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Which Records Will Go?

All_Slam_Andre
09-30-2006, 11:39 AM
The important tennis records (strictly in the open era) that I can think of are:
1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)
2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105)
3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4)
4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6)
5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7)
6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5)
7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5)
8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17)
9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977)
10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286)
11. Most Consecutive Weeks At No. 1 - Connors (160)
12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6)
13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46)
14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29)
15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting)
16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting)
17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56)

Which records do you think the members of the current generation can break if they haven't done so already?

For me:
1 - Federer has a good chance
2 - Absolutely no chance of being broken.
3 - Federer is already half way there so he has a chance. Nadal should also do well on rebound ace so maybe he'll have a chance
4 - Nadal looks unstoppable on clay at the moment. He is still a long way off but he definately has a chance
5 - Federer has a good chance as he has no serious challengers on grass
6 - Again Federer has a good chance as he is streets ahead on the fast surfaces.
7 - I can't see this being broken. Federer will get close but I think he'll just fall short.
8 - Federer and Nadal have a great chance. I would be very surprised if both of them didn't surpass this record.
9 - I can't see this being broken as this would require a long schedule and next to no defeats.
10 - I can't see this being broken
11 - Federer is certain to break this record
12 - I can't see this being broken
13 - Federer got to 35 in a row last year before losing the Shanghai final. I don't think he'll get any closer than that. This record should survive.
14 - Federer got to 27 in a row before losing the French Open final. Again, I think he's missed his best shot and that this record will survive.
15 - Nadal should continue to add significantly to this record
16 - Federer should continue to add significantly to this record.
17 - Can't see this being broken for the forseeable future.

Horatio Caine
09-30-2006, 01:10 PM
OMG...just looking at those is putting a strain on my brain :scratch:

stebs
09-30-2006, 01:24 PM
Agree with most of what you said. Can't see Federer surpassing 4 AO titles. At best he might equal that but he won't win 5.

Number 13 is so irritating. Federer had 51 victories with only 1 defeat and that defeat was 6-7 in the fifth set when he was 30-0 serving for the match. It's a shame he couldn't take that match and that record but i guess you can't win 'em all even if you are Roger.

Melvins
09-30-2006, 01:36 PM
All is possible in futures! Fews records is hard to be break because tennis is different.

1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)

I think that Federer will break it.

2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105)

Nah! Will survive by many years!

3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4)

Will be break! Maybe not by Federer, but any good player can beat this record. Is'nt important.

4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6)

It's hard, maybe Nadal.

5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7)

It's hard too, maybe Federer.

6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5)

Federer is close, depend of next years.

7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5)

I don't believe it in next years.

8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17)

Federer and Nadal will break it.

9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977)

Nah! Never!

10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286)

I don't know. I hope not! It's bad to ATP!

11. Most Consecutive Weeks At No. 1 - Connors (160)

Federer

12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6)

Hard but not impossible!

13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46)

Maybe, I don't know.

14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29)

Not in next years!

15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting)

Impossible. I don't believe in next (maybe 50) years.

16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting)

It's more easy beat this record, but it's very hard.

17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56)

Maybe, I don't know. It's HARD. :lol:

stebs
09-30-2006, 01:50 PM
I think Federer will break the masters series record but I don't think he will hold that recod for long. Assuming he plays for a long while Nadal should end up with a gross amount of Masters Series titles. He has already won more than everyone barring Chang, Muster, Federer, Sampras and Agassi. Assuming he wins an average of at least 3 every two years (1.5 per year) for the next 4 years he will have 12 by the time he is 23/24. If he can keep dominating clay like he is now for 2 more years he will have probably 14 in 4 years time.

All of these are subject to change though, who knows what will happen in the future? I certainly don't.

FSRteam
09-30-2006, 02:07 PM
Agree with most of what you said. Can't see Federer surpassing 4 AO titles. At best he might equal that but he won't win 5.

Number 13 is so irritating. Federer had 51 victories with only 1 defeat and that defeat was 6-7 in the fifth set when he was 30-0 serving for the match. It's a shame he couldn't take that match and that record but i guess you can't win 'em all even if you are Roger.

I don't agree. When you see how he plays on rebound ace (cf last davis cup tie) I can certainly imagine him winning 3-4 more titles in australia. I don't think he has less chances than beating the 5 usopen titles record!

stebs
09-30-2006, 02:09 PM
I don't agree. When you see how he plays on rebound ace (cf last davis cup tie) I can certainly imagine him winning 3-4 more titles in australia. I don't think he has less chances than beating the 5 usopen titles record!
More players can beat him on the AO surface than on the US Open surface.

FSRteam
09-30-2006, 02:18 PM
More players can beat him on the AO surface than on the US Open surface.

Like who, except rafa!?!

Breakdown
09-30-2006, 03:00 PM
Why in hell nobody won AO more than 4 times???
Can it be put down to the early start of the season, horrid weather conditions(heat, humidity,etc.), constantly changing surface which makes it difficult to adjust?
I don't think it's a record worth mentioning;
Roger may never win it again, it's fine with me:worship:

TheMightyFed
09-30-2006, 03:15 PM
Masters Series record is a great thing but in the long run it's meaningless: They didn't exist before 1990 and will disapear soon...
Fed should beat the Sampras records, these matter the most, especially with his game. Some of the others are more anecdotic than anythin. You didn't mention the finals in a row record (24) of Fed but it's a huge feat.

DrJules
09-30-2006, 03:17 PM
In order of likelihood:

11. Most Consecutive Weeks At No. 1 - Connors (160) : Federer in Feb 2006.
8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17) : Federer/Nadal almost certain in career.

5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7) :Federer possiby.
6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5) :Federer possiby.
7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5) :Federer possiby.
1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14) : Federer possibly.
4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6) : Nadal possibly.

3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4) : Federer outside chance



10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286) : Unlikely, but possibly Federer.
12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6) : Doubt it.

15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting) : Very unlikely.
16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting) : Very unlikely.
17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56) : Very unlikely.
2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105) : Very unlikely.

13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46) : Almost impossible.
9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977) : Almost impossible.
14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29) : Almost impossible.

DrJules
09-30-2006, 03:19 PM
Why in hell nobody won AO more than 4 times???


Record only relates to the Open era.

TennisGrandSlam
10-01-2006, 06:44 AM
The important tennis records (strictly in the open era) that I can think of are:
1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)
2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105)
3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4)
4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6)
5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7)
6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5)
7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5)
8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17)
9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977)
10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286)
11. Most Consecutive Weeks At No. 1 - Connors (160)
12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6)
13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46)
14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29)
15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting)
16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting)
17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56)

Which records do you think the members of the current generation can break if they haven't done so already?

For me:
1 - Federer has a good chance
2 - Absolutely no chance of being broken.
3 - Federer is already half way there so he has a chance. Nadal should also do well on rebound ace so maybe he'll have a chance
4 - Nadal looks unstoppable on clay at the moment. He is still a long way off but he definately has a chance
5 - Federer has a good chance as he has no serious challengers on grass
6 - Again Federer has a good chance as he is streets ahead on the fast surfaces.
7 - I can't see this being broken. Federer will get close but I think he'll just fall short.
8 - Federer and Nadal have a great chance. I would be very surprised if both of them didn't surpass this record.
9 - I can't see this being broken as this would require a long schedule and next to no defeats.
10 - I can't see this being broken
11 - Federer is certain to break this record
12 - I can't see this being broken
13 - Federer got to 35 in a row last year before losing the Shanghai final. I don't think he'll get any closer than that. This record should survive.
14 - Federer got to 27 in a row before losing the French Open final. Again, I think he's missed his best shot and that this record will survive.
15 - Nadal should continue to add significantly to this record
16 - Federer should continue to add significantly to this record.
17 - Can't see this being broken for the forseeable future.



You miss 1 record to mention:


Most win in single calendar year - Vilas (I don't know 145 or 128, ATP claims Vilas is 128-14, but many media claims 145-14)

I think Vilas is underrated! :rolleyes:

Boris Franz Ecker
10-01-2006, 07:56 AM
Federer can break all records except for the 6 titles at French Open.
The most difficult one is the 105 title-record.

Nadal may have a chance of beating the 6-titles French Open record.

16 titles in one season is also very difficult.
I think, if Federer wants this record he gets it.
But I don't think, it's really important for him.
Like some other records.

TennisGrandSlam
10-01-2006, 08:03 AM
Federer can break all records except for the 6 titles at French Open.
The most difficult one is the 105 title-record.

Nadal may have a chance of beating the 6-titles French Open record.

16 titles in one season is also very difficult.
I think, if Federer wants this record he gets it.
But I don't think, it's really important for him.
Like some other records.


Masters Series Race Systems limits the players to win more titles.

Breakdown
10-01-2006, 08:12 AM
Federer doesn't need to win 16+ titles a year;
Nowadays it's impossible for anyone

5-10 titles a year from 2007 to 2010 will be not-that-bad:angel:

Boris Franz Ecker
10-01-2006, 08:22 AM
You miss 1 record to mention:


Most win in single calendar year - Vilas (I don't know 145 or 128, ATP claims Vilas is 128-14, but many media claims 145-14)

I think Vilas is underrated! :rolleyes:

I rather think Vilas is overrated cause he won 4 Grand Slam titles.
But in reality we can nearly forget the two Australian Open he won.
And 77 the unbeatable Borg didn't play French Open...
Ok, there's one US Open left.
And one of the first YE-championships.

TennisGrandSlam
10-01-2006, 08:24 AM
I rather think Vilas is overrated cause he won 4 Grand Slam titles.
But in reality we can nearly forget the two Australian Open he won.
And 77 the unbeatable Borg didn't play French Open...
Ok, there's one US Open left.
And one of the first YE-championships.

1977, Vilas was the actual NO.1 ATP player!

Naranoc
10-01-2006, 08:27 AM
Is the Australian Open considered a 'Mickey Mouse' Grand Slam then?

stebs
10-01-2006, 09:11 AM
Is the Australian Open considered a 'Mickey Mouse' Grand Slam then?
Not so much anymore but in the early days of the open era and the days of Borg/Mac etc... That is why they don't have titles there, the big guns of the past didn't bother showing up except once or twice.

buzz
10-01-2006, 09:43 AM
Why in hell nobody won AO more than 4 times???:

Agassi probably could have made 5 or 6. It really is a shame he didn't play those years! I think he was at least as strong as Sampras/Conners at the US. This record of 4 AO titles can obviously be broken.

And I think the 46 consecutive victories can actualy be broken by Federer. If he manages to win averything untill the french open final he will be there. I doubt he will win the AO but I think Federer has proven he can win any of those titles and he has proven he is very consistant.

stebs
10-01-2006, 09:53 AM
Agassi probably could have made 5 or 6. It really is a shame he didn't play those years! I think he was at least as strong as Sampras/Conners at the US. This record of 4 AO titles can obviously be broken.

And I think the 46 consecutive victories can actualy be broken by Federer. If he manages to win averything untill the french open final he will be there. I doubt he will win the AO but I think Federer has proven he can win any of those titles and he has proven he is very consistant.

I don't think so. Federer had his chance to beat that record and missed it by losing to Nalby in Shanghai. Had he won that match he would have beaten that record but he didn't and I don't think he will. To get to 46 wins from now he would have to win:

Tokyo - 14 matches
Madrid/Paris (he will not play both) - 19 matches
Basel - 24 matches
TMC - 29 matches
Doha - 34 matches
AO - 41 matches
Dubai - 46 matches

Then a match in Indian Wells. When you look at it like that you see just how hard that would be. It is no small feat. I for one don't think Roger will ever do it, as I said, he missed his chance.

SpECiaL K
10-01-2006, 10:04 AM
sorry...
but the ao record isn't 6 of roy emerson (1961/1963-1967)???

stebs
10-01-2006, 10:06 AM
sorry...
but the ao record isn't 6 of roy emerson (1961/1963-1967)???

These are open era records ;) :)

SpECiaL K
10-01-2006, 10:07 AM
These are open era records ;) :)

:p ;)

buzz
10-01-2006, 10:10 AM
I don't think so. Federer had his chance to beat that record and missed it by losing to Nalby in Shanghai. Had he won that match he would have beaten that record but he didn't and I don't think he will. To get to 46 wins from now he would have to win:

Tokyo - 14 matches
Madrid/Paris (he will not play both) - 19 matches
Basel - 24 matches
TMC - 29 matches
Doha - 34 matches
AO - 41 matches
Dubai - 46 matches

Then a match in Indian Wells. When you look at it like that you see just how hard that would be. It is no small feat. I for one don't think Roger will ever do it, as I said, he missed his chance.

I said I doubt it meaning it would be unlikely, but still I think his chances to break this record haven't become smaller! Last two years it could have happened with some more luck, and I think it could happen this year or next with some luck. I would say 50% chance it happens ones in the next three years after that it would be almost impossible for him.

I agree with your list of tournaments. Thanks for making it

Boris Franz Ecker
10-01-2006, 10:25 AM
Why in hell nobody won AO more than 4 times???
Can it be put down to the early start of the season, horrid weather conditions(heat, humidity,etc.), constantly changing surface which makes it difficult to adjust?
I don't think it's a record worth mentioning;
Roger may never win it again, it's fine with me:worship:

This tournament has no long tradition as an important Grand Slam tournament.
And of course, it wasn't Sampras' main focus.

Rogiman
10-01-2006, 10:30 AM
These are here to stay:

1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)
2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105)
4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6)
5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7)
9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977)
10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286)
12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6)
13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46)
14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29)
15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting)
16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting)
17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56)

Daniel
10-02-2006, 04:48 AM
These are here to stay:

1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)




Federer will break this one. :)

CmonAussie
10-02-2006, 04:59 AM
The important tennis records (strictly in the open era) that I can think of are:
1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)
2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105)
3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4)
4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6)
5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7)
6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5)
7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5)
8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17)
9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977)
10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286)

:wavey: :cool:
1. Federer (16):worship:
2. Connors:p
3. Agassi & Federer (4)
4. Borg & Nadal (6)
5. Sampras & Federer (7)
6. Connors & Sampras & Federer (5)
7. Lendl & Sampras & Federer (5)
8. Federer (20~)
9. Vilas:eek:
10. Federer (350~)
;) :cool: ;) :cool: ;) :cool: ;) :cool: ;) :cool: Basically Fed will equal or break a lot of them:angel: !!!

Breakdown
10-02-2006, 10:51 AM
1. Federer (16)
2. Connors
3. Agassi & Federer (4)
4. Borg & Nadal (6)
5. Sampras & Federer (7)
6. Connors & Sampras & Federer (5)
7. Lendl & Sampras & Federer (5)
8. Federer (20~)
9. Vilas
10. Federer (350~)
Basically Fed will equal or break a lot of them !!!

Amen to that!:wavey: :angel:

FSRteam
10-02-2006, 11:12 AM
I don't think so. Federer had his chance to beat that record and missed it by losing to Nalby in Shanghai. Had he won that match he would have beaten that record but he didn't and I don't think he will. To get to 46 wins from now he would have to win:

Tokyo - 14 matches
Madrid/Paris (he will not play both) - 19 matches
Basel - 24 matches
TMC - 29 matches
Doha - 34 matches
AO - 41 matches
Dubai - 46 matches

Then a match in Indian Wells. When you look at it like that you see just how hard that would be. It is no small feat. I for one don't think Roger will ever do it, as I said, he missed his chance.

I think he can do it!!!

basel-paris (I think he'll skip madrid)-TMC will however be hard to win but if he stays healthy, I am sure he can win them all! Then doha, AO and dubai, I don't see why he couldn't, except with an in-form nadal on the way...

Dancing Hero
10-02-2006, 11:53 AM
Well, Federer won't break Borg's French Open record, that's for sure! :D

He won't reach Connors total of titles either. He might reach 5 US Open titles.
Won't win 16 titles in a season.
Won't surpass Lendl and Sampras at the Masters Cup.

Federer may or may not surpass Sampras GS record. Got to win 6 more which is not certain at all. Hard to forecast what will happen in the future. Borg retired near the top of the game at a young age.


Federer has a good chance with the other records.

buzz
01-25-2007, 02:45 PM
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The important tennis records (strictly in the open era) that I can think of are:
1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)
2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105)
3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4)
4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6)
5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7)
6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5)
7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5)
8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17)
9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977)
10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286)
11. Most Consecutive Weeks At No. 1 - Connors (160)
12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6)
13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46)
14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29)
15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting)
16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting)
17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56)

Which records do you think the members of the current generation can break if they haven't done so already?

For me:
1 - Federer has a good chance
2 - Absolutely no chance of being broken.
3 - Federer is already half way there so he has a chance. Nadal should also do well on rebound ace so maybe he'll have a chance
4 - Nadal looks unstoppable on clay at the moment. He is still a long way off but he definately has a chance
5 - Federer has a good chance as he has no serious challengers on grass
6 - Again Federer has a good chance as he is streets ahead on the fast surfaces.
7 - I can't see this being broken. Federer will get close but I think he'll just fall short.
8 - Federer and Nadal have a great chance. I would be very surprised if both of them didn't surpass this record.
9 - I can't see this being broken as this would require a long schedule and next to no defeats.
10 - I can't see this being broken
11 - Federer is certain to break this record
12 - I can't see this being broken
13 - Federer got to 35 in a row last year before losing the Shanghai final. I don't think he'll get any closer than that. This record should survive.
14 - Federer got to 27 in a row before losing the French Open final. Again, I think he's missed his best shot and that this record will survive.
15 - Nadal should continue to add significantly to this record
16 - Federer should continue to add significantly to this record.
17 - Can't see this being broken for the forseeable future.

Federer is on 35 again with only hardcourts on his scheduel. And his form against Roddick today(~yesterday~) and Nadal in the master cup make me think he has a very good chance to break it this year!

Also In his press conference today he mentioned the total titles record of Conners. He said:
Absolutely. There's plenty I need to do before I'm the best of all time. So far away from beating the No. 1 ‑‑ weeks at No. 1, Slams I'm still five away. Jimmy Connors has 108 titles. I have 45. How can you put me in front of him in terms of titles? It's still farfetched. If I go at the pace I'm going right now, of course I'll break all records. Nobody's ever done that.
It seems like he thinks he even has some kind of dream to surpass it like he thinks he has a chance......

TheMightyFed
01-25-2007, 02:49 PM
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Jimmy Connors has 108 titles. I have 45. How can you put me in front of him in terms of titles? It's still farfetched. If I go at the pace I'm going right now, of course I'll break all records. Nobody's ever done that. [/I]
It seems like he thinks he even has some kind of dream to surpass it like he thinks he has a chance......

scary...
even his fans are in disbelief :confused:

Magus13
01-25-2007, 03:04 PM
Another record Fed might set is to win all ATP Masters. He need Paris, Rome and Monte Carlo. I think Agassis has won 7 of nine and as of now Fed has 6 of 9