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It's time for women to play in the ATP

champlingo
09-22-2006, 03:44 AM
Why not? Their first serves are as fast as men's 2nd serves. We're all the same, men/women. It's time to dump the WTA and have just one professional tennis governing body. This would also inspire the women (or men) to excel further. It's too boring watching a seeded female player trounce a nobody. Time to change. If not today, soon. That day will come. You'll see.

TMJordan
09-22-2006, 03:45 AM
:haha:

partygirl
09-22-2006, 03:47 AM
Serena in good form could.

rexman
09-22-2006, 03:48 AM
Serena in good form could.

Could what, win a game?

Sheek
09-22-2006, 03:49 AM
worst idea ever? :p

flmmkrz
09-22-2006, 03:53 AM
Serena in good form could.

she could probably physically beat up most of the top 10 guys but I doubt she could get a game off the top 250 or so, and thats just a single game

TMJordan
09-22-2006, 03:53 AM
Could what, win a game?

She ment win a point.

jmsx521
09-22-2006, 04:08 AM
Serena in good form could.
The Serena Williams from 5 y. ago can. I thought of this idea for first time when Serena was on the top of her game. I think she could've beat guys in the top 200.

leng jai
09-22-2006, 04:12 AM
Mauresmo couldn't even defend against a generic off forehand from the atp tour

*Viva Chile*
09-22-2006, 04:15 AM
:yawn:

RickDaStick
09-22-2006, 04:16 AM
The Serena Williams from 5 y. ago can. I thought of this idea for first time when Serena was on the top of her game. I think she could've beat guys in the top 200.

:retard:

morningglory
09-22-2006, 04:21 AM
well... maybe allow the women to win on conditions that she plays only in the service boxes, and the men have to serve underhanded maybe... :retard:

Dusk Soldier
09-22-2006, 04:23 AM
But then women wouldn't win tournaments anymore. It wouldn't be fair.

zicofirol
09-22-2006, 04:26 AM
I think you made this post 2 weeks to late, you would had an automatic WC into the Arseclown tournament.



The Serena Williams from 5 y. ago can. I thought of this idea for first time when Serena was on the top of her game. I think she could've beat guys in the top 200.

I dont think she could of taken a game off them. They would just move her from side to side and her all powerfull stroke would be nothing in the mens game...

*Viva Chile*
09-22-2006, 04:27 AM
Serena in good form could.
1998: (203) Karsten Braasch (GER) def. (53) Serena Williams 6-1
and def. (16) Venus Williams 6-2

:haha:

TMJordan
09-22-2006, 04:31 AM
:haha:

jmsx521
09-22-2006, 04:37 AM
1998: (203) Karsten Braasch (GER) def. (53) Serena Williams 6-1
and def. (16) Venus Williams 6-2

:haha:
I still can't surrender.

1. Where was that? Was it for real? Exhibition? Exhibitions don't count... you can't get the best out of player in an exhibition match.

2. The Williams sisters didn't start playing top tennis until few years later.

3. Also, Braasch was quite good at that time and was a former top50:
Career High INDESIT ATP Ranking - Singles: 38 (6/13/1994)
Career High Stanford ATP Doubles Ranking: 36 (11/10/1997)

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-22-2006, 04:48 AM
Is this a joke.
Crazy feminists learn your limitations.

JW10S
09-22-2006, 04:55 AM
No way. The #1 woman would lose to the #100 man--easily. When I was a freshman in college I easily beat the #12 ranked woman in the world at the time in several practice matches, and I had no world ranking at all then. I was not even the #1 player on my team. I am a big fan of women's tennis but they cannot match the strength, speed, height, and power of the men. Just as women cannot match the track and field times of men they cannot compete with men of the tennis tour.

It was not publicized much but a few years ago when Richard Williams said his daughters could compete with the men matches were arranged with his daughters and Karsten Braasch who at the time was something like the #100 ranked player on the ATP tour. Braasch beat both girls something like 6-1 in one set matches--no contest.

Plastic Bertrand
09-22-2006, 04:56 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/909637.stm



It was only three years ago at the 1998 Australian Open that both sisters were busy proposing their own Battle of the Sexes, claiming they could beat a player from the men's tour. Serena went down 6-1 to 203rd-ranked Karsten Braasch. Venus was able to get one more game but also lost, 6-2.

*Viva Chile*
09-22-2006, 04:58 AM
I still can't surrender.

1. Where was that? Was it for real? Exhibition? Exhibitions don't count... you can't get the best out of player in an exhibition match.

2. The Williams sisters didn't start playing top tennis until few years later.

3. Also, Braasch was quite good at that time and was a former top50:
Career High INDESIT ATP Ranking - Singles: 38 (6/13/1994)
Career High Stanford ATP Doubles Ranking: 36 (11/10/1997)
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html

Yes, was "nearly" an exhibition, but I prefer you read the story and take your own conclusions about what women will NEVER deal with men tennis players.

Till today, obviously it never had been played an official mixed singles match... only in doubles. For this, you can't talk about if the women can deal with men players. My answer is NO. ;)

Plastic Bertrand
09-22-2006, 04:59 AM
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html


How to... beat both Williams sisters in one afternoon

Karsten Braasch is the German tennis player who did just that in 1998

Sunday September 2, 2001
Observer Sport Monthly


It was the 1998 Australian Open and the Williams sisters, Venus and Serena, had seen some of the male players practising. On the basis of what they saw, they were convinced that they could beat a man ranked around 200 in the world and wanted to set up a game. At the time I was ranked 203 so the men's tour manager mentioned the possibility of a challenge to me, thinking that I was the perfect candidate. I didn't take much persuading, it seemed like a fun thing to do.

My advice if you're ever in a position to play a match of this nature is be patient - don't be annoyed or surprised if your match against the Williams sisters is cancelled, as they both have very busy schedules. My game against them had to be re-organised at least a couple of times.

Preparation is crucial. Remember that a game like this is light-hearted - taking it too seriously would be a mistake. My training regime consisted of a leisurely round of golf in the morning followed by a couple of shandies. I turned up on court feeling suitably laid-back.

My first game of the afternoon, just a one-set match, was against Serena. A hint: try and play your match somewhere quiet, where you're not going to be pestered by big crowds or lots of press - we were out on one of the back courts at Melbourne Park, No 17 I think it was. I felt so relaxed that I didn't even warm up properly. We started playing and I raced into a 5-0 lead.

At this point Venus turned up to watch. She had just finished a press conference after a quarter-final loss against Lindsey Davenport. In the end I won my game against Serena 6-1 but by the time we were at the net shaking hands, Venus was on court, ready to have a go against me as well. The game against Venus was very similar. I ended up winning 6-2.

Both sisters are great tennis players and hit the ball extremely well. However, if you've been playing on the men's tour there are certain shots you can play that are going to put them in difficulty. Try and put a lot spin on the ball - I was hitting the ball with a degree of spin they don't face week-in, week-out. Another key is to chase down every shot. In our match, they were putting shots into the corners that on the women's tour would be winners but I was able to return them.

In the end I won, but neither myself, nor Venus or Serena took the game too seriously - we were just having a bit of fun.

Apparently, after the game, Serena and Venus immediately told the press they wanted to challenge a male player again. This time they revised the ranking of the man they wanted to face, to 350 in the world. I informed the journalist who told me this that in the next week I was set to lose a lot of ATP points and drop down to 350 in the rankings. I told him that if Venus and Serena waited just one week they could challenge me all over again! That never came about, but when I saw Venus a few months later at the French Open she came up to me with a big smile on her face and said, 'You know that thing in Australia - it never happened!'


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jmsx521
09-22-2006, 05:04 AM
Is this a joke.
Crazy feminists learn your limitations.
As a feminist, I'll be the first to tell you that women can not reach men physically (unless genetics are modified), but intellectually they can... except that the current education doesn't allow them to and prefers them passive (which favors the men obviously).

But, we were speaking of phsyical ability and skills; the Williams sisters five years ago, were stronger tennis players than the William sisters of today, the current top women players of today and the Monica Seles of the past.

I don't know anything about football and hockey, but weren't there some women playing in men's teams?

El Legenda
09-22-2006, 05:11 AM
the arse clown tourny already started.....

ugotlobbed
09-22-2006, 05:24 AM
im sure the men will tone down their games, itll be very competitive, the women will end up bartering sex for wins

jmsx521
09-22-2006, 05:56 AM
I see I'll not get any back-up on that.
How about on this:
Do you agree that the Williams sisters five years ago, were stronger tennis players than the William sisters of today, the current top women players of today and the Monica Seles of the past? Do you agree that their game then was the strongest female tennis game ever seen?

MarieS
09-22-2006, 06:10 AM
if it was JUST a groundstroke battle, then maybe they can win a few games. But if it's a legit all out match, then no way is it even going to be competitive. The biggest difference between the two tours is serve; the fastest serves these girls can hit are routine 2nd serves for the top 100(and even below) guys.

hanabishi
09-22-2006, 06:21 AM
There are certain sports where women and men can compete together competitively such as equestrian (the only Olympic sport where men and women compete together) and bowling (I've seen male-female tournaments on TV).

But tennis is just simply not one of those sports. The men would have way too much of an advantage (yes, I do know that Billie-Jean King beat Bobby Riggs, but I'm talking on a regular level, on an even playing field).

Heck, if Michelle Wie can't even make the cut in a male golf tournament (and I think golf isn't even that physical of a sport), how can you reasonably expect women to competitively do well against the men.

Again, I'm not dissing women (and I think that in the intellectual level, women often out-perform men). But tennis is a physical and mental sport.

General Suburbia
09-22-2006, 06:57 AM
Let's pretend that there are a handful of women who exist that can actually compete regularly in the men's tour. Ok, great. What about the rest of the women?

leng jai
09-22-2006, 07:08 AM
They can go back to the kitchen?

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-22-2006, 07:26 AM
They can go back to the kitchen?

Might as well send them all to the kitchen because none of the girls can compete with the guys at the highest level.

Purple Rainbow
09-22-2006, 08:09 AM
Let's pretend that there are a handful of women who exist that can actually compete regularly in the men's tour. Ok, great. What about the rest of the women?

Donald Young still gets wild-cards, doesn't he?

henree
09-22-2006, 08:31 AM
Serena's fastest serve is 126. Venus can get it up to 128mph. It really comes down to top spin. No woman can handle the spin the men put on the ball. While Serena has bigger biceps than the majority of men on the atp tour, she would get tore a new a$$hole. Even at her peak when she held all 4 slams at once she would never be good enough to play toe to toe with a professional atp tour player. But I do favor Serena against Blake in a 5th set. :devil:

oz_boz
09-22-2006, 10:21 AM
I'd be the first one to welcome female players on the ATP tour, as long as they are good enough to be there. And that will probably never happen. Donald Young would beat prime Serena handily.

BlueSwan
09-22-2006, 10:29 AM
If a top male claycourter like Raphael Nadal decided to play it safe, then I think any of the top women would struggle to even win a single point against him. They'd have to go for broke on every shot to perhaps rip a winner or two and then that would be it.

Breakdown
09-22-2006, 10:38 AM
But I do favor Serena against Blake in a 5th set.
:haha: :yeah: :clap2:

It should be somethin' like this:

If woman wins a point >>>> means she wins a game :)
If she serves an ace :eek: >>>> she wins a set!
If someone manages to serve 4 aces in a row :rolleyes: >>>> she wins the MATCH!!

denisgiann
09-22-2006, 11:06 AM
When you face a woman you simply never win.If you win your match then nobody will really care and frankly most of the people will mock you that you had the audacity to cheer for your win against such an opponent.
If now you lose then you are the laughing stock of the universe.You lost to a woman.Either way you lose.

supersexynadal
09-22-2006, 11:35 AM
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hitchhiker
09-22-2006, 12:14 PM
thread starter needs a wildcard into the arseclown semis

TheBoiledEgg
09-22-2006, 12:20 PM
they'd struggle in boys U14 :tape:

MatchFederer
09-22-2006, 12:23 PM
Well the people who have the powers to make change could instigate such a radical notion. After the 1st year results things would be quickly reverted to how they used to be. :armed:

Action Jackson
09-22-2006, 12:24 PM
Whoever gave the OP those hallucinogenic drugs. I am not sure if I want to know your dealer.

MatchFederer
09-22-2006, 12:29 PM
OF COURSE you want to know who their dealer is. To live in such utopia could only be a good thing... couldn't it??

zicofirol
09-22-2006, 01:52 PM
I see I'll not get any back-up on that.
How about on this:
Do you agree that the Williams sisters five years ago, were stronger tennis players than the William sisters of today, the current top women players of today and the Monica Seles of the past? Do you agree that their game then was the strongest female tennis game ever seen?
Youre an idiot adn a troll, no one here is even talking about them right now, AT THERE PEAK they couldnt take a game of a top 250 player, not a game.

Do you really think their power game would affect a top 250 top 500 player?

denisgiann
09-22-2006, 02:03 PM
There isnt a sport that women can compete with men.And i mean sport not games such as golf,snooker,monopoly etc.As long as strength and speed are involved men will always be some levels above.

vahep
09-22-2006, 03:12 PM
The only true "sport" (and I agree that golf. all forms of auto racing, billiards, etc. are games not sports) that I can think of where women perform at a level comparable to men, is gymnastics. Although they can't match the men in movements that require exceptional strength, they kind of make up for it with their remarkable flexibility and nimbleness.
As to the person who said that Serena could physically beat up guys in the top 100...wow, I hope you were joking.

Merton
09-22-2006, 03:17 PM
The most surprising thing is that the thread starter appears serious.

TheBoiledEgg
09-22-2006, 03:19 PM
The only true "sport" (and I agree that golf. all forms of auto racing, billiards, etc. are games not sports) that I can think of where women perform at a level comparable to men, is gymnastics. Although they can't match the men in movements that require exceptional strength, they kind of make up for it with their remarkable flexibility and nimbleness.
As to the person who said that Serena could physically beat up guys in the top 100...wow, I hope you were joking.

I'd like to see a woman doing the rings :o
then again they'd say the men would have to do the beam :help:

MarieS
09-22-2006, 03:20 PM
The most surprising thing is that the thread starter appears serious.
:lol:
He/She should apply to be Mr. Disney's consultant...They both have brilliant ideas about the game; this could get fun :yeah:.

jmsx521
09-22-2006, 03:54 PM
I see I'll not get any back-up on that.
How about on this:
Do you agree that the Williams sisters five years ago, were stronger tennis players than the William sisters of today, the current top women players of today and the Monica Seles of the past? Do you agree that their game then was the strongest female tennis game ever seen?Youre an idiot adn a troll, no one here is even talking about them right now, AT THERE PEAK they couldnt take a game of a top 250 player, not a game.

Do you really think their power game would affect a top 250 top 500 player?
You are an idiot; half of the posts here talk about the Williams sisters as well. Also, you quoted my post, but didn't read my question well and therefor mis-answered it. Also you can't write... (let alone read).

morningglory
09-22-2006, 04:45 PM
dude... even in CHESS or GO or Japanese Chess tournaments they even separate women tournies from men! :o And apparently the no.1 woman is still nowhere near the men either... and that's probably the least physical sport you can get...

tennis? dream on...

zicofirol
09-22-2006, 04:53 PM
You are an idiot; half of the posts here talk about the Williams sisters as well. Also, you quoted my post, but didn't read my question well and therefor mis-answered it. Also you can't write... (let alone read).
youre question is irrelevant to the question posed in youre first post, that is why I didnt answer it. Who cares if they are they had the most powerfull shots in the history of womens tennis, they would still get beat easily, so STFU and go eat some more:

http://content.crazyphotos.com/assclown%2520cereal.jpg

ps. Go to the WTAworld forums, you will find many like minded idiots like you, you can have a 500 member circle jerk

andygabriela
09-22-2006, 04:54 PM
For me wouldn't be fair, there continue being many differences between men and women :awww:

vahep
09-22-2006, 07:06 PM
dude... even in CHESS or GO or Japanese Chess tournaments they even separate women tournies from men! :o And apparently the no.1 woman is still nowhere near the men either... and that's probably the least physical sport you can get...

tennis? dream on...


Actually Judit Polgar has done very well against her male counterparts. She has had wins over Kasparov, Karpov, Shirov, Anand, Svidler, etc. No fluke either, she can play a mean game of chess. However, she is the only female player on this level. She has been ranked as high as 8th in the world (men included).

http://www.chessgames.com/player/judit_polgar.html

TennisAgenda
09-22-2006, 07:07 PM
Yes men are stronger then women. Some serious misogynsts on this board. I guess for some guys it makes them feel better that men are physically stronger then women. We know that we get it. However, women's tennis in the past ten years has improved incredibly. You cannot be a top player on the WTA or do well without being in top physical condition. Look at Serena Williams at her peak she was in amazing shape now she is not and she is really struggling. Hingis said the WTA has changed it all about power being strong and in shape. The women are much more athletic now have monster serves. Many women can serve over 120 per hour. We get that. But a lot of sexist jerks on this board. It doesn't diminish women's tennis that men are stronger big deal. The women have a lot of excitment and have fans. At least on the WTA we know when the slams come around they are very unpredictable. On the ATP we already know 90% of the time who the winner is going to be.

zicofirol
09-22-2006, 08:16 PM
Yes men are stronger then women. Some serious misogynsts on this board. I guess for some guys it makes them feel better that men are physically stronger then women. We know that we get it. However, women's tennis in the past ten years has improved incredibly. You cannot be a top player on the WTA or do well without being in top physical condition. Look at Serena Williams at her peak she was in amazing shape now she is not and she is really struggling. Hingis said the WTA has changed it all about power being strong and in shape. The women are much more athletic now have monster serves. Many women can serve over 120 per hour. We get that. But a lot of sexist jerks on this board. It doesn't diminish women's tennis that men are stronger big deal. The women have a lot of excitment and have fans. At least on the WTA we know when the slams come around they are very unpredictable. On the ATP we already know 90% of the time who the winner is going to be.
wow, the first fantastic line "women's tennis in the past ten years has improved incredibly" , you call that crap improvement, my god, what low standars, bang bang bang miss , bang bang bang miss, if just hitting it as hard as you can with 0 concept of conrstructing a point is improvement then okay...
Then this:
"The women are much more athletic now have monster serves. Many women can serve over 120 per hour" 1 time per game? come for most, their average 1 serve hovers around 100-105.

"We get that. But a lot of sexist jerks on this board. It doesn't diminish women's tennis that men are stronger big deal."
Seixt?? stating a fact and looking at things realistically is sexist.. youre just a oversensitive thing (dont know what you are, or care) who respond with childlish kneejerk responses when someone says something you dont like.

"The women have a lot of excitment and have fans. At least on the WTA we know when the slams come around they are very unpredictable. On the ATP we already know 90% of the time who the winner is going to be."
Fans yes, excitement :retard: . Yes the slams are so unpredictable, I mean look at all the early round upsets???? When it comes to depth and unpredicability the ATP is far ahead of womens tennis. As for Federer dominating, well he one of the best tennis players ever, and if you cant appreciate that "domination" well then enjoy those sharapova-williams slugfests...

Radek Stepanek
09-22-2006, 08:24 PM
I can beat all the boys at my tennis club, and they are top ranked Czech Juniors. Girls can do anything they want to.

morningglory
09-22-2006, 08:25 PM
Actually Judit Polgar has done very well against her male counterparts. She has had wins over Kasparov, Karpov, Shirov, Anand, Svidler, etc. No fluke either, she can play a mean game of chess. However, she is the only female player on this level. She has been ranked as high as 8th in the world (men included).

http://www.chessgames.com/player/judit_polgar.html
I know Judit and her 2 sisters :) however other women players are virtually unheard of...

Regenbogen
09-22-2006, 08:30 PM
I'd like to see men and women play each other a few times, just to see how it would go. It probably wouldn't be pretty though :lol:

MatchFederer
09-22-2006, 08:51 PM
Yes men are stronger then women. Some serious misogynsts on this board. I guess for some guys it makes them feel better that men are physically stronger then women. We know that we get it. However, women's tennis in the past ten years has improved incredibly. You cannot be a top player on the WTA or do well without being in top physical condition. Look at Serena Williams at her peak she was in amazing shape now she is not and she is really struggling. Hingis said the WTA has changed it all about power being strong and in shape. The women are much more athletic now have monster serves. Many women can serve over 120 per hour. We get that. But a lot of sexist jerks on this board. It doesn't diminish women's tennis that men are stronger big deal. The women have a lot of excitment and have fans. At least on the WTA we know when the slams come around they are very unpredictable. On the ATP we already know 90% of the time who the winner is going to be.

I take it you are a deeply sensitive soul. People here are just being realistic.

zicofirol
09-22-2006, 09:10 PM
I can beat all the boys at my tennis club, and they are top ranked Czech Juniors. Girls can do anything they want to.
are you a girl???

njnetswill
09-22-2006, 11:29 PM
Rezai can hit the ball damn hard, but her fitness/consistency isn't quite there yet.

morningglory
09-23-2006, 12:01 AM
Rezai can hit the ball damn hard, but her fitness/consistency isn't quite there yet.
:haha: get real... she can't even beat GIRLS... let alone GUYS even on the challenger level...

Tennis Fool
09-23-2006, 12:11 AM
I take it you are a deeply sensitive soul. People here are just being realistic.
No. TennisAgenda is 100% correct about some of our fellow cybermates.

Action Jackson
09-23-2006, 07:40 AM
OF COURSE you want to know who their dealer is. To live in such utopia could only be a good thing... couldn't it??

It depends whether the after effects are worth it.

You never know they could put the 120kg Kafelnikov against the top women and he'd still win.

azza
09-23-2006, 08:06 AM
Nicole Pratt Def Andy Roddick 1-6 7-6(3) 7-6(27) 6-0. Yay

MatchFederer
09-23-2006, 09:35 AM
No. TennisAgenda is 100% correct about some of our fellow cybermates.

That may be true.. based on the spiteful nature of some of the posts. BUT.. what the people are arguing is definitely realistic even if it could have been worded in a less derogatory fashion...

rexman
09-23-2006, 02:13 PM
Maybe I posted this already but I didn't see when I looked through the the thread.

Anastasia Myskina, #2 in the world two years ago, said that one of her happiest tennis moments was taking a set off her coach. Jens Gerlach was a decent college level player but no more, and is not at his peak right now for sure. Didn't Ryan Sweeting beat Maria Sharapova about a year ago too?

That should say it all. The woman can compete with pretty high ranked juniors boys, and with lower-level college players, but not with the Men's pro tour.

And I agree the "they can go back to the kitchen" argument is unneeded, but they idea that they can't compete is an accurate one.

zicofirol
09-23-2006, 02:16 PM
Maybe I posted this already but I didn't see when I looked through the the thread.

Anastasia Myskina, #2 in the world two years ago, said that one of her happiest tennis moments was taking a set off her coach. Jens Gerlach was a decent college level player but no more, and is not at his peak right now for sure. Didn't Ryan Sweeting beat Maria Sharapova about a year ago too?

That should say it all. The woman can compete with pretty high ranked juniors boys, and with lower-level college players, but not with the Men's pro tour.

And I agree the "they can go back to the kitchen" argument is unneeded, but they idea that they can't compete is an accurate one.

yes as to "go back to the kitchen" it was used as a joke, and it will keep on being used as a joke if the feminazis keep on reacting like 4 yr olds everytime that is used.

morningglory
09-23-2006, 02:29 PM
yes as to "go back to the kitchen" it was used as a joke, and it will keep on being used as a joke if the feminazis keep on reacting like 4 yr olds everytime that is used.
:lol: they can view it as a complement as well... throughout history WOMEN have been the ones cooking cleaning washing sewing AND child-rearing... and they're REALLY GOOD at it ;) They should take pride in their husbands entrusting those duties to them alone ;)
Why stop now? They're really talented in those departments... :lol:

refero*fervens
09-23-2006, 02:44 PM
Realistically, mixed doubles is the closest you can get. (But no use calling for peace, I think? Carry on then :D )

Polikarpov
09-27-2006, 12:00 PM
Ivanovic can beat Djokovic if she promises him that he will get laid provided he let her win. :)