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Does it really matter what happens with Nadal at Madrid?

Johnny Groove
10-09-2006, 12:18 AM
Honestly, Law 18 is used in full force here. No matter WHO HE PLAYS, he will have a "cupcake draw", and Tio Toni's magic wand will have also given Federer the gauntlet draw with Berdych, Gasquet, Safin, Fat Dave, and Blake in his half :rolleyes:

If that doesnt work, be sure to look out for people to bitch about the surface speed or the ball density and weight, or the crowd's disrespectfulness or the elevation of the tournament :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 12:21 AM
Facts are facts Jonathan. The surface is slow.

About the draw, if he's going to face another draw with Horna, Kendrick, Moodie, then what do you expect to be said?

Macbrother
10-09-2006, 12:21 AM
lol "cupcake draw." :haha:

Someone's always going to talk shit about Nadal's victories, people will do likewise for Federer; fans of older players will say today's field is weaker, etc etc. I think it's safe to say the majority recognizes Nadal's accomplishments.

Johnny Groove
10-09-2006, 12:24 AM
Facts are facts Jonathan. The surface is slow.

About the draw, if he's going to face another draw with Horna, Kendrick, Moodie, then what do you expect to be said?

im saying that even if his draw is:

R64: Marat
R32: Tursunov
R16: Berdych
QF: Gasquet
SF: Blake
F: Federer

people will still bitch about it and say hes a clown and/or the other guys choked :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 12:27 AM
im saying that even if his draw is:

R64: Marat
R32: Tursunov
R16: Berdych
QF: Gasquet
SF: Blake
F: Federer

people will still bitch about it and say hes a clown and/or the other guys choked :rolleyes:

If he faces that draw his tournament is over in the second round.

Johnny Groove
10-09-2006, 12:29 AM
If he faces that draw his tournament is over in the second round.

exactly the kind of thinking I expect :rolleyes:

and if hes out 2nd round, that means he beat marat, and of course the excuses will pile up

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 12:31 AM
exactly the kind of thinking I expect :rolleyes:

and if hes out 2nd round, that means he beat marat, and of course the excuses will pile up

Man, even SARETTA defeated Safin this year. It's no big deal.

Johnny Groove
10-09-2006, 12:32 AM
Man, even SARETTA defeated Safin this year. It's no big deal.

exactly :rolleyes:

Macbrother
10-09-2006, 12:33 AM
I don't care if he beat Marat or Gael Monfils, he's the World No. 2, he should be doing much better than a 2nd round exit at a Masters series event, especially at home; and probably should take some crap about it.

As for the strength of his Wimbledon draw, who cares? Do you remember Borg's draw in '76? Nobody remembers that, what matters is he won *all* the games he should have and made it to the final, and despite the speed, it's still grass.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 12:35 AM
exactly :rolleyes:

Jonathan, I know you're not a RFK kind of person. You know that.

robinhood
10-09-2006, 12:45 AM
R64: Marat
R32: Tursunov
R16: Berdych
QF: Gasquet
SF: Blake
F: Federer

This is a nice little draw I would love to see Nadal face except for Marat in R1.
Marat needs some easy draw. He has no time for Nadal!

World Beater
10-09-2006, 01:02 AM
you really nothing of tennis if you think madrid and montreal last year were tough draws. if he beats 2-3 of the opponents you suggest, i think he would deserve fantastic praise but lets wait for it to happen...it seems you are already trying to make excuses for a future nadal loss. have confidence in the guy.

cmurray
10-09-2006, 01:11 AM
It does seem as though every time Rafa has a good result people make excuses about his draw or that uncle toni is cheating.

Next, we're going to hear that he's somehow hypnotized his opponent and has them under his mind control.

Merton
10-09-2006, 01:15 AM
If Nadal defends his title in Madrid he will be the greatest claycourt player ever and if he loses early he will be an overrated clown who will never do anything outside of clay. Overreaction is inevitable either way.

Corey Feldman
10-09-2006, 01:16 AM
will the modelgirls/ballgirls be in action again this week !!!??

Merton
10-09-2006, 01:18 AM
Facts are facts Jonathan. The surface is slow.

About the draw, if he's going to face another draw with Horna, Kendrick, Moodie, then what do you expect to be said?

Where is the evidence that the surface is slow? I can see that due to altitude the ball bounces high, but that does not make the surface slow. On the other hand, the altitude will also benefit big servers.

Corey Feldman
10-09-2006, 01:19 AM
little testosterone boy will have a hard time playing with them there, Unc Toni had to send Rafa's GF away from wimbledon this year saying he was distracted as it was.

add that one to your Law Blaze

rafatard excuses law i mean

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 01:20 AM
If Nadal defends his title in Madrid he will be the greatest claycourt player ever and if he loses early he will be an overrated clown who will never do anything outside of clay. Overreaction is inevitable either way.

If you consider it acceptable then you must be joking. It's not one title that will make that affirmative true.

Merton
10-09-2006, 01:22 AM
If you consider it acceptable then you must be joking. It's not one title that will make that affirmative true.


Of course I don't, as I point out it is a case of overreaction.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 01:22 AM
Where is the evidence that the surface is slow? I can see that due to altitude the ball bounces high, but that does not make the surface slow. On the other hand, the altitude will also benefit big servers.

Anyone that knows a little about tennis can watch a match there and say what I'm saying. Look at the people that have won that tournament.

Merton
10-09-2006, 01:28 AM
Anyone that knows a little about tennis can watch a match there and say what I'm saying. Look at the people that have won that tournament.

It is slower than carpet, but that does not make it slow. The only real surprise in the past four years appears to be Massu making the final in 2003. As for last year, Ljubicic should close the match when he was a break up in the 5th set but he was not good enough to do it.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 01:31 AM
It is slower than carpet, but that does not make it slow. The only real surprise in the past four years appears to be Massu making the final in 2003. As for last year, Ljubicic should close the match when he was a break up in the 5th set but he was not good enough to do it.

Ljubicic made SF in RG. He's not a "slow court clown".

Anything slower than US Open HC is slow by any standards. Carpet is the only true fast surface around these days.

Merton
10-09-2006, 01:42 AM
Ljubicic made SF in RG. He's not a "slow court clown"..

No doubt, I only pointed Ivan because he was on top form indoors last year, it would only be natural if he ended up winning in Madrid.

Anything slower than US Open HC is slow by any standards. Carpet is the only true fast surface around these days.

There is no doubt that carpet is the fastest surface and that surfaces overall (but not clay) have been slower than, say, 10 years ago. However, we cannot compare outdoors hard court, like the US Open with indoors since the presence of the elements (wind, sun) makes a major difference. As I said ealrier, I think that the high altitude favours players who rely on topspin, but on the other hand it should favour big servers too.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 01:50 AM
There is no doubt that carpet is the fastest surface and that surfaces overall (but not clay) have been slower than, say, 10 years ago. However, we cannot compare outdoors hard court, like the US Open with indoors since the presence of the elements (wind, sun) makes a major difference. As I said ealrier, I think that the high altitude favours players who rely on topspin, but on the other hand it should favour big servers too.

Glenn is just looking for an excuse to bag Nadal, not that he needs that many. The problem with Madrid it's only minimal altitude for memory it's around 660m above sea level, obviously the higher the altitude the bigger impact it will have.

Less resistance is good for the servers and for the baseline players they have to aim for shorter in the court to stop the thing flying out. As for your last example Dick Norman served huge and thumped Koubek in Mexico City and LaLo does well at altitude, then again you have Nico Lapentti is another in that field which proves your point about different players and altitude.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 01:52 AM
Glenn is just looking for an excuse to bag Nadal, not that he needs that many. The problem with Madrid it's only minimal altitude for memory it's around 660m above sea level, obviously the higher the altitude the bigger impact it will have.

Less resistance is good for the servers and for the baseline players they have to aim for shorter in the court to stop the thing flying out. As for your last example Dick Norman served huge and thumped Koubek in Mexico City and LaLo does well at altitude, then again you have Nico Lapentti is another in that field which proves your point about different players and altitude.

Ecuador's capital is way high. Of course you must expect Lapentti to do well in high altitudes.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 02:02 AM
Ecuador's capital is way high. Of course you must expect Lapentti to do well in high altitudes.

He is from Guayaquil and not Quito, but he'd have to play well there. Well Muster was from sea level and he did very well at high altitudes. Well since they don't play at Mexico City or Bogota anymore, it's Gstaad and Kitz that are the highest places on the tour at the moment.

Merton
10-09-2006, 02:17 AM
Looking back at last year's tournament, we see Dr. Ivo making the quarters, winning against Roddick and Hrbaty there.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 02:23 AM
Looking back at last year's tournament, we see Dr. Ivo making the quarters, winning against Roddick and Hrbaty there.

Chris Guccione just defeated Cañas on clay to win the Quito challenger and he was serving very well.

Then again he should be able to at 2850m above sea level.

Johnny Groove
10-09-2006, 02:24 AM
Well, thanks to this thread, people have gotten a chance to complain about all the Rafa-related complaining (even though it hasn't happened yet), so I would think that everyone should be happy now that everyone has had a chance to complain. Perfect!

yes! pre-complaining complaining :yeah:

mangoes
10-09-2006, 02:28 AM
yes! pre-complaining complaining :yeah:

Hope you feel better now :lol: :p :hug:

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 02:36 AM
Chris Guccione just defeated Cañas on clay to win the Quito challenger and he was serving very well.

Then again he should be able to at 2850m above sea level.

That's because Cañas is playing... well... clear... and you know what that means.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 02:39 AM
That's because Cañas is playing... well... clear... and you know what that means.

Drugs don't make you return serve any better or has that passed you by?

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 02:42 AM
Drugs don't make you return serve any better or has that passed you by?

Lack of 'em makes you play much worse than before.

As if Guccione were Roddick or something like that.

prima donna
10-09-2006, 02:42 AM
No.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 02:52 AM
Lack of 'em makes you play much worse than before.

As if Guccione was Roddick or something like that.

You are a very funny guy you know that. Oh yeah and the comeback has been a disaster, at least I know you have a sense of humour.

I have already explained how high altitude enhances big servers and the fact that Quito is 2850m above sea level just accentuates that even more.

Fact is Guccione served well throughout this tournament and yes he has a massive serve, it's not hard to see if his strength is working well and that these conditions favour his strength as has been explained earlier, then he is going to be hard to beat.

Sorry for the off-topic guys.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-09-2006, 02:53 AM
Rafa sucks. All his wins are lucky.
All bow down to JesusFed.

The challenged Fedtards seem beyond help.

Only my perfection can save them.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 02:54 AM
Answer to the thread question is no.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 03:10 AM
You are a very funny guy you know that. Oh yeah and the comeback has been a disaster, at least I know you have a sense of humour.

I have already explained how high altitude enhances big servers and the fact that Quito is 2850m above sea level just accentuates that even more.

Fact is Guccione served well throughout this tournament and yes he has a massive serve, it's not hard to see if his strength is working well and that these conditions favour his strength as has been explained earlier, then he is going to be hard to beat.

Sorry for the off-topic guys.

When a claycourter lose on clay to Guccione, that's just ridiculous, doesn't matter what altitude.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 03:26 AM
When a claycourter lose on clay to Guccione, that's just ridiculous, doesn't matter what altitude.

Considering Cañas's best surface isn't clay, but I doubt you really want to have a serious discussion about that. Then again you probably think Nalbandian's best surface is clay as well:p

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 03:28 AM
Considering Cañas's best surface isn't clay, but I doubt you really want to have a serious discussion about that. Then again you probably think Nalbandian's best surface is clay as well:p

Nalbandian no, but he's just an exception.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 03:30 AM
Nalbandian no, but he's just an exception.

As I said you are a funny guy and I appreciate that a lot. Considering Cañas made finals on every surface and oh that TMS he won was on a hardcourt, sorry man to break it to you.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 03:31 AM
As I said you are a funny guy and I appreciate that a lot. Considering Cañas made finals on every surface and oh that TMS he won was on a hardcourt, sorry man to break it to you.

Guga won many tournaments on HC, but his best surface has always been clay. That argument isn't good or accurate.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 03:34 AM
Guga won many tournaments on HC, but his best surface has always been clay. That argument isn't good or accurate.

Cañas's best surface isn't clay, just like Nalbandian he can play on it. It doesn't mean it's his best. As for Guga his differential between his overall best on clay and best on hardcourts is larger, in spite of the good performances he had on the latter surface, there are less doubts about what was Guga's best surface.

Keep digging.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 03:38 AM
Cañas's best surface isn't clay, just like Nalbandian he can play on it. It doesn't mean it's his best. As for Guga his differential between his overall best on clay and best on hardcourts is larger, in spite of the good performances he had on the later surface, there is less doubts about what was Guga's best surface.

Keep digging.

Most good hardcourters wouldn't beat Sampras and Agassi on that surface, so...

Cañas may have some results outside clay (that joke tournament against Roddick being one), but his game is hardly suitable for anything but clay.
Got my point now?

ufokart
10-09-2006, 03:44 AM
Cañas may have some results outside clay (that joke tournament against Roddick being one), but his game is hardly suitable for anything but clay.
Got my point now?

If you are referring to the TSM i don't understand how you could consider beating Federer, Srichaphan, Kafelnikov, Safin, Haas and Roddick a joke

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 03:45 AM
Most good hardcourters wouldn't beat Sampras and Agassi on that surface, so...

Cañas may have some results outside clay (that joke tournament against Roddick being one), but his game is hardly suitable for anything but clay.
Got my point now?

The only point is your hilariously biased and you see what you want to see, but hey that's you and I accept that.

Let me know if you want a serious discussion at any time soon. That joke TMS he won, he beat Federer in the first round, so that is a joke win as well I assume.

Ok, tell me why Cañas only has a clay game, it must be all that heavy topspin he hits.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 03:45 AM
If you are referring to the TSM i don't understand how you could consider beating Federer, Srichaphan, Kafelnikov, Safin, Haas and Roddick a joke

Glenn and I are having fun, please don't take it seriously.

ufokart
10-09-2006, 03:47 AM
Glenn and I are having fun, please don't take it seriously

I'm not taking it seriously, i just forgot to put the smilies.:angel:
:lol:

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 03:51 AM
I'm not taking it seriously, i just forgot to put the smilies.:angel:
:lol:

If you must know about that TMS win, this below was how it came about and credit to Grinder for this analytical work.

Roddick=serve only
Haas = does poorly in big events
Safin - can lose to anyone
Srichaphan - no consistency
Kafelnikov - old
Federer - streaky

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 03:52 AM
The only point is your hilariously biased and you see what you want to see, but hey that's you and I accept that.

Let me know if you want a serious discussion at any time soon. That joke TMS he won, he beat Federer in the first round, so that is a joke win as well I assume.

Ok, tell me why Cañas only has a clay game, it must be all that heavy topspin he hits.

'02 Federer lost to the likes of Sanguinetti, Schuettler, Gaudenzi and Massu, just to name a few. That's nothing great.

Cañas is one of the most limited players I've ever seen. All stamina, no technique or ability. I dare say he volleys worse than Roddick (and that means something for sure). All topspin, I'm not sure if I've ever seen him hitting something like flat (really flat out of question).

ufokart
10-09-2006, 03:54 AM
If you must know about that TMS win, this below was how it came about and credit to Grinder for this analytical work.

Roddick=serve only
Haas = does poorly in big events
Safin - can lose to anyone
Srichaphan - no consistency
Kafelnikov - old
Federer - streaky

My bad, i didn't realise it was a MM event :lol:
You are right Glenn, it was a joke.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 03:56 AM
If you must know about that TMS win, this below was how it came about and credit to Grinder for this analytical work.

Roddick=serve only
Haas = does poorly in big events
Safin - can lose to anyone
Srichaphan - no consistency
Kafelnikov - old
Federer - streaky

Haas is a known choker. Srichaphan was never consistent. Roddick isn't serve-only but in '02 was far from being the #1 Roddick. Kafelnikov was old and Federer was still throwing his rackets around and making a fool out of himself.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 03:59 AM
'02 Federer lost to the likes of Sanguinetti, Schuettler, Gaudenzi and Massu, just to name a few. That's nothing great.

Cañas is one of the most limited players I've ever seen. All stamina, no technique or ability. I dare say he volleys worse than Roddick (and that means something for sure). All topspin, I'm not sure if I've ever seen him hitting something like flat (really flat out of question).

No one said Cañas was massively talented, it's like saying the sun rises in the west. That is not the point and never has been. You don't even have to like the guy.

He actually doesn't hit that heavily. Gaudio hits with a lot more topspin than Cañas could on his best day, you have basically shown why I can't take you too seriously. You've never seen him a flat ball, oh yes and that backhand passing shot he hits effectively is all moonball.

ufokart
10-09-2006, 04:00 AM
'02 Federer lost to the likes of Sanguinetti, Schuettler, Gaudenzi and Massu, just to name a few. That's nothing great.

Cañas is one of the most limited players I've ever seen. All stamina, no technique or ability. I dare say he volleys worse than Roddick (and that means something for sure). All topspin, I'm not sure if I've ever seen him hitting something like flat (really flat out of question).

When Cañas won against him, Federer was top 20 (or top 10, i don't remember). Haas was in the top 5, Safin was number 2 if i remember correctly and Roddick was top 20.
Yep, it was a joke of a win :rolleyes:

Merton
10-09-2006, 04:03 AM
There is also the matter of making a final on grass and reaching R16 at Wimbledon. It is interesting that from his 6 titles, 3 have not been on clay, including his AMS win.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 04:05 AM
No one said Cañas was massively talented, it's like saying the sun rises in the west. That is not the point and never has been. You don't even have to like the guy.

He actually doesn't hit that heavily. Gaudio hits with a lot more topspin than Cañas could on his best day, you have basically shown why I can't take you too seriously. You've never seen him a flat ball, oh yes and that backhand passing shot he hits effectively is all moonball.

Gaudio's forehand is yes heavy on topspin, but he's a claycourter. What do you expect from him? His forehand is far from being his main weapon also.

Two-handed backhands are always much more flatter, because of many reasons, the grip being one. That shouldn't even be mentioned here. Compare his strokes with Novak's and you'll get what I'm saying, if it's that difficult.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 04:05 AM
There is also the matter of making a final on grass and reaching R16 at Wimbledon. It is interesting that from his 6 titles, 3 have not been on clay, including his AMS win.

Coria made a final on grass. That means nothing.

Action Jackson
10-09-2006, 04:13 AM
Gaudio's forehand is yes heavy on topspin, but he's a claycourter. What do you expect from him? His forehand is far from being his main weapon also.

Two-handed backhands are always much more flatter, because of many reasons, the grip being one. That shouldn't even be mentioned here. Compare his strokes with Novak's and you'll get what I'm saying, if it's that difficult.

I meant overall on both sides as for Gaudio who in their right mind is going to doubt what his best surface is?

As for the 2 hand backhand argument you use. It's flawed big time as Moya, Borg, Bruguera, Ginepri and Nadal have heavy 2 handed backhands whereas Pavel, Calleri and Hanescu have flat single handers, it's not a true indication either way.

It's difficult for you to admit that Cañas has done well on other surfaces including a last 16 performance at Wimbledon, won a TMS on hardcourts without coming up with excuses?

Merton
10-09-2006, 04:27 AM
Coria made a final on grass. That means nothing.

Coria is not a moonballer either:)

Johnny Groove
10-09-2006, 09:47 AM
Coria made a final on grass. That means nothing.

yes, whever a dirtballer makes the final of a fast-court tourney, it is automatically considered "slow" :rolleyes:

mrserenawilliams
10-09-2006, 10:23 AM
tennis players play...haters hate :rolleyes: the CIRCLE of freakin' life :shrug:

stebs
10-09-2006, 01:34 PM
im saying that even if his draw is:

R64: Marat
R32: Tursunov
R16: Berdych
QF: Gasquet
SF: Blake
F: Federer

people will still bitch about it and say hes a clown and/or the other guys choked :rolleyes:

He has had tough draws before and yes the bitching is over the top but it can't be denied that when given a tough draw this year he has lost his first really tough match. Look at Montreal and Cincy. Us Open is different because Youzhny played really special to win that match, in Montreal and Cincy he lost because he didn't play very well.

If Rafa got that draw and won the tournament of course people wouldn't say it was cupcake.

GlennMirnyi
10-09-2006, 04:41 PM
I meant overall on both sides as for Gaudio who in their right mind is going to doubt what his best surface is?

As for the 2 hand backhand argument you use. It's flawed big time as Moya, Borg, Bruguera, Ginepri and Nadal have heavy 2 handed backhands whereas Pavel, Calleri and Hanescu have flat single handers, it's not a true indication either way.

It's difficult for you to admit that Cañas has done well on other surfaces including a last 16 performance at Wimbledon, won a TMS on hardcourts without coming up with excuses?

I'm comparing his backhand to his forehand, not his backhand to other backhands. That's just silly, there are too many different styles of groundstrokes. The point is: compare Nadal's forehand and backhand. His backhand is of course much flatter. Now take Novak's. The difference is not so great. That is the point: Cañas is in Nadal's category.

RonE
10-09-2006, 05:41 PM
im saying that even if his draw is:

R64: Marat
R32: Tursunov
R16: Berdych
QF: Gasquet
SF: Blake
F: Federer


He definitely won't get that draw since he will get a bye in R64 :p

nobama
10-09-2006, 06:22 PM
He has had tough draws before and yes the bitching is over the top but it can't be denied that when given a tough draw this year he has lost his first really tough match. Look at Montreal and Cincy. Us Open is different because Youzhny played really special to win that match, in Montreal and Cincy he lost because he didn't play very well.

If Rafa got that draw and won the tournament of course people wouldn't say it was cupcake.Then they'd find something else to bitch about. To make this generalization that MTF doesn't respect Nadal or give him enough credit is ridiculous. Especially when it's based on a small number of posters.

revolution
10-09-2006, 06:25 PM
Then they'd find something else to bitch about. To make this generalization that MTF doesn't respect Nadal or give him enough credit is ridiculous. Especially when it's based on a small number of posters.

They don't give Federer enough respect though do they ;)

mangoes
10-09-2006, 06:30 PM
They don't give Federer enough respect though do they ;)

:scratch: Why do you say this??

revolution
10-09-2006, 06:31 PM
:scratch: Why do you say this??

:lol:

mirkaland will understand what I meant. I didn't actually mean it!

mangoes
10-09-2006, 06:39 PM
:lol:

mirkaland will understand what I meant. I didn't actually mean it!

I think I now get it too:o

revolution
10-09-2006, 06:46 PM
I think I now get it too:o

:smooch:

DDrago2
10-09-2006, 06:58 PM
Nadal is still too young and achieved too little to be respected in a way some want. He is still to proove real class. It doesn't realy matter what he does in Madrid, it matters what he will do in next few years. If he starts to get regularly geting beaten - even on clay - and falls out of top five, he will be prooven to be just a trick. Until now he was winning not only with quality but also with a few strategies (moonbaling, retrieveing, mind-games) that other players didn't have the time to adopt to. BUt it seems they are catching up now

I see Nadal just as a claycourter with a flashy media appearance and who will expire soon

mallorn
10-09-2006, 09:02 PM
What matters is that Rafa plays well and finishes the tournament injury-free.

will the modelgirls/ballgirls be in action again this week !!!??
Mhm.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2903/msmadrid06px7.jpg
little testosterone boy will have a hard time playing with them there, Unc Toni had to send Rafa's GF away from wimbledon this year saying he was distracted as it was.

add that one to your Law Blaze

rafatard excuses law i mean
You know a little detail like this?! :eek:

Pfloyd
10-09-2006, 09:07 PM
Federer aside, if Nadal were to retire with the #'s he has now he'd go down in history as a very good player that achieved a lot of records.

Take the fact that he's 20, and you've got a potential legend.

If Nadal wins in Madrid fighting through a tough draw, then Im pretty sure it would help clean up his image as a "good hardcourt" player to a "very good hardcourt player" give him time, I'm sure he will prove that he can hadle hellish draws, he's very young.

Regenbogen
10-09-2006, 09:11 PM
If Nadal won it with a really hard draw, I think most people would give him credit for it. Of course, certain people are going to disagree but that's only to be expected :p

atheneglaukopis
10-10-2006, 01:18 AM
He definitely won't get that draw since he will get a bye in R64 :pDepending on which Marat shows up, may be the same thing. :tape:

GlennMirnyi
10-10-2006, 01:20 AM
Depending on which Marat shows up, may be the same thing. :tape:

No no no, the BYE is more consistent... :lol: