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DC is so sad without the CHAMPIONS....

Blue Heart24
09-22-2006, 09:21 PM
Croatia :sad: And only because of stupid Ancic's injury! :mad: :mad: :o :sad:

Hendu
09-22-2006, 09:23 PM
:hysteric:

Get over it!

Radek Stepanek
09-22-2006, 09:24 PM
I am with you! It's not the same without Croatia, sweet face Mario Ancic, and beautiful bald Ljubicic.

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2006, 09:28 PM
Croatia :sad: And only because of stupid Ancic's injury! :mad: :mad: :o :sad:

Yeah. Argentina shouldn't be there. Really bad luck for Croatia.

Hendu
09-22-2006, 09:30 PM
Yeah. Argentina shouldn't be there. Really bad luck for Croatia.

Yes, and lack of depth in the Croatian team has nothing to do with it, right?

Horatio Caine
09-22-2006, 09:32 PM
Croatia :sad: And only because of stupid Ancic's injury! :mad: :mad: :o :sad:

They lost...get over it! :eek:

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2006, 09:33 PM
Yes, and lack of depth in the Croatian team has nothing to do with it, right?

What's the depth of Argentina outside clay?

You know that Croatia only lost because Ancic was injured na Karlovic wasn't in the team. A whitewash would be almost certain with any of them.

~*BGT*~
09-22-2006, 09:34 PM
:hysteric:

Get over it!

So true! :rocker2:

RickDaStick
09-22-2006, 09:36 PM
Its Ok Croatia will just have to win it again next year. I hope they get the US in the 1st round so we can see another spank job by Ljubo, this time in Zagreb.

ufokart
09-22-2006, 09:39 PM
:kiss: :smooch:

Get over it. If Ancic had played Croatia would probably be on the semis now, but they aren't, so stop whining please

Hendu
09-22-2006, 09:40 PM
What's the depth of Argentina outside clay?

You know that Croatia only lost because Ancic was injured na Karlovic wasn't in the team. A whitewash would be almost certain with any of them.

What does Argentina's depth have to do with it?

Anyway, without Cañas, Gaudio, Coria and Puerta for different reasons Argentina still has a good team.

Croatia has only 2 players and injuries are common in tennis. That happens to 2 players teams (like Chile f.e.), one injury and it is almost impossible to get a win.

But because their two players are VERY good, and were lucky by having no injuries last year, they got the DC.

Hendu
09-22-2006, 09:41 PM
Its Ok Croatia will just have to win it again next year. I hope they get the US in the 1st round so we can see another spank job by Ljubo, this time in Zagreb.

Its possible, Croatia has one of the best teams.

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2006, 09:44 PM
What does Argentina's depth have to do with it?

Anyway, without Cañas, Gaudio, Coria and Puerta for different reasons Argentina still has a good team.

Croatia has only 2 players and injuries are common in tennis. That happens to 2 players teams (like Chile f.e.), one injury and it is almost impossible to get a win.

But because their two players are VERY good, and were lucky by having no injuries last year, they got the DC.

The point is that Argentina has a good team on clay and that's it. You can't speak of Croatia's depth if your own team hasn't that.

Hendu
09-22-2006, 09:46 PM
The point is that Argentina has a good team on clay and that's it. You can't speak of Croatia's depth if your own team hasn't that.

WHY????

:haha:

Ancic was injured, not Nalbandian. They had no depth and they lost, thats Davis Cup.

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2006, 09:52 PM
WHY????

:haha:

Ancic was injured, not Nalbandian. They had no depth and they lost, thats Davis Cup.

And that's why the argies are gonna get a whitewash in Russia. :lol:

Pfloyd
09-22-2006, 09:54 PM
What most sucks is that Spain is definetly an Underachiever in the DC.

I believe they have the best overall team...

Hendu
09-22-2006, 09:57 PM
And that's why the argies are gonna get a whitewash in Russia. :lol:

Probably, but I will be happy if we get to the finals.

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2006, 10:13 PM
What most sucks is that Spain is definetly an Underachiever in the DC.

I believe they have the best overall team...

Drugs are taking a toll on MTF members. Don't say such BS. Spain took a 4/1 from Mirnyi and Voltchkov on carpet. They have a competitive team on clay and that's it.

The most complete team is Russia. They have "slowcourters" (Davydenko, Andreev) and "fastcourters" (Tursunov, Safin, Youzhny). They can win anywhere on any surface.

ufokart
09-22-2006, 10:17 PM
The most complete team is Russia. They have "slowcourters" (Davydenko, Andreev) and "fastcourters" (Tursunov, Safin, Youzhny). They can win anywhere on any surface.

I have to agree here. It's a very good all around team.
And wait for Korolev in the future :)

Hendu
09-22-2006, 10:20 PM
I have to agree here. It's a very good all around team.
And wait for Korolev in the future :)

Yes the Russians are the best. But they wouldn't be able to beat Spain on clay or on grass. And I think the Spanish would give them a hard time on hardcourts too.

ufokart
09-22-2006, 10:26 PM
Yes the Russians are the best. But they wouldn't be able to beat Spain on clay or on grass. And I think the Spanish would give them a hard time on hardcourts too.

Maybe so, i don't think they are invincible (obviously :lol: ). But considering all the players involved i think they have the better team on paper.
Yep, you could argue that Nadal or Federer alone would beat them, but i don't consider 1 guy a "team" :lol:

Hendu
09-22-2006, 10:28 PM
Maybe so, i don't think they are invincible (obviously :lol: ). But considering all the players involved i think they have the better team on paper.
Yep, you could argue that Nadal or Federer alone would beat them, but i don't consider 1 guy a "team" :lol:

Fair enough.

Generator
09-22-2006, 11:04 PM
The point is that Argentina has a good team on clay and that's it.

1) That's such an asinine statement. Croatia, for that matter, are only good on fast surfaces. Or are you trying to tell me that they are a tennis superpower on clay? Why? Because they beat "Austria" on that surface? Big deal. I'd like to see Ljubicic, Ancic or Karlovic play on clay against Gaudio or Nalbandian.
The truth is that they're mediocre at best on slow surfaces. They're no Russia.

2) Get over it, people. Tough luck for Croatia. If they want their revenge against Argentina, they'll have to go over there and play on clay. Let's hope they do. We'll see how good the superchampions are on a slow surface.

3) Let's not forget that Argentina beat croatia in 2002 without Coria and Nalbandian, the best two Argentine players in the last decade. Goes to show who has more depth.

DrJules
09-22-2006, 11:14 PM
What most sucks is that Spain is definetly an Underachiever in the DC.

I believe they have the best overall team...


They appear quite a weak team on grass and indoors.

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2006, 11:17 PM
Yes the Russians are the best. But they wouldn't be able to beat Spain on clay or on grass. And I think the Spanish would give them a hard time on hardcourts too.

If Spain loses to Belarus (a one-man team) on carpet, how can you say that Spain would win against Russia on grass? That's just ridiculous.
Who is going to win something on grass? Nadal? :haha: that's insane. Tursunov would beat him effortlessly.

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2006, 11:19 PM
1) That's such an asinine statement. Croatia, for that matter, are only good on fast surfaces. Or are you trying to tell me that they are a tennis superpower on clay? Why? Because they beat "Austria" on that surface? Big deal. I'd like to see Ljubicic, Ancic or Karlovic play on clay against Gaudio or Nalbandian.
The truth is that they're mediocre at best on slow surfaces. They're no Russia.
2) Get over it, people. Tough luck for Croatia. If they want their revenge against Argentina, they'll have to go over there and play on clay. Let's hope they do. We'll see how good the superchampions are on a slow surface.

3) Let's not forget that Argentina beat croatia in 2002 without Coria and Nalbandian, the best two Argentine players in the last decade. Goes to show who has more depth.

LJUBICIC - ROLAND GARROS SEMIFINALIST. Maybe he's too weak on clay... :rolleyes:
The arseclown championship is already happening, nothing you can do will make you win now.

Hendu
09-22-2006, 11:28 PM
If Spain loses to Belarus (a one-man team) on carpet, how can you say that Spain would win against Russia on grass? That's just ridiculous.
Who is going to win something on grass? Nadal? :haha: that's insane. Tursunov would beat him effortlessly.

That superfast carpet has nothing to do with grass. :o

What makes you think Tursunov would beat Nadal on grass?

GlennMirnyi
09-22-2006, 11:54 PM
That superfast carpet has nothing to do with grass. :o

What makes you think Tursunov would beat Nadal on grass?

Nadal = moonballer
Tursunov = non-moonballer

You do the math, mi hermano... ;)

disturb3d
09-23-2006, 12:03 AM
Croatia can't beat Argentina on their favorite surface at home.
Now imagine if they played on BAs clay, 5-0 Argentina.

Argentina are a far more surface-diverse and talented team.
I'd also like to say. Screw Croatia. If I could say it in french, I would.

Hendu
09-23-2006, 12:06 AM
Nadal = moonballer
Tursunov = non-moonballer

You do the math, mi hermano... ;)

Nadal = Wimbledon Finalist.

You do the math, meu irmão... ;)

NyGeL
09-23-2006, 12:08 AM
Nadal can easily kick ass on grass to any player.

Minsk's carpet is 10 times faster than grass dude!

croat123
09-23-2006, 12:09 AM
Croatia can't beat Argentina on their favorite surface at home.
Now imagine if they played on BAs clay, 5-0 Argentina.

Argentina are a far more surface-diverse and talented team.
I'd also like to say. Screw Croatia. If I could say it in french, I would.
except the croatian players all give 100% when playing dc. do you think nalbandian, gaudio, and coria really care if they win or lose at the end of the day? they tank half of their atp matches, and are even more likely to tank it if they aren't playing for money

Hendu
09-23-2006, 12:11 AM
except the croatian players all give 100% when playing dc. do you think nalbandian, gaudio, and coria really care if they win or lose at the end of the day? they tank half of their atp matches, and are even more likely to tank it if they aren't playing for money

Yes, you know a lot about Argentine players in DC. :rolleyes:

disturb3d
09-23-2006, 12:17 AM
except the croatian players all give 100% when playing dc. do you think nalbandian, gaudio, and coria really care if they win or lose at the end of the day? they tank half of their atp matches, and are even more likely to tank it if they aren't playing for moneyIt's none of our business how seriously the Argentinians take Davis Cup.
For all I care, they could play with their pants down and still be favored over Croatia.

croat123
09-23-2006, 12:20 AM
Yes, you know a lot about Argentine players in DC. :rolleyes:
i saw nalbandian play vs. ljubo in croatia, he looked like he was sleep walking
i saw them play the slovak republic, that was pathetic

gaudio has probably lost more love sets than anyone in history

croat123
09-23-2006, 12:21 AM
It's none of our business how seriously the Argentinians take Davis Cup.
For all I care, they could play with their pants down and still be favored over Croatia.
not really. they are favorites in argentina. just like croatia is a favorite (if it has its top players) playing in croatia

Bibberz
09-23-2006, 12:44 AM
Forgive me, but I'm curious about something: Is "Argie" considered a slur? I've mostly heard it used by the British, so I'm not sure. Thanks.

jole
09-23-2006, 12:46 AM
DC is so sad without the champions like it's a sham that Hrbaty didn't have more support in the final last year.

It doesn't add up.

ufokart
09-23-2006, 01:55 AM
except the croatian players all give 100% when playing dc. do you think nalbandian, gaudio, and coria really care if they win or lose at the end of the day? they tank half of their atp matches, and are even more likely to tank it if they aren't playing for money

Yeah, that's why nalbandian has a record of 16-3 in davis cup play and Gaudio is 13-3 (i'll give you that most of those wins of Gaston are on clay and in Bs As, but they can't be dismissed completely).I would say, yes, they do care.
Just because they lost some matches doesn't mean they don't usually give 100%. Ivan is 35-16 in davis cup play and i also think he gives 100%.

And i fail to understand what does commitment to davis cup has to do with with the discussion about lack of depth?

jayjay
09-23-2006, 02:21 AM
The point is that Argentina has a good team on clay and that's it. You can't speak of Croatia's depth if your own team hasn't that.

Stop talking out of your ass (again). Argentina won in Croatia this year, last year won in Australia. Do you not watch Tennis?

Only Russia, Spain and possibly France can say they have more depth than Argentina.

Croatia are a one man team - Ancic did nothing for them in singles last year apart from beat a nobody. Ljubicic carried them. And this year he couldn't.

jayjay
09-23-2006, 02:22 AM
And that's why the argies are gonna get a whitewash in Russia. :lol:

Maybe, at least we'll be in Russia. Will you? Enjoy watching us, it's not like your own nation will be playing that weekend is it?

croat123
09-23-2006, 02:23 AM
Stop talking out of your ass (again). Argentina won in Croatia this year, last year won in Australia. Do you not watch Tennis?

Only Spain and possibly France can say they have more depth than Argentina.

Croatia are a one man team - Ancic did nothing for them in singles last year apart from beat a nobody. Ljubicic carried them. And this year he couldn't.
this year he couldn't cause he didn't have mario in doubles (and he still took a set...w/cilic)

jayjay
09-23-2006, 02:24 AM
this year he couldn't cause he didn't have mario in doubles (and he still took a set...w/cilic)

So you lost. Deal with it.

jayjay
09-23-2006, 02:29 AM
LJUBICIC - ROLAND GARROS SEMIFINALIST. Maybe he's too weak on clay... :rolleyes:
The arseclown championship is already happening, nothing you can do will make you win now.

Seriously, are you a twat for a living?

You claim Croatia aren't weak on clay because Ljubicic made a RG SF after coming through a challenger like quarter. And yet at the same time Spain would have no chance on grass despite having a Wimbledon Finalist in their ranks.

I don't know what your fascination is with the term "arseclown", could it be because it's tatooed on your forehead?

jayjay
09-23-2006, 02:32 AM
i saw nalbandian play vs. ljubo in croatia, he looked like he was sleep walking


I saw Chucho **** Ljubicic in Hamburg, it was hilarious. BTW, how many GS matches has Karlovic won in the past few years? I'll give you the answer Ivo style, F-F-F-F-F-U-U-U-U-U-U-C-C-C-C-C-C-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K A-A-A-LL. :wavey:

jayjay
09-23-2006, 02:33 AM
Forgive me, but I'm curious about something: Is "Argie" considered a slur? I've mostly heard it used by the British, so I'm not sure. Thanks.

It depends what context, sometimes they use it simply as a shortened word other times it is used in a tone that is meant to be derogatory.

Generator
09-23-2006, 02:36 AM
LJUBICIC - ROLAND GARROS SEMIFINALIST. Maybe he's too weak on clay... :rolleyes:
The arseclown championship is already happening, nothing you can do will make you win now.

Oh, please, spare me. Ljubicic's semifinals at RG were even more ridiculous than Nadal's final at Wimbledon. We're talking about facing quality players, not Berlocq, Hernández, Mónaco, Ramírez Hidalgo and Benneteau.

But nevermind. It's no use arguing with disrespectful, biased jackasses.

ufokart
09-23-2006, 02:37 AM
Sorry JayJay, i agree with almost everything you wrote, but why do you write like 6 straight messages?. It would be easier if you write all your responses in one single Message.
It's easier to read :)

jayjay
09-23-2006, 02:39 AM
Sorry JayJay, i agree with almost everything you wrote, but why do you write like 6 straight messages?. It would be easier if you write all your responses in one single Message.
It's easier to read :)

It's because I was responding to different posts.

Generator
09-23-2006, 02:39 AM
except the croatian players all give 100% when playing dc. do you think nalbandian, gaudio, and coria really care if they win or lose at the end of the day? they tank half of their atp matches, and are even more likely to tank it if they aren't playing for money

Like Ljubichoke against Hrbaty last year, right? Talk about tanking... ha. At least Nalbandian managed to beat that guy.

ufokart
09-23-2006, 02:43 AM
It's because I was responding to different posts.

Yeah, i know, but i don't imagine why you can't respond everything in the same message.
It's just a suggestion, at least for me it's easier to read.

jayjay
09-23-2006, 02:49 AM
Yeah, i know, but i don't imagine why you can't respond everything in the same message.
It's just a suggestion, at least for me it's easier to read.

Can you do that for posts on a different page? I'll do it next time at least for messages on the same page. Apologies. :) I also was going through the thread and replying to what I was coming across bit by bit. It's hard to read all of GlennMirnyi's rubbish in one go, small doses.

jayjay
09-23-2006, 03:11 AM
It's none of our business how seriously the Argentinians take Davis Cup.

For the record, DC is serious business for Argentine players and supporters. We want to win it and are likely to be in with a shout each and every year for the forseeable future, as soon as Del Potro reaches near his potential - Nalbandian will finally have the good back up (and eventual) successor we need to become a side that can win anywhere, any surface as Russia are now.

At present, we can win elsewhere but it usually relies on Nalbandian having to do most/all of the work. Once we get Canas back too we'll be even stronger.

I see a future (2008 maybe?) hopefully of Nalbandian and Del Potro for singles and a mixture of Calleri, Canas and Chucho competing for doubles spots.

krakenzero
09-23-2006, 04:13 AM
Being real... visitor's "upsets" last years:

2006
Austria 2-3 CROATIA
Switzerland 2-3 AUSTRALIA
Germany 2-3 FRANCE
Netherlands 0-5 RUSSIA
Croatia 2-3 ARGENTINA
France 1-4 RUSSIA

2005
Switzerland 2-3 NETHERLANDS
United States 2-3 CROATIA
Australia 1-4 ARGENTINA
Slovak Republic 2-3 CROATIA

2004
Australia 1-4 SWEDEN
Morocco 0-5 ARGENTINA
Romania 2-3 SWITZERLAND
Czech Republic 2-3 SPAIN
Switzerland 2-3 FRANCE

In conclusion:
-More consistent team: ARGENTINA
-Best team seizing opportunities: CROATIA
-This year's champion: RUSSIA
-Best Host: SWITZERLAND, followed by AUSTRALIA
-But, even more important, Where's GlennMirnyi's team??

jayjay
09-23-2006, 04:19 AM
[QUOTE=krakenzero]-More consistent team: ARGENTINA
-Best team seizing opportunities: CROATIA
-This year's champion: RUSSIA

Seems about right.

-Best Host: SWITZERLAND, followed by AUSTRALIA

:lol:

-But, even more important, Where's GlennMirnyi's team??

:haha:

He can have Brasil and Belarus, either way he's fucked. :)

~*BGT*~
09-23-2006, 06:48 AM
I saw Chucho **** Ljubicic in Hamburg, it was hilarious. BTW, how many GS matches has Karlovic won in the past few years? I'll give you the answer Ivo style, F-F-F-F-F-U-U-U-U-U-U-C-C-C-C-C-C-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K A-A-A-LL. :wavey:
:worship: Best response ever. My eyes are tearing up from laughing. :worship:

Action Jackson
09-23-2006, 07:43 AM
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