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Will Ljubo defend Vienna or will Gonzalez take the title?

Action Jackson
10-14-2006, 03:55 PM
Ljubo vs Feña

2006 ATP Masters Series Canada R16 Gonzalez 6-4 6-7(4) 7-6(3)
2006 World Team Championship Dusseldorf, Clay RR Ljubicic 7-5 6-7(4) 6-4
2006 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo Q Gonzalez 7-5 6-1
2005 ATP Masters Series Madrid Hard Q Ljubicic 4-6 7-6(2) 6-4
2005 Vienna Hard Q Ljubicic 6-3 7-5
1999 Washington DC, Hard R64 Gonzalez 1-6 6-3 6-4

They are tied at 3-3

These two have some good matches and they seem to get along quite well and Ljubo has defeated Gonzo here before and can he defend his title or will Gonzalez get him this time.

krakenzero
10-14-2006, 03:59 PM
Good match, but I think Ljubo will win. He seems unstoppable in Viena, and Gonzo won't have a lot of time to rest (he had a rally against Roddick, and still has to play doubles semis partnering Calleri). But I want GUNzalez to win this one.

P.S: best of 5 sets, right?

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2006, 04:00 PM
Best of five? Ljubo for sure.

Jimnik
10-14-2006, 04:00 PM
Gonzalez was awesome today. I hope he keeps it up for tomorrow.

Action Jackson
10-14-2006, 04:01 PM
Yes, it's a best of 5 final in Vienna. It's good to see the players are evenly matched and it doesn't matter to me who wins, though Gonzalez needs the points more.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2006, 04:04 PM
Gonzalez needs to develop a backhand.

*Viva Chile*
10-14-2006, 04:07 PM
Gonzalez needs to develop a backhand.

You need to see the match of today and have to eat your own words ;)

Action Jackson
10-14-2006, 04:09 PM
Gonzalez needs to develop a backhand.

His backhand is a lot better than it was, he has improved as a player. I mean Ljubo is going to be peppering it on serve, but these guys know each other quite well and the question is how well Gonzo returns and if he does return well whether he can break down Ljubo's forehand.

krakenzero
10-14-2006, 04:10 PM
Gonzalez's backhand has been quite good in the last matches against Roddick and Nalbandian. It's not a tasteless slice anymore... he gets a lot of winners with that shot nowadays.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-14-2006, 04:10 PM
I hope Fena will win more,because he has a much tougher draw and he hasn't won a title this year.We all know Ivan is not good enough in final...
It should be a tight match! :)

El Legenda
10-14-2006, 04:10 PM
Ivan is 9-0 in Vienna...10-0 after tomorrow....he's been playing great this week...0 breaks...he's also been returing great

its a shame roddick is a p*ssy and didnt make it to the final :)

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2006, 04:11 PM
His backhand is a lot better than it was, he has improved as a player. I mean Ljubo is going to be peppering it on serve, but these guys know each other quite well and the question is how well Gonzo returns and if he does return well whether he can break down Ljubo's forehand.

I watched all the match in the US, the last one between them, when Ljubicic lost. It was a long time since I watched him playing so awfully. As he's playing much better now, I can't see him losing.

Horatio Caine
10-14-2006, 04:13 PM
I would like to see Gonzo take it...pity I can't watch it. I'd love to see the match :sobbing:

Action Jackson
10-14-2006, 04:14 PM
I watched all the match in the US, the last one between them, when Ljubicic lost. It was a long time since I watched him playing so awfully. As he's playing much better now, I can't see him losing.

Vienna is a good surface for Ljubo, it's about the right speed for him as he is not someone who has compact swings on his groundstrokes, so it gives him enough time in the rallies, but not so slow it negates his serve.

Ljubo is the fave here and that is not such a bold statement, but he will want to win it before it gets to a 5th set.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2006, 04:14 PM
You need to see the match of today and have to eat your own words ;)

He became Guga now? or Gaudio, for that matter?

Roddick hits so many forehands when he should hit simple backhands that anyone can make winners like that.

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2006, 04:16 PM
Vienna is a good surface for Ljubo, it's about the right speed for him as he is not someone who has compact swings on his groundstrokes, so it gives him enough time in the rallies, but not so slow it negates his serve.

Ljubo is the fave here and that is not such a bold statement, but he will want to win it before it gets to a 5th set.

Probably, but it's not like he's Blake or something... :p

doris_hdz
10-14-2006, 04:17 PM
Feña in 2!!!!!

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2006, 04:20 PM
Feña in 2!!!!!

Hey, it's a best-of-five sets match.

Deathless Mortal
10-14-2006, 04:21 PM
Ljubo did not lose his serve or set in Vienna in two years!!! He'll beat Gonzo in three!!!:cool:

*Viva Chile*
10-14-2006, 04:22 PM
He became Guga now? or Gaudio, for that matter?

Roddick hits so many forehands when he should hit simple backhands that anyone can make winners like that.

I'm not saying that, I say that he is improving a lot, he hit a lot of winners from this side today ;) ... Roddick is improving his worst shot that is the backhand too.

DrJules
10-14-2006, 04:22 PM
Vienna is a good surface for Ljubo, it's about the right speed for him as he is not someone who has compact swings on his groundstrokes, so it gives him enough time in the rallies, but not so slow it negates his serve.

Ljubo is the fave here and that is not such a bold statement, but he will want to win it before it gets to a 5th set.

Both player will want to avoid a 5th set. A long 5 set match would ruin both players chances in Madrid next week.

doris_hdz
10-14-2006, 04:24 PM
feña in 3...:angel:

Action Jackson
10-14-2006, 04:24 PM
Both player will want to avoid a 5th set. A long 5 set match would ruin both players chances in Madrid next week.

They wouldn't start until Wednesday anyway with the Bye.

Action Jackson
10-14-2006, 04:32 PM
From Inside tennis about the match,

"We practise almost every day together here; we know each other so well. I know exactly what he's going to do, he knows exactly what I'm going to do; the winner is going to be the one that does that better. His forehand is fantastic, his defense is great. If I can make more points than him, I will win. But I don't think it's going to be a short one."

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2006, 04:34 PM
From Inside tennis about the match,

"We practise almost every day together here; we know each other so well. I know exactly what he's going to do, he knows exactly what I'm going to do; the winner is going to be the one that does that better. His forehand is fantastic, his defense is great. If I can make more points than him, I will win. But I don't think it's going to be a short one."

That genious thinking proves that thread in non-tennis: men are more intelligent... :lol:

+alonso
10-14-2006, 04:40 PM
Gonzalez needs to develop a backhand.

Ha ha! Another funny joke! :p

Nah, It's obvious you didn't watch the 1st set against Roddick [Well, He got more BH winner in the match as well, not just in the 1st set] or the match against Nalbo

It's OBVIOUS as well that Feña's best shot isn't his BH but, Hey, He can do some damage with that shot! esp. one-handed BH!

and it's OBVIOUS too :rolls: That's He's not a Gaudio or so, nobody said that

GlennMirnyi
10-14-2006, 04:41 PM
Ha ha! Another funny joke! :p

Nah, It's obvious you didn't watch the 1st set against Roddick [Well, He got more BH winner in the match as well, not just in the 1st set] or the match against Nalbo

It's OBVIOUS as well that Feña's best shot isn't his BH but, Hey, He can do some damage with that shot! esp. one-handed BH!

and it's OBVIOUS too :rolls: That's He's not a Gaudio or so, nobody said that

I hope you watch Ljubicic tomorrow. Then you'll know what is a backhand.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-14-2006, 04:42 PM
hard to see feña win over the INDOOR KING

but good luck gonzo, at least you're not more "Mr. Semifinalist"

GO GONZO GO!!!!!!

+alonso
10-14-2006, 04:42 PM
Ljubicic has the best shot, although Feña isn't useless!
anyway Feña needs to play at his peak to get the win

Best of luck to Feña, and a little of that to Ljubo this time ;)

+alonso
10-14-2006, 04:43 PM
I hope you watch Ljubicic tomorrow. Then you'll know what is a backhand.

Oh yeah, I've never seen a BH in my life!


:yawn:

FelipeMIA89
10-14-2006, 04:43 PM
GONZO and calleri are not playing there doubles semi-final match.. I'm guessing wants to rest as much as he can for tomorrow.. VAMOS GONZO! TAKE THE TITLE!

tennismaster882001
10-14-2006, 06:52 PM
This should be another great match between these two! Last one was fantastic! Good luck Ivan!

tangerine_dream
10-14-2006, 09:29 PM
It's Gonzo Time. Go Gonzo! :rocker:

its a shame roddick is a p*ssy and didnt make it to the final :)
It's a shame Ljubo got his balls kicked in 3-and-1 by Blake in Thailand isn't it? Can he feel them again yet? :D

ShimSham
10-14-2006, 09:53 PM
I want Gonzo to win. If he continues to play like he did against Roddick, he has a chance. Good Luck Gonzo!

El Legenda
10-14-2006, 11:00 PM
It's Gonzo Time. Go Gonzo! :rocker:


It's a shame Ljubo got his balls kicked in 3-and-1 by Blake in Thailand isn't it? Can he feel them again yet? :D

Blake didnt beat Ljubicic 3-1 in Thailand














Ljubicic beat himself
:wavey:

Roddick still cant find his balls from Davis Cup...all the way to March 2005 :)

revolution
10-14-2006, 11:04 PM
Gonzo can certainly win, but depends on his state of mind.

Chileno
10-14-2006, 11:33 PM
Hope its a cracking match and that Gonzo wins it, you have enough points Ljubo!!!

Sparko1030
10-15-2006, 01:04 AM
With all due respect for Ivan.....


VAMOOOOSSSSS FERNANDO!!!!!!

Fena in 4, but it should be another tough, closely contested match by two great competetors . :yeah:

Rogiman
10-15-2006, 01:20 AM
Fena is a good player, but his shameful results at the Slams this year mean he doesn't deserve to contend for a TMC spot, therefore I hope Ivan tears him a new one.
(but I voted Fena in 5)

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 01:26 AM
Blake didnt beat Ljubicic 3-1 in Thailand














Ljubicic beat himself
:wavey:

Roddick still cant find his balls from Davis Cup...all the way to March 2005 :)

apparently he found the balls to make a slam final and take a set off of Fed, while Ljubo was busy losing 3,3,3 to Lopez in the first round :wavey:

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 01:26 AM
If Ivan does not win...i will never post







in the Challengers sections

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 01:27 AM
apparently he found the balls to make a slam final and take a set off of Fed, while Ljubo was busy losing 3,3,3 to Lopez in the first round :wavey:

Ljubo didnt lose to Lopez









the shitty tennis balls lost to Lopez.

Rogiman
10-15-2006, 01:30 AM
apparently he found the balls to make a slam final and take a set off of Fed, while Ljubo was busy losing 3,3,3 to Lopez in the first round :wavey:And he should be reminded of that defeat every day for the rest of his career :o

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 01:31 AM
And he should be reminded of that loss every day for the rest of his career :o

o yes, thats my point exactly. nothing gets by you Rogiman :rolleyes:

Rogiman
10-15-2006, 01:32 AM
o yes, thats my point exactly. nothing gets by you Rogiman :rolleyes:Actually I wasn't being sarcastic here...

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 01:35 AM
BAN BLAZE :lol:



im killing time before i go out :drink:
apperently in college no one goes out until 10pm-11pm :confused:

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 01:36 AM
Actually I wasn't being sarcastic here...

ok, so u think he SHOULD be remembered for the loss forever :p

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 01:37 AM
BAN BLAZE :lol:



im killing time before i go out :drink:
apperently in college no one goes out until 10pm-11pm :confused:

neither of us want the other banned. who would we BS with? :awww:

Rogiman
10-15-2006, 01:39 AM
ok, so u think he SHOULD be remembered for the loss forever :p
That was such a pathetic defeat that even if he won the calender-year GS afterwards he should be told: "alright, but you still lost that match to Lalo, 3, 3 and 3" :o

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 01:40 AM
neither of us want the other banned. who would we BS with? :awww:

:hug: well i have had few warm up beers :tears: :p

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 01:40 AM
That was such a pathetic defeat that even if he won the calender-year GS afterwards he should be told: "alright, but you still lost that match to Lalo, 3, 3 and 3" :o

first off, hes not winning even ONE slam :p

2nd, that wasnt even my argument. I just pointed out one of his isolated losses to counter JS's argument of one of Roddick's isolated losses

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 01:42 AM
:hug: well i have had few warm up beers :tears: :p

:drink: :drink:

Rogiman
10-15-2006, 01:48 AM
first off, hes not winning even ONE slam :p

2nd, that wasnt even my argument. I just pointed out one of his isolated losses to counter JS's argument of one of Roddick's isolated losses
Ljubo himself knows he's not winning a Slam...

And the only Roddick match of similar wretchedness I remember was his 2004 TMC SF 6:3 6:2 defeat in the hands of Hewitt where he couldn't hit a ball to save his life - and Lalo ain't Hewitt, with all due respect :o

bad gambler
10-15-2006, 01:57 AM
I watched their match in Toronto and there was nothing in it. Expect the same tomorrow.

I'll say Ljubicic in 4

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 02:07 AM
I watched their match in Toronto and there was nothing in it. Expect the same tomorrow.

I'll say Ljubicic in 4

come on Prabu, this is bashing here, how dare you bring the thread back on topic :lol:

*Viva Chile*
10-15-2006, 02:08 AM
Fena is a good player, but his shameful results at the Slams this year mean he doesn't deserve to contend for a TMC spot, therefore I hope Ivan tears him a new one.
(but I voted Fena in 5)

Yeah, he was poor at the slams this year, but he is only of few players who can say: "I reach 3 TMS semifinals and 1 TMS QF" (and counting...)

Pfloyd
10-15-2006, 02:25 AM
I believe there will be nothing separating these two, but I have a feeling that Gonzo will win this match in 4 or 5. This match may have two tiebreaks or more, thats if they both bring there "A" game tommorow.

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2006, 02:38 AM
What's the big deal in gettin' to SF and/or F?

What matters are titles.

*Viva Chile*
10-15-2006, 02:53 AM
What's the big deal in gettin' to SF and/or F?

What matters are titles.

Of course, Ljubo have a lot of TMS titles :lol:

(nothing against Ljubo, generally I support him :angel: )

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2006, 02:59 AM
Of course, Ljubo have a lot of TMS titles :lol:

(nothing against Ljubo, generally I support him :angel: )

It's not about Ljubo. It's just that in the long run people won't remember that, so it's worth little more than nothing.

bavaria100
10-15-2006, 02:59 AM
I still remember their match in Cincy this year. Gonzo played a huge match while Ivan played one of his worst matches of the year and still, Gonzo needed a third set tiebreak to win it. Ivan has been looking great so far this week and won his matches quite comfortable. That's why I think that Ivan will win in 4 tight sets.

Apemant
10-15-2006, 08:32 AM
It's not about Ljubo. It's just that in the long run people won't remember that, so it's worth little more than nothing.

Strongly disagree. Remembrance is overrated. When you hear the name 'Ellsworth Vines' do you get all warm and fuzzy? Personally, I don't feel jack, even though it's not 15 years since he died. The same will hold for Federer a hundred years later, when he's long dead. He will be a two-digit number buried in some annals of 21st century tennis achievements.

The only thing that matters is now, and in that perspective, TMS SF has a value. Much less than TMS title, of course, but it does have merits anyway.

Apemant
10-15-2006, 08:40 AM
As for the final, with all due respect to Gonzo, I think the result will depend mostly on Ivan's serve. When Ivan is serving well, even Federer has much trouble breaking him. But on the other hand, if he doesn't serve well, I will not be surprised if Gonzo takes this like 3,3,3. If Lopez can do that, I don't see why Gonzo couldn't.

Hmm, actually I do, Lopez has that nasty lefty serve, and Luby is known to be a poor returner of well placed fast serves...

jogoss_78
10-15-2006, 10:57 AM
I'm afraid Ljubo will win, unfortunately

its.like.that
10-15-2006, 11:15 AM
Hey, it's a best-of-five sets match.

So what?

Ljubicic could retired after 2 sets, this is not out of the realm of possibilities.

its.like.that
10-15-2006, 11:20 AM
That genious thinking proves that thread in non-tennis: men are more intelligent... :lol:

English is not his first language, and that is not what he meant.

its.like.that
10-15-2006, 11:24 AM
Blake didnt beat Ljubicic 3-1 in Thailand

Ljubicic beat himself
:wavey:

Roddick still cant find his balls from Davis Cup...all the way to March 2005 :)

What a fantastic excuse - he beat himself.

And I guess he beat himself against Lalo at the US Open too. :lol:

its.like.that
10-15-2006, 11:32 AM
It's not about Ljubo. It's just that in the long run people won't remember that, so it's worth little more than nothing.

Why do you care what other people will remember?

:confused: