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Federer's assessment of various players

rofe
09-29-2006, 06:52 PM
Since there was a thread recently on Fed's mistake when he talked in public about a player ( for an example see the Fed on Djokovic thread) and the subsequent uproar, here is a nice counter example. Someone on the BBC forum posted this:


Federer was on swiss radio DSL giving his analysis on other players here's what he said about some players (hope it makes sense i translated it from Swiss German)

safin..."Safin is very unlucky he had a few injuries that set him back and I don't think he's got the right entourage, if he buckles down he can push me and everyone else in the atp all the way, he's very athletic and has perhaps one of the greatest baseline strokes, he's fantastic when on form"

rafa..."I think he's tremendously fit and has that connar's art of never giving up and tracking every single shot, he's one of those players who always tries to retrieve a smash. He's actually a very intelligent player he reads the game well but its his physique that gets more attention. He's also starting to get more confident on surfaces other than clay, he had his best Wimbledon and his best US open this year, so I expect him to push me all the way come 2007."

nalby.."I don't know what to make of david, he's talented but just hasn't been able to make that breakthrough yet, he did well in Shanghai but if we're serious he's underperformed when you consider his potential as a player. But I think he'll use the Davis Cup final against Russia to really stake his claim in people's minds."

roddick.."he went through a well documented blip, but i think he's past that. as a player he's now more confident, i don't know ho much of that is down to Connors, in the US open he was more adventurous playing me than he ever has been, he wasn't afraid to come to the net and started to read my game well at the end of the first set and handled the momentum well in the second, his less erratic in a match."

blake.. "he's one of those players that improves with age, he's 26 but it feels like he's just started to warm up, the way he came back from the injury he sustained tells you he's a fighter both physically and mentally."

murray.. "he's definitely one of the younger ones to watch, people said I tanked in Cinci but I think that's disrespectful to me as a person and to Andy as a player, yes i was tired but he took full advantage of my mistakes not all players can do that. he's also very tactical, which personally I like to see more of in the circuit."

baghdatis “he reminds of Becker, he’s got heart and plays not only for himself but for the crowd. In match’s his got the work ethic of Jim Courier, he can play you point for point, like if your serving 40 love he’s still run to retrieve the ball like it was deuce. He doesn’t think this point doesn’t matter I’ll give it all in the next game. He’s always happy both on and of court. I like him allot”

Bremen
09-29-2006, 06:56 PM
I agree with a lot of his comments...not too sure about Murray though. Glad to see he likes Baggy who is becoming one of my favourite players.

mangoes
09-29-2006, 07:19 PM
Very fair assessments of the other players.

DDrago2
09-29-2006, 07:27 PM
Who would say Federer thinks all this, on court he looks like he has no opinion of anything, realy

ExpectedWinner
09-29-2006, 07:31 PM
Heh, it's all bs, you know, he has to play these clowns up, to give an illusion that there's some competition after all. :devil:

alfonsojose
09-29-2006, 07:31 PM
:yawn:

MariaV
09-29-2006, 07:44 PM
Yeah, good assessment. And even if I'm not a hard core fan of Baggy I like his sunny personality on court and his game, and about Murray - he IS tactically very smart, all you Murray hatas.... :p and the same goes for Rafa! Now you can bash me as much as you like. :D :wavey:

Halba
09-29-2006, 07:50 PM
Heh, it's all bs, you know, he has to play these clowns up, to give an illusion that there's some competition after all.

despite his positive comments, Federer is leaps and bounds away from anyone else(wayyy above Rafa's hard court or grass level)

Neverstopfightin
09-29-2006, 07:50 PM
Time for cleaning-up Roger's image :rolls:

tangerine_dream
09-29-2006, 07:58 PM
Federer on the outside:
"I think he's tremendously fit and has that connar's art of never giving up and tracking every single shot, he's one of those players who always tries to retrieve a smash. He's actually a very intelligent player he reads the game well but its his physique that gets more attention. He's also starting to get more confident on surfaces other than clay, he had his best Wimbledon and his best US open this year, so I expect him to push me all the way come 2007."

Federer on the inside:
How in the hell does this cheating, one-dimensional weird clay cretin beat my beautiful, sublime game most of the time?

Federer on the outside:
"he went through a well documented blip, but i think he's past that. as a player he's now more confident, i don't know ho much of that is down to Connors, in the US open he was more adventurous playing me than he ever has been, he wasn't afraid to come to the net and started to read my game well at the end of the first set and handled the momentum well in the second, his less erratic in a match."

Federer on the inside:
I really didn't see too much difference between the "old Roddick" and this "new Roddick" when I beat him again for the nth time in a row.

:lol: ;)

cmurray
09-29-2006, 08:07 PM
So...the fed-man can say nice stuff too... I guess he says whatever's on his mind at the time of the interview. I thought he was at his "worst" after he lost to Rafa in Rome. Maybe he was just extra pissed at the time. It makes me like him a little better that he seems susceptible to the "moment".

Neverstopfightin
09-29-2006, 08:38 PM
That's what he could have said on Ferrero :" I played him at Aus Open 2004 when both were fighting to take the number one spot . A year later we met again at Dubai , we were warminp up on court and the tournament speaker presenting players then I noticed that man said Ferrero was at 98th entry ranking position and it was like WTF :confused: :eek: . After that shocking moment I stared at Mirka and realized I was very lucky to have a person like her at my side , a woman that gives me stability . I guess JCF hasn't been as lucky as me or maybe he goes to many parties with or without Patricia , I mean a lot of hangovers are bad above all when you have to play the first turn of the day . "

vincayou
09-29-2006, 08:39 PM
And what about Djokovic Roger?

"Well, I think he's a joke".

MariaV
09-29-2006, 08:40 PM
So...the fed-man can say nice stuff too... I guess he says whatever's on his mind at the time of the interview. I thought he was at his "worst" after he lost to Rafa in Rome. Maybe he was just extra pissed at the time. It makes me like him a little better that he seems susceptible to the "moment".

Of course he was extra pissed the, 2 MPs wasted! And that was an AWESOME match IMO, both knew the importance of it. This is one of the best matches of the year IMO.

MisterQ
09-29-2006, 08:49 PM
on Agassi (speaking this past summer):

“We are losing a big legend of the game, so it’s never pleasant,” said triple Wimbledon champion Federer. “But I think he’s had a terrific career. I was lucky enough to play against him. Maybe we’ll play more, maybe here, maybe down in America.”

Federer failed in his bid to complete his grand slam collection by winning the French Open earlier this month and the Swiss hailed Agassi’s achievement in winning all four grand slams during his career.

“It’s an incredible effort. It is an incredible achievement to win all four grand slams. “The way he did it, it was basically unexpected both times.

To win Wimbledon, he beat Goran (Ivanisevic in 1992). Nobody really expected him to win here.

“To win at the French (Open in 1999) against (Ukraine’s Andrei) Medvedev, that came as a surprise, too, although he should have won earlier.”

Federer last played Agassi in the US Open final last September when he subdued the Las Vegan to win in four sets.

“He’s aggressive non-stop. That’s his game. He’s definitely not going to change it because of the opponent or anything,” Federer said.

“He always stays aggressive no matter how the opponent plays. That you have to admire.

“He was one of the best returners in the game, obviously one of the most colourful personalities from going where he came from, then coming all the way and still playing today at 36 years old.”

http://www.paktribune.com/sports/newsdetail.php?nid=494

soraya
09-29-2006, 09:47 PM
fair, honest and no pretense as usual.

Apemant
09-29-2006, 10:02 PM
Spot on. Federer displays good insight and intelligence, which is completely consistent with his performance on-court.

Tangy, a rather pathetic attempt :nerner: of ironizing perfectly truthful remarks by Federer. Incidently, the way Fed speaks about Nadal agrees 98% with what I myself really believe about him (Nadal). Many people fail to recognize Rafa's intelligence, blinded by his impressive physique. It (Rafa's intelligence) also shows in his interviews, but again, some don't see it because of his really awful english. :rolleyes: He really should try to improve on that field as well...

Seraphim
09-29-2006, 10:29 PM
And what about Djokovic Roger?

"Well, I think he's a joke".


Your paraphrasing.

GlennMirnyi
09-29-2006, 10:33 PM
He's very nice.

Hagar
09-29-2006, 11:03 PM
Spot on. Federer displays good insight and intelligence, which is completely consistent with his performance on-court.

Tangy, a rather pathetic attempt :nerner: of ironizing perfectly truthful remarks by Federer. Incidently, the way Fed speaks about Nadal agrees 98% with what I myself really believe about him (Nadal). Many people fail to recognize Rafa's intelligence, blinded by his impressive physique. It (Rafa's intelligence) also shows in his interviews, but again, some don't see it because of his really awful english. :rolleyes: He really should try to improve on that field as well...

Fed knows and loves tennis so no surprise his comments are correct and respectful. I've said it before and I say it once again: what a tennisplayer and what a man!
And about Baghdatis, don't know but every time I see him play, I just feel he's destined for great things.

GlennMirnyi
09-29-2006, 11:19 PM
Fed knows and loves tennis so no surprise his comments are correct and respectful. I've said it before and I say it once again: what a tennisplayer and what a man!
And about Baghdatis, don't know but every time I see him play, I just feel he's destined for great things.

I like him, but I think he's destined to be another Nalbandian. No important titles.

Merton
09-30-2006, 01:38 AM
Thanks for the report rofe, nothing really new but it is nice to have Roger's opinion on record.

Broomie
09-30-2006, 03:52 AM
If someone could tell me what he meant by safin does not have a good entourage? Is he talking about lundgren?:confused: That would be rude! :eek:
Are these recent opinions?

Skyward
09-30-2006, 04:00 AM
If someone could tell me what he meant by safin does not have a good entourage? Is he talking about lundgren?:confused: That would be rude! :eek:
Are these recent opinions?

Here we go. Now this thread has a potential to reach 27 pages/500 posts. :rolleyes:

atheneglaukopis
09-30-2006, 04:01 AM
If someone could tell me what he meant by safin does not have a good entourage? Is he talking about lundgren?:confused: That would be rude! :eek:
Are these recent opinions?He and Lundgren haven't worked together since...Wimbledon, I think. Their split hasn't been confirmed, but Peter's already looking for a new job with the British Davis Cup team. Alexander Volkov worked with him at the US Open and Davis Cup, and he's agreed to continue as a temporary measure for the rest of the season, but no one's spotted him in Bangkok this week. :shrug: Anyway, Volkov (or "Sasha", as he's known in the Safin forum) has business responsibilities and a family in Russia, so that arrangement's not likely to be long term.

mangoes
09-30-2006, 04:07 AM
If someone could tell me what he meant by safin does not have a good entourage? Is he talking about lundgren?:confused: That would be rude! :eek:
Are these recent opinions?

Entourage can also include persons other than coach.

star
09-30-2006, 04:07 AM
baghdatis “he reminds of Becker, he’s got heart and plays not only for himself but for the crowd. In match’s his got the work ethic of Jim Courier, he can play you point for point, like if your serving 40 love he’s still run to retrieve the ball like it was deuce. He doesn’t think this point doesn’t matter I’ll give it all in the next game. He’s always happy both on and of court. I like him allot”

This is like Becker? Becker wasn't happy on the court. He was angst ridden. Does anyone else remember those agonizing conversations with his hand? Plus Baghdatis's game is nothing like Becker's.

sawan66278
09-30-2006, 04:12 AM
Roger talking about Safin's entourage will surely rub Marat the wrong way...how could it not? Subtletly is not one of Roger's strong points...sometimes it is better to keep some assessments to yourself...especially if you are coming from a different cultural background. Again, while he did say some honest and nice words about his opponents, he should stick to their games on court...and not talk about the external factors off-court...That would be like Marat saying, "Roger's fitness is underrated, but everytime he goes on a vacation with Mirka, he puts on the pounds...I think he should if he took less trips with her, he would be in better shape year-round";)

Broomie
09-30-2006, 04:14 AM
Here we go. Now this thread has a potential to reach 27 pages/500 posts. :rolleyes:
I just asked an open question. If you have an idea of what he meant i'd like to read it.
I know he did not necessarily mean lundgren, but if not, who/what do you think it could be.
{I was not attacking fed considering that I do like him ;) }

Merton
09-30-2006, 04:17 AM
This is like Becker? Becker wasn't happy on the court. He was angst ridden. Does anyone else remember those agonizing conversations with his hand? Plus Baghdatis's game is nothing like Becker's.

The funny thing is that Marcos' game has the most similarity to Roger from all the youngsters imo, and yes, I know he doesn't have a single-handed backhand.

Broomie
09-30-2006, 04:18 AM
He and Lundgren haven't worked together since...Wimbledon, I think. Their split hasn't been confirmed, but Peter's already looking for a new job with the British Davis Cup team. Alexander Volkov worked with him at the US Open and Davis Cup, and he's agreed to continue as a temporary measure for the rest of the season, but no one's spotted him in Bangkok this week. :shrug: Anyway, Volkov (or "Sasha", as he's known in the Safin forum) has business responsibilities and a family in Russia, so that arrangement's not likely to be long term.
That's why i'm asking, because Marat does not have that many people traveling with him, hence the question. I guess Roger wouldn't say that about lundgren, especially since lundgren and marat have been apart for some time. But i'm curious as to what could he be talking about.

About the other players, I especially agree with what he says about Nalbandian. He's good, and it's time he reaches the next level ;)

atheneglaukopis
09-30-2006, 04:34 AM
That's why i'm asking, because Marat does not have that many people traveling with him, hence the question. I guess Roger wouldn't say that about lundgren, especially since lundgren and marat have been apart for some time. But i'm curious as to what could he be talking about.Perhaps Roger means Marat needs to put some people in his entourage, like maybe getting Lundgren back. I don't know.

Personally I think since neither Lundgren nor Volkov wants to travel much but both have gotten such good results out of Marat, they should share him! E.g., AO-Lundgren, RG-Volkov, W-Lundgren, USO-Volkov. The underlying problem, of course, is not the coach, but it couldn't hurt.

Johnny Groove
09-30-2006, 04:37 AM
o, that Roger. always talkin shit :)

ExpectedWinner
09-30-2006, 06:58 AM
:cool:

Safin's entourage:

http://www.eg.ru/publication.mhtml?Part=65&PubID=7839

http://www.eg.ru/publication.mhtml?Part=65&PubID=2449

DrJules
09-30-2006, 08:39 AM
Roger talking about Safin's entourage will surely rub Marat the wrong way...how could it not? Subtletly is not one of Roger's strong points...sometimes it is better to keep some assessments to yourself...especially if you are coming from a different cultural background. Again, while he did say some honest and nice words about his opponents, he should stick to their games on court...and not talk about the external factors off-court...That would be like Marat saying, "Roger's fitness is underrated, but everytime he goes on a vacation with Mirka, he puts on the pounds...I think he should if he took less trips with her, he would be in better shape year-round";)

Maybe the public want more honesty rather than the continual pleasantries where players continually lie. Tangerine_dream was addressing this differential between what players really believe and their public pronouncements.

Macbrother
09-30-2006, 09:04 AM
If Federer's polite and politically correct, people will just call him a robot with no emotions, charisma or style. If he speaks his mind and makes even the smallest slight against someone he's tactless and should just say nothing. If people don't like Federer it's just a lose-lose to begin with. I personally think his comments were honest and for the most part accurate, glad to hear a real opinion and not, "Oh I expect a great match, he's a great player."

Broomie
09-30-2006, 11:06 AM
:cool:

Safin's entourage:

http://www.eg.ru/publication.mhtml?Part=65&PubID=7839

http://www.eg.ru/publication.mhtml?Part=65&PubID=2449
:rolls: :lol: :lol:
these are old stuff already. :angel:

ExpectedWinner
09-30-2006, 08:43 PM
these are old stuff already. :angel:

Oh, sorry. I'm not really trying to keep up with hot updates regarding his "entourage".

~*BGT*~
09-30-2006, 09:01 PM
:cool:

Safin's entourage:

http://www.eg.ru/publication.mhtml?Part=65&PubID=7839


:eek: :eek: :eek:

OMG!!!! What are they doing in that bottom pic????

wcr
09-30-2006, 11:07 PM
That's why i'm asking, because Marat does not have that many people traveling with him, hence the question. I guess Roger wouldn't say that about lundgren, especially since lundgren and marat have been apart for some time. But i'm curious as to what could he be talking about.

The comment could easily be about who is not part of Safin's entourage. Take a look at who travels with Roger - only folks who support his game and help him focus on his work. In addition to Roche (part-time), Mirka (full-time) Roger's entourage includes a physical trainer and occasionally his physio. Perhaps if Marat hired either a trainer or physio to travel with him, he'd likely be in better shape and less injury prone.

Dallas
09-30-2006, 11:17 PM
I agree with all of his assessments. Roger was spot on, as far as I'm concerned. Commentators always give their assessment of other players and I think Roger did a better job than a lot of them.

Thanks for translating the comments. I've heard Roger speak in his native Swiss-German and he speaks it a mile a minute so whoever translated the comments - a big thank you.:) :worship:

radics
09-30-2006, 11:40 PM
Interesting stuff and I think pretty spot on.

And what about Djokovic Roger?

"Well, I think he's a joke".

I think he's a joke when it comes down to his injuries.

That's what he really said. But I know you don't really care, as long as it makes Federer look worse. :rolleyes:

jacobhiggins
10-01-2006, 12:14 AM
Roger is the most classy person in tennis!

Fedever
10-01-2006, 12:55 AM
If Federer's polite and politically correct, people will just call him a robot with no emotions, charisma or style. If he speaks his mind and makes even the smallest slight against someone he's tactless and should just say nothing. If people don't like Federer it's just a lose-lose to begin with. I personally think his comments were honest and for the most part accurate, glad to hear a real opinion and not, "Oh I expect a great match, he's a great player."

I agree.:wavey: Federer is a class act on and off the court!!:worship:
And his insights and candor are refreshing!

darnyelb
10-01-2006, 01:09 AM
Federer didn't genuflect to my favorite player and say enough kind things about him. I HATE THAT BASTARD!

Broomie
10-01-2006, 04:42 AM
The comment could easily be about who is not part of Safin's entourage. Take a look at who travels with Roger - only folks who support his game and help him focus on his work. In addition to Roche (part-time), Mirka (full-time) Roger's entourage includes a physical trainer and occasionally his physio. Perhaps if Marat hired either a trainer or physio to travel with him, he'd likely be in better shape and less injury prone.
That would make sense. Thank you.
If that's what Roger meant, I must agree, he's a wise man :worship:
:lol:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-02-2006, 08:47 PM
Someone else wrote that speech for Federer.

Federer actually thinks he owns everyone and anyone who beats him is cheating. Thinks just like his Fedtards.