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Federer vs Roddick Forehand w/ Pics

lordmanji
09-21-2006, 01:14 AM
Watching Roddick v Federer at the USOpen final, the contrast between the two players' forehands is more stark. Federer hits his fh w/ seeming ease, alot of pace and racket speed while Roddick really has to take time and load up, more topspin and less depth. Here's some pics showing some of the differences in technique between the players.

Roddick1
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2935/roddickforehand1tt9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Federer1
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2364/ffedererforehandia1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Roddick2
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2943/roddickforehand2do2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Federer2
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5995/federerforehandcontact2iu2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Roddick Finish
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7037/roddickforehandfinishxj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Federer Finish
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3345/federerforehandfinishsd4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And Amelies forehand :rolleyes:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2787/mauresmoforehanddvw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

wimbledonfan
09-21-2006, 01:41 AM
What I don't like about Roddicks forehand is that there is too much upper body movement . Federer on the other hand is so relaxed and focused when he takes a shot which is why he's very consistent with it .

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2006, 01:47 AM
That's the difference between a full-western and a semi-western. Federer's forehand is the most perfect shot of today's tennis.

hotsportslinks
09-21-2006, 01:49 AM
very nice picks,you can see a differnce in their strokes

Johnny Groove
09-21-2006, 01:50 AM
I think we need a lefty forehand to compare as well :devil:

And why is Amelie here? :rolleyes:

General Suburbia
09-21-2006, 02:42 AM
Call me biased, but I always preferred players with semiwestern grips to western ones.

R.Federer
09-21-2006, 05:19 AM
I liked how you put Amelie's at the end, what an anticlimax to the other forehand pictures :lol:

prima donna
09-21-2006, 05:22 AM
I think we need a lefty forehand to compare as well :devil:

And why is Amelie here? :rolleyes:

How about a simple comparison between the 2006 U.S Open Finalists ?

lordmanji
09-21-2006, 05:28 AM
roddick seems to bend his elbow much more. it gives him more topspin but in exchange for less penetration and pace. on a fast court like the us open versus a slow surface that rewards topspin like the ao or fo, if you boil it down to pure technique feds has the advantage. the full western will bounce perfectly in the semi's zone to blast away - around the hip area and in front (as the ball is shallow).

amelies forehand is i think even uglier than andys.

lordmanji
09-21-2006, 06:43 AM
that is the old roddick forehand...it is even worse now...i dont get?
it its like he hates the way he used to hit it or he is scared of it or something, quizzical really.

from watching that proandy video where he played fed in cincy in 2003 and beat fed, andy was hitting w/ much more pace though the form looked very similar. im thinking he was between semi and full western before and now has turned full. he really whips/windshield wipes the ball now (possibly b4)

¿esquímaux?
09-21-2006, 10:01 AM
I absolutely DIG the Momo predlez forehand :yeah: :yeah: :hearts:

nobama
09-21-2006, 01:21 PM
Look where Roger's eyes are compared to Andy's. Never takes his eye off the ball.

Yappa
09-21-2006, 01:41 PM
Its funny to see what they do with their left hands. And I didnt know about Roddicks tongue habit when hitting a ball.

Neely
09-21-2006, 02:45 PM
It's clear that Federer has the better technique, but when comparing such shots how easy, fluent and beautiful they are looking, you also have to take into consideration how hard each of these player strings. While each player can have effective and good shots with any common string tension, especially if you compared (imaginary) good one-handed backhands of Malisse, Kiefer, Haas, Blake or Roddick who usually play with steel on their rackets versus Federer, Vliegen, Gaudio, Sanguinetti, Volandri, Gasquet who are (mostly, depends on the day and conditions of course) playing with a trampoline, I'm sure 80% would say "oh, look at [guy's name of the latter category] how easy, fluent, effortless and beautiful he pulls through in his backhand motion" while the motion of the guys stringing more 10kg or harder naturally looks rougher.

lordmanji
09-21-2006, 03:02 PM
It's clear that Federer has the better technique, but when comparing such shots how easy, fluent and beautiful they are looking, you also have to take into consideration how hard each of these player strings. While each player can have effective and good shots with any common string tension, especially if you compared (imaginary) good one-handed backhands of Malisse, Kiefer, Haas, Blake or Roddick who usually play with steel on their rackets versus Federer, Vliegen, Gaudio, Sanguinetti, Volandri, Gasquet who are (mostly, depends on the day and conditions of course) playing with a trampoline, I'm sure 80% would say "oh, look at [guy's name of the latter category] how easy, fluent, effortless and beautiful he pulls through in his backhand motion" while the motion of the guys stringing more 10kg or harder naturally looks rougher.

excellent point. i forget but doesnt fed string at the lowest recommended tension for his nsix one?

i dont know how fed modified his racket, but if what the racket modifier said in the tennis.com article said applies its basically the same as the consumer model w/ possible length modification, of course much better strings,and weight.

my point is, i used to play with the nsix one strung at the medium recommended tension and it is impossible to play with unless you bang at it. (if you check tenniswarehouse, you'll find it has one of the lowest power levels of any of the rackets.) so perhaps fed stringing it at a low tension is to the end that it plays llike a "regular" racket like a babolat pure drive?

i suppose the next step is to find a player with a full western and diffferent technique.

alfonsojose
09-21-2006, 04:23 PM
Does Federer use a semiwestern? I think is something between semi w and eastern. It looks a bit like Graf's or Lindsay's

lordmanji
09-21-2006, 05:57 PM
Does Federer use a semiwestern? I think is something between semi w and eastern. It looks a bit like Graf's or Lindsay's

dont quote me, but i remember reading from a couple places (the old tennis.com grip guide i think) that fed uses a semiwestern. also, i use a semiwes also but it sometimes slips after an hr of play to a full western. when it slips, my fh looks like andy's and its quite a challenge to hit the ball w/ pace so you end up gripping it tight and trying to power it over.

this is one reason i think andy should if he doesnt already string it w/ low tension. the topspin keeps the ball in the court already so you can afford to string it looser w/ bonus of pace. and perhaps andy started out w/ a semi wes as i remember his fh did have more pace in 03 but it moved over to full in the last couple of years? the full admittedly is more comfortable/natural of a grip than semiwes (for me anyway) until you take a swing. ;)

PamV
09-21-2006, 06:02 PM
Look where Roger's eyes are compared to Andy's. Never takes his eye off the ball.

Roddick also needs to stick his tongue out during his shots to help him focus. :confused:

PamV
09-21-2006, 06:02 PM
Does Federer use a semiwestern? I think is something between semi w and eastern. It looks a bit like Graf's or Lindsay's

Could someone post a picture of the different grip positions?

LCeh
09-21-2006, 06:08 PM
Does Federer use a semiwestern? I think is something between semi w and eastern. It looks a bit like Graf's or Lindsay's

According to someone who has looked into this extensively, you are correct. Federer usually uses a grip that's between Eastern and Semi-western. :)

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2006, 07:18 PM
Call me biased, but I always preferred players with semiwestern grips to western ones.

Me too.

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2006, 07:19 PM
Does Federer use a semiwestern? I think is something between semi w and eastern. It looks a bit like Graf's or Lindsay's

According to the definitions, anything between western and eastern is semi-western. It's not restricted to a 50% radical turn on the grip, as the prefix implies.

lordmanji
09-21-2006, 07:26 PM
How to grasp semi-Western grip
tennis hand

Place your racquet on the ground, and just grasp the racquet naturally from the above or rotate the grip about 90 degrees from continental grip.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8729/handzr8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

More precisely, place the base of the index finger (see picture) to the No.4 plane in the right figure. (for full Western grip on the No.5 plane)
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3193/gripnf4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

The continental grip is on bevel no. 2 and eastern is on bevel no. 3.

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2006, 07:33 PM
How to grasp semi-Western grip
tennis hand

Place your racquet on the ground, and just grasp the racquet naturally from the above or rotate the grip about 90 degrees from continental grip.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8729/handzr8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

More precisely, place the base of the index finger (see picture) to the No.4 plane in the right figure. (for full Western grip on the No.5 plane)
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3193/gripnf4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

The continental grip is on bevel no. 2 and eastern is on bevel no. 3.

Following that is beyond amateurish.

lordmanji
09-21-2006, 07:36 PM
FOREHAND GRIP ACCORDING TO WHERE KNUCKLE OF YOUR INDEX FINGER RESTS ON THE GRIP

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3787/gripguideny8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

GlennMirnyi
09-21-2006, 07:38 PM
You should be in the arseclown championship for that.

lordmanji
09-21-2006, 07:39 PM
Following that is beyond amateurish.

this is the easiest and most accurate way for me (and i believe others) to think of the grips and i have no reason to think theyre at all wrong technically. its up to you to explain why they're "amateurish" and please tell me what a grip guide on the "tour level" looks like please.

Sheek
09-21-2006, 08:31 PM
Could someone post a picture of the different grip positions?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/tennis/style.shtml

;)

alfonsojose
09-21-2006, 09:23 PM
Following that is beyond amateurish.
:haha: :haha: Keep going in the tournament :wavey: :retard:

lordmanji
09-21-2006, 10:19 PM
From Youtube:

Roddick Forehand in SloMo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAKrOD06HWU&mode=related&search=)

Exquisite Federer FH SloMo Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t3auwuvJNk&mode=related&search=)


And as for Fed's grip, if you notice where his index knuckle is, he looks to be using between a eastern and semi western in this video
Federer Forehand SloMo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIgofROnUNE)

neenah
09-21-2006, 11:30 PM
Look where Roger's eyes are compared to Andy's. Never takes his eye off the ball.

Federer seems to be looking more at the ball or the point of contact while Roddick tends to look ahead. I'm not sure if there is a reasoning behind this or it's just these pictures.. :confused:

PamV
09-21-2006, 11:41 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/tennis/style.shtml

;)

Thanks.

Pinkskunk
12-01-2006, 03:05 PM
3 and 7 are racquet face. So i assume the ball make contact is on Plane 7 for all grips?



FOREHAND GRIP ACCORDING TO WHERE KNUCKLE OF YOUR INDEX FINGER RESTS ON THE GRIP

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3787/gripguideny8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Pinkskunk
12-01-2006, 03:09 PM
Is there a reason to doubt that his illustration is incorrect? i have seen other posters links to show people holding the racquets, but i still cannot make out where the index finger knucle is.
Following that is beyond amateurish.