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Why is Roddick out-aced everytime?

Vass
09-24-2006, 01:47 PM
Is it something about the placement of serve?
Opponent's return?
Roddick's own returning skills?

His opponent's serve has nothing to do with it, that's for sure.

Johnny Groove
09-24-2006, 01:48 PM
Because Andy and returns go together like Pizza and fungus :o

Vass
09-24-2006, 01:57 PM
Bad analogy. Mushrooms are fungus. Shrooms on pizza are yummy :lick:

Vass must be getting really scared about Dima-Andy if he felt the need to start a troll thread about Roddick. :lol:

:o
It's been comming along for a week or two when i was forced to watch Andy's matches. Soory.

I couldn't help it: the above fact just strikes me as hilarious.

~*BGT*~
09-24-2006, 02:04 PM
His opponent's serve has nothing to do with it, that's for sure.

It wouldn't if it were coria out acing him. :rolleyes:

croat123
09-24-2006, 02:40 PM
1) his return is terrible
2) his serve is predictable

chances are that he has more service winners than his opponents, but he gets outaced a lot

DrJules
09-24-2006, 02:42 PM
Is it something about the placement of serve?
Opponent's return?
Roddick's own returning skills?

His opponent's serve has nothing to do with it, that's for sure.

Actually few players serve more aces in a match involving Roddick. Only Federer regularly does it.

Norrage
09-24-2006, 02:43 PM
He has higher percentages of first serve points won, he just aces less.

~*BGT*~
09-24-2006, 02:44 PM
He has higher percentages of first serve points won, he just aces less.
He's going for less on his serves. I think that's forcing him to work on his game rather than depend on his serve to bail him out.

DrJules
09-24-2006, 02:48 PM
He is third in aces for the year:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/

sanpo
09-24-2006, 03:47 PM
He is third in aces for the year:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/

Karlovic's stats are just ridiculous. He tops 3 of the Service game categories. I bet he's hit more serves that backhands. :lol:

Jimnik
09-24-2006, 03:54 PM
Hitting aces requires accuracy, not power. Andy's serve is good at forcing errors but he doesn't possess enough accuracy.

R.Federer
09-24-2006, 03:59 PM
Every time? Surely this is not common that he gets outaced. It happens against a few players who have both strong service plus return (Marat, Roger, etc.) but I don't think Agassi or Lleyton who are great in returns but not as much in service, ever did outace him.

rexman
09-24-2006, 04:22 PM
Agassi is a bad example, he's been relatively easy to ace the last few years. Marcos had one more ace than him in Melbourne, MURRAY had one more ace than him in San Jose, Benneteau had 4 more in Memphis, Andreev had more in IW.

It's that his return his poor. It's not a serving problem.

El Legenda
09-24-2006, 04:23 PM
because Roddick Sucks

Jimnik
09-24-2006, 04:24 PM
Actually, according to the stats, Dima's fastest serve was faster than Andy's. :eek:

NYCtennisfan
09-24-2006, 04:36 PM
Roddick does not hit a ton of aces because he doesn't have very good placement primarily due to the fact that he serves harder than he has to. This means that he gets outaced more than what one would expect given his huge serve.

He has been outaced 13 times this year and has hit the same amount of aces as his opponent 3 or 4 other times.

Vass
09-24-2006, 04:43 PM
Thanks for clarifying. :o

World Beater
09-24-2006, 04:48 PM
roddick get a lot service return winners...the aces stat is misleading...it doesnt matter that he isnt precise, he doesnt have to be against most players.

at the usopen, even in the second set against roger, andy didnt serve that many aces and still held pretty well. when his % is high, he is tough to break, aces or no aces

NYCtennisfan
09-24-2006, 04:51 PM
roddick get a lot service return winners...the aces stat is misleading...it doesnt matter that he isnt precise, he doesnt have to be against most players.

at the usopen, even in the second set against roger, andy didnt serve that many aces and still held pretty well. when his % is high, he is tough to break, aces or no aces

Yes. He may not hit aces, but he hits a ton of service winners.

R.Federer
09-24-2006, 04:52 PM
Actually, according to the stats, Dima's fastest serve was faster than Andy's. :eek:
Those Rusky technicians...... meddling with the service machine ;)
But if true, that's quite surprising.

vahep
09-24-2006, 05:02 PM
Karlovic's stats are just ridiculous. He tops 3 of the Service game categories. I bet he's hit more serves that backhands. :lol:


Wow, you would think with those numbers he would be winning a lot more than he has. You win 91% of your service games and still end up with a 17-20 record? :confused: Suddenly I am real curious about seeing him play.

DrJules
09-24-2006, 06:42 PM
Roddick does not hit a ton of aces because he doesn't have very good placement primarily due to the fact that he serves harder than he has to. This means that he gets outaced more than what one would expect given his huge serve.

He has been outaced 13 times this year and has hit the same amount of aces as his opponent 3 or 4 other times.

The fact is he does. This year 585 aces and 3rd in list of aces for year.

NYCtennisfan
09-24-2006, 07:54 PM
The fact is he does. This year 585 aces and 3rd in list of aces for year.

He hits more than most of the other players on tour, but not a lot given his huge serve. A ton for him should be more than a ton for someone like Ferrer or Blake. He doesn't routinely have huge ace counts like Goran, Krajicek, Becker, Sampras, Stich, Arthurs, Ivo, and others have had. He does hit a lot of service winners.

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 08:35 PM
Hitting aces requires accuracy, not power. Andy's serve is good at forcing errors but he doesn't possess enough accuracy.

As I was going to post that, I'm just giving :worship: to Jimnik.

joeb_uk
09-25-2006, 12:55 AM
Aces are not everything, you can serve very well serving very few aces. He has loads of power making the opponent play awkward returns, or not being able to get the ball back in play. Other players of course are able to pick the spots, and make the return unreachable. Andy has more of the power.

Timariot
09-25-2006, 11:01 AM
When Roddick played Hewitt at FO 2001 (retired after 2 sets IIRC), the ace count was 11-0 for Hewitt...

In previous round, Michael Chang had a perfect service game against Andy (four aces). Michael Chang!

scarecrows
09-25-2006, 11:20 AM
it's because he serves very hard but also pretty much in the middle, so he gets many winning serves and less aces. Still much more than the majority of top 100 players out there

kabuki
09-25-2006, 04:20 PM
It's because his reaction time is like a drunk 90 year old.