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Stockholm 2R: Joachim Johansson def Rafael Nadal 6-4 7-6(4)

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silverwhite
10-11-2006, 08:37 PM
What an upset, Pim Pim! :eek: :bolt:

Longshot
10-11-2006, 08:38 PM
Congrats to JJ and his fans! :yeah:

Johnny Groove
10-11-2006, 08:38 PM
I love them both, i dont know what to think of this result :awww:

Here come the Rafahaters :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
10-11-2006, 08:38 PM
PIMPIM!!!!!

I couldn't see the match, only the SB - what happened - did PimPim play that good, or did Rafa make a mess of it?

TMJordan
10-11-2006, 08:38 PM
I knew it wouold happen just gotta keep believing!

:banana:PimPim:banana:

revolution
10-11-2006, 08:38 PM
The svensk crowd will be preparing the open top bus for PimPim. :p

Andre♥
10-11-2006, 08:39 PM
PimPim is back and I love it!!!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

zicofirol
10-11-2006, 08:39 PM
good for him

prima donna
10-11-2006, 08:39 PM
Nicely executed, well done!

scoobs
10-11-2006, 08:39 PM
Depressing :(

Come on Rafa - you need to get your season restarted, pronto.

Since Wimbledon it's been pretty shite.

Dump the broad and get some focus. Please.

Regenbogen
10-11-2006, 08:39 PM
Rafa :sad:

I'm so glad Johansson's back though! :bounce:

rofe
10-11-2006, 08:40 PM
Wow, JJ had something to prove. Very surprising result for me.

Good job PimPim! :yeah:

Hope this is a platform that JJ can build on.

Dexter_1986
10-11-2006, 08:40 PM
:spit:

loves it :drool: :banana:

iced gem
10-11-2006, 08:40 PM
Good to see he is back!!! :banana:

Rafa: :shrug: :unsure:

henree
10-11-2006, 08:41 PM
Nadal seems to be going through a crisis of confidence right now. Especially when confronting a big hitter. You can never say wininning a slam in one year is dissapointing. But Nadal has got to be hurting right now.

Beforehand
10-11-2006, 08:41 PM
Damn it. I should have put more vCash on that. I knew better.

coreyschucky
10-11-2006, 08:41 PM
Well done PimPim..Congrats!!!!

MrJ
10-11-2006, 08:41 PM
Nadal exposed once again!! :) Congrats PIM PIM

TMJordan
10-11-2006, 08:41 PM
yesssss

foolish pleasure
10-11-2006, 08:41 PM
yeah pim pim!!!! my boy is back!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/EINNOR165/alloveritgrace6go0az.gif

CassL
10-11-2006, 08:42 PM
OMG, Pim Pim! The tour has missed you.!:worship:

Blue Heart24
10-11-2006, 08:43 PM
yipeeeee! A JOKE NO.2 PLAYER RAFAEL NADALOS,LOSES TO GUY RANKED 690!!!!!!!!!!!! 690.!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO DIDN'T PLAYED FOR A YEAR AND A HALF!!! :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

mangoes
10-11-2006, 08:44 PM
:eek: For a second, I thought I read the title incorrectly..........Congrats JJ........ and a special congrats to NATAS81 who should be plum happy to see JJ back:D

blueskye
10-11-2006, 08:44 PM
Excellent win for Pim Pim :clap2: ! And to those who though he was going to be handed a bagel & breadstick :o :wavey: ...hehe! I love Rafa and all, but I am really happy to see Pim Pim back in business :cool: !

bad gambler
10-11-2006, 08:44 PM
Damn Rafa how do you lose to a guy who was playing Futures a month ago :p

Congrats JJ :yeah:

Johnny Groove
10-11-2006, 08:45 PM
yipeeeee! A JOKE NO.2 PLAYER RAFAEL NADALOS,LOSES TO GUY RANKED 690!!!!!!!!!!!! 690.!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO DIDN'T PLAYED FOR A YEAR AND A HALF!!! :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

yes, Pim Pim is a total clown. Its not like he was ever ranked in the top 10 or anything :rolleyes:

landoud
10-11-2006, 08:45 PM
Congrats PimPim

supersexynadal
10-11-2006, 08:45 PM
What the flippin f***???:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Who watched the match?? WHat the hell was he doing?? I cant believe this. Whats is up with him??

Billabong
10-11-2006, 08:45 PM
Pim Pim:woohoo: Awesome man, keep it up:banana:!!!

Corey Feldman
10-11-2006, 08:45 PM
PIMMY!!!!:woohoo:
YEEHAW :rocker2:

:haha: Rafa clown

Cervantes
10-11-2006, 08:46 PM
:worship: :worship: PimPim :worship: :worship:

Jlee
10-11-2006, 08:46 PM
Wow, congratulations to Joachim! Impressive. Did anyone see the match? Did he outplay a Nadal who was also playing well, or did Rafa simply lose the match?

stebs
10-11-2006, 08:46 PM
Pim Pim :) Hopefully we will see him back in the top 10 by this time next year. Must say it is a huge upset for him to beat such a good player as Rafa so early on in his comeback.

Once again Rafa's suspect match up against big serves on fast surfaces is shown. Still, I am not sure the scoreline tells the whole story, once again Rafa was not winning the big points. It seems like it's been that way with him for a while now, what's happened. :confused:

Anyway, big congrats to Pim Pim.

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 08:46 PM
The svensk crowd will be preparing the open top bus for PimPim. :p

This and ... hmmm... and it would be it.

t0x
10-11-2006, 08:47 PM
Well done PimPim!

It's been a while since Nadal has won a title... in fact, since RG? He really is looking short on confidence when he comes up against somebody who hits hard.

Sunset of Age
10-11-2006, 08:47 PM
Nadal seems to be going through a crisis of confidence right now. Especially when confronting a big hitter. You can never say wininning a slam in one year is dissapointing. But Nadal has got to be hurting right now.

Yes, poor guy... :tears:
I'm afraid the high expectations set on him haven't been improving for his tennis. Hope the guy now gets a break from all that hyping and overexposure he's been enduring lately.

But, ehn: CONGRATS PimPim!!! :worship:

nobama
10-11-2006, 08:48 PM
What the flippin f***???:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Who watched the match?? WHat the hell was he doing?? I cant believe this. Whats is up with him??It's called a fast surface indoors. Doesn't mean Nadal can't win on faster surfaces but right now the chances of him getting beat are greater than on clay or a slower hard court. Anyway TMS Madrid is more important, I expect him to do well there.

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 08:49 PM
What the flippin f***???:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Who watched the match?? WHat the hell was he doing?? I cant believe this. Whats is up with him??

Nadal had a hard night, but I doubt it could have affected. Time to agree, even seeded ones sometimes fall out, and PimPim was having a good time at the futures events and the crowd was more than helpful. Looked like Nadal was scared. Actually I was scared too when sitting in the middle of world's biggest fuss.

mallorn
10-11-2006, 08:49 PM
Didn't see any of it but looking at the SB Rafa had problems with his first serve again. He should be worried now.

Congrats to Pim Pim. :hatoff:

WF4EVER
10-11-2006, 08:49 PM
Now this I expected. Just wasn't sure PimPim had the form yet to pull it off. Big Hitters = Nadal Killa! Easy as abc, 1+1=2, etc. etc.

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 08:50 PM
PS. it's worth attention that PimPim was regular as for him and patient.

gillian
10-11-2006, 08:50 PM
Nice job by Pim Pim. I've missed him.

But for Rafa :sad:

LilyRoseAva
10-11-2006, 08:50 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: i'm really surprised

congrats pim pim

Labamba
10-11-2006, 08:50 PM
Congrats PimPim :banana:

stebs
10-11-2006, 08:50 PM
Wow, congratulations to Joachim! Impressive. Did anyone see the match? Did he outplay a Nadal who was also playing well, or did Rafa simply lose the match?

I didn't watch the match but sometimes you can tell some things from the scoreline and scoreboard. It seems that Rafa simply lost out at big moments. Pim Pim must've served huge though, 2 sets and 15+ aces. His serve seems to be just as good as it was a year and a half ago.

Rafa will always have losses to players like this on fast surfaces. He can win a hardcourt slam and many hardcourt tournaments, that I don't doubt, but he will never dominate hardcourts or indoor like some seem to think and even assume.

nobama
10-11-2006, 08:51 PM
Once again Rafa's suspect match up against big serves on fast surfaces is shown. Still, I am not sure the scoreline tells the whole story, once again Rafa was not winning the big points. It seems like it's been that way with him for a while now, what's happened. :confused:
That is weird as Nadal is usually so strong on the big/important points. But the expectations with him are so high. No one is immune to that kind of pressure.

stebs
10-11-2006, 08:51 PM
:lol: :lol: 13 minutes and 45 replies.

stebs
10-11-2006, 08:53 PM
That is weird as Nadal is usually so strong on the big/important points. But the expectations with him are so high. No one is immune to that kind of pressure.

It should not be forgotten that Pim Pim is Swedish. I assume the crowd gave him more than just a little encouragement.

Sommarsverige
10-11-2006, 08:53 PM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :yippee: :yippee:

Pim Pim is back and he definitely made my day with this result, I am so glad :)

Well, I have seen the match on TV and Pim Pim deserved to win the match totally. He played very agressive, with a lot of pressure and his serve was working very well! Pim Pim had a lot of support from the crowd, of course, and he said afterwards that he maybe wanted this win a bit more than Nadal. So Pim Pim was really very motivated, and he even cried a little bit when he had won, he has been waiting for this moment such a long time (to play tennis without pain again)!
I wish Pim Pim all the best in his journey back to the top which will - if he continues to play like today - not take him too long time... :)

rofe
10-11-2006, 08:53 PM
Now this I expected. Just wasn't sure PimPim had the form yet to pull it off. Big Hitters + Nadal Killa! Easy as abc, 1+1=2, etc. etc.

That is obvious that Nadal has problems against big servers and hitters but I didn't think JJ would be consistent enough after such a long layoff to pose a threat though Fed's match against Suzuki should have made me think that it is indeed possible.

Blue Heart24
10-11-2006, 08:54 PM
yes, Pim Pim is a total clown. Its not like he was ever ranked in the top 10 or anything :rolleyes:

in what time do you live?:lol: the guy didn't played year and a half!and some futeres in sweden is his last tournament! :haha:

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 08:54 PM
That is weird as Nadal is usually so strong on the big/important points. But the expectations with him are so high. No one is immune to that kind of pressure.

OMG looks like I have to repeat for the hundredth time... if you heard that noise that was in crucial moments even if you were Federer or whoever else, you'd just sh!t your pants. Sorry. And can't remember where for the last time I've seen ovations after first serve fault. I guess it was Coria - Mayer in Sopot 2005.

Nando_L
10-11-2006, 08:54 PM
PIM PIM!!!!!!!!!!
YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:bigclap: :bigclap:

nobama
10-11-2006, 08:55 PM
It should not be forgotten that Pim Pim is Swedish. I assume the crowd gave him more than just a little encouragement.No doubt it helped him take that tb and the match.

alfonsojose
10-11-2006, 08:55 PM
Nadal :wavey:
Pim pim is back :woohoo: :D

slipmaskin
10-11-2006, 08:56 PM
I caught this midway in the second set, it aired on Swedish channel SVT24... had I known sooner... oh well, the atmosphere was amazing (great crowd), and Pim-Pim played his banging game pretty much to perfection. Nadal had practically no chance when Pim-Pim got his serve going.. it's just that type of opponent that continues to frustrate Nadal.

stebs
10-11-2006, 08:58 PM
if you heard that noise that was in crucial moments even if you were Federer or whoever else, you'd just sh!t your pants.
I don't know about that. There are some players who can handle that hostility fairly well. Think Federer - Agassi Us Open '05. That must've been ten times worse than this.

Allez
10-11-2006, 08:58 PM
Congrats

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 08:59 PM
I don't know about that. There are some players who can handle that hostility fairly well. Think Federer - Agassi Us Open '05. That must've been ten times worse than this.

Maybe, but Nadal looked unsure and it was visible. He was booed when shouting vamos :lol: So he stopped doing that.

Horatio Caine
10-11-2006, 09:00 PM
Nice result JJ!!

swede
10-11-2006, 09:00 PM
well, nobody can beat pim pim playing his best..that serve and forehand are just HUGE

This match was totally his.. nadal couldnt do anything.. either it was an unforced or a winner from pim pim.. most winners today..i dont know anyone playing hitting harder.. i think his movement will be better and better now when he has carolina kluft's trainer as physical trainer..

the crazy thing is that he can improve!!! keep it up pim pim

neenah
10-11-2006, 09:01 PM
Congratulations Joachim!!! Wow, great win :)

But Rafa.. :sad:

stebs
10-11-2006, 09:01 PM
Maybe, but Nadal looked unsure and it was visible. He was booed when shouting vamos :lol: So he stopped doing that.
Although Nadal is a very nice kid his on court mannerisms do tend yo upset crowds at times so maybe that is why he got such harsh treatment. That of course along with the fact that Pim Pim is native.

roddick#1tome
10-11-2006, 09:01 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssss

Lee
10-11-2006, 09:01 PM
I don't know about that. There are some players who can handle that hostility fairly well. Think Federer - Agassi Us Open '05. That must've been ten times worse than this.

It's indoor court. Noise in a closed environment is way way worse than in the BIG Arthur Ashe Stadium.

Corswandt
10-11-2006, 09:01 PM
And can't remember where for the last time I've seen ovations after first serve fault.

Vaidisova serving vs Pavlyuchenkova at the Kremlin Cup only a couple of days ago... But it was just some people clapping.

Bilbo
10-11-2006, 09:02 PM
not that big of a surprise. pimpim is the best indoor player around and rafa is not so good under the roof. besides that he had an average year apart from his FO victory.

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 09:02 PM
Vaidisova serving vs Pavlyuchenkova at the Kremlin Cup only a couple of days ago... But it was just some people clapping.

I haven't been there (sadly haha...)

Carlita
10-11-2006, 09:03 PM
:hug: well done Pim Pim :D Nice to see him back again :bounce:

:hug: to Rafa as well...... better play well next week :devil: ;)

GlennMirnyi
10-11-2006, 09:04 PM
:haha:

Where's the next #1??? Can't beat a semi-retired player...

He's only a claycourter. Face it.

stebs
10-11-2006, 09:04 PM
It's indoor court. Noise in a closed environment is way way worse than in the BIG Arthur Ashe Stadium.

For sure it being indoors makes it much louder and worse in some respects but the sheer volume of people is much bigger in Ashe than in Stockholm.

Dimitra
10-11-2006, 09:05 PM
I think this is the lowest ranked player to ever beat a #2.

Fergie
10-11-2006, 09:06 PM
Great win Pim Pim! :rocker2:

stebs
10-11-2006, 09:06 PM
Can't beat a semi-retired player...
Pim Pim was injured for a long time but he is still just 24. He is going to be back at the top of tennis eventually.

Norrage
10-11-2006, 09:06 PM
not that big of a surprise. pimpim is the best indoor player around and rafa is not so good under the roof. besides that he had an average year apart from his FO victory.
Average year come on.....Its the best in terms of ranking points if you leave out fed :/

Havok
10-11-2006, 09:07 PM
good god Rafa :help: pathetic loss.

PimPim:banana: great to see this guy back he was pretty fun to watch. I hope he improved his movement and god awful backhand though :tape:.

Kip
10-11-2006, 09:08 PM
Well done JJ! :D
Nice to have him back. :cool:

The Daviator
10-11-2006, 09:09 PM
:eek:

Rafa :( Please play better in Madrid!

Naranoc
10-11-2006, 09:10 PM
:o

Let's face it, Nadal's had a crap season since Wimbledon. Played 4 tournaments, didn't make the semi's in any of them, and his serve still needs working on.

Berdych
Ferrero
Youzhny
Johansson

Who's next on the list? It's not good enough to say that they simply played an amazing match every time.

Come on Rafa, get your act together and start stringing together some decent performances for God's sake.

scoobs
10-11-2006, 09:11 PM
I think the hysterical overreactions need to calm down - this is hardly some sort of deathknell.

Rafa's had a poor second half of the season since Wimbledon, sure, but that's not to assume he's on his way down and out. I don't believe that for a second. He'll get through this bumpy patch and be riding high again in no time.

supersexynadal
10-11-2006, 09:12 PM
Nadal had a hard night, but I doubt it could have affected. Time to agree, even seeded ones sometimes fall out, and PimPim was having a good time at the futures events and the crowd was more than helpful. Looked like Nadal was scared. Actually I was scared too when sitting in the middle of world's biggest fuss.


So u were there??
I know he lost some confidence these days but i guess federer almost lost to a guy outside the top 1000:confused: :confused:
I thought this was JOKE for a while! I just HAVE to watch that match.
I hope this is a nightmare!:eek:

marcelwks
10-11-2006, 09:12 PM
Great win , really great . Like Poland against Portugal :p

Carlita
10-11-2006, 09:13 PM
I think this is the lowest ranked player to ever beat a #2.well we all know what pimpim is capable of, so he's not "just a low ranked player" is he? :rolleyes: I'm not really surprised he won to be honest..... He's a great player and I"m sure if he's back 100% he will be a force to be reckoned with!

vincayou
10-11-2006, 09:14 PM
Always good to see an injured player coming back. Never been a fan of Johannson, and probably never will, but this result is not so big a surprise given that
- JJ was top 10 before his injury
- Rafael having a bad history against this kind of player.
- JJ at home
- indoor

Bremen
10-11-2006, 09:15 PM
So u were there??
I know he lost some confidence these days but i guess federer almost lost to a guy outside the top 1000:confused: :confused:
I thought this was JOKE for a while! I just HAVE to watch that match.
I hope this is a nightmare!:eek:

the key is that Federer ALMOST lost. He hasn't lost a match since the loss to andy murray.

This might be good for nadal though...he'll get a lot of time off and time to work on his game.

Corey Feldman
10-11-2006, 09:15 PM
Great win , really great . Like Poland against Portugal :p:lol:

or Scotland against France :p

Sommarsverige
10-11-2006, 09:16 PM
well we all know what pimpim is capable of, so he's not "just a low ranked player" is he? :rolleyes: I'm not really surprised he won to be honest..... He's a great player and I"m sure if he's back 100% he will be a force to be reckoned with!

:yeah:

Exactly, this isn´t a very unexpected loss to me either! Pim Pim was beating all the top guys 1,5 years ago when he was in the top 10, and I am sure he will soon reach that level again :)

onewoman74
10-11-2006, 09:17 PM
That is crazy!!

supersexynadal
10-11-2006, 09:18 PM
the key is that Federer ALMOST lost. He hasn't lost a match since the loss to andy murray.

This might be good for nadal though...he'll get a lot of time off and time to work on his game.

Now i know hes not only slow on court but slow to wake up...
1 or 2 matches is understandalbe but so far hes done poorly in every tournament since the wimbledon final. i wonder what hes thinking right now...:sad:

KoOlMaNsEaN
10-11-2006, 09:20 PM
:bounce: Pim Pim!
So glad to have you back on the scene :D

CooCooCachoo
10-11-2006, 09:20 PM
Good :yeah:

jole
10-11-2006, 09:21 PM
Joachimmm. :D

Dimitra
10-11-2006, 09:22 PM
well we all know what pimpim is capable of, so he's not "just a low ranked player" is he? :rolleyes: I'm not really surprised he won to be honest..... He's a great player and I"m sure if he's back 100% he will be a force to be reckoned with!

Aw yes,we know what he can do..but still!;)

Carlita
10-11-2006, 09:23 PM
Aw yes,we know what he can do..but still!;)hmmm no not really "but still".... :p

charlie666
10-11-2006, 09:27 PM
Great to see he's back :yeah:

musefanatic
10-11-2006, 09:28 PM
Oh my god i can't believe he lost to Pim Pim!!!! :eek: :eek:

Nice to see Pim Pim getting back to his best, no doubt lose easily in the next round though :lol:

Bremen
10-11-2006, 09:32 PM
Now i know hes not only slow on court but slow to wake up...
1 or 2 matches is understandalbe but so far hes done poorly in every tournament since the wimbledon final. i wonder what hes thinking right now...:sad:

i don't think a quarter final at the us open is a poor result. I'm sure it's not what he wanted but he'd never gone that far there before.

Adler
10-11-2006, 09:33 PM
Well, I'm goddamn surprised. I was almost sure he'll win Stockholm title

It appears there's sth wrong with Rafa. Not because he lost today's match. World No.2 didn't reach a SF in four consecutive events and that should light the red bulb in uncle Toni's head. Is it because he's tired? Has problems with dealing with expectatons? Concentrating on sth other than tennis? Sth else? Dunno for sure, but a classy player is the one who's able to overcome problems. Otherwise, he'll be remembered as another good player that used to be No.2 and undefeated on one surface

I'm looking forward to some certain infos bout the match today. Was Rafa standing in another country again while playing behind the baseline? Unforced errors? Problems with dealing with JJ's FH?

LK_22
10-11-2006, 09:34 PM
Nice to see Johansson getting back to his best, and taking out Nadal in the process :yeah:

Are you watching Federer :p

Pea
10-11-2006, 09:35 PM
Welcome back Joachim!:)

Lee
10-11-2006, 09:37 PM
For sure it being indoors makes it much louder and worse in some respects but the sheer volume of people is much bigger in Ashe than in Stockholm.

No.

I had been to a stadium with more than 30,000 crazy football (American) fans screaming and yelling + all sorts of accessories to make noise. And I had been to an indoor arena with a few hundred people for a dog show (the arena can seat more than 5,000 people so lots of empty seat)

I guarantee you that you will try to get out of the indoor arena as fast as possible while it's nothing (other than a stupid human being bash a horn not 5 feet behind you) in the stadium.

Peoples
10-11-2006, 09:38 PM
Well, I'm goddamn surprised. I was almost sure he'll win Stockholm title

It appears there's sth wrong with Rafa. Not because he lost today's match. World No.2 didn't reach at least a SF in four consecutive events and that should light the red bulb in uncle Toni's head. Is it because he's tired? Has problems with dealing with expectatons? Concentrating on sth other than tennis? Sth else? Dunno for sure, but a classy player is the one who's able to overcome problems. Otherwise, he'll be remembered as another good player that used to be No.2 and undefeated on one surface
Now everybody is getting surprised who thought that Nadal was #2 across all surfaces. Wake up...

Adler
10-11-2006, 09:46 PM
Now everybody is getting surprised who thought that Nadal was #2 across all surfaces. Wake up...
last 2 years:
*toubles Federer in Miami
*wins Toronto
*wins Beijing
*wins Madrid after losing 2 sets to love (INDOOR)
*wins Dubai, defeating Federer

Well, I do am surprised

stebs
10-11-2006, 09:49 PM
Now everybody is getting surprised who thought that Nadal was #2 across all surfaces. Wake up...

I can't say I thought that myself but nevertheless this is still a shock. Rafa may not be the bees knees on hardcourts and especially not indoor but he is still a force to be reckoned with and Joachim has been out of action for a long time.

Rogiman
10-11-2006, 09:53 PM
Now imagine what would have happened if he had only had one of these players in his Wimbledon draw... He wouldn't have made it past the 1st round.

The only "big hitter" he faced was Kendrick - a guy who probably doesn't even make a living out of tennis - and that was enough to make him look pretty ridiculous...

supersexynadal
10-11-2006, 09:54 PM
i don't think a quarter final at the us open is a poor result. I'm sure it's not what he wanted but he'd never gone that far there before.


Look who he lost to there and look who hes losing to know....

Im sure this is just a phase. I dont want his career to be like michael changs. Hes too determined to ruin his career.

RonE
10-11-2006, 09:55 PM
Alright! :banana:

Welcome back, Pimster :D

Adler
10-11-2006, 09:57 PM
Im sure this is just a phase. I dont want his career to be like michael changs. Hes too determined to ruin his career.
And was Chang determined? He was one of the best fighters in the circuit! Besides, Rafa's got better physical conditions, so don't you worry so much

Bremen
10-11-2006, 10:00 PM
Look who he lost to there and look who hes losing to know....

Im sure this is just a phase. I dont want his career to be like michael changs. Hes too determined to ruin his career.

Well those guys he lost to are ranked way below him but they are talented players. Has rafa really lost his form? Maybe he's just being outplayed?

Neely
10-11-2006, 10:02 PM
Props to PimPim, he seems to be on a good comeback way :yeah:

I hope Nadal will reach further the next indoor tournaments!

Carlita
10-11-2006, 10:04 PM
Look who he lost to there and look who hes losing to know....
It's no shame to lose to mister PimPim you know.....

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 10:05 PM
I'm looking forward to some certain infos bout the match today. Was Rafa standing in another country again while playing behind the baseline? Unforced errors? Problems with dealing with JJ's FH?

Problems with service and forehand of Johansson and lack of confidence in his own game. Nadal is a more passive player than Johansson out of nature and it also was a decider.

Adler
10-11-2006, 10:06 PM
thx Nathii, prawo we Wrocławiu tęskni

nobama
10-11-2006, 10:07 PM
Maybe, but Nadal looked unsure and it was visible. He was booed when shouting vamos :lol: So he stopped doing that.Nadal doesn't seem to handle that situation well.

adee-gee
10-11-2006, 10:08 PM
Now imagine what would have happened if he had only had one of these players in his Wimbledon draw... He wouldn't have made it past the 1st round.

The only "big hitter" he faced was Kendrick - a guy who probably doesn't even make a living out of tennis - and that was enough to make him look pretty ridiculous...
Do stop talking out your arse, why did Federer not wipe the floor with him then?

Rafa is going through a sticky patch, he hasn't played well since Wimbledon, even on clay at DC he didn't look his usual self. He'll be back, no doubt about it. I just hope he gets himself to Madrid now and starts working on a few things, I didn't see the match today but the matches I have seen since Wimbledon his forehand has been all over the place, and he's been making a lot more unforced errors than he usually does.

Anyway, congrats to Pim Pim on a successful comeback, I don't think it'll be too long before we see him back in the top 50.

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 10:09 PM
thx Nathii, prawo we Wrocławiu tęskni

lol, you study there? :lol: wroclaw is prettier than stockholm, i'm coming back saturday afternoon

heja hej Slask :D

prima donna
10-11-2006, 10:11 PM
Nadal had his ass handed to him, this would never happen to Federer. Now all of the Nadal fans are trying to make excuses and some are even clever enough to make an attempt at turning Johansson into this powerhouse of a player, his serve is very potent when on, but the rest of his game is nothing to write home about.

Not only was Nadal dismissed, but he was dismantled in straight sets by nothing more than a serve and big forehands. Food for thought, the next time that certain members of this board try putting him in the same class with a certain legend from Switzerland.

nobama
10-11-2006, 10:12 PM
Rafa is going through a sticky patch, he hasn't played well since Wimbledon, even on clay at DC he didn't look his usual self. He'll be back, no doubt about it. I just hope he gets himself to Madrid now and starts working on a few things, I didn't see the match today but the matches I have seen since Wimbledon his forehand has been all over the place, and he's been making a lot more unforced errors than he usually does.
After the Cincy loss I believe Uncle Toni said Nadal was making more UE's because he wasn't concentrating 100% (not sure if that's the exact quote). Now that's something I usually associate Nadal with, being totally focused on every single point.

supersexynadal
10-11-2006, 10:13 PM
And was Chang determined? He was one of the best fighters in the circuit! Besides, Rafa's got better physical conditions, so don't you worry so much
I wasnt around when chang was around so i really dont know! I just know he wont let himself carry on like that

Well those guys he lost to are ranked way below him but they are talented players. Has rafa really lost his form? Maybe he's just being outplayed?

hes being outplayed and im glad he hasnt lost his form. Eventhough i didnt watch the match, every match hes lst this year hes been outplayed and its better to be outplayed than lose ur form coz there more to learn. Hes basically losing confidence. At least hes young enough to completely lose form and come back again (agassi for example).

Adler
10-11-2006, 10:14 PM
heja hej Slask :D
ktooo dziiiiś wyyyyygra meeeeecz!? ;)
all right, so much for local patriotism. all the best for JJ, especially because this year almost all of the guys that defeated Rafa lost in the next round

scoobs
10-11-2006, 10:14 PM
Nadal had his ass handed to him, this would never happen to Federer. Now all of the Nadal fans are trying to make excuses and some are even clever enough to make an attempt at turning Johansson into this powerhouse of a player, his serve is very potent when on, but the rest of his game is nothing to write home about.

Not only was Nadal dismissed, but he was dismantled in straight sets by nothing more than a serve and big forehands. Food for thought, the next time that certain members of this board try putting him in the same class with a certain legend from Switzerland.
As a Federer fan - excuse me - Roger almost lost to someone not even in the top 1000 the other week - he was very lucky to scrape through skin of the teeth.

And 64 76 is hardly having your ass handed to you.

It happens, sometimes. And Pim-pim is a very good player who's apparently having an extremely successful comeback.

Rogiman
10-11-2006, 10:15 PM
I think they finished the match even on points, lol at those who describle this loss as "being outlplayed"

stebs
10-11-2006, 10:16 PM
And was Chang determined? He was one of the best fighters in the circuit! Besides, Rafa's got better physical conditions, so don't you worry so much
I wasnt around when chang was around so i really dont know! I just know he wont let himself carry on like that


Well those guys he lost to are ranked way below him but they are talented players. Has rafa really lost his form? Maybe he's just being outplayed?

hes being outplayed and im glad he hasnt lost his form. Eventhough i didnt watch the match, every match hes lst this year hes been outplayed and its better to be outplayed than lose ur form coz there more to learn. Hes basically losing confidence. At least hes young enough to completely lose form and come back again (agassi for example).
:lol: This board is too funny. He loses one match to a very good player who is coming back off injury and you start saying he is going off course like Agassi did. That's insane.

adee-gee
10-11-2006, 10:18 PM
After the Cincy loss I believe Uncle Toni said Nadal was making more UE's because he wasn't concentrating 100% (not sure if that's the exact quote). Now that's something I usually associate Nadal with, being totally focused on every single point.
I don't really understand what's happened to be honest. His first serve % is lower than it usually is, his forehand has been dreadful ever since Wimbledon, he's standing a mile behind the baseline, and he just seems totally lost on court at the moment. I look forward to Madrid where I'll at least be able to see him.

adee-gee
10-11-2006, 10:19 PM
I think they finished the match even on points, lol at those who describle this loss as "being outlplayed"
JJ won 1 more point, so yes, Rafa had his ass kicked :)

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 10:20 PM
stebs, this board is very funny, like right now I see at least few identical posts of yours ;) one computer must be crap, mine or yours.

scoobs
10-11-2006, 10:21 PM
At best you can say Pim-pim edged Rafa - that's a very close match, deserved a third set really.

Oh well.

Let's hope for a more successful Madrid.

supersexynadal
10-11-2006, 10:21 PM
This board is too funny. He loses one match to a very good player who is coming back off injury and you start saying he is going off course like Agassi did. That's insane.

Yea u know y its funny?? coz a fan, i say hes outplayed and ur telling me just coz he lost one match so hes going of course like agassi and some other dude is saying that were making excuses. THAT makes me laugh:rolleyes:

Nathaliia
10-11-2006, 10:22 PM
ktooo dziiiiś wyyyyygra meeeeecz!? ;)
all right, so much for local patriotism. all the best for JJ, especially because this year almost all of the guys that defeated Rafa lost in the next round

For reminder, who is he facing?

Rogiman
10-11-2006, 10:23 PM
I don't really understand what's happened to be honest. His first serve % is lower than it usually is, his forehand has been dreadful ever since Wimbledon, he's standing a mile behind the baseline, and he just seems totally lost on court at the moment. I look forward to Madrid where I'll at least be able to see him.His game makes it impossible for him to play well year-round like Federer, he can only afford to play 4 months of decent tennis every year :p

Adler
10-11-2006, 10:23 PM
For reminder, who is he facing?
Kristof Vliegen (7)

Flibbertigibbet
10-11-2006, 10:27 PM
I don't really understand what's happened to be honest. His first serve % is lower than it usually is, his forehand has been dreadful ever since Wimbledon, he's standing a mile behind the baseline, and he just seems totally lost on court at the moment. I look forward to Madrid where I'll at least be able to see him.

Yeah, the thing that popped out to mind (I only saw the stats, not the match) was Nadal's serving percentage - I think it was 56% or 57%. Too low for him right now, even if he's trying to be more aggressive. Have fun in Madrid, I think he'll play better there, the crowd support'll be there and maybe Toni'll instill something into him.

scoobs
10-11-2006, 10:28 PM
That is too low for him - at the French it was up in the high 70s I think.

On faster court that second serve is attackable.

He needs to fix that, for sure.

adee-gee
10-11-2006, 10:30 PM
His game makes it impossible for him to play well year-round like Federer, he can only afford to play 4 months of decent tennis every year :p
You know as well as I do that's not true.

mangoes
10-11-2006, 10:31 PM
:lol: This board is too funny. He loses one match to a very good player who is coming back off injury and you start saying he is going off course like Agassi did. That's insane.


:lol: :lol: I also don't think Nadal is going off track.

adee-gee
10-11-2006, 10:32 PM
Yeah, the thing that popped out to mind (I only saw the stats, not the match) was Nadal's serving percentage - I think it was 56% or 57%. Too low for him right now, even if he's trying to be more aggressive. Have fun in Madrid, I think he'll play better there, the crowd support'll be there and maybe Toni'll instill something into him.
He's usually high 60s or low 70s, and his 2nd serve is still weak.

Yeah I hope you're right, maybe the fans can help him out in Madrid, by the sounds of it he's been getting some rough treatment from crowds recently.

Rogiman
10-11-2006, 10:32 PM
You know as well as I do that's not true.All of a sudden you're serious huh...? ;)

To be honest, I think it IS true ;)

Peoples
10-11-2006, 10:32 PM
last 2 years:
*toubles Federer in Miami
*wins Toronto
*wins Beijing
*wins Madrid after losing 2 sets to love (INDOOR)
*wins Dubai, defeating Federer

Well, I do am surprised
This hardly makes him the #2 best player on hard courts.

Joaquim
10-11-2006, 10:34 PM
Welcome back Pimpim!

I've been waiting so long for this. He's had encouraging results at the futures tournaments lately, but I never expected this. :banana:

adee-gee
10-11-2006, 10:36 PM
All of a sudden you're serious huh...? ;)

To be honest, I think it IS true ;)
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2005&query=Singles&selTournament=0&player=N409&x=18&y=9

I would describe that as a pretty good all round year for someone who was still a teenager for most of it :)

supersexynadal
10-11-2006, 10:38 PM
Yeah, the thing that popped out to mind (I only saw the stats, not the match) was Nadal's serving percentage - I think it was 56% or 57%. Too low for him right now, even if he's trying to be more aggressive. Have fun in Madrid, I think he'll play better there, the crowd support'll be there and maybe Toni'll instill something into him.

and if he wins or gets to the final it will give him re-boost

Rogiman
10-11-2006, 10:40 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2005&query=Singles&selTournament=0&player=N409&x=18&y=9

I would describe that as a pretty good all round year for someone who was still a teenager for most of it :)
Last year he underperformed at the (dirt-free) Slams, this year he quit playing in July, either way his game demands too much concentration and physical effort to carry him throughout the entire season ;)

mangoes
10-11-2006, 10:40 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2005&query=Singles&selTournament=0&player=N409&x=18&y=9

I would describe that as a pretty good all round year for someone who was still a teenager for most of it :)

:lol: :lol: :lol: Seriously Adam, I can't believe you're pulling out stats now :lol: :lol: Oh, time to go look for that Fed tard thread :lol:

zicofirol
10-11-2006, 10:44 PM
And was Chang determined? He was one of the best fighters in the circuit! Besides, Rafa's got better physical conditions, so don't you worry so much
I wasnt around when chang was around so i really dont know! I just know he wont let himself carry on like that

Well those guys he lost to are ranked way below him but they are talented players. Has rafa really lost his form? Maybe he's just being outplayed?

hes being outplayed and im glad he hasnt lost his form. Eventhough i didnt watch the match, every match hes lst this year hes been outplayed and its better to be outplayed than lose ur form coz there more to learn. Hes basically losing confidence. At least hes young enough to completely lose form and come back again (agassi for example).

Oh boy... Since you dont remember Chang playing you cant even speak of Agassi's "downfall" comparing it to Nadal's preformance on hardcourts is ridiculous. the truth is Nadal on fast surfaces can be beaten by power players, like today.

NYCtennisfan
10-11-2006, 10:45 PM
Obvioulsy Nadal has never had the game to play this type of player on a fast surface, but it is quite obvious that the things he was doing to compensate for those shortcomings have gone away.

He always seemed to win the big points, but he couldn't do it against JCF, Misha, and now today against JJ. Nadal had 0-40 on Misha at the Open to go up 2-1 in sets, had an easy FH sitter and choked. He had a lot of BP opps today and couldn't come through. Nadal generally had an easier time on his own serve but couldn't win the big points. His first serve % has also dropped and the effectiveness of his serves has gone way. His serve on the deuce court that goes down the T spinning away from the right handerer's Bh is no longer hugging that service line like it was earlier and he is winning fewer and fewer easy points. His FH has been simply average since Wimby rarely penetrating or controlling points.

rofe
10-11-2006, 10:46 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2005&query=Singles&selTournament=0&player=N409&x=18&y=9

I would describe that as a pretty good all round year for someone who was still a teenager for most of it :)

Adee-gee serious? I am enjoying this attitude change......immensely. :devil:

NYCtennisfan
10-11-2006, 10:47 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2005&query=Singles&selTournament=0&player=N409&x=18&y=9

I would describe that as a pretty good all round year for someone who was still a teenager for most of it :)

So you've gone from "taking over #1" to having a "pretty good year"? :p

adee-gee
10-11-2006, 10:51 PM
Last year he underperformed at the (dirt-free) Slams, this year he quit playing in July, either way his game demands too much concentration and physical effort to carry him throughout the entire season ;)
It's not his fault Federer hired someone to make him have a car crash and require him to take time away from the game :(

adee-gee
10-11-2006, 10:53 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: Seriously Adam, I can't believe you're pulling out stats now :lol: :lol: Oh, time to go look for that Fed tard thread :lol:

Adee-gee serious? I am enjoying this attitude change......immensely. :devil:

So you've gone from "taking over #1" to having a "pretty good year"? :p
Can't you Fedtards let me mourn the end of Rafa's career in peace? :ras:

Joaquim
10-11-2006, 10:53 PM
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/ea/full.getty-tennis-stockholm-open-second_round_5_19_32_pm.jpg

Focus of a CHAMPION.

tangerine_dream
10-11-2006, 10:54 PM
PimPim's bandwagon appears to be overflowing with Federer fans today. :lol:

Joaquim
10-11-2006, 10:54 PM
"He played with confidence and without pressure, very aggressively," Nadal said. "I did not play a bad match. His serve is top five for sure.

"He has a chance to win this event if he plays like this, but it's never the same to play in the second round as in the semifinals when pressure is there for a player who wants a lot of points."

At least Rafa is nice. And doesn't blame his losses on opponent's coaches, and stuff.

Rogiman
10-11-2006, 10:55 PM
It's not his fault Federer hired someone to make him have a car crash and require him to take time away from the game :(It's not Fed's fault the kid dropped from school too early and his current reading skills don't enable him to read traffic-signs properly :p

NYCtennisfan
10-11-2006, 10:56 PM
Can't you Fedtards let me mourn the end of Rafa's career in peace? :ras:

:lol: I'd be very surprised if Nadal doesn't make a strong run in Madrid.

Joaquim
10-11-2006, 10:56 PM
PimPim's bandwagon appears to be overflowing with Federer fans today. :lol:
They'll leave soon enough, after PimPim beats him with BAM! aces, too.

Naranoc
10-11-2006, 10:57 PM
Indeed, he'll probably end up being a definite contender for bandwagon player of the month. People who haven't heard of him until today are already starting to call him Pim Pim :lol:

Rogiman
10-11-2006, 10:57 PM
PimPim's bandwagon appears to be overflowing with Federer fans today. :lol:So now we're promoted to 'Federer fans' :confused:

Metis
10-11-2006, 10:58 PM
I haven't seen many Nadal matches since Wimbledon, so I was wondering if anybody else has noticed something. Perhaps he is trying to change his serve or groundstrokes or his grip and has not adapted yet which might be the reason for the difference in results since Wimbledon...

njnetswill
10-11-2006, 10:58 PM
Wow. Nice performance by Joachim.

Rafa. :o

revolution
10-11-2006, 10:58 PM
So now we're promoted to 'Federer fans' :confused:

Well people who have been labelled in the Fedtard category have been on PimPim's bandwagon before and now after the match.

scoobs
10-11-2006, 10:59 PM
I heard on the news this evening that there's a world shortage of delusion, stocks are dangerously low - now I see where it's all gone.

adee-gee
10-11-2006, 10:59 PM
"He played with confidence and without pressure, very aggressively," Nadal said. "I did not play a bad match. His serve is top five for sure.
I wish he'd stop saying that and just admit he's playing shit :rolleyes:

Naranoc
10-11-2006, 11:00 PM
^ Ditto. He needs to realise that the more losses he mounts up on hard court, the more the other players will play the best match of their lives to beat him.

rofe
10-11-2006, 11:03 PM
So now we're promoted to 'Federer fans' :confused:

I know, what happened to Fedtards? :sad:

I feel......slighted.

Seraphim
10-11-2006, 11:08 PM
As a Federer fan - excuse me - Roger almost lost to someone not even in the top 1000 the other week - he was very lucky to scrape through skin of the teeth. ALMOST winning isn't a win, and ALMOST losing isn't a lose. The key word here is "ALMOST" which does not exist in the end results of any competition. You either win or lose. It's one or the other as there is NO middle ground. I think a better example would have been RF losing to Murray, despite Murrays' ranking at the time.

And 64 76 is hardly having your ass handed to you. I agree completely. It sure the hell isn't. It was tight and closely contested and I really thought Nadal would still pull out the win.

It happens, sometimes. And Pim-pim is a very good player who's apparently having an extremely successful comeback. I think yes and no. That depends on whether his "extremely successful comeback" is based on him continuing his "comeback" and stays somewhat consistant at that, or because he beat RN in Stockholm. There's a fine line drawn between the two, but one that makes it's distinction VERY important .

Seraphim.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-11-2006, 11:09 PM
Wow

Rafa has to wake up and stop choking.

He used to be the best at the big points and I can't figure our whats wrong with him.

As long as he is back to his old self by AO I'll be happy.

rofe
10-11-2006, 11:11 PM
Wow

Rafa has to wake up and stop choking.

He used to be the best at the big points and I can't figure our whats wrong with him.

As long as he is back to his old self by AO I'll be happy.

Sure, it was all Rafa's fault and JJ just had to keep the ball in play...:rolleyes:

mangoes
10-11-2006, 11:12 PM
Wow

Rafa has to wake up and stop choking.

He used to be the best at the big points and I can't figure our whats wrong with him.

As long as he is back to his old self by AO I'll be happy.


You've been spending so much time bashing sweetiepie Roger that you've neglected Rafa.......and hence the result:lol: :lol: :p

Sure, it was all Rafa's fault and JJ just had to keep the ball in play...:rolleyes:

Rofe, isn't it rather funny that's the Rafatards are now using all the excuses that they bitch us out for using :lol: :lol:

Seraphim
10-11-2006, 11:13 PM
Do Fed and Nadal have the most hardcore nuts for fans or what? LOL

Count me in as one. Except without the "nut" part.

I'm slighty, SLIGHTY unhinged at certain times, but that's OK because I and my "others" are all well now.

Veronique
10-11-2006, 11:17 PM
I'll worry if he doesn't do well in Madrid.

star
10-11-2006, 11:18 PM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

I am soooooooo happy for Pim Pim! I never expected such good news. Hopefully, this is just the beginning of his return to an elite level.

mangoes
10-11-2006, 11:18 PM
:lol: I'd be very surprised if Nadal doesn't make a strong run in Madrid.

Agree. I would be very surprised if Nadal didn't make it to the SF/F of Madrid. I think too much is being read into this loss.

Rogiman
10-11-2006, 11:18 PM
Reading serious posts from arseclowns like Adam and R=FK makes this loss priceless :)

Jlee
10-11-2006, 11:19 PM
I didn't watch the match but sometimes you can tell some things from the scoreline and scoreboard. It seems that Rafa simply lost out at big moments. Pim Pim must've served huge though, 2 sets and 15+ aces. His serve seems to be just as good as it was a year and a half ago.

Rafa will always have losses to players like this on fast surfaces. He can win a hardcourt slam and many hardcourt tournaments, that I don't doubt, but he will never dominate hardcourts or indoor like some seem to think and even assume.

Thank you, I wasn't able to follow the match on livescore either. :)

jole
10-11-2006, 11:22 PM
They'll leave soon enough, after PimPim beats him with BAM! aces, too.

Leena-meister?!?! :wavey:

Rogiman
10-11-2006, 11:24 PM
Leena-meister?!?! :wavey:
:rolls: I wondered the other day if anyone still remembers that bitch and how much fun she was :lol:

jole
10-11-2006, 11:25 PM
:rolls: I wondered the other day if anyone still remembers that bitch and how much fun she was :lol:

I actually think Joaquim is new now - welcome if so. :p

*Viva Chile*
10-11-2006, 11:25 PM
Pim Pim :eek:
What a comeback!!!

Rafa :(

Fed=ATPTourkilla
10-11-2006, 11:26 PM
Completely unsurprising. Nadal is a claycourter for god's sake and that is pretty much all he is. On any surface other than clay, a big hitter/ serve-volleyer is favourite against him. Even the world #200 or whatever, Kendrick, nearly took him out at Wimbledon.

What sets him apart is two things. First, he's a really good claycourter, better than the rest of the Spaniards/ Argentinians (albeit nothing special on any other surface). Second, he has the good fortune that his game matches up extremely well against Federer, especially the cheap moonball forehand to Fed's backhand. But most of the time these days he can't even get to the final to play Federer, so it's pretty much academic.

BTW, don't delude yourself that Fed would lose to Johansson, whoever said that. Fed would crush him. Big hitters can't do a thing against Fed, his record against them over the last three years must be about 30-0.

nobama
10-11-2006, 11:28 PM
I don't really understand what's happened to be honest. His first serve % is lower than it usually is, his forehand has been dreadful ever since Wimbledon, he's standing a mile behind the baseline, and he just seems totally lost on court at the moment. I look forward to Madrid where I'll at least be able to see him.:hug: Cheer up. He'll do better in Madrid.

Pfloyd
10-11-2006, 11:31 PM
Wow. Its quite suprising to see Nadal do so badly in so many consecutive HC tournaments.

Yeah, He has been playing like shit and regardless of what he said today, he hasn't been his normal, cool-headed self.

I don't think that this will cause him to go into a deep recesion in which he will play like crap for a long time to come, but to be honest, being a fan of his could cloud my judgement in that sense.

Of course some of the haters are going to start to say that he is not a force to be reckoned with in HC, but given the HC's tournies he's won, yeah he is a good player in the surface.

Its a matter of getting his head straight and focusing on being cool headed in critical moments.

Its simply not normal for a world #2 to say that the last two matches he has lost has been due to the opposition playing very well. He's #2, and he ought to win most of the tough matches he plays.

It just seems to me that for whatever reason, he is not playing up to his level.

This is not to say that his opponent should'nt get any recognition, because he does deserve it. But Rafa is lacking something.

nobama
10-11-2006, 11:32 PM
Can't you Fedtards let me mourn the end of Rafa's career in peace? :ras:
Nole's been playing well as of late. Surely he's compensation during Nadal's slump. :)

jonas
10-11-2006, 11:36 PM
:bigclap: :bigclap: :bigclap:

This is almost too good to be true! I never thought Pim-Pim had it in him. Not this soon.

It was a great win and a great match.

Rafa didn't play bad, he simply got outplayed by Pim-Pim's huge serves and hard ground strokes.

Pim-Pim started off with 4 aces (two on second serve). What about that? He fired one second serve at 210 km/h. :eek:

Apart from his huge serves Pim-Pim had a very good base line game. He dictated the match totally. Had a little down period at 2-0 in the second set where he lost three games in a road. All in all he made an incredible effort. Tons of winners. Sure he had some unforced errors as well, and his movement and timing can and will improve. Remember this was his second ATP tour match in one and a half years...

Rafa was a little shocked and looked a bit frustrated. He played ok. Just didn't had any weapons against Pim-Pim.

Top ten here we come, Pim-Pim! :drive:

NYCtennisfan
10-11-2006, 11:45 PM
Reading serious posts from arseclowns like Adam and R=FK makes this loss priceless :)

:lol:

Gulliver
10-11-2006, 11:51 PM
I can't admit to being surprised at the outcome of this match because Nadal has yet to develop his game to the point where he has other options to rely on when things aren't going well, especially in a best of 3 sets. A 5 set grind down appears to me his best bet but that's reserved for GS and some tournament finals, (if he gets there).

It does raise the question of why the World #2 hasn't got further than the QF of his last 4 tournaments, and why he even dropped a set in the recent DC, on clay, to Volandri. A great deal will rest on his performance in Madrid and it will be very interesting to see how much of a factor the crowd will be if he is put in a similar situation to Stockholm in a best of 3 sets in the early rounds. Is the pressure finally getting to him, because if it is, the crowd may add to it.

nobama
10-11-2006, 11:57 PM
I think this pic says it all. And what's up with the bumblebee look? Not a fan of the bright yellow & black look.:o

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a377/jsnash/non-Roger/nadal.jpg

Lee
10-11-2006, 11:58 PM
I think he looked really cute in that pic :lol:

Martin
10-12-2006, 12:01 AM
I'm ecstatic for Johansson because he's gone through a lot in the past 18 months or so. To get a result like this already says so much about him :)

Fingers crossed that he stays healthy because if he does, then the sky is the limit for him.

NATAS81
10-12-2006, 12:01 AM
his serve is very potent when on, but the rest of his game is nothing to write home about.


:lol:

sawan66278
10-12-2006, 12:02 AM
While I have not seen the match, here is my assesment of Rafa's situation:

1. When I saw the draw, I had a feeling he might go down to Pim Pim. Why? Whenever you have a serve like Pim Pim, you always have a chance, regardless of how long you have been away, to win a match on a fast surface like an indoor court...especially in a best of three set match when fitness is less of an issue.

2. Since Wimbledon, Rafa has NOT played well. His forehand has not been as biting and his ground game has not been as consistant. Unfortunately, because of the nature of his game, Rafa HAS to play a lot of tennis...to stay in a groove. He took too long a period of time after Wimbledon, and he has yet to play at the level that got him to the final. His strokes have not been a groove...and I think it was the amount of match play on clay that helped him get his strokes grooved during the grass court season.

3. Rafa is suffering partly from what I call "the Sharapova Syndrome" or playing with House money. What do I mean? Because he is so young, Rafa does not take losses that badly because he believes that he has plenty of time to improve, and he is really more advanced career-wise than even he thought at this stage. On the flip side, the amount of success against Roger has put huge expectations on him. RAFA IS NOT ROGER...or as great as Roger...I love Rafa, he's my favorite player, but let's be honest, at this stage, he is not where Roger is...He is nowhere his peak...whereas Roger is...let's become more concerned if these losses and results become the norm in three or four years.

4. Players are learning that the way to defeat Rafa is to: ATTACK, ATTACK, and ATTACK some more. If Rafa is playing with his consistant ground game, he still has a great chance to win...but under the present circumstances, the strategy is working well,

5. Rafa is having trouble winning the big points, like the 0-40 against Misha a the Open...Let's be honest as Rafa fans: Rafa has almost ALWAYS had trouble closing out sets and matches...its always a 40-30/30-40 situation...when was the last time he closed out a critical situation at love or 15? I can't remember. This should improve...for his sake, it has to improve.

6. Rafa's game is much like Wilander's. He ALWAYS has to fight for points...particularly against those players with "bigger" games...There will be times where he may be overpowered...much like Wilander was by Boris. But like Mats, I think Rafa will adapt (perhaps more net play, more use of slice, etc.) However, when all is said and done, do most people look at Mats as simply a clay courter? No most look at him as simply one of the all-time greats, and

5. Expectations are TOO high...in 1986, at age 19/20, Becker had a winning head to head record against Lendl, won Wimbledon...and people were wondering whether Becker was truly the #1 player in the world. What happened at the year-end championships? Boris got crushed by Lendl, and the following season was one of true growing pains. Rafa is only 20...give him time to mature...Doing what he has done, on clay and other surfaces against the possible greatest player of all time...is worthy of true respect and tribute...to do what he has done at his age (winning RG twice, having the all-time match win streak, and 6-2 head to head against Roger) is almost unheard of..

Rafa will recover...he may not win another tourney this year, but I feel he is moving in the right direction career-wise...I hope so

NATAS81
10-12-2006, 12:03 AM
I think this pic says it all. And what's up with the bumblebee look? Not a fan of the bright yellow & black look.:o

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a377/jsnash/non-Roger/nadal.jpg

Oh miiii gooooddddd. Gett meeee owwwwt off hhhhhhhhhere Uncle Toniiiiii.

Joaquim
10-12-2006, 12:05 AM
I like Rafa's bumble bee outfit.

NATAS81
10-12-2006, 12:06 AM
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/ea/full.getty-tennis-stockholm-open-second_round_5_19_32_pm.jpg

Focus of a CHAMPION.

Welcome back, Andrew.. :)

Merton
10-12-2006, 12:50 AM
PimPim:hatoff: I hope he follows this win by going deeper into the tournament, anyway, it will do wonders for his confidence. Apart from the matchup issues, PimPim wanted the win more, his first serious comeback tournament after his injury at home, while for Rafa it was just a warmup event for Madrid.

Rafa has not repeated the form that he had at Wimbledon but from his four losses since then (Berdych, Ferrero, Youzhny, JJ) only the one against JCF was bad in my opinion.

ugotlobbed
10-12-2006, 12:50 AM
pimp

croat123
10-12-2006, 01:14 AM
:woohoo:

WF4EVER
10-12-2006, 01:19 AM
I think he looked really cute in that pic :lol:

I think he looks nice as a bumble bee, lol.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 01:25 AM
Pim Pim was injured for a long time but he is still just 24. He is going to be back at the top of tennis eventually.

Lend me your crystal ball so I can win the lottery big boy.

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 01:28 AM
He's declining physically. Why can't people realise that? With all the running, that would happen someday.

Joaquim
10-12-2006, 01:47 AM
He's declining physically. Why can't people realise that? With all the running, that would happen someday.
Lol...the same things people were saying last year. He's declining, he can't keep it up, he's a fluke. And then what? He comes back to run away with the clay season this year, again.

Nobody knows what the future will bring for Rafa, but this certainly isn't his doomsday.

hanabishi
10-12-2006, 01:53 AM
Nobody knows what the future will bring for Rafa, but this certainly isn't his doomsday.
Agreed, I find it too funny how some people are saying this defeat will spell the end for Nadal.

But a big congratulations to Pim-Pim. Great job!:)

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 02:00 AM
Lol...the same things people were saying last year. He's declining, he can't keep it up, he's a fluke. And then what? He comes back to run away with the clay season this year, again.

Nobody knows what the future will bring for Rafa, but this certainly isn't his doomsday.

Yeah... the CLAY season, the moonballer season. I'm talking about the real tennis season, the one that he loses to semi-retired players.

Joaquim
10-12-2006, 02:04 AM
Yeah... the CLAY season, the moonballer season. I'm talking about the real tennis season, the one that he loses to semi-retired players.
That post almost doesn't deserve a reply.

The REAL tennis season? Lolz.

NYCtennisfan
10-12-2006, 02:14 AM
5. Expectations are TOO high...in 1986, at age 19/20, Becker had a winning head to head record against Lendl, won Wimbledon...

Not quite.


1986 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet F Lendl 6-4 6-4 6-4

1986 Sydney Indoor
Australia Hard F Becker 3-6 7-6 6-2 6-0

1986 Stratton Mountain
VT, U.S.A. Hard F Lendl 6-4 7-6

1986 Wimbledon
England Grass F Becker 6-4 6-3 7-5

1986 Chicago
IL, U.S.A. Carpet F Becker 7-6 6-3

1985 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet F Lendl 6-2 7-6 6-3

1985 Wembley
England Carpet F Lendl 6-7 6-3 4-6 6-4 6-4

1985 Tokyo Indoor
Japan Carpet S Lendl 6-3 7-6(1)

1985 Indianapolis
IN, U.S.A. Clay S Lendl 5-7 6-2 6-2

AT the end of 86 it was 6-3 Lendl and at the end of 86 nobody thought Becker was the #1 player because of Lendl's awesome results although they did know that on a fast surface, if Becker played his best, he would beat anyone in the world.

NYCtennisfan
10-12-2006, 02:14 AM
Good points though. :)

hanabishi
10-12-2006, 02:14 AM
(I'm just glad it was Rafa who lost to Joachim and not Davydenko or Robredo or Ljubicic or somesuch, because I'm sick of reading "joke Top 10 player" or "worst Top 5 player" comments.

Amen to that!

sawan66278
10-12-2006, 02:20 AM
Let's give Pim Pim credit for the great victory...to be honest, he is EXACTLY the type of player the men's game needs...I really think he could Roger a run for his money if he serves well...

But as I said, I really think Rafa's career will end up like Wilander's...never dominating, but picking up a major here and there...

I see Rafa ending up with between five to seven majors...But we'll see...

By the way, what would be an acceptable end of the year for Rafa? Does he have to win a tourney or no?

kisses
10-12-2006, 02:26 AM
:rolleyes:
i have a big big question now:
why so many players played their best (or something like that) when they faced Rafa?
If they are really in a great form, they should have win the titles, but they seemed they just fired on when facing Rafa?

GlennMirnyi
10-12-2006, 02:27 AM
:rolleyes:
i have a big big question now:
why so many players played their best (or something like that) when they faced Rafa?
If they are really in a great form, they should have win the titles, but they seemed they just fired on when facing Rafa?

Wake up. They play as they usually do.

brent-o
10-12-2006, 02:37 AM
yeah pim pim!!!! my boy is back!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/EINNOR165/alloveritgrace6go0az.gif

I could strangely watch that forever:worship:

ChinoRios4Ever
10-12-2006, 03:40 AM
congrats to pim pim :yeah:

he's back on track

Ome
10-12-2006, 04:52 AM
:rocker2:

Iza
10-12-2006, 04:56 AM
OMG PimPim :eek: :yeah: :yeah: :hug:
great great great return :yeah: :bigclap:
sorry for Rafa tho :sad: :hug:

atheneglaukopis
10-12-2006, 05:30 AM
Wow, they should have had him do the Swedish blog this week! Bet they looked at his draw and didn't think he would last very long. :nerner:

Rafa! :awww: You put back together whatever is falling apart, okay? :hug: Better luck in Madrid next week.

Edit: Aww, what a darling bumblebee.

Adler
10-12-2006, 06:09 AM
This hardly makes him the #2 best player on hard courts.
Swo who's number 2 on hardcourts? Roddick? c'mon, he's won less than Rafa in the last period Ljubicic? Gimme a break. Nalbandian? Is he actually winning tournaments?

Modetopia
10-12-2006, 06:23 AM
Welcome back! PimPim.:devil:
try hard next time Rafa.:wavey:

swissfed
10-12-2006, 06:36 AM
Great Job, PimPim, Federer Next ....lol

bokehlicious
10-12-2006, 06:36 AM
Well done Pim Pim :yeah: too bad I haven't witnessed such an upset...

Aphex
10-12-2006, 07:03 AM
Pim-pim cheated. He brought dome loud ice-hockey fans from his hometown club Södertälje SK. Doesn't he know stuff like that is only allowed in DC? :rolleyes:

kronus12
10-12-2006, 07:04 AM
great win for pim pim im sure Nadal will bounce back in madrid in front of his home crowd.
And please let not be deluded here about pim pim even defeating roger how many power hitters beaten federer in the last few years....only one i can think of is Safin at the AO one of the all time great matches.
Im a fan of fed but i still like to watch nadal do well even though some of his on court behaviour annoys me.

morningglory
10-12-2006, 07:36 AM
*death* :haha: :eek:
what a surprise! (no, I'm not being sarcastic here)
guess we can say JJ Jackhammer is back!

t0x
10-12-2006, 07:41 AM
Swo who's number 2 on hardcourts? Roddick? c'mon, he's won less than Rafa in the last period Ljubicic? Gimme a break. Nalbandian? Is he actually winning tournaments?

You'd have to say Roddick right now with the USO Final and a win in Cincy. Ljubicic and Blake have both made TMS finals this year on hard, and won smaller titles. To be honest, I'd say Rafa is more like number 4 on hardcourts right now (and even thats probably too kind).

I just don't understand how Rafa did so well last year, and so bad this year on hard. Is it because he's been figured out? Or is he just playing sub-par? Hrmm.

oz_boz
10-12-2006, 07:42 AM
Swo who's number 2 on hardcourts? Roddick? c'mon, he's won less than Rafa in the last period Ljubicic? Gimme a break. Nalbandian? Is he actually winning tournaments?

Huh? Cincy and USO don't count?

Anyway, congrats to Pim-Pim, HEJA SVERIGE!

Rafa can do better than this on hc, and I believe he will in Madrid.

fanancic
10-12-2006, 08:14 AM
Thank you johanson!!!:worship:
nadal...:devil: I am happy because you lost...:devil:

FSRteam
10-12-2006, 08:18 AM
I didn't watch the match but sometimes you can tell some things from the scoreline and scoreboard. It seems that Rafa simply lost out at big moments. Pim Pim must've served huge though, 2 sets and 15+ aces. His serve seems to be just as good as it was a year and a half ago.

Rafa will always have losses to players like this on fast surfaces. He can win a hardcourt slam and many hardcourt tournaments, that I don't doubt, but he will never dominate hardcourts or indoor like some seem to think and even assume.

Totally right on that!!! :)

Congrats pim-pim!

Magical Trevor
10-12-2006, 08:32 AM
Shite. Didn't see that one coming.

Would love to see PimPim reach his full form again though. He skyrocketed into the top 10 early last year, and there was even that talk of him playing Federer in the Wimbledon semi on his birthday :p

FSRteam
10-12-2006, 08:43 AM
Do stop talking out your arse, why did Federer not wipe the floor with him then?

Rafa is going through a sticky patch, he hasn't played well since Wimbledon, even on clay at DC he didn't look his usual self. He'll be back, no doubt about it. I just hope he gets himself to Madrid now and starts working on a few things, I didn't see the match today but the matches I have seen since Wimbledon his forehand has been all over the place, and he's been making a lot more unforced errors than he usually does.

Anyway, congrats to Pim Pim on a successful comeback, I don't think it'll be too long before we see him back in the top 50.

For 2 sets he did!!! :)

Plus, the grass, despite what you'll answer, was more like clay than grass for the final!

I think that fed will kick rafa's ass in indoors fast surfaces!!! ;)

adee-gee
10-12-2006, 08:58 AM
Completely unsurprising. Nadal is a claycourter for god's sake and that is pretty much all he is. On any surface other than clay, a big hitter/ serve-volleyer is favourite against him. Even the world #200 or whatever, Kendrick, nearly took him out at Wimbledon.

What sets him apart is two things. First, he's a really good claycourter, better than the rest of the Spaniards/ Argentinians (albeit nothing special on any other surface). Second, he has the good fortune that his game matches up extremely well against Federer, especially the cheap moonball forehand to Fed's backhand. But most of the time these days he can't even get to the final to play Federer, so it's pretty much academic.

BTW, don't delude yourself that Fed would lose to Johansson, whoever said that. Fed would crush him. Big hitters can't do a thing against Fed, his record against them over the last three years must be about 30-0.
Marvellous :worship:

FSRteam
10-12-2006, 09:01 AM
"He played with confidence and without pressure, very aggressively," Nadal said. "I did not play a bad match. His serve is top five for sure.

"He has a chance to win this event if he plays like this, but it's never the same to play in the second round as in the semifinals when pressure is there for a player who wants a lot of points."

At least Rafa is nice. And doesn't blame his losses on opponent's coaches, and stuff.


rafa's always been like his, and we should all appreciate that! :)

adee-gee
10-12-2006, 09:03 AM
For 2 sets he did!!! :)

Plus, the grass, despite what you'll answer, was more like clay than grass for the final!

I think that fed will kick rafa's ass in indoors fast surfaces!!! ;)
For 1 set he did.

Ah the old 'the surface was like clay' excuse, very good :hatoff:

We'll see :)

FSRteam
10-12-2006, 09:11 AM
Wow. Its quite suprising to see Nadal do so badly in so many consecutive HC tournaments.

Yeah, He has been playing like shit and regardless of what he said today, he hasn't been his normal, cool-headed self.

I don't think that this will cause him to go into a deep recesion in which he will play like crap for a long time to come, but to be honest, being a fan of his could cloud my judgement in that sense.

Of course some of the haters are going to start to say that he is not a force to be reckoned with in HC, but given the HC's tournies he's won, yeah he is a good player in the surface.

Its a matter of getting his head straight and focusing on being cool headed in critical moments.

Its simply not normal for a world #2 to say that the last two matches he has lost has been due to the opposition playing very well. He's #2, and he ought to win most of the tough matches he plays.

It just seems to me that for whatever reason, he is not playing up to his level.

This is not to say that his opponent should'nt get any recognition, because he does deserve it. But Rafa is lacking something.

He's lacking Dr.eufemiano fuentes' help! ;)

FSRteam
10-12-2006, 09:17 AM
:lol:

:haha: at your avatar

disturb3d
10-12-2006, 09:21 AM
Its simply not normal for a world #2 to say that the last two matches he has lost has been due to the opposition playing very well. He's #2, and he ought to win most of the tough matches he plays.
----------------------------------------

I don't think that you understand the depth of talent that's around today.
The difference in ability of the top 50 is barely noticable. The only major difference being consistency.

To say that Nadal should beat an on-fire Joachim Johansonn is bizarre.
Nadal can't just show up and expect his reputation to win the match, at times he has to play his best tennis to win. Lucky for him, his best asset is the ability to play a high level 99% of the time.

As far as why he's been losing recently.
The opposition has often played great, and had incredible luck. Coupled with Nadal playing below par.
But as mentioned earlier, I really do think it has some connection with the accident he was involved in.

FSRteam
10-12-2006, 09:33 AM
For 1 set he did.

Ah the old 'the surface was like clay' excuse, very good :hatoff:

We'll see :)

I'ms sorry but the last set, nadal was clearly dominated!!!

FSRteam
10-12-2006, 09:39 AM
For 1 set he did.

Ah the old 'the surface was like clay' excuse, very good :hatoff:

We'll see :)

One more thing. If fed wants to beat rafa easilier than in wimby he has to play the way he did in rome. Strangely enough that is not how he played in the wimbly final. I guess he didn't want to change his game for the final since he had won all his previous matches in straigth sets.

I really hope he'll get to play rafa in indoors carpet and will come to net a lot, then he should quite easily beat him!!! :)

Neverstopfightin
10-12-2006, 09:40 AM
He's lacking Dr.eufemiano fuentes' help! ;)

And you're lacking a brain :silly:

adee-gee
10-12-2006, 09:42 AM
One more thing. If fed wants to beat rafa easilier than in wimby he has to play the way he did in rome. Strangely enough that is not how he played in the wimbly final. I guess he didn't want to change his game for the final since he had won all his previous matches in straigth sets.

I really hope he'll get to play rafa in indoors carpet and will come to net a lot, then he should quite easily beat him!!! :)
I'm going to have fun with you in the future, I'm surprised it has taken so long for me to notice you :D

BlakeorHenman
10-12-2006, 09:47 AM
I seem to remeber that before PimPim's injury, he was the favorite to test Federer, and Nadal second. Now that his injuries are up, maybe he'll reclaim that spot?

FSRteam
10-12-2006, 09:48 AM
I'm going to have fun with you in the future, I'm surprised it has taken so long for me to notice you :D

Looking forward too! :D

FSRteam
10-12-2006, 09:49 AM
And you're lacking a brain :silly:

I was kidding... :rolleyes:

refero*fervens
10-12-2006, 09:52 AM
That's an - interesting result. Saw it on yahoo first and thought - oh. Seeing as Johansson was so thoroughly dismissed yesterday :p .

Alexiana
10-12-2006, 10:03 AM
PIMPIM :bidclap: I'm so happy for him after he had to struggle so hard with his injury. He deserved it.

Rafa:sad: But my hapiness predominates:D :D

Adler
10-12-2006, 10:33 AM
You'd have to say Roddick right now with the USO Final and a win in Cincy. Ljubicic and Blake have both made TMS finals this year on hard, and won smaller titles. To be honest, I'd say Rafa is more like number 4 on hardcourts right now (and even thats probably too kind)
Definitely not too kind. I'm interested in A-Rod's and JB's performance now and in Madrid. If one of them does well, I'll stop calling Nadal No.2. For now I think the two Americans are veeery close

Monteque
10-12-2006, 10:37 AM
Congrats to PIM PIM.:worship:

For Nadal, he should improve his game on HC. If not, next year he will step on the gas until clay season end then get soggy after that.

deekaye
10-12-2006, 10:47 AM
[QUOTE=ClayBuster;4258519]PIMPIM!!!!!

I couldn't see the match, only the SB - what happened - did PimPim play that good, or did Rafa make a mess of it?[/QUOTE

"Claybuster;4258519 }PIMPIM"

Nadal praised Johanssen for his incredible serving and powerful ground strokes. He felt Pimpim could be in the top 10 in future providing he can play as well in the later rounds of tournaments when the pressure is much greater.
Although I am an admirer of Nadal's incredible athleticism,his tactics and mode of play seem to be 'set in stone'.On any surface other than clay,he needs to vary his game,try different things depending on the type of opponent.
No doubt this will come after another couple of years' experience on the Circuit.

Deekaye

deekaye
10-12-2006, 10:52 AM
Depressing :(

Come on Rafa - you need to get your season restarted, pronto.

Since Wimbledon it's been pretty shite.

Dump the broad and get some focus. Please.

"Scoobsuk"

What 'broad'? She must be something truly special to make Rafa lose his focus. Full details please!

Deekaye

deekaye
10-12-2006, 10:56 AM
Nadal seems to be going through a crisis of confidence right now. Especially when confronting a big hitter. You can never say wininning a slam in one year is dissapointing. But Nadal has got to be hurting right now.


"henree"

Come the clay season 2007 you will be singing his praises. Real hurt is if he loses in the French Open.


Deekaye

deekaye
10-12-2006, 11:08 AM
yeah pim pim!!!! my boy is back!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/EINNOR165/alloveritgrace6go0az.gif

"foolish pleasure"

Whats with the pink hair? Not Pim Pim's favourite colour surely?


Deekaye:)

deekaye
10-12-2006, 11:11 AM
yipeeeee! A JOKE NO.2 PLAYER RAFAEL NADALOS,LOSES TO GUY RANKED 690!!!!!!!!!!!! 690.!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO DIDN'T PLAYED FOR A YEAR AND A HALF!!! :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

"tennisfancroatia"

Rafael "Nadalos"? Who he?

Deekaye:eek:

ginnylegend
10-12-2006, 11:31 AM
Yeah, Nadal has gone soggy. It's like hard is his worst surface now after the grass success this year.