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Moya : Likes new RR format, 1998 had better top 10 depth, Rafa/Roger rivalry & more

Raquel
09-25-2006, 07:20 PM
Some interestings thoughts in this interview with Carlos - http://www.rediff.com/sports/2006/sep/25moya1.htm

Moya targets 600 wins
Deepti Patwardhan in Mumbai

September 25, 2006 21:45 IST

Having notched up 500 career victories, former world number one Carlos Moya is feeling fit and fine to make it 600.

"I have the energy to go to 600," said the 30-year-old from Mallorca on Monday. "It is the result of the hard work I have put in day after day.

"When I started playing tennis I couldn't even think of it. I am really proud of it, give it as much importance as winning a Grand Slam."

Moya, who has been such a hit with the crowd in his five visits to Chennai, will set the courts ablaze at the Cricket Club of India in Mumbai during the US $ 380,000 Kingfisher Airlines Open, starting on Monday.

"At 22-23 you don't see the end coming. You think you can go forever, but now I like to enjoy every single tournament I participate in."

"I am working very hard. The schedule is very tight nowadays. It depends on how many tournaments I play, but I still like to travel and am still enjoying tennis. There are a lot of young guys coming up but I feel I still have the power to play and beat them," said Moya after his first practice session in Mumbai.

The Spaniard said the security, after the July 11 bomb blasts in Mumbai, is never a concern and it has always been a pleasure to tour India.

"When I came to Chennai for the first time I had an infection in my thumb and couldn't turn up for my quarter-final match. The second year I could not take the court at all because of a stress fracture-- I thought I had recovered enough but I hadn't really. So I was thinking maybe Chennai was unlucky for me.

"But then I won the title the next year and have started enjoying the Chennai Open. I hope I can play as well in Mumbai. It's my first time year; hopefully not the last."

Moya advocated the league format, which will be introduced in some ATP tournaments next year, saying it is good for the players, organisers as well as the fans.

"It helps you to relax a little. I have played in the Masters, which is the only tournament right now using the league format, and it's good for the players. Even you have an off-day you have the chance to make it to the quarter-final. If someone like [Rafael] Nadal or [Roger] Federer lose in the early-rounds, the fans still have more chances to watch the top players."

Though the depth in tennis has increased, the 1998 French Open champion believes that during his peak there were more players with top-10 potential than the current crop.

"Today Roger and Rafael are far ahead than anyone. The players between 10 and 50 are very good, very competitive but during our time there were people with greater top-10 potential."

Moya, who is a mentor to fellow-Mallorcan and two-time French Open champion Nadal, said the 20-year-old had to hang in there and wait for Federer's powers to wane to be at the top of the tennis world.

"Right now Federer is winning everything. Rafa has a 6-2 record against him which is great. It shows Roger is not unbeatable, though very close to that. Rafa is very strong on clay and having reached the Wimbledon final, he's a definite contender for the title there also. Federer's on the top of his game and but maybe after the next two-three years his form will drop a bit. Rafa has to prepared to hang in there till that time."

Moya, who arrived in the city only on Sunday evening, starts his campaign at the Mumbai Open with a first round clash against 18-year-old Argentine Juan Martin del Potro. His compatriot and world number seven Tommy Robredo leads the player field also consisting Croatia's Mario Ancic and Dmitry Tursunov.

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I don't like this attitude that people like this format so they can have an off day but not really mind because they can still go far in the event. It leads to players picking and choosing when they want to win and when they can relax a bit.

Some interesting insight regarding Roger, and Rafa being number 1. Carlos of course knows him well so they've obviously talked about Rafa's future and how he might have to hang in until Roger at some point drops in form for Rafa to win Wimbledon/be number 1. Who is to say Nadal won't take a dip in the next few years too? Nothing is certain.

I hope Carlos gets his 600 wins though :yeah: Always liked him.

Sunset of Age
09-25-2006, 08:04 PM
I don't like this attitude that people like this format so they can have an off day but not really mind because they can still go far in the event. It leads to players picking and choosing when they want to win and when they can relax a bit.


Yeah, that pisses me off, too! :mad:
We're not fans of tennis players because we'd like to see them play chess... :(

I really, really hope the ATP will soon find out that it's a bad idea...

Neverstopfightin
09-25-2006, 08:13 PM
I know what I'm gonna say some people aren't gonna like to listen it but Alex Corretja said the other day that the new RR format was " a good idea ".

He basicly thinks it's good since now the good players will have more chances to pass rounds and that's a good thing for the tournament .

Alex made an example of World Match Play Championship and said that Tiger Woods commented that if the golf tournaments used the same format than match play championship then he would win less tournaments and would be much more difificult . Alex meant that tennis is a sport where you can't have a bad day becuase you are eliminated and that's tough in comparison with others sports.

alfonsojose
09-25-2006, 08:36 PM
RR sucks :ras:

DrJules
09-25-2006, 08:57 PM
Moya, who is a mentor to fellow-Mallorcan and two-time French Open champion Nadal, said the 20-year-old had to hang in there and wait for Federer's powers to wane to be at the top of the tennis world.

"Right now Federer is winning everything. Rafa has a 6-2 record against him which is great. It shows Roger is not unbeatable, though very close to that. Rafa is very strong on clay and having reached the Wimbledon final, he's a definite contender for the title there also. Federer's on the top of his game and but maybe after the next two-three years his form will drop a bit. Rafa has to prepared to hang in there till that time."[/b]


To him Nadal become number 1 depends on Federer declining rather than Nadal improving and being better than Federer.

Naranoc
09-25-2006, 09:12 PM
To him Nadal become number 1 depends on Federer declining rather than Nadal improving and being better than Federer.

You could argue that he's just being realistic, because while Nadal is improving some weak aspects of his game, Federer keep getting better too (working on his backhand, etc.), so it would be unreasonable at this stage to say that Nadal will have more of an all-round game than Federer soon.

radics
09-25-2006, 09:58 PM
RR sucks :ras:

I agree! I always thought the Masters Cup is a weak tournament just because of that boring RR modus.

I mean right now is it a huge thing if a nobody beats a top player but im sure this will not be the same in the RR modus. In the end, the top player will still come through somehow and everything goes the way everyone expected it... isn't that a bit boring?

Oh and to add an other thing: If a player wins a tournament, but lost a match in the RR, will it really be worth the same as it is now? I mean he lost a match and still won the trophy... that sounds lame.

Sunset of Age
09-25-2006, 10:02 PM
You could argue that he's just being realistic, because while Nadal is improving some weak aspects of his game, Federer keep getting better too (working on his backhand, etc.), so it would be unreasonable at this stage to say that Nadal will have more of an all-round game than Federer soon.

That's all too true. Rafa's working on his weaker points (and yeah, he still has quite a lot of 'em), but in the mean time... Fed's improving too!
So it may well be that Rafa will have to wait till Fed's retired. It's only being realistic to conclude as such. :angel:

scarecrows
09-25-2006, 10:14 PM
RR sucks because sometimes the players on the same group can finish with the same points (wins) na then it will be decided on who has won more games (or lost less) and this way we risk having some tanking in the last matches

Sunset of Age
09-25-2006, 10:37 PM
RR sucks because sometimes the players on the same group can finish with the same points (wins) na then it will be decided on who has won more games (or lost less) and this way we risk having some tanking in the last matches

Yep. That's what I was referring to when I posted that it would rather be playing 'chess' than 'tennis' if this indeed happens.

I like chess, don't get me wrong (I'm a - very bad - player myself ;-) but I can't bear to see this happening in tennis!

Merton
09-25-2006, 10:56 PM
Thanks for the article, while I disagree about the RR format, it is always interesting to see what Moya is saying.

richie21
09-25-2006, 11:30 PM
Though the depth in tennis has increased, the 1998 French Open champion believes that during his peak there were more players with top-10 potential than the current crop.

"Today Roger and Rafael are far ahead than anyone. The players between 10 and 50 are very good, very competitive but during our time there were people with greater top-10 potential."
...

sorry to say it,Carlos, but this comment will look very stupid next year :angel:

Raquel
09-25-2006, 11:36 PM
Carlos is saying even more in this article - http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/sep262006/sports2119352006925.asp

Tennis short of big names now: Moya
DH News Service Mumbai:

He may not be among the top guns now, but former world No 1 Carlos Moya feels tennis in the present era is lacking in big names compared to the past...


He may not be among the top guns now, but former world No 1 Carlos Moya feels tennis in the present era is lacking in big names compared to the past.

"There were more potential No 1 players before. There were players like Pete Sampras, Boris Becker, Andre Agassi, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Goran Ivanisevic, myself,” Moya said of tennis before the Roger Federer era.

The 30-year-old Spaniard — still very much a part of the Federer era — despite being seeded fifth at the Kingfisher Airlines Open here, is probably the biggest draw. "Now, the difference between the top two and the rest is huge," Moya said before the opening match of the $380,000 tennis tournament on Monday.




The former French Open champion -- referred to as the King of Clay -- who had many a battle with Pete Sampras, still rates his old nemesis higher than Federer, the current world No 1.

"So far, Sampras has been the best. It's easy to compare the number of titles they have won, but it's not easy to compare the era and the players they played," Moya noted.

Also, it is hard for Moya to forget the two great matches he was involved in – one against King Sampras in the 1998 Australian Open final and against Alex Corretja in the Masters Cup in the same year, both the matches he ended up losing.

"I didn't expect to be in the final (Australian Open), to be playing the best player. I have great memories of that tournament. That's something I will never forget," Moya said.

How does it feel to have notched 500 wins? "When I started my career, I didn't even think of that figure. I would compare it to a Grand Slam win or probably the No 1 spot. But I still have the energy now to win 600."

Moya then backed the new Spanish sensation Rafael Nadal to win Wimbledon. "If somebody can get to the final of the tournament, I think he has it in him to win. The key for Rafael is to stay there for a couple of years. If he stays there for a few years, he will win a lot of tournaments. He has to fight to stay there."

What about the Spanish armada during his time and now? "The old generation was better. There were players like Corretja, Costa, Ferrero, Mantilla and me. Any one of us could win the final and win a French Open. All the five players could win. Now, you have only one."

Almost a household name in India, Moya has won the ATP title in Chennai twice besides making the final early this year. The fans here hope his maiden trip to the city turns out to be as successful.

spencercarlos
09-26-2006, 12:46 AM
Carlos is saying even more in this article - http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/sep262006/sports2119352006925.asp

Tennis short of big names now: Moya
DH News Service Mumbai:

He may not be among the top guns now, but former world No 1 Carlos Moya feels tennis in the present era is lacking in big names compared to the past...


He may not be among the top guns now, but former world No 1 Carlos Moya feels tennis in the present era is lacking in big names compared to the past.

"There were more potential No 1 players before. There were players like Pete Sampras, Boris Becker, Andre Agassi, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Goran Ivanisevic, myself,” Moya said of tennis before the Roger Federer era.

The 30-year-old Spaniard — still very much a part of the Federer era — despite being seeded fifth at the Kingfisher Airlines Open here, is probably the biggest draw. "Now, the difference between the top two and the rest is huge," Moya said before the opening match of the $380,000 tennis tournament on Monday.




The former French Open champion -- referred to as the King of Clay -- who had many a battle with Pete Sampras, still rates his old nemesis higher than Federer, the current world No 1.

"So far, Sampras has been the best. It's easy to compare the number of titles they have won, but it's not easy to compare the era and the players they played," Moya noted.

Also, it is hard for Moya to forget the two great matches he was involved in – one against King Sampras in the 1998 Australian Open final and against Alex Corretja in the Masters Cup in the same year, both the matches he ended up losing.

"I didn't expect to be in the final (Australian Open), to be playing the best player. I have great memories of that tournament. That's something I will never forget," Moya said.

How does it feel to have notched 500 wins? "When I started my career, I didn't even think of that figure. I would compare it to a Grand Slam win or probably the No 1 spot. But I still have the energy now to win 600."

Moya then backed the new Spanish sensation Rafael Nadal to win Wimbledon. "If somebody can get to the final of the tournament, I think he has it in him to win. The key for Rafael is to stay there for a couple of years. If he stays there for a few years, he will win a lot of tournaments. He has to fight to stay there."

What about the Spanish armada during his time and now? "The old generation was better. There were players like Corretja, Costa, Ferrero, Mantilla and me. Any one of us could win the final and win a French Open. All the five players could win. Now, you have only one."

Almost a household name in India, Moya has won the ATP title in Chennai twice besides making the final early this year. The fans here hope his maiden trip to the city turns out to be as successful.
If the tour is easier now, he should have a good explanation why he never won a slam after the "incredible" compettitive at the top ten 1998.

GlennMirnyi
09-26-2006, 01:22 AM
Moya should keep his mouth shut for a change.

nobama
09-26-2006, 02:29 AM
If the tour has become so weak then why doesn't Carlos have more titles than he does? Unless he considers himself one of the weaklings? :shrug:

wimbledonfan
09-26-2006, 02:30 AM
Give the man a break . He's a dinosaur now .

morningglory
09-26-2006, 02:40 AM
RR isn't that good... you could have players tanking matches becuz they're already qualified... and a series of complex events such as players being friends say A, who has already qualified is friends with B... C has previously lost to A and know plays D... B and C are tied...
A might let B win so that he gets to go through or something...

uNIVERSE mAN
09-26-2006, 03:00 AM
It's ridiculous that Moya thinks Sampras, Agassi, Ivanisevic, Becker etc. are his contemporaries, they're a different generation than him.

GlennMirnyi
09-26-2006, 03:09 AM
It's ridiculous that Moya thinks Sampras, Agassi, Ivanisevic, Becker etc. are his contemporaries, they're a different generation than him.

Moya's being affected as his brain is deteriorating from so many years breathing venomous clay. :rolleyes:

liptea
09-26-2006, 03:43 AM
sorry to say it,Carlos, but this comment will look very stupid next year :angel:

when Xristos makes it big?

liptea
09-26-2006, 03:44 AM
If the tour has become so weak then why doesn't Carlos have more titles than he does? Unless he considers himself one of the weaklings? :shrug:

I think he's saying that the tour had more depth back in his day, with Sampras and Agassi and Courier and lots of other players that weren't as dominant as Nadal and Federer. Whenever I see either of those names in a draw, I automatically assume that one of them will hold the trophy, but I don't remember that a couple of years ago.

but whatever. maybe I'm an apologist. :)

nobama
09-26-2006, 05:09 AM
I think he's saying that the tour had more depth back in his day, with Sampras and Agassi and Courier and lots of other players that weren't as dominant as Nadal and Federer. Whenever I see either of those names in a draw, I automatically assume that one of them will hold the trophy, but I don't remember that a couple of years ago.

but whatever. maybe I'm an apologist. :)I guess my point was if it's so easy now and aside from Roger and Rafael the rest of the players aren't that great how come Carlos isn't doing better/winning more titles? Unless he's one that sucks too. Interesting how domination is automatically equated to less competition. I think it has more to do with the supreme talent of those who are dominating (ala Tiger Woods).

Action Jackson
09-26-2006, 05:12 AM
Good to see the RR propaganda merchants are out in force.

liptea
09-26-2006, 06:26 AM
I guess my point was if it's so easy now and aside from Roger and Rafael the rest of the players aren't that great how come Carlos isn't doing better/winning more titles? Unless he's one that sucks too. Interesting how domination is automatically equated to less competition. I think it has more to do with the supreme talent of those who are dominating (ala Tiger Woods).

I mean, I get your point, but I'm just reading that Carlos is making an objective statement. I agree, and I don't even play professional tennis. I think the tour is dominated by two fairly intimidating players. It's just obvious, right?

And obviously, he hasn't been playing his best lately. He's in the twilight of his career and is making reflections between his earlier and later life on tour. I don't think Carlos's personal success needs to play a role in his observation about the tour then and now.

Castafiore
09-26-2006, 07:15 AM
I don't think Carlos's personal success needs to play a role in his observation about the tour then and now.
Exactly!
What does his own personal success have to do with his observations?

zicofirol
09-26-2006, 07:22 AM
Though the depth in tennis has increased, the 1998 French Open champion believes that during his peak there were more players with top-10 potential than the current crop.

"Today Roger and Rafael are far ahead than anyone. The players between 10 and 50 are very good, very competitive but during our time there were people with greater top-10 potential."



I have said it all along and its nice to see a player who played in both decades say it, the quality of top 10 players was much better 10 years ago, IMO.

its.like.that
09-26-2006, 07:34 AM
Nice to hear an ATP player voicing his opinions.

Lets hope Moya will be around for many more years to come.

:)

DrJules
09-26-2006, 07:34 AM
I think he's saying that the tour had more depth back in his day, with Sampras and Agassi and Courier and lots of other players that weren't as dominant as Nadal and Federer. Whenever I see either of those names in a draw, I automatically assume that one of them will hold the trophy, but I don't remember that a couple of years ago.

but whatever. maybe I'm an apologist. :)

Really. I think has was talking about top 10 potential rather than depth.

"Today Roger and Rafael are far ahead than anyone. The players between 10 and 50 are very good, very competitive but during our time there were people with greater top-10 potential."

BlueSwan
09-26-2006, 07:35 AM
"There were more potential No 1 players before. There were players like Pete Sampras, Boris Becker, Andre Agassi, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Goran Ivanisevic, myself,” Moya said of tennis before the Roger Federer era.
That's just a weak argument. The reason why there were more "potential" no.1. players around say 98/99, was that no player managed to dominate. Put 2004-06 form Federer into the equation and you'd have the same scenario as you have today with one player dominating.

Likewise, if you take the current form Federer and replace him with 2002 form Federer, you'd have plenty of contenders for the #1 spot today. Especially seeing as Federer wouldn't have totally discouraged players like Roddick and Hewitt.

DrJules
09-26-2006, 07:38 AM
I have said it all along and its nice to see a player who played in both decades say it, the quality of top 10 players was much better 10 years ago, IMO.

1998 was about the time Moya became world number 1 (recording number 1 in March 1999, but accumulating points in this period to become number 1). Would ha have become number 1 or 2 in the current generation?

Mimi
09-26-2006, 08:11 AM
i don't see anything wrong he said, i suppose a tennis player knows about the depth more than us posters ;). Well, may be he said pete is the best annoys some people ;)

FSRteam
09-26-2006, 10:40 AM
The dear moya is just a sore loser. He never won a match against roger even when he was in his prime and that's why he says sampras is better than federer because pete beat worthier players according to him! Also fed beat moya when he was only 18. He's probably never coped with that...

Castafiore
09-26-2006, 10:43 AM
The dear moya is just a sore loser..
:confused: A bit exaggerated IMO.

You may disagree with his opinion but it's not as if Sampras is a joke of a tennis player.

stebs
09-26-2006, 11:11 AM
I agree with Moya.

Depth overall = 2000's > 1990's

Depth at the very top of the game = 1990's > 2000's

RonE
09-26-2006, 11:21 AM
Really. I think has was talking about top 10 potential rather than depth.

"Today Roger and Rafael are far ahead than anyone. The players between 10 and 50 are very good, very competitive but during our time there were people with greater top-10 potential."

I don't think the other players of today have less top ten potential. I think the reason you see this big rift is because in the 1998 era the top 2 players were nowehre near as strong and all round as today's top two. The rest of the field is just as competitive as their contemporaries from years gone by, but Rafa and Roger just bring something very special that no #1 and #2 players combination (except maybe Sampras and Agassi recently for a time) have been able to bring to the sport.

Deathless Mortal
09-26-2006, 12:17 PM
YEAH! RR format is great! I can't wait! But, is it going to be like 8 groups, and 4 players in each, or what?

BlueSwan
09-26-2006, 02:54 PM
YEAH! RR format is great! I can't wait! But, is it going to be like 8 groups, and 4 players in each, or what?
That sounds likely. So we'd have tree RR matches where the winner in each group progresses to the quarters. Then you'd have to play 6 matches to win an r32 tournament.

liptea
09-26-2006, 06:00 PM
Really. I think has was talking about top 10 potential rather than depth.

"Today Roger and Rafael are far ahead than anyone. The players between 10 and 50 are very good, very competitive but during our time there were people with greater top-10 potential."

ok. I was kinda defining depth in terms of the entire tour having depth, not just the top 2 being competitive and the rest of the tour being competitive. but I think you're right.

Lee
09-26-2006, 06:30 PM
Anyway, whatever. You know it's slow days in MTF when random Moya thoughts can create a mild controversy. Though I don't agree with him at all about RR. :ras:

Whatever involved the name of Federer and/or Nadal will always be a big controversy here. And on top of that, throwing in the name of Sampras :tape:

Eden
09-26-2006, 07:36 PM
I don't think the other players of today have less top ten potential. I think the reason you see this big rift is because in the 1998 era the top 2 players were nowehre near as strong and all round as today's top two. The rest of the field is just as competitive as their contemporaries from years gone by, but Rafa and Roger just bring something very special that no #1 and #2 players combination (except maybe Sampras and Agassi recently for a time) have been able to bring to the sport.

:yeah: I agree with you. Were players like Ivanisevic, Kafelnikov, Corretja really better then Blake, Nalbandian, Hewitt or Roddick?
There were always players on the tour who could have won more Slams like they actually did. I remember Sampras saying something about Stich being the worlds best player when he would bring his best to the game. And how often should Henman have won Wimbledon with his talent?

RonE
09-26-2006, 09:03 PM
:yeah: I agree with you. Were players like Ivanisevic, Kafelnikov, Corretja really better then Blake, Nalbandian, Hewitt or Roddick?


I have seen all those players in their respective peaks and while their styles invariably differ just look at their resumees for comparison:

Kafelnikov and Hewitt- both won 2 slams and reached #1, Hewitt was even #1 for a much longer stretch.

Ivanisevic and Roddick- both have just the 1 slam, have been runner up at 3 other slam finals (3 other W finals for Goran, 2 Ws and 1 US for Andy)

Corretja and Nalbandian- both were slamless but had very good results and both are TMC champions.

So I would not say the the players of today are any less top 10 material than those of 8 years ago.


There were always players on the tour who could have won more Slams like they actually did. I remember Sampras saying something about Stich being the worlds best player when he would bring his best to the game. And how often should Henman have won Wimbledon with his talent?

Stich was something special- in a way I liken him to Nalbandian in that they both posses incredible ball striking ability and classic movement, both are/ would be sometimes negligent when it came to off court work, both would get injured too often and they both had some mental issues causing them to lose matches which they should have otherwise won. Oh, and both were all court all surface players both reaching at least the semifinals or better at each of the grand slams. And just one final note: both won the TMC by upsetting the year end #1 player in the respective years they won it: Stich over Sampras in 1993 and Nalbandian last year over Federer.