#``#~Let`s try a better comparison! ~Hewitt or Safin~ who`s legacy will be greater? [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

#``#~Let`s try a better comparison! ~Hewitt or Safin~ who`s legacy will be greater?

CmonAussie
10-07-2006, 10:55 AM
Hewitt, Lleyton ................5-6............................ Safin, Marat

18 .................................................. ..................63

24-Feb-81 .................................................. ......27-Jan-80

Adelaide, Australia ..............................................Mosc ow, Russia

Adelaide, Australia .............................................. Monte Carlo, Monaco

5'11'' (180 cm) .................................................. .6'4'' (193 cm)

170 lbs (77 kg) .................................................. 195 lbs (88 kg)

Right-handed .................................................. ... Right-handed

1998 .................................................. ..............1997

33/15 .................................................. .............24/19

Titeles...25 .................................................. ...... 15

$16,609,137 .................................................. ... $12,563,850


ATP, Davis Cup and Grand Slam Main Draw Results


2005 Australian Open
Australia Hard F Safin 1-6 6-3 6-4 6-4
Stats
2004 Paris AMS
France Carpet Q Safin 6-4 7-6(2)
Stats
2004 Cincinnati AMS
Ohio, USA Hard Q Hewitt 6-4 6-4
Stats
2002 Tennis Masters Cup
Shanghai, China Hard RR Hewitt 6-4 2-6 6-4
Stats
2002 Paris TMS
France Carpet F Safin 7-6(4) 6-0 6-4
Stats
2002 Hamburg TMS
Germany Clay Q Safin 6-3 6-1
Stats
2002 Miami TMS
FL, U.S.A. Hard Q Hewitt 2-6 6-2 7-6(4)
Stats
2001 World Team Cup
Dusseldorf, Germany Clay F Hewitt 6-3 6-4
Stats
2000 Tennis Masters Cup
Lisbon, Portugal Hard RR Safin 6-4 6-4
Stats
1999 Stuttgart Indoor
Germany Hard R64 Safin 7-6(7) 3-6 6-2
Stats
1999 AUS v RUS SF
Brisbane, Australia Grass RR Hewitt 7-6(0) 6-2 4-6 6-3


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So Safin leads the head-to-head slightly over Hewitt at 6-5:sad:

Both have 2-Slam wins at two different Slams:cool:

Both have made another 2-Finals at Slams:sad:

Both have helped their countries to Davis Cup success:worship:

Hewitt has more titles;)

Safin has more TMS:p

Hewitt has two TMC:worship:

Safin won their most important encounter at the AO final last year:sad:

Both still have another 3-4 years left in which to further their legacy:angel: :devil:

***Who will be remembered as the better player:confused: :confused:

Jaap
10-07-2006, 11:02 AM
Hewitt because he made the most out of his talents.

CmonAussie
10-07-2006, 11:03 AM
Hewitt because he made the most out of his talents.

:cool: ~I like the way you think;) ....However I`m more interested in who will be remembered as being better:confused: ...Which one has made the most of their respective talents is slightly off the point..

Norrage
10-07-2006, 11:04 AM
OMG this such a difficult one :D
I'd say Hewitt because of his consistency and his time at #1.
Otherwise they are pretty even...Of course Safin has the most potential but he just has never unleashed all....

CmonAussie
10-07-2006, 11:07 AM
OMG this such a difficult one :D
I'd say Hewitt because of his consistency and his time at #1.
Otherwise they are pretty even...Of course Safin has the most potential but he just has never unleashed all....

:wavey:
Safin made #1 briefly too back in 2000 & really should have been Year End #1 that year but Kuerten stole his thunder at the final post (Lisbon TMC);)

I`m also curious about which of these two gladiators can still make the most of their remaining careers~~ probably another 3-4 years in which one of them ore both may still win another Slam:angel:

Dancing Hero
10-07-2006, 12:39 PM
I wouldn't rule out either of them winning a GS again, you can't tell for sure.

If neither of them ever win a GS again, I think Hewitt would be remembered as being better, he was reigning Wimbledon, US Open and Masters champ for a spell. Safin's GS wins came in 2000 and then in 2005, more one-offs.

Corey Feldman
10-07-2006, 12:44 PM
i like these threads :lol:

again i give my vote to Rocky... he has a wimbledon, 2 years as No1 and a couple of Masters cups as well, a few steps above Marat.

i mean anything marat has done you could say hewitt did...
but he did beat him in that AO final which must have hurt the aussie and is 1Up in matches.

stebs
10-07-2006, 02:15 PM
As of right now. Hewitt wins fairly clearly.

Breakdown
10-07-2006, 04:16 PM
I guess Lleyton.;)

btw, what is this?(33/15 and 24/19)
Hewitt, Lleyton ................5-6............................ Safin, Marat

18 .................................................. ..................63

24-Feb-81 .................................................. ......27-Jan-80

Adelaide, Australia ..............................................Mosc ow, Russia

Adelaide, Australia .............................................. Monte Carlo, Monaco

5'11'' (180 cm) .................................................. .6'4'' (193 cm)

170 lbs (77 kg) .................................................. 195 lbs (88 kg)

Right-handed .................................................. ... Right-handed

1998 .................................................. ..............1997

33/15 .................................................. .............24/19

Titeles...25 .................................................. ...... 15

$16,609,137 .................................................. ... $12,563,850

Norrage
10-07-2006, 04:27 PM
YTD win/loss.

Boris Franz Ecker
10-07-2006, 05:08 PM
Nobody can seriously think Safin had the better career.
Hewitt leads every relevant statistic.

But Safin is far better than Johan Kriek, because Kriek won only pseudo slams.

federerfan7465
10-07-2006, 05:19 PM
Hewitt will have a greater legacy- two year end number ones. (Saddest statistic in the history of the ATP)

CmonAussie
10-07-2006, 05:49 PM
I guess Lleyton.;)

btw, what is this?(33/15 and 24/19)
:wavey:
Sorry that statistic doesn`t mean much does it:o ~~ just their respective year to date win/loss stats;) ....

BTW,..for anyone interested this video link has one of my favorite Hewitt moments-->> when he finished of Nalbandian 10-8 in the 5th set of last year`s AO:worship: .........Hope people remember Lleyton`s fighting spirit when they think of his legacy..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUwlq8GI3Q

cmurray
10-07-2006, 05:57 PM
Dang. It's hard to say.....at this point, I think Hewitt, but i've a feeling that Marat isn't done winning just yet. Marat is clearly more talented, but Hewitt has been able to make more of what he's been given.

sawan66278
10-07-2006, 06:54 PM
Hewitt...hands down...Two year-end #1's...getting the most out of his talent...Marat will be remembered as one of the greatest squanderers of talent in the history of tennis:sad:

rmb6687
10-07-2006, 07:53 PM
at this point the legacy title definitely lies in Hewitt's court. I think everyone also knows that Safin is a better player...but again...Hewitt did much with what he was given.

CmonAussie
10-07-2006, 07:56 PM
at this point the legacy title definitely lies in Hewitt's court. I think everyone also knows that Safin is a better player...but again...Hewitt did much with what he was given.
:wavey:
Still we have to give Safin his props for making Russian tennis cool:cool: ~~sorry to Kafelnekov fans:p -->> he wasn`t quite in the same league as the crazy Marat:worship:

Norrage
10-07-2006, 08:14 PM
That might make a new comparison though...Kafelnikov vs. Safin?? :)

thrust
10-07-2006, 08:31 PM
Hewitt, though I think Marat has the better chance of winning another Slam. The problem is, Marat is rather mentally fragile. So much potential unfulfilled. If Hewitt had Marat^s physical stats, he probably would have at least 4 Slams.

BelgianWaffle
10-07-2006, 09:58 PM
I have to agree with the majority of the people here and pick Lleyton. He's such a fighter on the court. :)
Marat on the other hand has 'underachiever' written on his forehead, so to speak. Sad, but it's the truth. :shrug:

still love ya though, marat :kiss:

Havok
10-07-2006, 10:16 PM
Hewitt EASILY. Safin had a great end of the 2000 year winning the USO and briefly getting to #1. Then he was lame for the next 5 years until he caught fire again (for ONE event) and won the Aussie Open. Back to suckage again (though this time an injury had alot to do with it). Hewitt won the USO in 01 as well as the TMC that year and ended the year #1. He won Wimbledon the next year and repeated as the TMC champ and year ending #1. Had a slight dip in 2003 but still managed to win a TMS event and end the year with a nice ranking. Make a strong comeback in 04 reaching the USO finals as well as the TMC finals. FInals at the Aussie lat year (lost to Safin) then he had a pretty consistent year after that. This year with the baby and all has been a pretty big dissapointment but I think his marriage and his newborn should take precedence over anything and everything right now so you can put an * next to this year for him.

Like it was mentioned before, Hewitt has used his tennis capabilities to the max and thensome, while Safin is being an ass and never used his full potential, and sadly never will.

atheneglaukopis
10-07-2006, 11:41 PM
Hewitt EASILY. Safin had a great end of the 2000 year winning the USO and briefly getting to #1. Then he was lame for the next 5 years until he caught fire again (for ONE event) and won the Aussie Open. Back to suckage again (though this time an injury had alot to do with it). Hewitt won the USO in 01 as well as the TMC that year and ended the year #1. He won Wimbledon the next year and repeated as the TMC champ and year ending #1. Had a slight dip in 2003 but still managed to win a TMS event and end the year with a nice ranking. Make a strong comeback in 04 reaching the USO finals as well as the TMC finals. FInals at the Aussie lat year (lost to Safin) then he had a pretty consistent year after that. This year with the baby and all has been a pretty big dissapointment but I think his marriage and his newborn should take precedence over anything and everything right now so you can put an * next to this year for him.

Like it was mentioned before, Hewitt has used his tennis capabilities to the max and thensome, while Safin is being an ass and never used his full potential, and sadly never will.You're forgetting the 2004 indoor season leading into it. :( Other than that, yes, disappointing as it is, Marat is an underachieving headcase.

Safin_Lova
10-08-2006, 12:30 AM
I can see you are all voting Hewitt in this.

But think about it, Marat has has a pretty fantastic career for his inconsistant self, dont you think?
His won more masters series than hewitt and equal the amount of grand slams. To me for an inconsistant player that is very good. Sure Marat is the better player between the two, if we are talking about talent. As for the year end number one I would give Hewitt the edge, but dont forget that in 2000 Marat could have ended the year number one , who knows maybe the next year aswell ( THIS IS ALL A MAYBE)
Besides Marat has a few more years to win more, besides he won his slams in a more fantastic way than hewitt, he stormed on the scene thrashing Sampras in straighrt sets to win US open 2000 and beat Federer in the semis of Australian Open 2005- basically beating two of the greatest players of all time, I dont see Hewitt beating Fed any time soon( I hope to be proved wrong on this).
I aslo think Marat will be rememebered more for his personality and charisma and especially those tons of smashed rackets. All in all there both equall to me. Sorry for the long post, I just had to say what was on my mind.

TennisGrandSlam
10-08-2006, 12:55 AM
Safin - both GS finals win over home superstars!

Corey Feldman
10-08-2006, 01:02 AM
Marat will be remembered as one of the greatest squanderers of talent in the history of tennis:sad:alot say that about Marat.

true that he has not always been the most committed player ever and had alot of injures, but he hasnt done that bad with a few slams and No1, TMS titles and DC title, has he?

rmb6687
10-08-2006, 01:04 AM
I can see you are all voting Hewitt in this.

But think about it, Marat has has a pretty fantastic career for his inconsistant self, dont you think?
His won more masters series than hewitt and equal the amount of grand slams. To me for an inconsistant player that is very good. Sure Marat is the better player between the two, if we are talking about talent. As for the year end number one I would give Hewitt the edge, but dont forget that in 2000 Marat could have ended the year number one , who knows maybe the next year aswell ( THIS IS ALL A MAYBE)
Besides Marat has a few more years to win more, besides he won his slams in a more fantastic way than hewitt, he stormed on the scene thrashing Sampras in straighrt sets to win US open 2000 and beat Federer in the semis of Australian Open 2005- basically beating two of the greatest players of all time, I dont see Hewitt beating Fed any time soon( I hope to be proved wrong on this).
I aslo think Marat will be rememebered more for his personality and charisma and especially those tons of smashed rackets. All in all there both equall to me. Sorry for the long post, I just had to say what was on my mind.

Clearly Safin has had some great matches, and has done a lot for the sport of tennis with his charisma...etc. but with just tennis, without taking into account anything else(which i realize is an exercize in futily) Marat did not make as much as dent overall. He created great hype...produced beautiful tennis to almost back it up...and then due to circumstance and his fucked up brain...has produced about 1/2 of what he was capable of.

I love Safin too, and most of that is because he seems like such a tortured soul when he playing badly, but if both players stopped playing today Hewitt will have proven himself the better player.

I also believe Marat has another Slam in him. But I will only change my verdict when that happens.

atheneglaukopis
10-08-2006, 01:49 AM
alot say that about Marat.

true that he has not always been the most committed player ever and had alot of injures, but he hasnt done that bad with a few slams and No1, TMS titles and DC title, has he?Soon to be two. :dance:

Safin_Lova
10-08-2006, 02:20 AM
I forgot to say one more thing.
You guys are forgettting that marat safin has had many injuries that have cost him alot of time away from the game, other players came along while he was away fixing his injuries and he had to fight them when he cam back and his loss of confidemce in the process of that. He could have achieved much more if it weren't for alot of serious injuries including his wrist in 2003 and his knee in 2005 which ruined the great year he started of having by winning AO, I think he still has time to achieve alot more- and I beleive he will, so will Lleyton , so I dont think we should be comparing them at this point in time.
By the way I am sick of marat making these comebacks and his raanking slipping I wish dearly for him to remain injury free for the rest of the years he has left.