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if russia win, what surface will the DC final be held?

Halba
09-24-2006, 02:17 AM
Will it be the same , clay Moscow? OR are they allowed to change it to something else. I very much doubt they should put clay as it will be a 50/50 contest. Nalby/Calleri/Acasuso are all experienced clay courters/specialists. I think if Russia want to smoke the Argies they should put an Indoor carpet court and Safin will smoke em out. Davydenko has improved his HC game, Youzhny is probably better than Calleri/Acasuso on a HC. Tursunov has had reasonable results on hard. Safin should play doubles.

Safin owns Nalby on faster surface :wavey:

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 02:26 AM
Of course they are allowed to change it. Are you on LSD?

jazz_girl
09-24-2006, 02:27 AM
It will be ice :lol:

khanazam
09-24-2006, 02:27 AM
it would be on hard for sure. and russia to win on hard in russia for sure.

Halba
09-24-2006, 02:29 AM
yeah i would've thought so. indoor hard?

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 02:29 AM
Probably an ice-skating rink.
Kidding aside, an incredibly-fast taraflex carpet.

MarieS
09-24-2006, 02:31 AM
If Russia wins tomorrow, they will lay out the fastest indoor court they can possibly make. Nalbandian is an accomplished player on fast courts, but the rest of the Argentine team are clay court specialists.

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 02:36 AM
If Russia wins tomorrow, they will lay out the fastest indoor court they can possibly make. Nalbandian is an accomplished player on fast courts, but the rest of the Argentine team are clay court specialists.

Accomplished for what?

MarieS
09-24-2006, 02:39 AM
Accomplished for what?
What do you mean? He's been to the finals of Wimbledon, he's won Masters Cup :shrug:...He's no Safin but he's no slouch either.

jayjay
09-24-2006, 02:45 AM
What do you mean? He's been to the finals of Wimbledon, he's won Masters Cup :shrug:...He's no Safin but he's no slouch either.

I think what Glenn is trying to say is that Nalbandian has not yet hit the heights of Voltchkov. The day Nalbandian has to borrow a shirt and shorts from other players because he neither has a sponsor nor can afford his own - will be the day Nalbandian has truly arrived.

Winning a Masters Cup, being a Wimbledon Finalist etc etc pales in comparison to being the 700-something ranked player in the world. Canas is already ranked a couple of hundread places higher and he's only been back a week. :lol:

+alonso
09-24-2006, 02:54 AM
Probably a ice-skating rink.
Kidding aside, a incredibly-fast taraflex carpet.
Ha Ha, I can't believe what I'm saying but I agree with you!

marti_228
09-24-2006, 02:59 AM
I think what Glenn is trying to say is that Nalbandian has not yet hit the heights of Voltchkov. The day Nalbandian has to borrow a shirt and shorts from other players because he neither has a sponsor nor can afford his own - will be the day Nalbandian has truly arrived.

Winning a Masters Cup, being a Wimbledon Finalist etc etc pales in comparison to being the 700-something ranked player in the world. Canas is already ranked a couple of hundread places higher and he's only been back a week. :lol:


He/She is Brazilian. I don't know why he/she hides his/her nationality. But you're right, he/she is dumb and an anti-argentinean who said that Vilas wasn't not a good player because tennis from the 70s was hardly tennis. So according to his theory, McEnroe, Connors, Lendl, Borg, etc,etc were hardly tennis players. How Smart!!

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 03:02 AM
What do you mean? He's been to the finals of Wimbledon, he's won Masters Cup :shrug:...He's no Safin but he's no slouch either.

Finals of Wimbledon in the worst final ever played there. Choked as always and took a spanking.

Won a MC defeating Federer who played in a wheelchair almost. Wow! That's an accomplishment.

When the year ends fat Dave will fall back to the place he should have never left: out the top 10.

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 03:05 AM
He/She is Brazilian. I don't know why he/she hides his/her nationality. But you're right, he/she is dumb and an anti-argentinean who said that Vilas wasn't not a good player because tennis from the 70s was hardly tennis. So according to his theory, McEnroe, Connors, Lendl, Borg, etc,etc were hardly tennis players. How Smart!!

I don't hide my nationality. I change the flag to the country my avatar player's from.
Yeah, what I'm saying is that you can't compare a slam-winner of the 90's with a slam-winner of the 70's. Those players would be beaten by the likes of Marach and Elseneer today.

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 03:06 AM
No. He's drunk, piss poor and about to retire. Hooray for Voltchkov.

Not a dopefeed.

MarieS
09-24-2006, 03:10 AM
Finals of Wimbledon in the worst final ever played there. Choked as always and took a spanking.

Won a MC defeating Federer who played in a wheelchair almost. Wow! That's an accomplishment.

When the year ends fat Dave will fall back to the place he should have never left: out the top 10.
You're just singling out matches there. Are you saying that Nalbandian ISN'T a solid fast court player? :rolls:

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 03:12 AM
You're just singling out matches there. Are you saying that Nalbandian ISN'T a solid fast court player? :rolls:

Solid enough to defeat Safin, Youzhny and/or Tursunov? No. I think even Davydenko would do it.

marti_228
09-24-2006, 03:15 AM
You're just singling out matches there. Are you saying that Nalbandian ISN'T a solid fast court player? :rolls:


The guy is crazy, he thinks that denying Nalbandian's achievements, Voltchkov will be a good player.....and the answer is NO....he sucks and Nalbandian, Acasuso,Chela, Calleri, etc and even Del Potro, who turned 18 yesterday, are much better players than him.

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 03:19 AM
The guy is crazy, he thinks that denying Nalbandian's achievements, Voltchkov will be a good player.....and the answer is NO....he sucks and Nalbandian, Acasuso,Chela, Calleri, etc and even Del Potro, who turned 18 yesterday, are much better players than him.

You're not very smart, big boy. I don't care about Voltchkov. I just chose him to be my avatar. I don't want to make him a better player than the dopefeed argies. No.
If I put Sampras in my avatar I'll need to prove that he's better than those argies too? Please...

MarieS
09-24-2006, 03:26 AM
Solid enough to defeat Safin, Youzhny and/or Tursunov? No. I think even Davydenko would do it.
Safin no, Tursunov maybe, Youzhny definitely.
My original point was that the fast indoor court would heavily favor the Russians, because while Nalbandian has had impressive results on it, the rest of the Argentines are basically clay courters. I didn't mean to turn this into a career analysis.

disturb3d
09-24-2006, 03:39 AM
I saw the entire USO match between Dave and Marat.
When Dave played well, there was no mistaking who the better player was. Only problem was, he played poorly for the majority of the match, and choked at the finish line. I'm guessing he probably won a greater no. of points.

Dave loves to play Davis Cup, the team competition taking some weight off his shoudlers.
This is partially why he competes so well and never chokes during ties.
His game is perfectly suited to faster courts. The low bounce allowing the point of contact to be especially early. And somewhat hiding the weakness in his serve.

If Russia's coach choose a fast surface, he won't have done his job correctly.
Nalbandian will go into the tie with expecations to walk through anyone.
And Russia will have their hands full against the most dominant DC doubles nation of the past couple years.

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 04:00 AM
I saw the entire USO match between Dave and Marat.
When Dave played well, there was no mistaking who the better player was. Only problem was, he played poorly for the majority of the match, and choked at the finish line. I'm guessing he probably won a greater no. of points.

Dave loves to play Davis Cup, the team competition taking some weight off his shoudlers.
This is partially why he competes so well and never chokes during ties.
His game is perfectly suited to faster courts. The low bounce allowing the point of contact to be especially early. And somewhat hiding the weakness in his serve.

If Russia's coach choose a fast surface, he won't have done his job correctly.
Nalbandian will go into the tie with expecations to walk through anyone.
And Russia will have their hands full against the most dominant DC doubles nation of the past couple years.


You're on heavy stuff. You're saying fat Dave's better than Marat? :haha:
That fat Dave never chokes? :haha:

*Viva Chile*
09-24-2006, 04:52 AM
Responding to the question:
Indoor carpet for sure ;)

Flibbertigibbet
09-24-2006, 05:04 AM
Whatever surface, just give me a five-setter thriller between Nalbandian and Safin. :p

Vass
09-24-2006, 05:04 AM
Probably an ice-skating rink.
Kidding aside, an incredibly-fast taraflex carpet.
Safin doesn't like that one. :(

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 05:08 AM
Safin doesn't like that one. :(

That one what?

*Viva Chile*
09-24-2006, 05:15 AM
Safin doesn't like that one. :(
Wasn't Taraflex Paris-Bercy's surface? :confused:
(maybe you say it's Gerfloor... but Gerfloor is only the trade mark of one kind taraflex surface)

GlennMirnyi
09-24-2006, 05:17 AM
Wasn't Taraflex Paris-Bercy's surface? :confused:
(maybe you say it's Gerfloor... but Gerfloor is only the trade mark of one kind taraflex surface)

Yeah... in fact Gerflor is who manufactures the taraflex used in most tennis carpet surfaces, so... I didn't get it too.

morningglory
09-24-2006, 05:41 AM
faaaaaaaast HC... trust me :o

drf716
09-25-2006, 11:24 AM
hardcourt's my guess too

mer
09-25-2006, 12:51 PM
If so, then hopefully Yagudin and Plushenko will put aside their differences and show up to play some doubles. :devil:

:lol: brilliant idea :yeah: I'd like to see it

hitchhiker
09-25-2006, 01:34 PM
http://www.buffalostate.edu/athletics/i/facilities/ice.jpg

A_Skywalker
09-25-2006, 01:37 PM
Surely hard

Hendu
09-25-2006, 03:34 PM
They play indoors, on carpet or on clay. And I don't think they will choose clay. ;)

They never play on hard in Russia.

I guess it will be the same surface they used 4 years ago against Argentina: a not so fast carpet.

*Viva Chile*
09-25-2006, 05:41 PM
Tarpischev said today that it will be a semi-fast hard surface, where the ball can bounce high... so it will be on Rebound Ace :unsure:

(in spanish): http://www.emol.com/noticias/deportes/detalle/detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=232420

Hendu
09-25-2006, 06:34 PM
Tarpischev said today that it will be a semi-fast hard surface, where the ball can bounce high... so it will be on Rebound Ace :unsure:

(in spanish): http://www.emol.com/noticias/deportes/detalle/detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=232420

No way Russia is going to pick Rebound Ace... I'm sure they are talking about carpet. Although the thing about bouncing high confuses me. :confused:

disturb3d
09-25-2006, 08:58 PM
Playing a semi-fast high-bounce surface will play into the Russian's advantage.
Safin has had enormous success at the AO, and Davydenko more than any Argie cept David.

I can't see Russia losing. Especially with the mental strength Safin brings at DC ties.

DrJules
09-25-2006, 09:04 PM
Tarpischev said today that it will be a semi-fast hard surface, where the ball can bounce high... so it will be on Rebound Ace :unsure:

(in spanish): http://www.emol.com/noticias/deportes/detalle/detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=232420

Is there such a surface. Rebound Ace is medium paced and never any faster; just ask Lleyton Hewitt :lol: :lol:

Hendu
09-25-2006, 09:07 PM
Playing a semi-fast high-bounce surface will play into the Russian's advantage.
Safin has had enormous success at the AO, and Davydenko more than any Argie cept David.

I can't see Russia losing. Especially with the mental strength Safin brings at DC ties.

I don't agree.

Playing on carpet would be much difficult for Calleri, Chela and Acasuso. On Rebound Ace any of them has the capability to pull a surprising victory. Actually Chela over Davydenko wouldn't be surprising.

I hope they choose that surface. :) But they won't, the tie will be played on carpet.

*Viva Chile*
09-25-2006, 11:12 PM
Is there such a surface. Rebound Ace is medium paced and never any faster; just ask Lleyton Hewitt :lol: :lol:
for the common people (except Hewitt, of course ;) ) rebound-ace is a semi-fast type of surface. Considering that all hard surfaces are in general fast surfaces. Obviously, rebound ace is the less fast of the hard ones.

Fergie
09-26-2006, 01:44 AM
Tarpischev said today that it will be a semi-fast hard surface, where the ball can bounce high... so it will be on Rebound Ace :unsure:

(in spanish): http://www.emol.com/noticias/deportes/detalle/detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=232420
He wants to lose the final :p

GlennMirnyi
09-26-2006, 01:58 AM
Rebound Ace is a kinda slow synthetic hardcourt in which the ball bounces kinda high.
The problem with carpet is that Tursunov, Davydenko and Safin are all used to playing with high bounce. Safin being the main worry on that one.

leng jai
09-26-2006, 08:55 AM
Safin probably isn't very comfortable playing a court that bounces low. His height means his centre of gravity is higher than most people and he might have trouble hitting the really low balls. Hes never really had much success at Wimbledon.

Exodus
09-26-2006, 11:49 AM
on rebound ace safin's gonna kill them all :)

Rogiman
09-26-2006, 02:25 PM
I don't agree.

Playing on carpet would be much difficult for Calleri, Chela and Acasuso. On Rebound Ace any of them has the capability to pull a surprising victory. Actually Chela over Davydenko wouldn't be surprising.

I hope they choose that surface. :) But they won't, the tie will be played on carpet.
Huh...? :confused:

Is Chela still capable of beating any serious player these days? I don't think so, and Davydenko would whitewash him on Rebound Ace.

Julio1974
09-26-2006, 02:31 PM
Huh...? :confused:

Is Chela still capable of beating any serious player these days? I don't think so, and Davydenko would whitewash him on Rebound Ace.

Chela cannot handle DC pressure. It would be the worst possible option for Argentina.

Hendu
09-26-2006, 02:34 PM
Huh...? :confused:

Is Chela still capable of beating any serious player these days? I don't think so, and Davydenko would whitewash him on Rebound Ace.

Follow the link (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Chela%2C+Juan+Ignacio&player2=Davydenko%2C+Nikolay&playernum2=D402) ;)

Hendu
09-26-2006, 02:36 PM
Chela cannot handle DC pressure. It would be the worst possible option for Argentina.

I'm not saying Chela is the best option.

I just say that if the tie is played on Rebound Ace, Argentina has a bigger opportunity to win the DC.

Anyway, I'm sure it will be played on carpet.

alfonsojose
09-26-2006, 02:46 PM
You're on heavy stuff. You're saying fat Dave's better than Marat? :haha:
That fat Dave never chokes? :haha:
:haha: :haha: and MBF won the arse clown championship? :tape: What a troll Glenn is :yeah:

alfonsojose
09-26-2006, 02:50 PM
Decoturf, a bit slower than USO's would be great for Rusia :D

cobalt60
09-26-2006, 03:15 PM
Decoturf, a bit slower than USO's would be great for Rusia :D
Why is that? According to the manufacturer you have all 3 speeds to chose from. I know it has high bounces no matter what the speed and would that be better for either team. I remember at the Olympics the high bounces were a problem for some of the players.

Action Jackson
09-28-2006, 05:12 PM
Carpet.

Action Jackson
09-28-2006, 05:12 PM
Huh...? :confused:

Is Chela still capable of beating any serious player these days? I don't think so, and Davydenko would whitewash him on Rebound Ace.

Chela is 5-0 over Davydenko.