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Davydenko left off of Davis Cup team for Safin and Youzhny

TennisAgenda
09-21-2006, 04:23 PM
I understand Safin playing Roddick because he is Russia's most talented player and he has the game that can stand up to Andy. However, I am shocked that world no.5 Davydenko has been left off the Davis Cup team. But the more I think about it maybe the Russian captain has a good plan. Because Blake has a 4-0 record against Davydenko so he's used to his style of play. And I believe Roddick has a winning record against Davydenko as well. But clay is Davydenko's best surface and out of all the Russians he is the most consistent in his results. But Roddick and Blake are used to him. So Youzhny and Blake everything is new James has never played him before. And later on they can use Davydenko or Tursanov because both guys are such excellent players.

alfonsojose
09-21-2006, 04:25 PM
Kolya is tired

*Viva Chile*
09-21-2006, 04:45 PM
Kolya is tired
Nodody forces to Kolya to play every week of the year.

Nikolay :rolleyes: :( :o

alfonsojose
09-21-2006, 04:58 PM
Nodody forces to Kolya to play every week of the year.

Nikolay :rolleyes: :( :o
i know. It's his fault. I guess the girlfriend spends everything as we could see in the blog :shrug:

scoobs
09-21-2006, 05:04 PM
Kolya is tired because the last we saw in the blog his gf had vanished with the credit card.

It took 4 days scouring the streets of Beijing to find her. By then she's spent $820,000 and they're now the proud owners of two giant pandas and a Confucian temple not to mention a sexy yin yang thong.

He didn't get much sleep for worring - he thought she'd been arrested for being a member of the Falun Gong and he couldn't get any information from the Chinese Ministry of Information.

Thankfully she found her way back to him after eating nothing but Chinese Food (of course, they just call it Food) and they could finally leave for Russia.

He was too tired to blog all that though, unfortunately.

TennisAgenda
09-21-2006, 05:09 PM
Davydenko makes enough money. I don't get why he plays every single week. He is a millionaire he certainly doesn't need the money. I do think he overextends himself sometimes. But hasn't he won at least 2 or 3 titles this year?

Neverstopfightin
09-21-2006, 05:11 PM
Davydenko not playing on friday = US defeats Russia = Argentina Davis cup champion.

Congrats argies .

Deboogle!.
09-21-2006, 05:14 PM
Davydenko not playing on friday = US defeats Russia = Argentina Davis cup champion.

Congrats argies .Nope I don't think it matters, especially with the way the draw has turned out. Andy will lose to Marat, then James will lose, US won't come back from 0-2 down lol. I actually think James would've had a better shot to beat Davydenko tomorrow than Youzhny.

stebs
09-21-2006, 05:19 PM
:o

Kosm
09-21-2006, 05:24 PM
Kolya is really very tired and not ready to play on Friday. Those who saw russian team practice confirm it. Tarpishev didn't have a choice. But he can make him play on Sunday.

Horatio Caine
09-21-2006, 05:28 PM
I think he could well be used for Sunday...pending the performance of Youzhny tomorrow.

Radek Stepanek
09-21-2006, 05:44 PM
Well . . . Youzhny deserves to, he has had a strong performance. Safin is just Safin, and I understand his choices. But, I feel bad for Koyla! I hope this is what he wanted!

cmurray
09-21-2006, 05:59 PM
So, what are we thinking? That the Bryans are going to post the only win for the US?

No wonder Patrick McEnroe loves them so much.

nobama
09-21-2006, 06:25 PM
Are Safin or Youzhny really good on the dirt though? I thought I read they weren't crazy about the surface either.

Neverstopfightin
09-21-2006, 06:31 PM
Nope I don't think it matters, especially with the way the draw has turned out. Andy will lose to Marat, then James will lose, US won't come back from 0-2 down lol. I actually think James would've had a better shot to beat Davydenko tomorrow than Youzhny.

After day 1 USA will have at least one point . I don't consider unbelievable that Andy can beat the headcase of Safin ( and don't forget that the current Safin isn't the old Safin ) . Roddick has always been a very competitive player and in Seville against Spain he played two very good matches against specialists though he lost them , and why Blake can't beat a non-clay specialist like Youzhny ?? .This year Blake showed that being on fire can be also dangerous on clay.

The second point with the Bryans is pretty sure . Russia facing a lot of pressure in the third day because every match is a " match ball " would be too much and the third point of US will come true.

On Sunday night you will give me the reason ;)

Saumon
09-21-2006, 06:32 PM
Are Safin or Youzhny really good on the dirt though? I thought I read they weren't crazy about the surface either.
no they suck on clay :)

Deboogle!.
09-21-2006, 06:37 PM
After day 1 USA will have at least one point . I don't consider unbelievable that Andy can beat the headcase of Safin ( and don't forget that the current Safin isn't the old Safin ) . Roddick has always been a very competitive player and in Seville against Spain he played two very good matches against specialists though he lost them , and why Blake can't beat a non-clay specialist like Youzhny ?? .This year Blake showed that being on fire can be also dangerous on clay.

The second point with the Bryans is pretty sure . Russia facing a lot of pressure in the third day because every match is a " match ball " would be too much and the third point of US will come true.

On Sunday night you will give me the reason ;):haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: don't get me wrong i will be very happy if you're right.. but. :haha: :haha: :haha:

ExpectedWinner
09-21-2006, 06:39 PM
Are Safin or Youzhny really good on the dirt though? I thought I read they weren't crazy about the surface either.

The don't have to be "really good", they have to be better than Roddick/Blake on Friday.

Neverstopfightin
09-21-2006, 06:40 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: don't get me wrong i will be very happy if you're right.. but. :haha: :haha: :haha:

Do you think is unbelievable US is 2-1 up after saturday ??

Deboogle!.
09-21-2006, 06:41 PM
Do you think is unbelievable US is 2-1 up after saturday ??I sure do.

If you are right, I will be MORE than happy to come here and admit it :lol:

andygabriela
09-21-2006, 06:42 PM
tennisagenda said:
Davydenko makes enough money. I don't get why he plays every single week. He is a millionaire he certainly doesn't need the money.


He plays every week to be able to stay in the top ten !!!
I think...if he doesn't play every week, bye top 10, jiji

cobalt60
09-21-2006, 06:46 PM
Youzhny :drool: ( Cobalt pretending to be Fonsie)

ExpectedWinner
09-21-2006, 06:54 PM
He plays every week to be able to stay in the top ten !!!
I think...if he doesn't play every week, bye top 10, jiji


It's not true. They count only 5 optional events, not 15 or 20. Davy belongs to top10 because he's reached SF/QTR in 3 out of 4 GS tournaments.

zesty_dorito
09-21-2006, 07:09 PM
kolya must be tired (not so iron man anymore, is he?), but Safin has had a pretty sucky year. I don't like this idea, even though nikolay might struggle a bit.

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2006, 07:13 PM
Safin trained since his teens in Spain. Of course he's good on clay.
Youzhny has won Stuttgart. I'm sure he isn't bad.

The main point, as has been pointed before, is that they are not facing Nadal or Ferrer. They're are facing absolutely ridiculous players on clay: Roddick and Blake.

TennisAgenda
09-21-2006, 07:18 PM
Maybe the Russians should of made Safin play Blake. Safin has never lost to Blake before. Blake has a real hard time with Safin. Even this summer Safin beat Blake in straight sets. I think that's a guaranteed point for Russia. And Davydenko could of played Roddick. Roddick has a hard time beating the really good clay court players. Safin will feel a lot of pressure playing Roddick. Blake has the weaker serve and he is more mentally weak. Blake and Youzhny seem too even. I heard that in Davis Cup changes can be made anyway right before the match. Russia should reconsider.

MarieS
09-21-2006, 07:26 PM
Safin's an excellent clay courter(a former RG semifinalist), I don't know why everyone's underestimating him. He grew up on the stuff and is one of very few power players whose game translates really well to clay courts. I'm convinced Roddick has a chance against the current Safin and shouldn't be dismissed so quickly, but it's not because Safin's a horrible clay courter.

As for Blake, he's 27 and his career on clay record is under .500. Pretty sure he sucks on clay. In contrast to Safin, his game really is substantially neutralized on clay, and that why I think Tarpi felt he could throw Youzhny out there and still have a decent chance.

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2006, 07:26 PM
Why should anyone bother? Blake has never won a match that went to the fifth set and to top it off, managed to make something impossible that's losing to CAPDEVILLE ON GRASS!!! Of course losing to Gonzalez is awful too, but even him being uni-dimensional, he's a top 20.

chicky841
09-21-2006, 07:27 PM
It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out in the end.

Kosm
09-21-2006, 07:27 PM
Maybe the Russians should of made Safin play Blake. Safin has never lost to Blake before. Blake has a real hard time with Safin. Even this summer Safin beat Blake in straight sets. I think that's a guaranteed point for Russia. And Davydenko could of played Roddick. Roddick has a hard time beating the really good clay court players. Safin will feel a lot of pressure playing Roddick. Blake has the weaker serve and he is more mentally weak. Blake and Youzhny seem too even. I heard that in Davis Cup changes can be made anyway right before the match. Russia should reconsider.

do you think Tarpi wouldn't make Safin play Blake on Friday if he could ;)
there is a rule #1 plays #2 on Friday....

Deboogle!.
09-21-2006, 07:27 PM
Maybe the Russians should of made Safin play Blake. Safin has never lost to Blake before. Blake has a real hard time with Safin. Even this summer Safin beat Blake in straight sets. I think that's a guaranteed point for Russia. And Davydenko could of played Roddick. Roddick has a hard time beating the really good clay court players. Safin will feel a lot of pressure playing Roddick. Blake has the weaker serve and he is more mentally weak. Blake and Youzhny seem too even. I heard that in Davis Cup changes can be made anyway right before the match. Russia should reconsider.They don't decide; what you have proposed is not possible. Safin could only have played Blake on Friday if he was the top-ranked Russian. on Friday the #1 of each team plays the #2 of each team, then Sunday is switched, with the #1s facing each other always in the first match.

Btw, Andy's played his best clay tennis in davis cup - he may have lost sometimes but still, he played well in the 2004 final against Spain against far better claycourters than the Russians.

Vass
09-21-2006, 07:29 PM
Are Safin or Youzhny really good on the dirt though? I thought I read they weren't crazy about the surface either.


Crazily enough, clay is Safin's favourite surface. It's not his best, but he's good enough on it. On the top-10 level.

mangoes
09-21-2006, 07:38 PM
I know the USA team is the underdog. But, I haven't given up hope that we may pull an upset. Yes, the Russians may be stronger on clay. But, there are many other variables that can swing this in our favor. For example, Marat may have one of his mental meltdowns:angel: Furthermore, I'd rather we face MY than Davy. Even considering Davy's H2H against Andy and Blake, I'd still feel worried facing Davy on clay.

Jimnik
09-21-2006, 07:52 PM
They don't decide; what you have proposed is not possible. Safin could only have played Blake on Friday if he was the top-ranked Russian. on Friday the #1 of each team plays the #2 of each team, then Sunday is switched, with the #1s facing each other always in the first match.

Btw, Andy's played his best clay tennis in davis cup - he may have lost sometimes but still, he played well in the 2004 final against Spain against far better claycourters than the Russians.
Then why are you so convinced that Russia will be leading 2-0 on Friday? :confused:

Deboogle!.
09-21-2006, 07:56 PM
Then why are you so convinced that Russia will be leading 2-0 on Friday? :confused:I'm just saying I don't think Andy will go down as meekly as some people seem to suggest. Anything's possible, but I generally prepare for Andy to lose these really tough big matches so that I am pleasantly surprised when he wins ;)

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2006, 08:00 PM
People like to do that kind of things: "X player has a chance, he's not so bad and yada yada yada" so that if that player wins, they can step up later and say things like: "I've said it before".

Deboogle!.
09-21-2006, 08:03 PM
People like to do that kind of things: "X player has a chance, he's not so bad and yada yada yada" so that if that player wins, they can step up later and say things like: "I've said it before".nono, for me it has nothing to do with that. I just prefer to assume Andy's going to lose so then I'm not disappointed when he does;). that's all :)

Jimnik
09-21-2006, 08:04 PM
I'm just saying I don't think Andy will go down as meekly as some people seem to suggest. Anything's possible, but I generally prepare for Andy to lose these really tough big matches so that I am pleasantly surprised when he wins ;)
Fair enough. :)

I definately hope the match (Marat-Andy) goes to 5 sets - it would be nice if it lived up to all its pre-match hype. There's nothing I hate more in tennis than an anti-climax.

Deboogle!.
09-21-2006, 08:06 PM
Fair enough. :)

I definately hope the match (Marat-Andy) goes to 5 sets - it would be nice if it lived up to all its pre-match hype. There's nothing I hate more in tennis than an anti-climax.Yea I know what you mean. The more things are hyped, it seems the more they disappoint sometimes haha.

It happens at 2am my time anyway, so I will sleep through at least most of the first match :lol:

ANT0N!0
09-22-2006, 12:59 AM
I don't think it was a wise decision from Tarpischev to leave out Davydenko from Russia's opening day singles line-up against USA. Not only because he's a top 10, but also because he has had better results on clay this year compared to Youzhny and has more experience. However, I still think Russia will take a 2-0 lead after Day 1 action, Safin is better than Roddick on clay courts and I believe in Youzhny's chances against Blake..who knows, probably that match will be a 5-setter.

drf716
09-22-2006, 01:09 AM
Russian Mistake Sidelining Davydenko v U.S.?

By Richard Vach

Nikolay Davydenko, the Energizer Bunny of men's professional tennis who seemingly never tired or took a week off during the calendar year, is now regretting his poor scheduling On Thursday the French and US Open semifinalist was pulled from the opening-day line-up for Friday's Davis Cup semifinal between the U.S. and Russia.

Davydenko competed in a robust six events in the short span between Wimbledon and the US Open, and after an exhausting semifinal effort at Flushing Meadows flew directly to Beijing for an ATP event. In Asia the time change and fatigue combined for a retirement in the quarterfinals by the Russian, who cited dizziness/exhaustion.

No doubt Davydenko will play Sunday -- if Russia is not out of the competition by then -- for if the Americans sweep the opening singles and the Saturday doubles, then Russian Captain Shamil Tarpishchev, the king of shaky decision-making, could rue leaving his strongest claycourt player on the sidelines.

"It's a question of who is best on the opening day," Tarpischev said. "Nikolay was in Beijing last week and hasn't fully acclimatized, so we're giving him an extra two days. He'll certainly be available to us on Sunday."

Marat Safin will open against Andy Roddick Friday, then Mikhail Youzhny, Davydenko's singles replacement, will follow against James Blake in a first-time meeting.

Blake has made small steps this year in shaking his reputation as a force restricted to hardcourts. On clay earlier this year he lost in the first rounds at Houston, Rome, and at the World Team Championships in Dusseldorf, but reached the third round at Rome with wins over Carlos Moya and Andy Murray, and the third round at the French Open win a defeat of the hot-handed Nicolas Almagro. On grass this year Blake lost both his Davis Cup singles on U.S. soil in April against Chile, but then beat Roddick en route to the Queen's final.

Roddick will have to put behind him the memory of an injury-riddled claycourt season that was nothing to write home to Austin, TX, about, failing to reach a semifinal and bowing out first round at Roland Garros.

The rankings would indicate Roddick a large favorite, but Safin actually enters the first match with the edge. The big Russian has greater athleticism, a wider variety of shots, and the slow-as-the-Russians-can-make-it red clay that will hinder the American's movement, which is not great even on sure-footed surfaces. Roddick holds a 3-2 advantage in the battle of former No. 1s, all five on hardcourts.

"We know that the Russians -- and it's part of the strength of their team -- have four (strong) players," U.S. captain Patrick McEnroe said. "The bottom line is to win three points whatever way we can...The fact that Youzhny is going to play the second match and maybe play the doubles the next day, maybe it's a slight advantage. But, obviously, the guy is extremely fit, though I'm not sure he will play doubles."

It would be another poor decision to leave Youzhny, who beat the Bryans at the US Open a couple weeks back, out of the Saturday doubles, but don't put that past Tarpishchev.
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let korolev play!!!! :lol:

sylacauga
09-22-2006, 01:10 AM
Yet more evidence that Davydenko is underrented.

Merton
09-22-2006, 01:16 AM
The choice makes sense for Russia, if they are down 2-1 then the fresh Davydenko will face Andy on Sunday.

ys
09-22-2006, 02:16 AM
Do you think is unbelievable US is 2-1 up after saturday ??

I find it more believable that USA will have to play one of Bryans in a live singles rubber as both Roddick and Blake have a history of getting injured on clay, and here we have all factors of risk - not natural poor quality uneven indoors clay, in the middle of hardcourt season, and best-of -five on top of that. Depth alone and natural claycourt footwork of all their players ( apart from Tursunov, naturally ) gives Russia a huge edge.

Deboogle!.
09-22-2006, 02:47 AM
I find it more believable that USA will have to play one of Bryans in a live singles rubber as both Roddick and Blake have a history of getting injured on clay, and here we have all factors of risk - not natural poor quality uneven indoors clay, in the middle of hardcourt season, and best-of -five on top of that. Depth alone and natural claycourt footwork of all their players ( apart from Tursunov, naturally ) gives Russia a huge edge.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

drf716
09-22-2006, 02:50 AM
as both Roddick and Blake have a history of getting injured on clay
why did i laugh upon reading that?

Deboogle!.
09-22-2006, 02:51 AM
why did i laugh upon reading that?b/c it's ridiculous and not true and not substantiated by any facts? Andy did get injured this clay season, but it had nothing to do with the fact that it was clay? and if it was some allusion to James's accident 2 years ago then that's just out right mean.

*Viva Chile*
09-22-2006, 02:53 AM
no they suck on clay :)
Training in Spain since 14 years old, Winning "the Godó", reaching RG SF, making Hamburg Finals for 3 years doesn't mean that Marat suck on clay IMO.

ys
09-22-2006, 03:08 AM
Training in Spain since 14 years old, Winning "the Godó", reaching RG SF, making Hamburg Finals for 3 years doesn't mean that Marat suck on clay IMO.

Leaving alone the fact that the only player to ever beat Safin in Davis Cup in Moscow was ... Federer. And the only player to beat him in Davis Cup on clay in last 5 years.. was also Roger in the same very match. We are very used to Marat turning in the all-crushing from come Davis Cup. Ask the French.

ys
09-22-2006, 03:15 AM
b/c it's ridiculous and not true and not substantiated by any facts? Andy did get injured this clay season, but it had nothing to do with the fact that it was clay? and if it was some allusion to James's accident 2 years ago then that's just out right mean.

Each time I see Andy playing on clay he looks awkward.. I must be imagining things, because somehow I almost have a vision of Andy rolling his ankle and retiring against Hewitt at Roland Garros.. Not sure if I was it in my sleep..
Mean or not, Americans have a problem of moving on clay, undeniable problem.. Neither of them can really slide, and when they chase dropshots I lways feel that the net is in danger.. There will be plenty of dropshots from Misha and Marat. That I know for sure. Though they might not have to. With slow surface neglecting the serve, I can hardly see Blake or Roddick hanging on with Youzhnyi or Safin from the baseline.

Michael Pemulis
09-22-2006, 02:16 PM
At this time every tennis fan should know Kolya Davydenko won’t play in the opening day of Davis Cup semifinal between Russia and United States. Some people think he’d have played. He’s n. 5 in the rankings, had a great run in Us Open (where he surrendered himself only to Fed Ex. in the SF).
So, why did the Russian captain Shamil Tarpishev manage to sidestep Kolya? Too dizzy? Too tired after travelling around the world and playing hundreds of matches? Nope, I don’t think it matters. I think the selection of Marat Safin and Misha Youzhny for the first two singles is somewhat strategy based. I mean, Shamil Tarpishev has at his disposal four good players – Marat, Misha, Kolya and Dima – whit different games and different track records against the America opponents. Kolya is an excellent runner and a very consistent ground-stroker, but he struggles a bit against the hard hitters. On clay court too. Too little variations on a straight baseline tennis game to make troubles. And today’s American opponents are A Rod and Blake, two of most popular hard-hitting “maniacs” of the tennis circuit. Now, let’s take a look to the track records. Kolya has 0-4 record against both Blake (all matches on hard court) and Roddick (even one match on clay). Safin has a 2-3 record against A Rod (they never played each other on clay), and a 2-0 record against Blake. That’s about it.
Another important thing: in the last US Open Davydenko defeated Tommy Haas who defeated Marat Safin. So the transitive law says Davydenko is better than Safin, transitive law does not apply in any sports activities.
The Russians have to win at least 3 singles matches, ‘cause the Brians’ will nearly for sure win the doubles. Therefore, they needed a strategy. On Sunday night we will see if this one – sidestepping Kolya at least on the opening day - will have worked out.

TheBoiledEgg
09-22-2006, 02:35 PM
:rolls: :haha: at stupid Yank Journalism

what do they know

Marat and Misha !!!!!!!!

tomorrow it will be the Dima and Misha show :devil:

Melekhin
09-22-2006, 03:04 PM
plaaah!!!! :haha:

what they will tell now after USA dowm 0-2

MarieS
09-22-2006, 03:17 PM
Russian Mistake Sidelining Davydenko v U.S.?

By Richard Vach

No doubt Davydenko will play Sunday -- if Russia is not out of the competition by then -- for if the Americans sweep the opening singles and the Saturday doubles, then Russian Captain Shamil Tarpishchev, the king of shaky decision-making, could rue leaving his strongest claycourt player on the sidelines.

"It's a question of who is best on the opening day," Tarpischev said. "Nikolay was in Beijing last week and hasn't fully acclimatized, so we're giving him an extra two days. He'll certainly be available to us on Sunday."


As always: shaky reporting from Vach, superior decision-making from Tarpi. All bow down to the king. :bowdown:
I can't believe Vach actually wrote the following: "No doubt Davydenko will play Sunday -- if Russia is not out of the competition by then..." :retard: He actually thought USA had a chance of sweeping the singles. WOW.

TheBoiledEgg
09-22-2006, 03:18 PM
the big Q should be

why are the yanks so useless on clay :rolls:

Sjengster
09-22-2006, 03:48 PM
b/c it's ridiculous and not true and not substantiated by any facts? Andy did get injured this clay season, but it had nothing to do with the fact that it was clay? and if it was some allusion to James's accident 2 years ago then that's just out right mean.

It might indeed be just a coincidence and nothing to do with the surface, but it's certainly true that he's been injured a lot on clay - as ys says there was his retirement against Hewitt at RG 2001, the injury this year, and didn't he also hurt his knee during the 2004 clay season, forcing him to miss Hamburg? He's had plenty of injury problems on faster surfaces though, so I doubt it's a clay-specific issue.