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What if Federer were an American?

ToanNguyen
09-20-2006, 09:32 PM
An interesting article. Quite agree with it though.

American underdogs
If it's not our star and our sport, U.S. just doesn't care

If Roger Federer were American and Tiger Woods weren't, would our attitudes about their respective sports be different?
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Suppose, just suppose, that instead of having an American father and a Thai mother, Tiger Woods had an American mother and a Thai father. Yes, suppose Tiger Woods had grown up Thai.

Can you just imagine what mere cursory attention he'd be getting in the U.S.? Why most of the media would probably be falling all over itself wondering if Davis Love III and Chris DeMarco could finally improve their games to catch up with that whatshisname Asian guy.

And suppose, just suppose, that Roger Federer had come from Maryland instead of Switzerland. Why, our kid from Bethesda would already have a new Cadillac model named after him, and Paris Hilton and Joe Lieberman would be leading the new American tennis boom.

Instead, when Federer, the defending champion, four-time Wimbledon winner, played a key match at the Open a couple weeks ago, the U.S. Tennis Association put him on the lounge court, while scheduling an American, James Blake, in the stadium. Blake, to use that wonderful British word, is a "useful" player; Federer may be the greatest artist in the history of his sport.

But Federer's slighting is what's to be expected here. How strange that we are such a narrow, jingoistic sports country -- us, this cherished land of immigrants. If the U.S. Tennis Association was in charge of music instead of tennis, Placido Domingo would be singing at a suburban Ramada Inn piano bar, while Snoop Dogg worked Lincoln Center. Gee, even Woods dared root for Federer. Is it against the Patriot Act if I want to cheer for Vijay Singh or Ernie Els in some golf tournament?

But here's the strange twist. While we're only allowed to root for Americans in individual sports, we really don't care all that much when American teams play other nations. Hey, what matters in team play in the U.S. is only our strictly domestic stuff: Yankees-Red-Sox, Texas-Oklahoma, Central High-Eastside High. 'Mercans vs. 'Mercans -- that's where it's at. Who cares 'bout them silly furriners?

Maybe that's why we were losers this year in ice hockey, baseball, soccer and basketball in world championship competitions. In tennis, we've lost the Davis Cup 10 years in a row and are expected to lose again in Moscow this weekend.

It's always dangerously facile to make political analogies out of sport, but it's hard to ignore the point that our current American tendency toward arrogance and imperiousness seems to be reflected in the way we look at international sport. We've been assured we're best, so if somebody else wins it must be some kind of aberration.

Oh well, the U.S. Ryder Cup team starts play in Ireland in a couple of days against the Europeans, and because Tiger Woods really is an American, and, like Federer in tennis, very possibly the best there ever was in his sport, more of us are paying attention.

About the only blemish on Woods' record is his dismal performance in the Ryder Cup. His interest in international team play seems to have mirrored that of most of his countrymen. But now even Tiger's pride seems to be pricked by how the aliens have been whipping up on us lately in golf . . . and everything else.

Hey, we're actually underdogs now. Get used to it.

tangerine_dream
09-20-2006, 10:06 PM
Another ignorant anti-American sports writer trying to make himself look high and mighty. http://www.emutalk.net/images/smilies/newsmilies/yawn.gif

DrJules
09-20-2006, 10:10 PM
Another ignorant anti-American sports writer trying to make himself look high and mighty. http://www.emutalk.net/images/smilies/newsmilies/yawn.gif

tangerine_dream being hypersensitive about anyone daring to be critical of America:help:

MarieS
09-20-2006, 10:11 PM
There's a lot of truth in that....If Fed was American, tennis would be MUCH bigger as a sport. But he's not, and it isn't, so ultimately it's a moot point.

tangerine_dream
09-20-2006, 10:14 PM
There's a lot of truth in that....If Fed was American, tennis would be MUCH bigger as a sport. But he's not, and it isn't, so ultimately it's a moot point.
Um, Andre Agassi was about as big a tennis star in this country as you could get and guess what? The tennis ratings were still flatlining during his prime years. Not even the Sampras rivalry could save our dwindling interest in this sport.

So once again: Federer being Swiss or American has nothing to do with the fact that tennis, the sport itself, is not popular in the US.

adee-gee
09-20-2006, 10:16 PM
:zzz:

How original.

MarieS
09-20-2006, 10:19 PM
Um, Andre Agassi was about as big a tennis star in this country as you could get and guess what? The tennis ratings were still flatlining during his prime years. Not even the Sampras rivalry could save our dwindling interest in this sport.

So once again: Federer being Swiss or American has nothing to do with the fact that tennis, the sport itself, is not popular in the US.
I'm not saying the reason why tennis isn't popular is solely b/c Fed is from Switzerland, but I do think him being an American would help.
It's all a matter of perception anyway. In my mind, if Fed was American, tennis would get more attention from the American sports media and fans. You might see it otherwise.

DrJules
09-20-2006, 10:22 PM
:zzz:

How original.

Is that the best somebody trying to win the "Arse Clown Champs" can do :tape:

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-20-2006, 10:39 PM
Stupid Fedtards. Always complaining their god doesn't get enough attention. :)

My logic will be the light which cure their diseased minds. :cool:

PamV
09-20-2006, 10:59 PM
An interesting article. Quite agree with it though.

American underdogs
If it's not our star and our sport, U.S. just doesn't care



I disagree. There are a lot of assumptions being made here. How does he know what each and every American tennis fan is thinking at home and who they want to watch?

Wasn't Borg popular despite not being American? The fact is Federer is a sexy guy to women over the age of 20. Most of the time decissions about broadcasting are made by stuffy old men who don't have a clue. Furthermore, to real tennis fans.....Fed's game is miraculous. Who cares if he's American? If he were American he probably wouldn't have turned out to be so cool and such a good dresser.

adee-gee
09-20-2006, 11:24 PM
Is that the best somebody trying to win the "Arse Clown Champs" can do :tape:
I'm not wasting my energy on bullshit threads like these. I save it for good threads.

Anyway, Federer could be American and Woods be from Outer Mongolia and Tiger would still be considered the better sportsman. I'm fed up of these nonsense threads about Federer doesn't get the credit he deserves because he isn't American. Well boo fucking hoo :bigcry:

There you go, I did waste some time :p

Mechlan
09-20-2006, 11:59 PM
Ignoring the US-bashing for a sec, it seems to me that if indeed Federer was American and Woods was not, Roger would be more popular than he is now and Tiger would be less popular. This has nothing to do with the popularity of tennis versus golf or even about how entertaining/charismatic the two are. It's a reflection of how much of a role the media has in determining popularity. If Roger were American, he would be hyped far more than he is already, and would probably play more events in the States, and just have better name and face recognition around the country.

PamV
09-21-2006, 12:55 AM
Ignoring the US-bashing for a sec, it seems to me that if indeed Federer was American and Woods was not, Roger would be more popular than he is now and Tiger would be less popular. This has nothing to do with the popularity of tennis versus golf or even about how entertaining/charismatic the two are. It's a reflection of how much of a role the media has in determining popularity. If Roger were American, he would be hyped far more than he is already, and would probably play more events in the States, and just have better name and face recognition around the country.

I think it does have more to do with the popularity of the sport in question. There are foreign golfers who are better known in the US than Andy Roddick. The fact is golf is more wide spread in the US.

However, none of that matters to me as a tennis fan. Why do I care what other people like or don't like?

PamV
09-21-2006, 01:00 AM
There's a lot of truth in that....If Fed was American, tennis would be MUCH bigger as a sport. But he's not, and it isn't, so ultimately it's a moot point.

None of that has to do with Fed not being American. It has to do with the bias of the sponsors and people in broadcasting who make arbitrary decissions of whom they think Americans will like. In other words it's not that Americans don't like Fed, it's that the sponsors and network exec live in a bubble.

They are still opperating under the misconception that Sharapova is a sex kitten like Kournikova.....instead of the giant lumbering ox that she is with the voice like a goose. NTAWWT. All the sponsors and broadcasting execs see is blonde hair and they think that dictates that she attracts viewers.

PamV
09-21-2006, 01:01 AM
Ignoring the US-bashing for a sec, it seems to me that if indeed Federer was American and Woods was not, Roger would be more popular than he is now and Tiger would be less popular. This has nothing to do with the popularity of tennis versus golf or even about how entertaining/charismatic the two are. It's a reflection of how much of a role the media has in determining popularity. If Roger were American, he would be hyped far more than he is already, and would probably play more events in the States, and just have better name and face recognition around the country.

Was tennis more popular for during the few months that Andy Roddick was the #1 player. No it really wasn't. As if people suddenly want to see tennis because an American is #1 is very shallow thinking.

Tennis Fool
09-21-2006, 01:25 AM
IWasn't Borg popular despite not being American?
Borg was popular only because of his rivalry with McEnroe. I don't think he'd be remembered at all if it weren't for the brass US tennis stars of that day. That said, tennis was way bigger in the 1970s and the general view of the sports world was more embracing of outsiders I believe then, more than now. If not, I don't see how Borg could have made it to all the SI covers.

I don't think in this environment SI would care.


Also, nobody cared a rat's ass about the Tour de France until Lance won it 6 times. If it had been someone not American, we'd never hear about it.

Tennis Fool
09-21-2006, 01:27 AM
Was tennis more popular for during the few months that Andy Roddick was the #1 player. No it really wasn't. As if people suddenly want to see tennis because an American is #1 is very shallow thinking.
That's because Andy has no appeal outside of Duck Nation.

Now, if it were James, that'd be another story.

Mechlan
09-21-2006, 01:45 AM
Was tennis more popular for during the few months that Andy Roddick was the #1 player. No it really wasn't. As if people suddenly want to see tennis because an American is #1 is very shallow thinking.

My argument isn't that tennis is more popular because of the people at the top (that's a discussion for later!). What i was saying is there are some athletes who, if they were american, would get a lot more publicity that they do right now - even if they were exactly the same person they currently are.

One of those useless "what if" questions. Still, I see the kind of attention that Dent, Fish, Ginepri, etc. get here in the US relative to their achievements and I doubt very much that it has to do with the fact that they are wonderfully charismatic or ambassadors of the sport or whatever other wonderful traits they inherently have (though it could be all of the above, of course ;)).

Fedever
09-21-2006, 02:27 AM
From the article:
Instead, when Federer, the defending champion, four-time Wimbledon winner, played a key match at the Open a couple weeks ago, the U.S. Tennis Association put him on the lounge court, while scheduling an American, James Blake, in the stadium. Blake, to use that wonderful British word, is a "useful" player; Federer may be the greatest artist in the history of his sport


This is what bothers me more than anything! I want to see the genius play of Roger! :worship: When he gets reduced TV coverage JUST because the other player is American it is infuriating! :mad: Especially because Roger is #1 player in the world!!!

Fan of: Federer and Safin
Not: Roddick or Blake
Respect: Nadal, Baghdatis and Nalbandian

Corey Feldman
09-21-2006, 03:17 AM
If fed was a yank he'd have won S.I sportsman of the year at least once....... and not been 18th or whatever he usually is.

:p

gulzhan
09-21-2006, 06:55 AM
If Fed were an American, he would be more popular in US and all US sport channels would show his every match even vs Donald Young (espeially vs Donald Young! :haha: ). If Fed were a Brit, he would be Sir Fed by now and Brits would show only him, not endless Henmann and Rusedski! :haha: If Fed were a Russian, he would be way more popluar in Russia. And NTV Tennis would use 2 channels to show BOTH Fed and Safin! :haha: If Fed were a French, he would be WOW popular in France! Forget Big John! :haha: If Fed were a Kazak... :unsure: :lol:

:yawn: :zzz:

As to tennis florishing.... :confused: Anybody saw any sign of a men's tennis bum in Switzerland? Don't count the local bum in the Wawrinka family! :p

China will have the next (after Eastern Europe and Russia) tennis success. Not because Fed looks Chinese! :lol: It's a question of hungry youngsters eager to do hard physical work for big money. :wavey:

doublebackhand
09-21-2006, 07:20 AM
Was tennis more popular for during the few months that Andy Roddick was the #1 player. No it really wasn't. As if people suddenly want to see tennis because an American is #1 is very shallow thinking.


sadly, thats the truth in america.

oz_boz
09-21-2006, 07:44 AM
If Fed were Russian, he would get more attention there and the sport would be more popular.

Why would the same not be true for the US?

liptea
09-21-2006, 08:08 AM
If Roger started taking steroids, he'd be famous everywhere real fast.

forever_rafter
09-21-2006, 11:05 AM
If Roger was American he would be on the cover of People mag as the sexiest man alive a long ago...

denisgiann
09-21-2006, 11:22 AM
Ιf he was an American he would be worshiped like a god.Americans have such a fixation with always winning so Fed would be their perfect champion.

alal
09-21-2006, 11:37 AM
I think it does have more to do with the popularity of the sport in question. There are foreign golfers who are better known in the US than Andy Roddick. The fact is golf is more wide spread in the US.

However, none of that matters to me as a tennis fan. Why do I care what other people like or don't like?
That's because golf now is a sports which an American dominates, so Americans watch golf and know golf players, but Andy is far from dominting tennis

alal
09-21-2006, 11:42 AM
If Fed were Russian, he would get more attention there and the sport would be more popular.

Why would the same not be true for the US?
Every country worships thier own players, but just American tries to generalize their thoughts to others such as Fed is boring, tennis is now boring, Pete is better than Fed,..., while other countries do this a lot less; admittedly, some do, though.

SwissMister1
09-21-2006, 01:59 PM
If Roger were from Bethesda, he would have played golf...there are a million country clubs around there, and only one set of tennis courts with lights that barely work :lol:

nobama
09-21-2006, 02:09 PM
Great, another American bashing article from an American. :rolleyes:

nobama
09-21-2006, 02:16 PM
If fed was a yank he'd have won S.I sportsman of the year at least once....... and not been 18th or whatever he usually is.

:pDid Sampras ever get that honor? I don't remember him ever being on the cover. So Roger doesn't get SI Sportsman of the year or an ESPY award for player of the year. Big deal. He's won the Laureus world sportsman award now two years in a row. That certainly is a more prestigious award than SI or ESPN. I know that tennis is a niche sport in the USA and will never be that popular. As long as I can still catch it somewhere on TV I don't care.

nobama
09-21-2006, 02:16 PM
If Roger was American he would be on the cover of People mag as the sexiest man alive a long ago...:tape: you're kidding, right?

Corey Feldman
09-21-2006, 04:57 PM
Did Sampras ever get that honor? I don't remember him ever being on the cover. So Roger doesn't get SI Sportsman of the year or an ESPY award for player of the year. Big deal. He's won the Laureus world sportsman award now two years in a row. That certainly is a more prestigious award than SI or ESPN. I know that tennis is a niche sport in the USA and will never be that popular. As long as I can still catch it somewhere on TV I don't care.I dont know... maybe he did??
and he never won 3 slams in a year.

guy in sf
09-29-2006, 06:56 AM
If he was American, the American press would have called him the greatest ever 3 slams ago!

World Beater
09-29-2006, 07:30 AM
If he was American, the American press would have called him the greatest ever 3 slams ago!

probably before that....

i saw someone on espn write an article when dy was 12, that he would become the greatest ever and that he would be roger's challenger:tape:

TennisGrandSlam
09-29-2006, 08:49 AM
There's a lot of truth in that....If Fed was American, tennis would be MUCH bigger as a sport. But he's not, and it isn't, so ultimately it's a moot point.

In 2004 Roger won small slam : Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open, Amercian said that who is Federer? :rolleyes: :devil:

TennisGrandSlam
09-29-2006, 08:54 AM
If Roger wants most American to like him, he should choose to be naturalized citizen of USA. :o

bokehlicious
09-29-2006, 09:05 AM
If Roger wants most American to like him, he should choose to be naturalized citizen of USA. :o

I guess (and hope) he couldn't care less about being loved or not there... Swiss citizens never change their citizenship btw :)

nobama
09-29-2006, 12:24 PM
If Roger wants most American to like him, he should choose to be naturalized citizen of USA. :oPerhaps Roger doesn't really care? :shrug:

Kip
09-29-2006, 04:05 PM
Just because some people are tired of it doesn't mean that there isn't some truth to it. It isn't the only factor but it is one of the factors, and when you're talking about casual fans as opposed to hardcore fans it could be a bigger factor.

And sports will get more recognition in any country when more and more top players are being produced by that country. Just because this article points out that it happens in America too doesn't make it anti-American in the least.

I agree.

Every country has it's home media bias and the US is no exception.
This is not about bashing anyone, just stating a fact that in America
Roger Federer would be an even bigger deal and star in this country
if he were American ala a Sampras, who like Roger wasn't a flashy
look at me look at me off court personality ala Agassi that garnered
even more attention.

loner
09-29-2006, 04:11 PM
I don't know.

Andre♥
09-29-2006, 04:47 PM
If Federer was american, he would be a worse player. Especially on clay. I still don't get it why american tennis school don't put their students playing on clay. Excluding Courier and Agassi, the last generations of american players are very poor on clay and that's sad... :(

dkw
09-29-2006, 09:15 PM
Well if Federer was American I'd get a chance to use the term Ugly American over and over again :D

refero*fervens
09-30-2006, 05:00 AM
If Roger wants most American to like him, he should choose to be naturalized citizen of USA. :o

Americans do like him. Just listen to Roddick, Blake, Gimelstob...:p ;)

atheneglaukopis
09-30-2006, 07:56 AM
If Federer were American, Blake would be right. :)

TennisGrandSlam
10-01-2006, 01:41 PM
If Federer were American, Blake would be right. :)

haha

urock34
10-01-2006, 04:29 PM
he would still look ugly and have a gf that lookes like a cow

guy in sf
10-02-2006, 08:39 AM
I really detest rude, irrelevant and insensitive comments like the previous post, just totally uncalled for. Think you could ask the wizard for a heart and some sense of decency buddy?

Btw, when you guys say that if Federer was American, tennis would be a much bigger sport....I'm guessing that you mean tennis would be a much bigger sport "in America", right? I don't think tennis' popularity would be affected outside the US if the no. 1 player in the world was American.