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Just Cause
09-08-2006, 11:55 PM
I believe so. Wow, that will certainly be nice for him to achieve that at such a young age. While I hope Roger can break his record for having the longest consecutive weeks as #1, and this will create exciting rivalry.

All_Slam_Andre
09-09-2006, 12:00 AM
I think that Federer is guaranteed to break Jimmy Connor's consecutive week record. For the me the earliest that Nadal will be able to claim top spot is after Miami.

scoobs
09-09-2006, 12:06 AM
Stastically he can, realistically it's looking unlikely.

Just Cause
09-09-2006, 12:34 AM
It will certainly make a cinderella story wouldnt it. But stranger things have happened to #1 ranking, so we will see how that plays out.

atheneglaukopis
09-09-2006, 01:09 AM
Yeah, but how badly would Federer have to lose in these events?

NYCtennisfan
09-09-2006, 01:10 AM
Mathematically, yes, but more than just these two events would have to happen. If Federer is the runner-up in these two events, he would still have a big lead on Nadal. And this doesn't even consider the MS events in Paris and Madrid.

atpSUPERMAN
09-09-2006, 01:20 AM
Might take another half a year or a year for Nadal to get the number1 ranking since when Federer doesn't win he tends to still make the Final which doesn't lose him too many points. I can see Nadal beating Federer at all the slams next year but Federer would still reach the final so Nadal wouldn't get that much more than Federer. Nadal should focus on winning Wimbledon. Beating Federer at Wimbledon will really secure Nadal's ownership of Federer regardless of ranking.

kronus12
09-09-2006, 01:25 AM
He might do it but the way his playing not too sure about that and seeing he's recent results you still have the balls to say he will beat fed in the slams nice joke.

victory1
09-09-2006, 01:51 AM
Might take another half a year or a year for Nadal to get the number1 ranking since when Federer doesn't win he tends to still make the Final which doesn't lose him too many points. I can see Nadal beating Federer at all the slams next year but Federer would still reach the final so Nadal wouldn't get that much more than Federer. Nadal should focus on winning Wimbledon. Beating Federer at Wimbledon will really secure Nadal's ownership of Federer regardless of ranking.

For that to happen, Nadal would have to pray to the gods for a joke draw again! :p I can guarantee you that Nadal will not make the Wimbledon final next year (you heard it hear 1st)!!! ;)

atpSUPERMAN
09-09-2006, 01:53 AM
Nadal is very close to matching Federer on grass. Watch the Wimbledon Final again and you will see how close he was. If he can do that to Federer I doubt anyone else will trouble him on grass. He wins on grass the way Hewitt does, only better.

LCeh
09-09-2006, 01:54 AM
Nadal is very close to matching Federer on grass. Watch the Wimbledon Final again and you will see how close he was. If he can do that to Federer I doubt anyone else will trouble him on grass. He wins on grass the way Hewitt does, only better.

Nadal has also beaten Roger on hardcourts 2 out of 3 times, yet he hasn't reached a final during this hardcourt season.

Jlee
09-09-2006, 02:04 AM
Nadal has too much trouble with actually getting to the final on most surfaces to consider him likely to overtake it any time soon, in my opinion. Even if he does start doing it, Roger's not going to lose every match between the two of them. He might even lose the Rafa complex soon which would make this discussion useless.

spencercarlos
09-09-2006, 02:31 AM
Nadal is very close to matching Federer on grass. Watch the Wimbledon Final again and you will see how close he was. If he can do that to Federer I doubt anyone else will trouble him on grass. He wins on grass the way Hewitt does, only better.
is that a joke or what?
You forget that Federer won the first set 6-0 and was 5-1 in the 4th set before finishing it 6-3. The set Nadal won he played an amazing and almost unrepeatable set with 20 winners to just 3 unforced errors and still got the set in a tiebreak, you go figure.
Federer on his part did not exactly played outstanding tennis, he was a little above on the winners/errors category and played well enough to take his nemesis out.

And no Nadal does not (has not won yet) win anything important on grass to compare him to Hewit. Hewit has a fair share of titles on grass (like 4) and include a Wimbledon title to that. Nadal is not close to Hewit on grass... just yet..

Bagelicious
09-09-2006, 02:48 AM
One, two, three, four,
Who's the newest GM whore?
His name is Just,
His name is true,
With more threads
than even you!
One, two, three, four,
Please Just Cause,
Start no more!

Just Cause
09-09-2006, 02:51 AM
One, two, three, four,
Who's the newest GM whore?
His name is Just,
His name is true,
With more threads
than even you!
One, two, three, four,
Please Just Cause,
Start no more!
Is this a payback for the red dot I gave u when you try to make mean comments on Nadal on another thread? Too funny.

I think it's only matter of months before Nadal does so.

Bagelicious
09-09-2006, 03:01 AM
Is this a payback for the red dot I gave u when you try to make mean comments on Nadal on another thread? Too funny.

I think it's only matter of months before Nadal does so.

The poem is about the fact that you've managed to start 4 threads in a matter of hours on this forum, a couple of which aren't exactly stellar.

You're new here, so your rep wasn't red. If I wanted to retaliate, I'd just send you a red dot for being yet another naive newbie making controversial assertions.

I'm not sure which mean comments you are talking about, I actually happen to like Nadal, just not his 15 year old teeny-bopping fans who have no perspective on how hard it is to actually achieve what he's done.

Especially if you're the type of fan who writes this gem of a post:

One thing is for sure.....Roger's talent wasnt realized then, he could have won Wimbledon when he beat Pete in 2001 in a werido Wimbledon won by some WC player from Europe, but he didnt. He never did realize his true potential, but that's beside the point. (cuz we all know how much talent Roddick has).

But we are talking about Nadal and Sampras here, I mean Michael Chang has all the talent in the world but he never did realize it soon enough.

Michael Chang IS and likely going to be the BEST #2 PLAYER IN HISTORY.

Just Cause
09-09-2006, 03:05 AM
Dont lie, I already gave you the first dot, and just check your User CP.
But I'm tired, and I dont intend to have much conversation with you as I simply dont like you.
Anyways, Nadal can still become #1 and people please dont lose faith in him.

Jaffas85
09-09-2006, 03:07 AM
If Nadal wins TMC, Australian Open, at least makes the Indian Wells final then wins Miami as well as making sure he defends all of his current points leading to them he should become #1.

Bagelicious
09-09-2006, 03:07 AM
Dont lie, I already gave you the first dot, and just check your User CP.
But I'm tired, and I dont intend to have much conversation with you as I simply dont like you.
Anyways, Nadal can still become #1 and people please dont lose faith in him.

:rolleyes: It was neutral, because you have to write a certain # of posts before you can give red ones.

Himura
09-09-2006, 03:09 AM
If Safin wins the two remaining TMS and wins AO, FO and Wimbledeon he will most likely be nr 1.

Just Cause
09-09-2006, 03:10 AM
Then you know which post I was talking about. Dont be a hypocrit when you start badmouthing players. I have not made one comment demeaning tennis players and I dont know what you want to do with my posts, I can tell you it is not working.

Bagelicious
09-09-2006, 03:55 AM
Then you know which post I was talking about. Dont be a hypocrit when you start badmouthing players. I have not made one comment demeaning tennis players and I dont know what you want to do with my posts, I can tell you it is not working.


Wait... you actually thought my post on why Davydenko isn't more liked was mean? Are you kidding me? That's what you're complaining about? The poster asked a question about why people in general don't seem to be drawn to Davydenko and I answered it.

Apart from the fact that it's neutral and you can't really tell if I like Davydenko or not (which I do) your comprehension skills are clearly lacking if you thought that was in any way derogatory.

helen phillips
09-09-2006, 04:17 AM
He might also sprout wings and fly but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for either of these things to happen. You on the other hand should feel free to start anytime.

Just Cause
09-09-2006, 04:25 AM
:). Well, one can always hope of course. Didnt Roddick however wint he first event that none of the top duo joins in the final when both played since like forever. So Roger is not as invinsible as he is. It will certainly make great drama though.

I love to see another ranking contest as I truly enjoyed the previosu one with Agassi and Hewitt.

atheneglaukopis
09-09-2006, 04:48 AM
So Roger is not as invisible as he is.The only reasonable way to interpret this sentence as written (likely not as intended) is that Roger is not as invisible as Andy. Posted during the US Open, this is surely fraught with irony.

Jaffas85
09-09-2006, 06:23 AM
It's prolly more likely that Nadal will never reach #1 and that by the time Federer starts to decline slightly or has some sort of injury Gasquet will have prolly have his game together by then to assume the #1 position *in about 2008!*.

Just Cause
09-13-2006, 09:34 PM
Nadal has improved on all surfaces...and has improved his slams records comparing to 2005.
How do you like his chance against Federer in TMC?

~*BGT*~
09-13-2006, 09:42 PM
I'm not sure. I just hope we get those Nalbandian and Roddick matches.

Clara Bow
09-13-2006, 09:59 PM
My answer for this moment in time is a big fat no. :)

But in the future, if, and and that is a big if, Nadal can improve- perhaps.

revolution
09-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Will Just Cause ever stop starting stupid threads and polls to obtain more vcash?

DrJules
09-13-2006, 10:20 PM
There is a lot of competition to improve seeding in arse clown contest.

Just Cause
09-13-2006, 10:34 PM
Will Just Cause ever stop starting stupid threads and polls to obtain more vcash?
Can you shut your mouth and get a man..

stebs
09-13-2006, 10:40 PM
Can you shut your mouth and get a man..
Stop starting threads. You've started 14 in 5 days. :rolleyes:

Just Cause
09-13-2006, 10:43 PM
Stop starting threads. You've started 14 in 5 days. :rolleyes:
1. Define stupid, I define it as doing things that are pretty much meaningless,
e.g. JXneutron's among others.

2. Is there a rule that I can only make threads daily? But I think there should be a rule on how many abusive/stupid posts one can make in a day.

All_Slam_Andre
09-13-2006, 10:47 PM
This isn't a stupid thread at all, it is a relevant one. There is so little tennis played on carpet nowadays that is it hard to tell what Rafa will do. He has scheduled two tournaments on carpet, Basel and Paris, but I doubt he'll play in both if he goes deep in Madrid as expected. I don't think he'll become a threat on carpet for at least another few years. He simply won't play enough on it to improve as quickly as he would like. Remember that as well as Federer, Nalbandian and Ljubicic absolutely love this surface and they are probably bigger threats to Federer then Rafa is at the moment.

stebs
09-13-2006, 10:52 PM
1. Define stupid, I define it as doing things that are pretty much meaningless,
e.g. JXneutron's among others.

2. Is there a rule that I can only make threads daily? But I think there should be a rule on how many abusive/stupid posts one can make in a day.
I said stop starting threads. I wasn't being abusive but your posts are losing credibility and fast. There is no rule about how many threads you can make but it would be better if you asked this question inside one of the many other threads you have started on similar issues. ;)

Just Cause
09-13-2006, 10:54 PM
I said stop starting threads. I wasn't being abusive but your posts are losing credibility and fast. There is no rule about how many threads you can make but it would be better if you asked this question inside one of the many other threads you have started on similar issues. ;)
lol...LOL... :wavey:

stebs
09-13-2006, 11:01 PM
lol...LOL... :wavey:
Yes. lol. :rolleyes: Every thread you start people are telling you to stop starting threads. Are you really not smart enough to get the very simple message?

prima donna
09-13-2006, 11:27 PM
Nadal is overrated.

Naranoc
09-13-2006, 11:27 PM
...

:rolleyes:

Dusk Soldier
09-14-2006, 01:24 AM
I vote neither because Federer is not playing any more matches until the TMC

TennisGrandSlam
09-14-2006, 04:14 AM
NO, Heavy Top Spin is UNUSEFUL in both Grass and Carpet! :wavey:

Pfloyd
09-14-2006, 04:25 AM
Heh, I woudnt be suprised if Nadal beats him. He took a set off him in Wimbledon, and was close to winning the 2nd set, which if he had won, the match would have been diffrent.

GlennMirnyi
09-14-2006, 05:04 AM
Heh, I woudnt be suprised if Nadal beats him. He took a set off him in Wimbledon, and was close to winning the 2nd set, which if he had won, the match would have been diffrent.

Yeeeeeeeeah, so you forgot the bagel and the last set, that was supposed to be a 6/1 thrash-out.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-14-2006, 05:45 AM
Nadal is not afraid of Fed.

Therefore, he is a threat to Federer even on an ice court (really fast, no) :D

jacobhiggins
09-14-2006, 05:48 AM
He's a threat to Federer on every surface, but just because he's a threat doesn't mean he will win.

Look what happend this year, Federer is still the king!!!

Egag
09-14-2006, 07:44 AM
is federer not playing Madrid or Paris?

I think Nadal wont do to well on the carpet.....but did he play on it this year at Marseile? or was that Indoor Hard?

Neverstopfightin
09-14-2006, 08:14 AM
Didn't you know TMC isn't on carpet this year ??

abhinav_shaan
09-14-2006, 08:50 AM
well, atptennis.com says on the calender page tht it's carpet...
what's ur source

TennisGrandSlam
09-14-2006, 08:51 AM
Nadal is not afraid of Fed.

Therefore, he is a threat to Federer even on an ice court (really fast, no) :D

:rolleyes:

Ice surface :o

Rafa will slip down first :p

Neverstopfightin
09-14-2006, 09:35 AM
well, atptennis.com says on the calender page tht it's carpet...
what's ur source

Calendar page is known by his lack of updating .

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=3940989&postcount=2

oz_boz
09-14-2006, 09:46 AM
Didn't you know TMC isn't on carpet this year ??

Why am I not surprised?

The diversity of tennis court conditions seem to follow the same pattern as the parties in the Swedish parliament: everything is moving to the middle.

All_Slam_Andre
09-14-2006, 10:45 AM
Basel and Paris are the only tournamnents on carpet which Federer and Nadal have scheduled. Madrid is on a hard court and the Masters Cup is on rebound ace. Nadal is scheduled to play 4 weeks in a row from Stockholm (hard-court) to Paris. Obviously Madrid will be his biggest priority before Shanghai. I expect him to play Stockholm as a warm-up for Madrid, then play in Madrid and go deep there before pulling out of Basel. Possibly he might play in Paris. Federer's main priority before Shanghai has got to be Basel so I think he'll use Madrid as a Basel warm-up, then play in Basel before withdrawing from Paris. Of course this is assuming both remain injury free. I would be very surprised if Federer and Nadal actually faced each on carpet this year.

bokehlicious
09-14-2006, 12:11 PM
Heh, I woudnt be suprised if Nadal beats him. He took a set off him in Wimbledon, and was close to winning the 2nd set, which if he had won, the match would have been diffrent.

:lol: "What ifs" :rolleyes:

Yeah, if Roger kept focused in RG finals he'd have blown Rafa off the court as well (and on his favorite surface) :wavey:

gillian
09-14-2006, 02:34 PM
Basel and Paris are the only tournamnents on carpet which Federer and Nadal have scheduled. Madrid is on a hard court and the Masters Cup is on rebound ace.

I just checked the ATP site and it said Madrid is played on "greenset." Is that a type of hard court surface (I know I am showing my ignorance of court surface.).

Jaffas85
09-14-2006, 02:46 PM
The Tennis Masters Cup will be played on a surface similar to the Australian Open so I would think that a Nadal-Federer final would be pretty likely and could go either way.

I read they're changing it to Rebound Ace cause some players complained how last year was too quick and now with Rebound Ace organisers are saying it's neither too fast nor too slow so its sort of a "middle ground" for the players.

BTW, The winner collects 650 points and the runner up 500 right?

Just little bit more than a Masters Event and a little less than a Grand Slam tournament.

All_Slam_Andre
09-14-2006, 02:46 PM
I just checked the ATP site and it said Madrid is played on "greenset." Is that a type of hard court surface (I know I am showing my ignorance of court surface.).

I'm not 100% sure but I think that greenset is a semi-cushioned hard court.

TennisGrandSlam
09-14-2006, 03:53 PM
The Tennis Masters Cup will be played on a surface similar to the Australian Open so I would think that a Nadal-Federer final would be pretty likely and could go either way.

I read they're changing it to Rebound Ace cause some players complained how last year was too quick and now with Rebound Ace organisers are saying it's neither too fast nor too slow so its sort of a "middle ground" for the players.

BTW, The winner collects 650 points and the runner up 500 right?

Just little bit more than a Masters Event and a little less than a Grand Slam tournament.


Surface of TMC in Shanghai should be Indoor Carpet.

PamV
09-15-2006, 01:48 AM
He won't be a threat if Youzhny, Blake, Roddick Hewitt, Gasquet, or Safin gets to him first.

PamV
09-15-2006, 01:53 AM
Surface of TMC in Shanghai should be Indoor Carpet.

The surface is Indoor/Taraflex and it was said to be rather sticky.....making players fall.

PamV
09-15-2006, 01:55 AM
Didn't you know TMC isn't on carpet this year ??
Did they change the surface from last year?

GlennMirnyi
09-15-2006, 02:14 AM
It's absurd, they do everything to the moonballers advantage. Just when the courts were in a decent speed they change it.

Just Cause
10-12-2006, 05:00 PM
And become probably the youngest TMC winner since Pete won his in 1991.
I know it is not on clay, but still, I really like his chance since he performs so well year around and has held #2 for God know how long. He is more deserving of the title than Nalbandian. What do you think?

Filipo
10-12-2006, 05:03 PM
what the hell r u talking ???

Nadal is in deep crisis :confused:

Just Cause
10-12-2006, 05:03 PM
what the hell r u talking ???

Nadal is in deep crisis :confused:

Have some more faith, let's not forget that many wrote him off in Wimbledon.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 05:07 PM
He deserve more than Nalbandian??? What are you dealing with, son? That's some heavy stuff you're taking.
Nalbandian isn't a claycourter and moonballer. He does well in all surfaces and is much better technically than Nadal.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 05:08 PM
Have some more faith, let's not forget that many wrote him off in Wimbledon.

After the draw was made, almost everybody said he would go far. Who wouldn't?

Regenbogen
10-12-2006, 05:10 PM
No I definitely don't think so, unless he gets it together, fast

revolution
10-12-2006, 05:11 PM
After the draw was made, almost everybody said he would go far. Who wouldn't?

Kendrick's booming serve and hitting would have knocked off most.

Agassi a tough challenge always.

Labadze game tailor made for grass.

Nieminen top 20 player.

Baghdatis defeated Murray and Hewitt.

Not as easy as thought.

Just Cause
10-12-2006, 05:12 PM
He deserve more than Nalbandian??? What are you dealing with, son? That's some heavy stuff you're taking.
Nalbandian isn't a claycourter and moonballer. He does well in all surfaces and is much better technically than Nadal.

Personally I believe that TMC should be a real reflection of what had happened in the Masters for the past year.
Last year both Federer and Nadal won 4 masters, therefore Nadal deserves it more. Nalbandian didnt win anything major before this win, had Nadal joined them, I think the outcome would have been different.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 05:15 PM
Kendrick's booming serve and hitting would have knocked off most.

Agassi a tough challenge always.

Labadze game tailor made for grass.

Nieminen top 20 player.

Baghdatis defeated Murray and Hewitt.

Not as easy as thought.

Kendrick - 200th something in the rankings. If he were really good would be better ranked.

Agassi on crutches. Wake up.

Labadze's game made for grass??? Is he a S&V player??? Stop with the :bs:

Nieminen has no clue on grass. Another defensive player.

Baghdatis defeated a Hewitt that we all know how is doing: awfully.

First good player he got gave him a bagel.

Just Cause
10-12-2006, 05:15 PM
After the draw was made, almost everybody said he would go far. Who wouldn't?
I know what you mean. He did have an easier draw since he avoided most of the rocker servers. However, BEFORE Wimbledon people wrote him off. We know that Federer and Nadal would not be in the same group. whatever happens next who knows, maybe Nadal will be grouped with Davydenko and Robreto, and then he will probably advance to the SF. After that he will be only two matches away from the win and who knows what would happen next.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 05:16 PM
Personally I believe that TMC should be a real reflection of what had happened in the Masters for the past year.
Last year both Federer and Nadal won 4 masters, therefore Nadal deserves it more. Nalbandian didnt win anything major before this win, had Nadal joined them, I think the outcome would have been different.

On carpet Nadal has no chance against non-moonballers. Nalbandian would give him a beating for sure.

revolution
10-12-2006, 05:17 PM
On carpet Nadal has no chance against non-moonballers. Nalbandian would give him a beating for sure.

No he wouldn't.

Tennis is about matchups and Nalby isn't a big serve-volleyer nor does he possess vicious groundies.

Just Cause
10-12-2006, 05:17 PM
On carpet Nadal has no chance against non-moonballers. Nalbandian would give him a beating for sure.

1. Shanghai is not played on fast carpet.
2. Nalbandian only plays well against Federer, that is why he never won masters with or without Federer playing in them.

revolution
10-12-2006, 05:18 PM
Kendrick - 200th something in the rankings. If he were really good would be better ranked.

Agassi on crutches. Wake up.

Labadze's game made for grass??? Is he a S&V player??? Stop with the :bs:

Nieminen has no clue on grass. Another defensive player.

Baghdatis defeated a Hewitt that we all know how is doing: awfully.

First good player he got gave him a bagel.

Why did Nieminen beat Tursunov whose supposed to be really good on grass then?

Ljubicic's RG run was easier than Nadal's Wimbledon run.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 05:30 PM
No he wouldn't.

Tennis is about matchups and Nalby isn't a big serve-volleyer nor does he possess vicious groundies.

Nalbandian has an intelligent game.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 05:31 PM
1. Shanghai is not played on fast carpet.
2. Nalbandian only plays well against Federer, that is why he never won masters with or without Federer playing in them.

You talked about last year, and last year it was on Taraflex.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 05:34 PM
Why did Nieminen beat Tursunov whose supposed to be really good on grass then?

Ljubicic's RG run was easier than Nadal's Wimbledon run.

Tursunov himself said that he didn't know why he's supposed to do well on grass. He's a baseliner.

Andre♥
10-12-2006, 05:35 PM
No, no and no.

Actually, if Nadal gets Nalbandian, Roddick and Blake, I can see him lose all three matches.

If he gets Ljubicic, Davydenko and Baghdatis, I can see him getting to the semis and then being beaten by Federer.

revolution
10-12-2006, 05:36 PM
Tursunov himself said that he didn't know why he's supposed to do well on grass. He's a baseliner.

A baseliner with a big serve and huge power.

Federer plays from the back usually- does that make him a baseliner who shouldn't win on grass?

Just Cause
10-12-2006, 05:37 PM
You talked about last year, and last year it was on Taraflex.
True, so this year Nalbandian wont be a problem for Nadal.
Last year, Nadal won Madrid which is played on carpet, the only other player to win carpet master than you know who. Had they played in the semifinal, who know who will win. Nalbandian tends not to do so well against non-Federer players.

revolution
10-12-2006, 05:39 PM
True, so this year Nalbandian wont be a problem for Nadal.
Last year, Nadal won Madrid which is played on carpet, the only other player to win carpet master than you know who. Had they played in the semifinal, who know who will win. Nalbandian tends not to do so well against non-Federer players.

Madrid is played on a hard indoor surface. It's not quite as fast as carpet, despite its altitude level.

Just Cause
10-12-2006, 05:39 PM
No, no and no.

Actually, if Nadal gets Nalbandian, Roddick and Blake, I can see him lose all three matches.

If he gets Ljubicic, Davydenko and Baghdatis, I can see him getting to the semis and then being beaten by Federer.
One could have said the same thing with Safin one day before Australian Open last year.

Just Cause
10-12-2006, 05:40 PM
Madrid is played on a hard indoor surface. It's not quite as fast as carpet, despite its altitude level.
True, well, it may not be the true Paris....but still it is the closest surface to TMC.
But you get the point, Nadal has never found fastcourt to be a problem.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 05:41 PM
True, so this year Nalbandian wont be a problem for Nadal.
Last year, Nadal won Madrid which is played on carpet, the only other player to win carpet master than you know who. Had they played in the semifinal, who know who will win. Nalbandian tends not to do so well against non-Federer players.

I'm not replying to you anymore. You obviously know nothing about tennis.
Go get some information, then come back if you want some discussion. And if you can't find it, here it goes: Madrid is played on HC.

Just Cause
10-12-2006, 05:43 PM
I'm not replying to you anymore. You obviously know nothing about tennis.
Go get some information, then come back if you want some discussion. And if you can't find it, here it goes: Madrid is played on HC.
I think I already made a point on that. That is okay, and thanks fo the input.
Nadal will not have a problem playing on fast surfaces.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 05:43 PM
True, well, it may not be the true Paris....but still it is the closest surface to TMC.
But you get the point, Nadal has never found fastcourt to be a problem.

Yeah. So he hasn't lost to Ferrero, Youzhny, Berdych and now to a semi-retired Joachim Johansson on semi-fast courts. Oh well...

t0x
10-12-2006, 05:55 PM
A lot depends on who's in Rafa's group. Roddick & Blake are certainly capible of taking him out...

Out of interest, when was Nadal's last hardcourt top 10 win? I can't remember, but it must've been a while now...

revolution
10-12-2006, 05:56 PM
A lot depends on who's in Rafa's group. Roddick & Blake are certainly capible of taking him out...

Out of interest, when was Nadal's last hardcourt top 10 win? I can't remember, but it must've been a while now...

Dubai final.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 07:48 AM
Dubai final.
May I remind peoplé Nadal's perfect record against Federer?

Solid_Snake
10-13-2006, 07:51 AM
No, Federer will win the TMC.

Nadal won't make it out of RR.

prima donna
10-13-2006, 07:53 AM
Absolutely not.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 08:07 AM
Absolutely not.
Why? If Nadal can beat Federer like no one else, whynot have more faith.

prima donna
10-13-2006, 08:09 AM
May I remind peoplé Nadal's perfect record against Federer?

Federer has beaten him twice, what perfect record would we be speaking of exactly ?

Action Jackson
10-13-2006, 08:11 AM
No.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 08:15 AM
Federer has beaten him twice, what perfect record would we be speaking of exactly ?
Perfect I meant that no one else has beaten Federer 5 times as Nadal did making it "God"-like/perfect. Call me crazy, but I think Nadal is going to surprise many like he did in Wimbledon.

Jaffas85
10-13-2006, 08:23 AM
So it is confirmed that there will be a Rebound Ace surface used for the TMC?

FSRteam
10-13-2006, 09:54 AM
Personally I believe that TMC should be a real reflection of what had happened in the Masters for the past year.
Last year both Federer and Nadal won 4 masters, therefore Nadal deserves it more. Nalbandian didnt win anything major before this win, had Nadal joined them, I think the outcome would have been different.

Had he joined them, he would have been kicked out because of the surface!!! He stood no chance there last year!

FSRteam
10-13-2006, 10:00 AM
True, well, it may not be the true Paris....but still it is the closest surface to TMC.
But you get the point, Nadal has never found fastcourt to be a problem.

What the he.. are you talking about?!? :confused:

trickcy
10-13-2006, 11:17 AM
Of course Nadal won't find fastcourts a problem :rolleyes: ...

While he's a pretty good player on all the surfaces overall, I really don't think he's good on fastcourts... In my opinion, he's like a fish out of water. I'm sure he'll try his best in the TMC, and do reasonably well, but, nope, I don't see him winning it and becoming the youngest ever. It'll be interesting to see though.

Hendu
10-13-2006, 11:34 AM
Nalbandian has an intelligent game.

I just can't believe my eyes. :eek: ;)

Jimnik
10-13-2006, 11:53 AM
There is a reason every player at the TMC wants to be put in Nadal's group. If Blake and Roddick were to be drawn in the same group as Nadal, I think he wouldn't even make the semis.

▄︻┻┳═
10-13-2006, 12:25 PM
Why? If Nadal can beat Federer like no one else, whynot have more faith.

He's not gonna get the chance to meet with Roger

RogiFan88
10-13-2006, 02:48 PM
One could have said the same thing with Safin one day before Australian Open last year.

one can hardly compare any player to Maratski, who's in a category of his own :p Rafa and Maratski couldn't be any more opposite, both in their tennis and their personality :angel:

revolution
10-13-2006, 02:53 PM
Nadal would beat Baghdatis, Davydenko and Ljubicic but he would lose to Blake, and possibly Roddick too.

Depends on his draw.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 03:26 PM
one can hardly compare any player to Maratski, who's in a category of his own :p Rafa and Maratski couldn't be any more opposite, both in their tennis and their personality :angel:

Like the previous poster said, you never know about how the tennis god would make the draw. As for people who think that Nadal doesnt play well on fast courts. I am sure a lot of others wouldnt do as well in Wimbledon as he did.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 03:34 PM
I think people are underestimating Nadal's ability on fast surfaces even though he has proven he can do well on them. I wiill like to see how well he performs in China. I think his biggest problem is Federer. Others can be tough, but because he has proven to do well on fast surfaces, I believe he will have a easier time with some of the top guys than others make him out to be.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 03:48 PM
It's prolly more likely that Nadal will never reach #1 and that by the time Federer starts to decline slightly or has some sort of injury Gasquet will have prolly have his game together by then to assume the #1 position *in about 2008!*.
We will see, Sampress was "almost" invinsible, but when he showed cracks, people like Rafter would steal a week at #1 from him. Moya also made it to number one under Samprass reign.

Can Nadal win TMC? Yes he can. (Nalbadian beat Federer last year)
Can Nadal win Australian Open? Yes he can. (Safin beat Federer last year)
If others can beat Federer at these events, Nadal sure can too.

Hola Mr. SK
10-13-2006, 03:49 PM
Let's hope for a great final no matter who wins.

Clara Bow
10-13-2006, 03:50 PM
Others can be tough, but because he has proven to do well on fast surfaces,

He has not done well on fast hard court surfaces against big hitters such as Berdych and Blake. This is an area that he has to improve. I am still unclear as to what the surface will be in China, but I do think he will have a hard time against Blake and Roddick. I am not saying that it is a definate he will lose- but I would not be surprised. A good end to his year would be to beat big hitter players at TMC.

NYCtennisfan
10-13-2006, 04:01 PM
He might not become #1 even if he won the TMC and AO 2007. As of right now, Federer will have at a minimum about a 800 ranking points lead going into next season. The lead will be about 800 points IF Federer doesn't play at all again this year and Nadal wins Madrid/Basel/Paris/TMC (undefeated). More likely, the lead will be 2000+ going into next year. Federer's level will have to drastically fall if Nadal wants to become #1 early next year.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 04:01 PM
He has not done well on fast hard court surfaces against big hitters such as Berdych and Blake. This is an area that he has to improve. I am still unclear as to what the surface will be in China, but I do think he will have a hard time against Blake and Roddick. I am not saying that it is a definate he will lose- but I would not be surprised. A good end to his year would be to beat big hitter players at TMC.
That is true.

ATP Masters Series, 17-Oct-05, I, Hard , Draw: 48
R64 Bye, () N/A Stats
R32 Hanescu, Victor (ROM) 7-6(5) 6-3
R16 Robredo, Tommy (ESP) 6-2 6-4
Q Stepanek, Radek (CZE) 7-6(11) 6-4
S Ginepri, Robby (USA) 7-5 7-6(1)
W Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO) 3-6 2-6 6-3 6-4 7-6(3)

That was back when he hasnt improved on fast surfaces, this year he reached Wimbledon final. I agree. He should beat Ljubicic or Roddick maybe in the semifinal so that he can be more prepared to meet Federer in the final.

Hola Mr. SK
10-13-2006, 04:12 PM
On such fast courts he's not the best...so that's a huge IF! lol

nobama
10-13-2006, 04:27 PM
We talk about Nadal overtaking Roger but what about guys catching Nadal for the #2 spot? Maybe 2005 was a two man race, but 2006 is different. If Blake can win in Stockholm he'll have as many titles as Nadal. I think there are more guys in the mix this year than there were last year.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 04:31 PM
He might not become #1 even if he won the TMC and AO 2007. As of right now, Federer will have at a minimum about a 800 ranking points lead going into next season. The lead will be about 800 points IF Federer doesn't play at all again this year and Nadal wins Madrid/Basel/Paris/TMC (undefeated). More likely, the lead will be 2000+ going into next year. Federer's level will have to drastically fall if Nadal wants to become #1 early next year.

People are quite aware of that because taking over Federer would be a miracle for anyone except Nadal (in his case, just luck). How do you compete against a 7000 pt tennis god when you are a 4500 pt tennis king? Well, he just has to win the two indicator events before next February, otherwise he will not break the record as the youngest #1 player.

Winning TMC and AO will only put him "close" to Federer, but if he can be consistent and starts a perfect run like he had on clay (yes, it would be as difficult as taking over Federer!?), then he should be set to take down Goliath.

PamV
10-13-2006, 04:44 PM
We talk about Nadal overtaking Roger but what about guys catching Nadal for the #2 spot? Maybe 2005 was a two man race, but 2006 is different. If Blake can win in Stockholm he'll have as many titles as Nadal. I think there are more guys in the mix this year than there were last year.

Actually Ljubicic is closer in points to Nadal than Nadal is to Roger at the moment. It seems if Nadal draws Blake and Roddick in his TMC group that both of them could likely beat Nadal. It always depends on how the draw ends up.

radics
10-13-2006, 04:48 PM
Is this a payback for the red dot I gave u when you try to make mean comments on Nadal on another thread? Too funny.

I think it's only matter of months before Nadal does so.

You give someone red dotts if he says something "mean" against your favourites? Are you kidding me?

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 04:49 PM
You give someone red dotts if he says something "mean" against your favourites? Are you kidding me?
I dont, I only do that when I think someone wants to walk over Nadal's dead body.

Fed-Express
10-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Lol, seems as if in the face of Rafa's recent performance some of his fans are panicking. This is apparently the week of insane predictions, first that RFK clown and know JustCause. Well, time will tell, I am postitive that he will win either the TMC or AO!

LaTenista
10-13-2006, 04:54 PM
Considering Rafa has no points to defend after Madrid this year, I seriously doubt anyone could overtake his 2nd place in the race nor rankings. I mean, Rafa would have to lose all of his matches for the rest of the year and Ljubicic or Blake or Nalbandian would have to win at least 1 IS title as well as one of the 2 remaining TMSes - and seeing as they haven't been able to muster up 1 TMS title so far between the 3 of them I think that's a tall order.

Realistically, Fed is going to need to lose in the RR stage of TMC and before the final of AO (so someone or 2 guys besides Rafa needs to beat Fed) and Rafa needs to win TMC & AO for him to be the youngest No 1 ever.

I think a lot will depend on whether Fed can stay healthy - the last two years he's gotten injured at this time in the season.

I don't doubt Rafa will try his best and while I won't say it will be easy, I wouldn't put it past him to get it done. After all, he reached the final of Wimbledon when I never expected him to get that far.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 04:55 PM
It's absurd, they do everything to the moonballers advantage. Just when the courts were in a decent speed they change it.

Moonballs dont work on grass or in the semi-final of Wimbledon (contrary to popular opinions;)).

Fed-Express
10-13-2006, 05:00 PM
You should not make a statement like this in public. Otherwise adee-gee might decide in order to make Nadal No. 1 to execute the plan we know he has been hatching since hitchhiker's picture of the opening ceremony of the ac competition...

radics
10-13-2006, 05:01 PM
I dont, I only do that when I think someone wants to walk over Nadal's dead body.

Ok, that sounds sick but some people give you red dotts for aboslutly nothing.

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 05:04 PM
Ok, that sounds sick but some people give you red dotts for aboslutly nothing.

Yes, but unfortunately for them, I back whoever I want (Federer/Nadal/Roddick).

RogiFan88
10-13-2006, 05:07 PM
The only reasonable way to interpret this sentence as written (likely not as intended) is that Roger is not as invisible as Andy. Posted during the US Open, this is surely fraught with irony.

Was the person you're replying to saying INVISIBLE or trying to say INVINCIBLE? I'm confused... :p

tangerine_dream
10-13-2006, 05:19 PM
Will Just Cause ever stop starting stupid threads and polls to obtain more vcash?
:bigclap:

NO, Heavy Top Spin is UNUSEFUL in both Grass and Carpet! :wavey:
Hey Mr Annoying Big Red Letter Guy, What Did We Tell You About Abusing the IMG Code System!?! :mad:

GlennMirnyi
10-13-2006, 05:21 PM
Is Blake going to play in the TMC? Nadal isn't winning, then.

Exodus
10-13-2006, 05:24 PM
looking forward to see nadal losing in madrid next week

GlennMirnyi
10-13-2006, 05:27 PM
Moonballs dont work on grass or in the semi-final of Wimbledon (contrary to popular opinions;)).

When the other players are moonballers too, what can you say?

GlennMirnyi
10-13-2006, 06:10 PM
That is true.

ATP Masters Series, 17-Oct-05, I, Hard , Draw: 48
R64 Bye, () N/A Stats
R32 Hanescu, Victor (ROM) 7-6(5) 6-3
R16 Robredo, Tommy (ESP) 6-2 6-4
Q Stepanek, Radek (CZE) 7-6(11) 6-4
S Ginepri, Robby (USA) 7-5 7-6(1)
W Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO) 3-6 2-6 6-3 6-4 7-6(3)

That was back when he hasnt improved on fast surfaces, this year he reached Wimbledon final. I agree. He should beat Ljubicic or Roddick maybe in the semifinal so that he can be more prepared to meet Federer in the final.

He didn't improve in anything. Wake up. You fool no one with that talk. Look at that draw, for instance. Except from Ljubicic, all players there are jokes.
He has improved so much that now even semi-retired players beat him. In straights.

Guybrush
10-13-2006, 06:28 PM
Call me crazy, but I think Nadal is going to surprise many like he did in Wimbledon.

Yes, if he plays against Kendrick, Labadze & Nieminen in the RR, and against Baghdatis in the semifinal. :o

rofe
10-13-2006, 06:32 PM
Perfect I meant that no one else has beaten Federer 5 times as Nadal did making it "God"-like/perfect. Call me crazy, but I think Nadal is going to surprise many like he did in Wimbledon.

Hewitt at one point was 7-2 against Federer. So, Hewitt was God like perfect as well? What are you smoking? :rolleyes:

kronus12
10-13-2006, 10:53 PM
Just Cause i think you're getting desparate here Nadal has had a poor hardcourt season compare to last year. How can you predict he can win the TMS and beat roddick who in my opinion has had a great hc season and is on his way back, everyone on the board know's that nadal has a problem with the hard hitters, who hits the ball harder then roddick? and roddick is playing better then the first half of the year.
No if nadal does not win Madrid then i think he has no chance in winning the TMS. Let alone beat players like roddick and blake who will be looking forward to meeting him. And i don't think fed is shaking in his shoes watching nadal play lately, before i go Nadal does not have a perfect record against fed wake up perfect means 6 - 0 not 6 -2.

NYCtennisfan
10-13-2006, 11:19 PM
What if Nadal's group contains Roddick, Blake and Nalbandian? He could go 03 or 1-2 and not make it out of the RR. Then again, he could have Ivan, Davy and Robredo in his group.

Guybrush
10-13-2006, 11:49 PM
Then again, he could have Ivan, Davy and Robredo in his group.

Maybe he would be 2nd in this group...maybe...

Just Cause
10-13-2006, 11:52 PM
He didn't improve in anything. Wake up. You fool no one with that talk. Look at that draw, for instance. Except from Ljubicic, all players there are jokes.
He has improved so much that now even semi-retired players beat him. In straights.

Ginepri made US Open semifinal last year. His performance flunctuates from year to year. I dont most recognize that. What is with you and Nadal on HO. I think you are quite aware that not all of his master crowns came on clay. Writing him off on HO will be even worse than writing him off Wimbledon since his GRS pre-06 was definitely nowhere near his HO pre-06.

Just Cause
10-14-2006, 12:45 AM
When the other players are moonballers too, what can you say?
Same can be said about Federer's clay run, but I dont think we need to do that.
Yes, TMC will be played on hardcourt which Federer excels at. But he did get beaten on hardcourt quite a few times already. Getting beat on carpet by Nalbandian shows that Federer is not really all that invincible. Nadal only has HO titles to prove that he can do well on hardcourt.
Nadal's only threat in TMC will be Federer.

wimbledonfan
10-14-2006, 01:10 AM
Just Cause ...do you have nightmares of Nadal ?

Just Cause
10-14-2006, 06:31 AM
Looking forward to Federer losing #1 ranking too.

Just Cause
10-14-2006, 06:40 AM
Just Cause ...do you have nightmares of Nadal ?
Nah, usually Federer/Nadal/Roddick at the same time.

sawan66278
10-14-2006, 04:08 PM
First, people need to get a handle...there are three tourneys before (not including this weekend) before the Masters...a long time for players to go up (and down) in their games...Even if Rafa is in Blake's and Roddick's groups, who is to say he would not beat them?

If you recall, James won a tourney at the beginning of the U.S. summer series...and then flamed out until the Open...Roddick just lost to Gonzo...

People are jumping to conclusions at the BEGINNING of the major indoor season...This is like someone losing in a smaller clay court tourney...having not played Monte Carlo or Rome, and saying they have no chance at the French...

Believe me...over the years, almost anything can happen in these round robin matches!!!! Rafa could go (or Roger for that matter) 3-0...and lose in straight sets in the semis...

The Masters is unlike other events...one can even be 1-2 in the round robin, and still make the semis...

Will Rafa win? Too early to tell...Will Roger win? Always the favorite..too early to tell...

And again, let's make certain Blake even makes it to the tourney before we go crazay.:rolleyes:

Bagelicious
10-15-2006, 01:00 AM
You give someone red dotts if he says something "mean" against your favourites? Are you kidding me?

I dont, I only do that when I think someone wants to walk over Nadal's dead body.

Ok, that sounds sick but some people give you red dotts for aboslutly nothing.

Yes, but unfortunately for them, I back whoever I want (Federer/Nadal/Roddick).

:haha: Just Cause is smoking crack. Here is the post he tried to give me a red dot for (it was neutral because he didn't have enough posts) in the "Why is Davydenko Underrented" thread:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=85649

Just for future reference, it's underrated, overrated etc, because I noticed you misspelled it the same way in a thread a while back.

I'd say:
- because he isn't considered good looking
- his style of play isn't particularly flashy
- he doesn't appear to be a particularly charismatic character (from what I've read and heard of him from others)
- while he goes deep into Master's Series and GS tournaments, he hasn't won one

NOTE: This post is neutral, does not mention Nadal anywhere and has nothing to do with Just Cause in any way, shape or form! Unfortunately, we can't browse rep history so I can't post the rep he gave me, but it was clearly as clueless as the rest of his posts.