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Tennis: a one man's game (J. Johansson)?

paschan
10-11-2006, 11:01 PM
I just came home after having watched Joachim Johansson beating Mr. Nadal in a very good match at Stockholm Open (yes I enjoyed it :) ).

After this match, I realized something. When Johansson plays its kinda always like he is playing against himself. He serves aces constantly, he pounds winner after winner or error after error with extremely small margins and the opponent never really gets to play.
Today it was like that (and the winners were hit more frequent than the errors = he won).

Another even better example of this, was his fourth round encounter with Agassi at the 2005 Australian open. A match which I also had the opportunity to enjoy live. Agassi won it, quite comfortably in four sets, but the stats tells the story.

Johansson winners: 96, UEs: 66 (51 aces)
Agassi winners 35, UEs: 13

Agassi didn’t really need to do much, he just saw Johansson killing everything until the game was over.

It seems like that Johansson plays like this everytime. Plays against himself. In this way he can beat Nadal or anyone for that matter. In the same time he can lose to anyone (probably to Vliegen in the next round at SO).

Hmm, just a thought (and my first post with more than two sentences)

Opinions?

Neely
10-11-2006, 11:10 PM
Sure, it can be like you describe it! I agree with you. There are players who want to play offensively at any cost and they rather risk a very risky shot or a stupid unforced error than letting their opponents being in charge or trying to dictate an exchange. It's their philosophy. If you play against such a player, you can only try to make it as difficult as possible for him, giving him different looks, offer him different situations, try another placement. Easier said than done, especially when returning against Johansson, but if you stand around and watch him killing a high defensive return for the thousandth time and he has such a day where he hits everything, you must try doing something else as well if his winner to UE ration is too good.

scoobs
10-11-2006, 11:12 PM
Players like this are extremely frustrating because the match feels like it's not under your control whatsoever - it's down to how many winners and UEs they hit.

stebs
10-11-2006, 11:12 PM
I agree to a certain extent. There are many players out there like this (Safin, Tursunov) and they are the guys where people say if they're on they beat anyone. I am still not so sure about that, there are still players out there who could beat Pim Pim on top form and the same goes for a guy like Dima (maybe not for Safin).

I know exactly what you mean and this is the case with many players againat someone like Rafa. He says if you play at a certain level you can win but it's a very very high level that is hard to play at on a hardcourt and near impossible to play at on clay.

uglyamerican
10-11-2006, 11:14 PM
Also Gonzalez and Djokovic can sometimes play like this.

uglyamerican
10-11-2006, 11:14 PM
Also Gonzalez and Djokovic can sometimes play like this.

Joaquim
10-11-2006, 11:36 PM
There are other players who are better examples of the total hit or miss gameplan, especially on the WTA. See: K. Sprem.

MisterQ
10-11-2006, 11:36 PM
I get little pleasure from watching him play this way. But if it wins him matches, I guess you can't fault him.

Peoples
10-11-2006, 11:39 PM
I get little pleasure from watching him play this way. But if it wins him matches, I guess you can't fault him.
It can single handedly ruin the match quality.

Joaquim
10-11-2006, 11:43 PM
It can single handedly ruin the match quality.
If he plays badly, obviously the match is going to blow. The same can be said about alot of other players.

On the other hand, when he's on, he's one of the most fun players to watch. His AO 4r match against Agassi was one of the best matches of the tournament.

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 11:49 PM
Yes, I have to agree with thread's starter. And if you're gonna be at the tournament tomorrow and on Friday, and you'll see a little girl in black leather jacket, with black hair, with the black bag (lol) so it's me... it's very boring to watch matches alone... even PimPim's :(

paschan
10-12-2006, 08:02 AM
Agree that it can be really boring to watch him if hes off. Then you just see miss after miss. I still think the Johansson case is a couple of notches worse than Safin/Tursonov. You get to see a lot more play in their matches.

Somalian: Ill look for you today :)

Action Jackson
10-12-2006, 08:07 AM
There are plenty of players like this.

BIGMARAT
10-12-2006, 10:19 PM
Pimpim is a talented player who only plays when he wanted to and tennis is just like a hobby to him.

Imagine playing Rodick in the quarters of US Open( He won) with no relatives on the stand watching him and when asked about it, he said his father already made plans.

If only Pimpim have nothing but Tennis he could do more on his career. I think his family are wealthy or something.

Peoples
10-12-2006, 10:44 PM
If he plays badly, obviously the match is going to blow. The same can be said about alot of other players.

On the other hand, when he's on, he's one of the most fun players to watch. His AO 4r match against Agassi was one of the best matches of the tournament.
No, it was a pain to watch. Desperate guy hammering away at everything he got and not really able to move. Agassi was just there to pick up the pieces.

stebs
10-12-2006, 10:47 PM
Depends on what tennis you like to watch. Obviously I don't think anyone likes watching a total serve fest but he does have, in my own opinion, one of the nicest service actions on the tour. Definately the nicest of all the big servers.