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Rogi in Rotterdam!

Billabong
02-16-2004, 10:24 PM
Here's the Rotterdam thread!!!

What do you think about Rogi's chances this week?? He has a tough draw, but if he plays well like he usually does, I think he has great chances to win:)!!!

GO ROGIII!!!!!!!!

ytben
02-16-2004, 11:36 PM
Goooo Rogiiii!!!
Yeah another tough draw, what else is new ;)
I think he has a good chance to win it, but the fields is really deep in this tournie, and Rogi may have to face Timmy in round 3. If they do meet, I hope Rogi will win to shake another gorilla off his back. Hopes Rogi has recovered enough since he has a full schedule this month.

rogicomel
02-17-2004, 12:47 AM
Good luck Rogi!!!! The world best player should know how to beat the B player (if they really meet in 1/4 f). Stretch the winning streak as long as u can!

RogiFan88
02-17-2004, 02:45 AM
Whoever Rogi plays in Rotterdam, I hope he beats them, incl and esp Henman... about time, Rogi! I don't think Tim could have been beaten in Paris-Bercy03 -- he was playing THAT well and good for him!

But now, it's time for Rogi to do the dirty... ;)

Clement is his first test...

He has Marseille and Dubai titles to defend... then off to the TMSes in US... w be nice for Rogi to take Miami... ;)

HOPP, ROGI!!

Jazzy
02-17-2004, 07:10 AM
yeh, beat Tim for me Rogi!! (o, & every1 else)

ytben
02-17-2004, 07:35 AM
Yeah, I want Rogi to win one of the TMSs next month(I am hoping both of them but trying to be not greedy ;)).

WyveN
02-17-2004, 07:38 AM
I think his in such great form that he is a big favourite in each match, plus he loves indoors so hopefully he can stretch the winning streak to 19 and beyond

jtipson
02-17-2004, 04:43 PM
Wednesday's schedule is out, and Roger is to play Arnaud Clement in the second evening match. Could be a tricky one, they are 2-3 in the head to head, but haven't played for nearly 3 years.

Billabong
02-17-2004, 06:31 PM
Thanks for the info jtipson...
If Rogi wins, he plays Pavel or Youzhny!

GOOO ROGI:)!!!

kisshingis
02-18-2004, 06:18 AM
Rogi will win of course!
And I really feel upset that I can't watch his march as AO~~~

Billabong
02-18-2004, 12:21 PM
Rogi plays tonight against Clement!
GOOO ROGIIIII:)!

Doris Loeffel
02-18-2004, 04:40 PM
Good luck Roger!!

RogiFan88
02-18-2004, 05:13 PM
Go, Rogi, go!!

We want some nice results this week... first get rid of La Cle!!

;)

Rogi's playing so late... can't wait for results... impatient! :p

lsy
02-18-2004, 05:32 PM
yeah...too late for me to stay up staring at the scoreboard, so I hope I'll wake up to good result from Rogi!

Go, hopp Rogi! :)

ytben
02-18-2004, 08:48 PM
Rogi sailed to the second round! :woohoo:
6-4 6-3

Billabong
02-18-2004, 10:25 PM
Well done Rogi, you did great! Continue the good work:)!

GOOOOOO FED!!!

Dirk
02-18-2004, 11:47 PM
4 MORE THROATS TO SLICE!!!!!!!!! :crazy:

NINJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

rogicomel
02-19-2004, 01:11 AM
Keep up your winning form! And go for another win for your personal best winning streak!


Goooooo Rogi!!!!

Raquel
02-19-2004, 02:04 AM
Well done Roger :bounce:

Good luck in the second round :D

RogiFan88
02-19-2004, 02:20 AM
4 MORE THROATS TO SLICE!!!!!!!!! :crazy:

NINJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

As many as that?!!! Shudder... that's a LOT of blood, Dirk! :p

WyveN
02-19-2004, 04:05 AM
If Roger wins this tournament he will equal Andy's US winning streak last year

yanchr
02-19-2004, 04:18 AM
I try not to be too greedy, but Roger should surpass Andy in every single way. So Roger you know what you should do...

lsy
02-19-2004, 04:28 AM
yeah Rogi :clap2:

I don't really care about surpassing the winning streaks, the no.1 spot is already with the more deserving one :yippee:

ytben
02-19-2004, 05:41 AM
100% agree with you there lsy :dance:

Dirk
02-19-2004, 07:04 AM
As long as he kills Dorko and KKK Hewitt (unless Rainer gets him) I will be happy. I just can't stand that Henman has this great record over Roger!!!!!!!!!! :fiery:

rogicomel
02-19-2004, 07:29 AM
Yep, Rogi's got a very important task in Rotterdam -- beating Henman both for the sake of improving his bad records and for his #1 status!

yanchr
02-19-2004, 08:45 AM
As long as he kills Dorko and KKK Hewitt (unless Rainer gets him) I will be happy. I just can't stand that Henman has this great record over Roger!!!!!!!!!! :fiery:

I can't stand all those who have better record against Roger esp Hewitt and then Nalby. :mad: But I'm showing a little heart and respect to Tim. The young should always do so to the old. ;) Keep fingers crossed that Roger will turn over all the bad record in favor of him as time passes by.

Doris Loeffel
02-19-2004, 10:14 AM
Well done Roger and keep it up against Pavel!!

And yes start to turn that h2t against Henman!!

Action Jackson
02-19-2004, 11:04 AM
The difference with Roger's winning streak is he has done it over hardcourt, Rebound Ace, clay and indoor hardcourt I couldn't see any of the others doing that on those surfaces.

I'm sorry if Roddick played the South Dakota Open, along with the Grits championship then maybe.

RogiFan88
02-19-2004, 02:01 PM
I try not to be too greedy, but Roger should surpass Andy in every single way. So Roger you know what you should do...

Rogi does anyway... he is by far the more naturally talented and besides, he's head and shoulders above Pandy in the looks dept. :angel:

Go, ROGI!! Just beat Pavel pls and then Tim... you overcame Hewitt and Nalbers, now for Timmie!!

;)

eaglesky
02-19-2004, 03:11 PM
Roger beats Pavel !!
7:6,7:5

Dirk
02-19-2004, 03:23 PM
Hard fought win. :bounce: Ninja must be himself tomorrow and cut Timmy's throat real good. I am hoping for 3 breaks of serve in 2 sets. :devil: Roger will have to be very cautious with Timmy since Timmy is smart and has a multi-layered game. I think Pavel has more firepower so let's hope Roger can keep Tim pinned to the baseline and come to the net at his own whim.

ytben
02-19-2004, 06:12 PM
:woohoo: I didn't realize the match is so early today. When's his showdown with Timmy? Hopes Rogi can get some rest before then.

Billabong
02-19-2004, 07:09 PM
YEAH well done Rogi, continue the good work!! GOOO FED:)!!!

Raquel
02-19-2004, 11:43 PM
16 straight wins for Roger now from the beginning of the Masters Cup to today :woohoo:

Well done Roger :)

rogicomel
02-19-2004, 11:55 PM
Don't stop winning Rogi! Time for another revenge! You had it over Hewitt and Nalby, and now it's Henman!


Goooooooo Rogi!!!

lsy
02-20-2004, 09:08 AM
Didn't think of the different surfaces winning streak...well done Rogi!

I hope though he won't be thinking of that winning streaks but just concentrate on each match. Especially vs Tim tonight!

Jazzy
02-20-2004, 10:30 AM
i'm sure he can beat Tim, even if the h2h isn't favouring Rogi, but his game is too powerful for Henman!! GOOD LUCK ROGI!

Mrs. B
02-20-2004, 02:11 PM
"i'm ready to take revenge for that defeat...", announced Federer.

Genau umgekehrt lautet die Bilanz gegen den als Nummer 5 gesetzten Tim Henman (ATP 15). Den bislang einzigen Erfolg gegen Henman feierte Federer vor zwei Jahren in Miami, wobei er nach einem mit 6:2 gewonnenen Startsatz von der Aufgabe des Briten profitierte. Den letzten Vergleich entschied Henman Ende Oktober letzten Jahres in den Viertelfinals des Hallenturniers von Paris-Bercy zu seinen Gunsten. "Ich bin bereit, mich für jene Niederlage zu revanchieren", kündete Federer an.

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Hopp, Roger! :bounce:

RogiFan88
02-20-2004, 03:53 PM
So are we, Rogi... we want REVENGE!! Time is ripe for the Ninja to strike!! ;)

jtipson
02-20-2004, 04:29 PM
He *can*...it's the last nemesis, Roger!

Am going to see if I can catch this match at the gym (apparently they have Sky....), otherwise it will have to be the Rotterdam webcam :(

Mrs. B
02-20-2004, 07:40 PM
schiesstrech! :(

müesse eis neues Coach näh...
das tb isch usegheit.

tangerine_dream
02-20-2004, 07:57 PM
oops. Looks like Roger's "revenge" will have to wait another day. :sad:

But a 16-match winning streak is nothing to be ashamed about! Tim and Roger had a great match today; he just can't seem to get over the Henman hump.

I also think the Pavel match he struggled in might have chipped away at his confidence before going in to meet Tim, who owns him. :eek:

If it's any consolation, Tim has to meet with Hewitt next and Hewitt is 6-0 on him. :lol:

Anyways, chin up Roger! You'll be winning again before you know it. :dance:

ytben
02-20-2004, 08:00 PM
Rogi :sad: :sad:, damn I was reallly hoping he will get past this last hurdle. But I guess if you are in the top constantly, you miss all the drive to be better. So let's hope Rogi will take this loss positively and use it to make himself better. *try to put a positive spin to this loss*

Mrs. B
02-20-2004, 08:02 PM
yeah, Lleyton, get timbo tomorrow! :lol:
and don't forget to buy Roger a drink!

;)

Roger could use a rest in Oberwil...

Doris Loeffel
02-20-2004, 08:04 PM
Hmmm I wonder if he goes to Oberwil before heading down to Marseille
guess it would do him some good

lsy
02-20-2004, 08:06 PM
Rogi :sad: :sad:, damn I was reallly hoping he will get past this last hurdle. But I guess if you are in the top constantly, you miss all the drive to be better. So let's hope Rogi will take this loss positively and use it to make himself better. *try to put a positive spin to this loss*

haha...well so far most his fans seem to be taking it "positively" (though still very very sour :p), so I'm sure Rogi will too.

ya, Tim needs to win vs Hewitt tommorow...it's a joke that he's 6-1 vs Rogi, and 0-7 to Hewitt :(

ytben
02-20-2004, 08:14 PM
LOL, very sour indeed ;) Yeah, Tim needs to break his duck against Hewitt tomorrow. 0-7 is just too :eek:

If he won't beat Hewitt tomorrow, well I will have to start praying from now that he meet Hewitt in Wimbly before meeting Rogi ;)

lsy
02-20-2004, 08:19 PM
LOL, very sour indeed ;) Yeah, Tim needs to break his duck against Hewitt tomorrow. 0-7 is just too :eek:

If he won't beat Hewitt tomorrow, well I will have to start praying from now that he meet Hewitt in Wimbly before meeting Rogi ;)

oh yeah...that's a good one, I was just thinking of praying that I don't see Tim's name in Rogi draw in wimbly. Guess you're smarter...

Anyway, I'm gonna sleep away with "sorrow" now, good "night" everyone!

ytben
02-20-2004, 08:22 PM
Good night lsy

Mrs. B
02-20-2004, 08:26 PM
they just showed some highlights to that match on swiss tv. Timbo was agressive on the net and forced the errors on Roger.

ytben
02-20-2004, 08:32 PM
How was Rogi playing Mrs. B? Just trying to figure out how he got broken so often by Tim.

RogiFan88
02-20-2004, 08:40 PM
they just showed some highlights to that match on swiss tv. Timbo was agressive on the net and forced the errors on Roger.

I think Rogi s be able to learn fr playing and losing to Tim so often... he can really learn some great net tactics, don't you think?? Too bad his matches aren't more competitive... if he at least got a set off Tim, I wouldn't mind watching so much... just to see great S&V tennis for a change. Tim was so good in Paris... he frustrated the hell out of everyone... it was quite funny to see all his opponents smash their racquet in disgust and frustration!

Billabong
02-20-2004, 08:51 PM
Oh no!!!! I'm so sad, 5 set points wasted! I hope Rogi will find a way to beat him soon, and I know he can!

GOOOOO FED:)!!!!!!!

Mrs. B
02-20-2004, 09:05 PM
How was Rogi playing Mrs. B? Just trying to figure out how he got broken so often by Tim.

from those few points that i saw, Tim would hit a deep good angle on Roger's bh, goes to the net and forces the ue from Roger. his bh shots goes to the net. one shot Roger was on the baseline and timbo came to the net, and roger had time to make an angle or a passing shot, but he gives the shot straight to tim who volleys it out of his reach, streches him and the ball is returned out.
that match point was a lob from tim and roger retrieves it on the baseline with a hotdog, tim was at the net, volleys it to roger's fh and roger puts it to the net, game set match. most of those shots when roger's in the zone he could easily bring back, but tonight...nada.

:(

jtipson
02-20-2004, 10:27 PM
Tim was so good in Paris... he frustrated the hell out of everyone... it was quite funny to see all his opponents smash their racquet in disgust and frustration!

Unfortunately he had Roger doing that tonight, too :(


I wish Tim could take Lleyton out tomorrow (nothing against Lleyton mind), it would really be great to see him break his duck. Otherwise he ends up with a record that's worse than Roger's against him.

Sorry, I know most people here probably hate Tim right now, but he's a good lad really :), and great to watch in this form - as well as being my second fav after Roger. Anyway, he's 29, and probably won't be around as long as current top players.

WyveN
02-20-2004, 10:38 PM
It is a shame that he lost to Henman of all players but I guess it is ironic the streak started & ended with the same player.

Roger always emphasises learning from matches and he certainly can learn from this as he should have won the second set comfortably.

Henman played well, Federer was poor. Henman's medium pace caused Fed
problems, but his serve was also way off and his backhand looked
erratic.

Fed was twice up a break in the second and 5-1 up the tie-break - a
poor performance. Summed up on match point when he dithered on a
possible smash and instead ran back and played a "hot dog"
through-the-legs shot.

After such a run, a flat match is nothing to be ashamed off though, and he needs the rest with his schedule so on to the next tourney!

Sjengster
02-21-2004, 02:34 AM
"Henman of all players"? There's no shame in losing to Henman, he has an absolutely unique game that's one of the hardest for Federer to combat. And it's hardly ironic that Henman both started and stopped the winning streak given the way his game matches up well against Federer's. I've said it before and I'll say it again, there are plenty of good reasons why Henman keeps beating him. Equally, there are plenty of things that Federer has to do differently and execute better in order to get a win against Henman. And the reason why his serve looked poor is because so many normally winning deliveries were being blocked back into play by Henman at full stretch, forcing Federer into a baseline rally.

Jazzy
02-21-2004, 04:05 AM
he lost!!! :sad: :bigcry: :(
i really thought he had Henman this time, & now his winning streak of 16 has ended!!
on the bright side 16 straight wins is quite an effert for Rogi!!

yanchr
02-21-2004, 05:48 AM
I wish I could watch the match myself to figure out why Tim's game is always bothering Roger that much esp after reading all the reports there. I'm curious...

Good thing is that Roger looked positive after that and already tried to learn sth from the match and decided to give his gameplan some change next time they meet, just like what he did to Nalby. I believe Roger is smart enough to figure out what's wrong with his game against Tim. I'm eager to see their next match, but not in Wimby... Tim is to be taken out before he has the chance to challenge Roger if he is in Roger's draw, I firmly believe that and surely hope so.

In fact I tend to like Tim even before I found out Roger, so Tim you should do sth to Hewitt to turn the poor record a little bit on your road. Don't make Roger like a total fool.

yanchr
02-21-2004, 05:56 AM
Unfortunately he had Roger doing that tonight, too :(


I just caught sight of that racquet-smashing-to-death thing from Roger in the news.
Should say that Tim is really sth...No one has made Roger act like that in my relatively short memory...and even twice

Dirk
02-21-2004, 06:33 AM
Roger should be destroying Tim from the baseline. I don't see how blocking it back would work but clearly Roger just was not patient today. Tim has that game we rarely see nowadays but still Roger should not be losing to him this much. ROger doesn't need more rest, he had last week off. Roger can do playing of resting in his hotel room in France. He needs to get back to his Ninja self. Roger has once again errored himself to death (not including the tiebreaker and I believe Sjeng's reporting on that) . We want Ninja not Ninja's shadow. :(

Action Jackson
02-21-2004, 07:41 AM
You have a hard time seeing a lot of things Dirk and your above post just proved this even more so.

Sjengster and I were discussing this on GM, but I thought I would post this here.

Yes, Roger has a poor record against Henman but it has been to Henman's advantage that most of their matches have been on very fast surfaces except for Vienna.

Federer needs to find a balance against Henman, of course he has to step in and attack Henman's serve, though at the same time he should try some no pace dinks at the volleyer. If they can get into rallies that is when he should start hitting heavily spun shots to Henman and that might be able to keep him off balance, though on the faster surfaces this tactic is harder for him.

Federer actually should be improving his defensive abilities good for him, yes of course he is never going to be the greatest counter-puncher on earth, but it will come in very handy when his main game isn't working as well, playing a bit ugly at times and defending, more than likely he will be able to create some chances from his defensive skills, just depends on whether he can be patient enough. No, I don't want him to change his game, just improve his defensive abilities.

Of all the meetings they have never met on clay, and that would be very interesting to see what the result would be?

The clay scenario I just hope it isn't similar to the Muster/Edberg matches no matter even if it was on clay Edberg seemed to win, and no Roger's 1 victory doesn't count as legit in my eyes, he needs to beat Henman when a match has been completed.

ytben
02-21-2004, 08:11 AM
Thanks Mrs. B for the insight.

ytben
02-21-2004, 08:21 AM
Did Rogi really break his racket? Yeah, looks like Timmy's game match up really well with Rogi. Hopefully this loss will make Rogi a better player.

yanchr
02-21-2004, 09:27 AM
I do hope Roger does visit here and GM to read all the analyses from some wise onlookers here. It could be of help since onlookers often see most of the game and probably more clearly.

WyveN
02-21-2004, 09:34 AM
"Henman of all players"?

You misunderstood, I was referring to the fact that he lost to the one player he has a shocking record against thus making their head to head even worse. I would rather he lost to Pavel.

Action Jackson
02-21-2004, 09:48 AM
I think most people would have Pavel needs a bit of a break with results, and not toothless Tiger Tim. The difference is that the British media will hype Henman to back and beyond, whilst he will have a glorious failure when it counts, that's why it's better that he lost to Pavel and not Henman.

WyveN
02-21-2004, 11:01 AM
While Henman's game is unique I really do consider him a average player wildly hyped up by the Brits.
Certainly he gives Federer problems but his poor results at 3/4 slams say it all really.

Dirk
02-21-2004, 01:05 PM
Uh no George by patient which it what I typed I mean extending the points. So your point was address. I just didn't type out a tactic like you did. Roger will get with it. He does some stupid things at times but overall is very tennis savvy. Roger's defensive skills are very good otherwise he would have won as much as he has. Roger just didn't use the right plan out there yesterday. I would be far more worried if Roger didn't have the tools to beat Timmy but since he does I am not. I just wish he didn't have to lose to someone 4 or 5 times in order to form a winning plan. :rolleyes:

RogiFan88
02-21-2004, 01:22 PM
I do hope Roger does visit here and GM to read all the analyses from some wise onlookers here. It could be of help since onlookers often see most of the game and probably more clearly.

I doubt it...

Jazzy
02-22-2004, 02:58 AM
Did Rogi really break his racket? Yeah, looks like Timmy's game match up really well with Rogi. Hopefully this loss will make Rogi a better player.

ROGI broke his racket?!!! WOW i've never seen (heard) him be like that b4!! I hope ur right about him benifiting from the loss!!

LCeh
02-22-2004, 03:54 AM
ROGI broke his racket?!!! WOW i've never seen (heard) him be like that b4!! I hope ur right about him benifiting from the loss!!

When Rogi was young, he threw racquets like there was no tomorrow. He would be swearing, yelling at points he lost. He described it like this "If I lose one point, I am fine. If I lose two, I am unhappy. After three I am angry."

He has changed A LOT since hehe ;)

Tingu
02-22-2004, 04:32 AM
yeh he has changed a lot if he did that

jtipson
02-22-2004, 09:55 AM
ROGI broke his racket?!!! WOW i've never seen (heard) him be like that b4!! I hope ur right about him benifiting from the loss!!

Last time he played Tim at Bercy he broke one too. It had been quite a while since he'd done anything like that. Still, at least with Roger it's just a single swipe and it's over, no mouthing off to the umpire, linesmen etc, like some other players...