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Lleyton Hewitt has won never won a claycourt title.

vogus
10-05-2006, 05:59 PM
All 25 of his titles are on grass, hard or indoors. I only just realized this when comparing the career records of Hewitt and Kuerten for the other thread. I don't think he has even reached a clay final. People talk about Hewitt's versatility, but for example Sampras is known a being bad on clay despite winning a TMS on the surface as well as a couple of dinky events in the US. Hewitt's clay record is actually worse than Sampras's.

Rogiman
10-05-2006, 06:04 PM
I think he won Delray Beach when it was played on clay :confused:

And Becker never won a clay title either :shrug:

Byrd
10-05-2006, 06:06 PM
He's actually a pretty good claycourter as hes made a QF appearance at RG, and pushed Nadal. But he doesn't like the dirt, and doesn't like to commit to any of the events, apart from RG.

Lee
10-05-2006, 06:10 PM
Yes, Delray Beach was clay that year but is it green or red clay?

Hendu
10-05-2006, 06:11 PM
I think he won Delray Beach when it was played on clay :confused:

And Becker never won a clay title either :shrug:

Becker made 3 Monte Carlo finals, 1 final in Hamburg and 1 final in Rome.

Also made semis in RG three times.

Rogiman
10-05-2006, 06:15 PM
Becker made 3 Monte Carlo finals, 1 final in Hamburg and 1 final in Rome.

Also made semis in RG three times.
Never said he couldn't play on clay :p

vogus
10-05-2006, 06:20 PM
Yes, Delray Beach was clay that year but is it green or red clay?


Are you sure? What year did they switch from clay to hard? I think Coral Springs was the old venue which was clay.

Delray Beach TC has both green clay and hardcourts, i've played at that site.

fabolous
10-05-2006, 06:26 PM
yes, delray beach was played on green clay at that time, so he actually has one title.

apart from that, of course lleyton is no clay specialist and it's probably his weakest surface, but he's not a claycourt clown. i'm sure he would have a few more titles if he simply played more clay tournaments. two RG quarterfinals and several clay TMS semis don't lie.

Lee
10-05-2006, 06:26 PM
Are you sure? What year did they switch from clay to hard? I think Coral Springs was the old venue which was clay.

Delray Beach TC has both green clay and hardcourts, i've played at that site.

Go to Hewitt's profile in ATPtennis site, check his activity in 1999 for singles and you'll see it's clay for Delray Beach that year.

So it's green clay, not red clay?

Green clay is quite a different surface than red clay, right?

Grenouille
10-05-2006, 06:27 PM
Lleyton is still a great player!

ChinoRios4Ever
10-05-2006, 06:37 PM
Delray Beach 99 was on red claycourt

vogus
10-05-2006, 06:48 PM
Delray Beach 99 was on red claycourt


that's wrong, Delray Beach doesn't have red clay.

vogus
10-05-2006, 06:50 PM
Green clay is quite a different surface than red clay, right?




Yeah. Green clay is easier to move on for hardcourt players.

There almost no red clay courts in the US. A few places have colored their green clay red, but it is still the green clay surface, not European or South American clay.

MisterQ
10-05-2006, 07:09 PM
Yeah. Green clay is easier to move on for hardcourt players.

There almost no red clay courts in the US. A few places have colored their green clay red, but it is still the green clay surface, not European or South American clay.

What exactly is it about green clay that makes it easier to move on? (I have played on green clay but not on red).

Havok
10-05-2006, 07:11 PM
Only Houston has actual red clay and that's the only clay court event in the USA played on the ATP tour. As for the women, any clay event in the States is played on green clay. Easier to move on, and MUCH quicker than red clay. You can easily play a hardcourt game and dominate on it.

Lee
10-05-2006, 07:11 PM
What exactly is it about green clay that makes it easier to move on? (I have played on green clay but not on red).

I don't know but Davenport managed to win a title on green clay :tape:

SwissMister1
10-05-2006, 07:38 PM
Having played on both surfaces, I can say that green clay is harder packed, ball bounces quicker and lower than red, but probably an even bigger difference is the movement. You slide way more on red clay than green.

vogus
10-05-2006, 07:55 PM
Only Houston has actual red clay and that's the only clay court event in the USA played on the ATP tour.




I believe the surface in Houston is just green clay colored red, not real red clay.

cmurray
10-05-2006, 08:00 PM
Well, that certainly explains why Andy Roddick is capable of winning on "clay" in America. I thought it was a lack of true claycourt players.......

Boris Franz Ecker
10-05-2006, 08:07 PM
No problem.
Big Mac didn't win anything on European clay.
Ok, he won the junior tournament of Roland Garros.
Connors did win nearly nothing (i think, he won Rome, once, as his opponent retired).
They both had their litte green clay events in the US and won there a lot of titles in the abscence of the clay court elite (in other words: Borg).
One of the secrets of their excellent record (>70 titles).

Socket
10-05-2006, 08:13 PM
I believe that Coral Springs (in Florida) had a red clay tournament several years ago (aptly named America's Red Clay Championships); it was the successor to the old Delray Beach tournament that Lleyton won. I think Mark Baron ran both events.

Edit: My ancient memory is better than I thought. http://www.cstennis.org/tenniscenter.cfm

Corey Feldman
10-05-2006, 08:32 PM
They both had their litte green clay events in the US and won there a lot of titles in the abscence of the clay court elite (in other words: Borg).Connors won the US Open when it was on clay once in the 70's and beat Borg in the final.

vogus
10-05-2006, 08:33 PM
I believe that Coral Springs (in Florida) had a red clay tournament several years ago (aptly named America's Red Clay Championships); it was the successor to the old Delray Beach tournament that Lleyton won. I think Mark Baron ran both events.




again; green clay colored red does not equal European clay.

Johnny Groove
10-05-2006, 08:34 PM
again; green clay colored red does not equal European clay.

its still clay, and lleyton still won :rolleyes:

Deboogle!.
10-05-2006, 08:35 PM
I believe the surface in Houston is just green clay colored red, not real red clay.you believe wrong. They get the exact same substance as is on the courts at Roland Garros and bring a crew in from france to prepare it for the tournament. :rolleyes:

Boris Franz Ecker
10-05-2006, 08:49 PM
Connors won the US Open when it was on clay once in the 70's and beat Borg in the final.

On this green clay mix or how it's called.

vogus
10-05-2006, 09:42 PM
you believe wrong. They get the exact same substance as is on the courts at Roland Garros and bring a crew in from france to prepare it for the tournament. :rolleyes:



I stand corrected then. Thanks for pointing that out. There is no need to be snooty about it.

Corey Feldman
10-05-2006, 09:57 PM
:lol:

The Daviator
10-05-2006, 10:39 PM
I don't know but Davenport managed to win a title on green clay :tape:

3 actually ;)

Checho
10-05-2006, 11:52 PM
All 25 of his titles are on grass, hard or indoors. I only just realized this when comparing the career records of Hewitt and Kuerten for the other thread. I don't think he has even reached a clay final. People talk about Hewitt's versatility, but for example Sampras is known a being bad on clay despite winning a TMS on the surface as well as a couple of dinky events in the US. Hewitt's clay record is actually worse than Sampras's.


Hewitt reached the final in Hambourg 2001 and lost to Portas.

Checho
10-05-2006, 11:58 PM
its still clay, and lleyton still won :rolleyes:

There are completley different surfaces, one is made of clay (Green Clay) and the other is made of brick dust (Red clay).

The green clay is much faster than the red clay.

Johnny Groove
10-06-2006, 12:00 AM
There are completley different surfaces, one is made of clay (Green Clay) and the other is made of brick dust (Red clay).

The green clay is much faster than the red clay.

So I guess Nadal has never won a hardcourt TMS because Madrid and Montreal arent REAL hardcourts :rolleyes:

ChinoRios4Ever
10-06-2006, 12:05 AM
Hewitt reached the final in Hambourg 2001 and lost to Portas.

hewitt lost in the SF vs portas at hamburg 2001, portas d. ferrero in the final in 5 sets

also hewitt reached the SF at rome 2000 (lost to magnus norman)

Checho
10-06-2006, 12:07 AM
So I guess Nadal has never won a hardcourt TMS because Madrid and Montreal arent REAL hardcourts :rolleyes:

Ya que sos español te contesto en castellano.

No podés comparar xq en ese caso la superficie esta hecha del mismo material que es cemento.

Mientras que la arcilla y el polvo de ladrillo (o tierra batida) son materiales completamente distintos.

El problema es que los estadounidenses, que simplifican todo, como la arcilla es parecida al polvo lo llaman "Red Clay", pero son cosas distintas.

bad gambler
10-06-2006, 12:07 AM
Hewitt's performance in RG in 2004 was probably the best I have seen him play on dirt - but he was stopped short by one of the most masterful displays of claycourt tennis I have seen in recent memory (IMO). He has acknowledged that himself.

Looking through his RG record, it's not like he has lost to mugs who can't play on the surface.

vogus
10-06-2006, 12:11 AM
Hewitt reached the final in Hambourg 2001 and lost to Portas.


huh? Portas beat JCF in that final.

vogus
10-06-2006, 12:13 AM
Hewitt's performance in RG in 2004 was probably the best I have seen him play on dirt - but he was stopped short by one of the most masterful displays of claycourt tennis I have seen in recent memory (IMO). He has acknowledged that himself.




that was a great match to watch, even though the score said it was a straight sets thrashing.

Johnny Groove
10-06-2006, 12:21 AM
Ya que sos español te contesto en castellano.

No podés comparar xq en ese caso la superficie esta hecha del mismo material que es cemento.

Mientras que la arcilla y el polvo de ladrillo (o tierra batida) son materiales completamente distintos.

El problema es que los estadounidenses, que simplifican todo, como la arcilla es parecida al polvo lo llaman "Red Clay", pero son cosas distintas.

Si, la arcilla verde y la arcilla roja son diferentes, pero eso no era lo que demandó el creador del hilo.

it doesnt matter that the types of clay are different, the fact is that it is STILL CLAY, no matter what color it is, or what people think about it.

Si la arcilla es verde o roja, su aún un triunfo de la arcilla.

Checho
10-06-2006, 12:22 AM
huh? Portas beat JCF in that final.


You are right, Portas defeated Hewitt in the semis.

Checho
10-06-2006, 12:50 AM
Si, la arcilla verde y la arcilla roja son diferentes, pero eso no era lo que demandó el creador del hilo.

it doesnt matter that the types of clay are different, the fact is that it is STILL CLAY, no matter what color it is, or what people think about it.

Si la arcilla es verde o roja, su aún un triunfo de la arcilla.

El tema es el siguiente, que al Polvo de ladrillo se lo llama "arcilla", porque los países de habla inglesa por su similitud a la verdadera arcilla lo empezaron a llamar "Red Clay". Despúes en el uso coloquial el red quedó perdido por ahí y ahora a las 2 se las llama Clay. Clay justamente significa arcilla, entonces al traducirlo literalmente muchos países de habla hispana comenzaron a llamar arcilla al polvo de ladrillo, lo cual es un inglisismo, esta mal.
El polvo de ladrillo (no hay que ser una luz para descifrarlo) es ladrillo hecho polvo (tiene una base de ladrillo hueco y arena y arriba se le hecha el polvo), mientras que la arcilla es otro material que nada tiene que ver.

Cuando decís: "it doesnt matter that the types of clay are different", estas equivocado una es arcilla, la otra no.


This is the thing, in the United States they started calling Red Clay to the Brick Dust because the brick dust was very similar to the clay.
Later in the common use the "red" was removed and both are called clay, but the clay and the brick dust never was the same surface.
The brick dust (it isn't necesary to be very claver to figured out) it is brick that has been made dust (has a base of hollow brick and sand and then they throw the dust), whereas the clay is a completely different thing.

when you said: ""it doesnt matter that the types of clay are different", you are wrong, one is clay, the other it is not.

CmonAussie
10-06-2006, 01:13 AM
Hewitt's performance in RG in 2004 was probably the best I have seen him play on dirt - but he was stopped short by one of the most masterful displays of claycourt tennis I have seen in recent memory (IMO). He has acknowledged that himself.

Looking through his RG record, it's not like he has lost to mugs who can't play on the surface.

:cool: .Yeah Hewitt`s performances at RG are decent & 2004 he was playing his best there. Especially his matches against Verkerk (RG finalist 2003) & Malisse (straight sets whipping) were impressive. Also in 2003 he defeated Davydenko at RG in 4;) ...

Hewitt has never commited to a full-throttle clay court season:sad: .. I`m quite sure that if he played some of the smaller clay tourneys (eg. Estoril, Munich, Valencia, Casablanca, Acapulco...etc) then he would have won one by now. The fact is he usually sees the clay season as his rest time so he can give Wimbledon & the US summer his best efforts...if he didn`t have the attitude of always saving himself for those & began the clay court season before RG (his normal starting point) then his titles on clay would look more balanced than that single Delray Beach green clay MM title;)

#*#*#.PS~ Hewitt actually defeated Gaudio at the Rome AMS tourney in 2004~~ just a few weeks later Gaudio was the French Open champion!!!

TennisGrandSlam
10-06-2006, 02:53 AM
Although Hewitt is defensive baseliner, he is suitable for fast surface.