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Bad scheduling?

Frooty_Bazooty
10-06-2006, 12:38 PM
there are 10 top 20 race players playing in Vienna next week ( Ljub, Rod, Nalb, Bagh, Haas, Gonz, Step, Hew, Djo, Fer)

and only 1 in Moscow - Davydenko

wouldnt it make more sense to go play in Moscow if you are looking for points where there is a much easier draw?

Frooty_Bazooty
10-06-2006, 12:40 PM
Oh also, I know that the points for Moscow have gone down from 50 to 35 this year but still...

hanabishi
10-06-2006, 01:00 PM
Well, with the rest of the Top 20 in Vienna, Davydenko has a golden opportunity to earn a ticket to Shanghai by winning Moscow.

Melvins
10-06-2006, 01:09 PM
Oh also, I know that the points for Moscow have gone down from 50 to 35 this year but still...

Why Moscow has only 35 points?:confused: Prize-money is 1.000.000$!:confused:

Horatio Caine
10-06-2006, 01:09 PM
The pts are 35 in Moscow this year? :eek:

Frooty_Bazooty
10-06-2006, 01:11 PM
The pts are 35 in Moscow this year? :eek:

according to atptennis.com, yeah :shrug:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/438.asp

Horatio Caine
10-06-2006, 01:11 PM
To answer the question though...the top players get in by direct acceptance and don't have the issue of "alternates." Once they choose a tournament, that is it. They don't get the chance to swap. Play or withdraw...simple ;)

Horatio Caine
10-06-2006, 01:13 PM
http://stevegtennis.com/atpres.htm

Probably a typo...steveg still has it listed as 250 pts.

Bilbo
10-06-2006, 01:27 PM
Vienna has one hell of a draw this year. Unfortunately tennis is not popular in Austria :o

krystlel
10-06-2006, 01:30 PM
It says 50 points on this page:
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/tournaments/race_explanation.asp

Horatio Caine
10-06-2006, 01:33 PM
Vienna has one hell of a draw this year. Unfortunately tennis is not popular in Austria :o

Henman hasn't been back since that infamous DC tie :haha: :haha:

hanabishi
10-06-2006, 01:36 PM
It says 50 points on this page:
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/tournaments/race_explanation.asp

Winner in Moscow gets 50 RACE points, but 250 ENTRY SYSTEM points, as far as I know.

ezekiel
10-06-2006, 02:27 PM
B. Becker will derail Fed train :D

croat123
10-06-2006, 02:45 PM
moscow should not be 50 points. it hasn't had a half-decent men's draw in years

Jimnik
10-06-2006, 04:36 PM
The problem with Moscow is the distance players have to travel to get to Madrid. Also, there must be a 3 hour time difference.

Saumon
10-06-2006, 05:07 PM
The problem with Moscow is the distance players have to travel to get to Madrid. Also, there must be a 3 hour time difference.

2 hours ;)

Lee
10-06-2006, 05:25 PM
According to the calendar, Moscow is only an "international series" which means winner has 35 race points :shrug:

Interesting that both IS tournaments have more price money than the ISG which has more points.:(

Melvins
10-06-2006, 11:25 PM
According to the calendar, Moscow is only an "international series" which means winner has 35 race points :shrug:

Interesting that both IS tournaments have more price money than the ISG which has more points.:(

International Series's winners get between 35 (380k$-600k$) and 50 points (1000k$). So, Moscow's winner gets 50.

IS Gold's winner get between 50 and 60 points.

Anyone knows why exist ISG, what is the difference? I don't mean points, but why this status?:confused:

Lee
10-06-2006, 11:34 PM
International Series's winners get between 35 (380k$-600k$) and 50 points (1000k$). So, Moscow's winner gets 50.

IS Gold's winner get between 50 and 60 points.

Anyone knows why exist ISG, what is the difference? I don't mean points, but why this status?:confused:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/337.asp

Vienna ISG winner will have 250 entry ranking points, ie 50 race points and prize money €108,600

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/429.asp

Stockholm IS winner will have 175 entry ranking points, 35 race points and prize money €96,000

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/438.asp

Moscow IS winner will have 175 entry ranking points, 35 race points and prize money $142,000


If you convert Euro to USD, the prize money in Vienna is slightly less than Moscow.


ISG series are supposed to have higher ranking point and prize money.

Melvins
10-06-2006, 11:41 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/337.asp

Vienna ISG winner will have 250 entry ranking points, ie 50 race points and prize money €108,600

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/429.asp

Stockholm IS winner will have 175 entry ranking points, 35 race points and prize money €96,000

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/438.asp

Moscow IS winner will have 175 entry ranking points, 35 race points and prize money $142,000


If you convert Euro to USD, the prize money in Vienna is slightly less than Moscow.


ISG series are supposed to have higher ranking point and prize money.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Yes, i know that!:rolleyes:

My question is why some tournaments have Gold status? What the differences with others International Series?

Why a 1.000.000$ Dubai's winner receive 60 pts and 1.000.000$ Moscow's winner receive only 50 pts?

Lee
10-06-2006, 11:55 PM
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Yes, i know that!:rolleyes:

My question is why some tournaments have Gold status? What the differences with others International Series?

Why a 1.000.000$ Dubai's winner receive 60 pts and 1.000.000$ Moscow's winner receive only 50 pts?

Moscow doesn't have exactly 1,000,000 USD for price money, it's 975,000 USD. But that should give the winner 50 points but on ATP site, only 35 points.

See the attached snap shot from ATP rule book why Dubai has 60 points.

Melvins
10-07-2006, 12:43 AM
Moscow doesn't have exactly 1,000,000 USD for price money, it's 975,000 USD. But that should give the winner 50 points but on ATP site, only 35 points.

See the attached snap shot from ATP rule book why Dubai has 60 points.

WHY?

What don't you understand? I don't want point differences between ISG and IS! I want the logic for Barcelona and Dubai be a ISG and Moscow or Queens be a IS!

And Moscow is a 1.000.000$ event. At least, for points system. LINK (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/tournaments/fullcalendar/)

markom
10-07-2006, 03:22 AM
Well, with the rest of the Top 20 in Vienna, Davydenko has a golden opportunity to earn a ticket to Shanghai by winning Moscow.

still he needs some good result in madrid or paris besides for finale in moscow he would get zero points (24 is his best 5th)

GlennMirnyi
10-07-2006, 03:27 AM
WHY?

What don't you understand? I don't want point differences between ISG and IS! I want the logic for Barcelona and Dubai be a ISG and Moscow or Queens be a IS!

And Moscow is a 1.000.000$ event. At least, for points system. LINK (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/tournaments/fullcalendar/)

Most ISG are that way because they are traditional.

Lee
10-07-2006, 03:33 AM
Melvin, read carefully what you asked in your original post


My question is why some tournaments have Gold status? What the differences with others International Series?

Why a 1.000.000$ Dubai's winner receive 60 pts and 1.000.000$ Moscow's winner receive only 50 pts?

So my post answer why some tournaments are ISG and some IS. I also answered why Dubai's winner receive 60 points and I question why Moscow's receive 35 points instead of 50 points.

Moscow doesn't have exactly 1,000,000 USD for price money, it's 975,000 USD. But that should give the winner 50 points but on ATP site, only 35 points.

See the attached snap shot from ATP rule book why Dubai has 60 points.

WHY?

What don't you understand? I don't want point differences between ISG and IS! I want the logic for Barcelona and Dubai be a ISG and Moscow or Queens be a IS!

And Moscow is a 1.000.000$ event. At least, for points system. LINK (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/tournaments/fullcalendar/)

You never mentioned Queens or Barcelona. So I don't know why you're the one confused instead of me.

And if you ever click the link I provided earlier

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/438.asp

You will see Moscow total prize money is $975,000 not as $1,000,000 shown from the calendar.

And I am the one that ask the question why Moscow is not ISG but IS!!!!

LaTenista
10-07-2006, 03:47 AM
There are 9 ISG tournaments to "mirror" the 9 Masters events.

Points have always been based on prize money. So I believe Moscow is 50 points.

Lee
10-07-2006, 04:25 AM
There are 9 ISG tournaments to "mirror" the 9 Masters events.

Points have always been based on prize money. So I believe Moscow is 50 points.

It's list as 35 point (175 ranking points) in atptennis.com

Johnny Groove
10-07-2006, 04:27 AM
wait, wait, wait, Stockholm is 175? i thought it was 225! Rafa got gipped :armed:

Corey Feldman
10-07-2006, 04:37 AM
still he needs some good result in madrid or paris besides for finale in moscow he would get zero points (24 is his best 5th)Yep..
even if Davydenko makes the final in Moscow he still gets 0 points on the race :o
11 if he won.
but he'll prefer playing his own hometown event and should be good for shanghai anyway this year.

smucav
10-07-2006, 07:55 PM
It's list as 35 point (175 ranking points) in atptennis.comThe event profile pages are not updated.

ATP ranking point allocations:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/information/rankpop.asp

ATP race allocations:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/information/racepop.asp

Vienna: $800K ISG (50 race points/250 ranking points)
Moscow: $1M IS (50 race points/250 ranking points)
Stockholm: $800K IS (45 race points/225 ranking points)

Lee
10-08-2006, 02:32 AM
The event profile pages are not updated.

ATP ranking point allocations:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/information/rankpop.asp

ATP race allocations:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/information/racepop.asp

Vienna: $800K ISG (50 race points/250 ranking points)
Moscow: $1M IS (50 race points/250 ranking points)
Stockholm: $800K IS (45 race points/225 ranking points)

:hatoff:

vogus
10-11-2006, 05:26 PM
Moscow has a policy of never paying appearance money.

Vienna probably had to put out several 50-100 thousand$$ payments to get the field it did.

Hendu
10-11-2006, 07:31 PM
And in Round 1 there were defeats for Tursunov Youzhny Verdasco Volandri
and Mathieu

The only Top 50 player left with Davydenko is Benneteau:eek: :eek:

Unbelievable.