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Horatio Caine
09-18-2006, 06:23 PM
I read in ACE magazine that Roddick was filmed by a US TV crew during the US Open gratefully receiving birthday cards from some kids...but he was, unfortunately for him, also caught on camera screwing up the cards and throwing them in a nearby trashcan shortly after.

No-one would expect stars to keep "fanmail"...but that was a little heartless. He could, for instance, have disposed of the cards at home. :rolleyes:

My estimations of Roddick have dropped somewhat.

El Legenda
09-18-2006, 06:25 PM
nice timing Jez...if you posted this last night...you might hava taken a set of me...:wavey:

Horatio Caine
09-18-2006, 06:26 PM
you might hava taken a set of me...:wavey:

I always beat you - you're my biatch :wavey:

hitchhiker
09-18-2006, 06:27 PM
I heard that Roddick wiped his ass with the birthday cards

Byrd
09-18-2006, 06:33 PM
I heard that Roddick wiped his ass with the birthday cards

Wiped his ass with the kids is more appropriate in the context of the matter.

dkw
09-18-2006, 07:11 PM
Hate to be the voice of reason... but I'm sure the fan books the wack jobs on this board send players like Federer and Safin end up in the thrash pile as well!

cobalt60
09-18-2006, 07:15 PM
Do you have the link for the quote?

tangerine_dream
09-18-2006, 07:24 PM
For some reason I'm reminded of all those condolence books being tossed out by the British royal family after Princess Diana's death.

Corey Feldman
09-18-2006, 07:32 PM
Hope he didnt do that to the cards i send him every year :awww: :sad:

Honalulu78
09-18-2006, 08:54 PM
maybe is was the envelopes he was throwing away
i cant see Andy throwing the cards away like that

zicofirol
09-18-2006, 08:58 PM
Hate to be the voice of reason... but I'm sure the fan books the wack jobs on this board send players like Federer and Safin end up in the thrash pile as well!
haha, people here send fan books?? Pathetic

The first time I visited this site I went to the players forums and was scared by the people there, I was 100% sure that at least half of them where stalkers lol.

zicofirol
09-18-2006, 08:59 PM
Hope he didnt do that to the cards i send him every year :awww: :sad:
are u serious? do you send him cards every year?

Horatio Caine
09-18-2006, 09:01 PM
Do you have the link for the quote?

The magazine is in hard copy...

Horatio Caine
09-18-2006, 09:04 PM
I'll quote the entire passage for you guys...

What a rotter!

"A publicity stunt for Andy Roddick backfired during the opening week. The American was filmed by host broadcaster USA Network graciously accepting birthday cards from young children. Unfortunately for Roddick, who turned 24 on 30 August, the cameras picked him up screwing up the cards and throwing them into a rubbish bin as he walked away." (- page 50...for the benefit of other ACE Magazine readers).

zesty_dorito
09-18-2006, 09:04 PM
I've always seen Roddick as a crowd-pleaser, when he throws his racket and sticks his tongue out. But that's just his way of getting angry. I can almost imagine this, because I've seen some pretty harsh words towards umpires.

dkw
09-18-2006, 09:24 PM
haha, people here send fan books?? Pathetic

The first time I visited this site I went to the players forums and was scared by the people there, I was 100% sure that at least half of them where stalkers lol.
Yeah, some people think if they send their faves fan mail it'll make them feel good... as if a warm fuzzy Hallmark card can have the same effect as a thin, tall, big chested, blond model. I mean they don't exist just for their brains you know :angel:

RickDaStick
09-18-2006, 09:29 PM
I heard some kid from make a wish foundation wanted to meet Roddick and Andy said he was too busy, anyone else hear this

MurrayFan1
09-18-2006, 09:29 PM
I wish I could find ACE magazine more. :( Is this a new issue with the Roddick thing in?

Deboogle!.
09-18-2006, 09:51 PM
I'll quote the entire passage for you guys...

What a rotter!

"A publicity stunt for Andy Roddick backfired during the opening week. The American was filmed by host broadcaster USA Network graciously accepting birthday cards from young children. Unfortunately for Roddick, who turned 24 on 30 August, the cameras picked him up screwing up the cards and throwing them into a rubbish bin as he walked away." (- page 50...for the benefit of other ACE Magazine readers).This aired on USA and people who saw it said you absolutely cannot see him throwing anything away. Hopefully tangy can make a video of it to demonstrate this for those of us who didn't/couldn't see it.I heard some kid from make a wish foundation wanted to meet Roddick and Andy said he was too busy, anyone else hear thisoh come on Andy has raised millions of dollars for little kids and cried his eyes out when one of them survived cancer and surprised him at one of his charity events. The dude even plays charity exhibitions when he's hurt.

Honestly. :rolleyes:

tangerine_dream
09-18-2006, 10:00 PM
I heard that Andy blows down little pigs' straw houses, is this true?

Deboogle!.
09-18-2006, 10:01 PM
I heard that Andy blows down little pigs' straw houses, is this true?Obviously. duh.

Sjengster
09-18-2006, 10:03 PM
Hate to be the voice of reason... but I'm sure the fan books the wack jobs on this board send players like Federer and Safin end up in the thrash pile as well!

Apart from the one sent by Silvy (fightclubber in the Federer forum) to Federer, who liked it so much that he went out of his way to mention it in a press conference earlier this year - IW, I believe.

PamV
09-18-2006, 10:04 PM
Hate to be the voice of reason... but I'm sure the fan books the wack jobs on this board send players like Federer and Safin end up in the thrash pile as well!

No, Roger's kept all my birthday cards for the last 5 years.

PamV
09-18-2006, 10:05 PM
I heard some kid from make a wish foundation wanted to meet Roddick and Andy said he was too busy, anyone else hear this
He was in the middle of filming the pong commercial and that required a lot of takes.

savesthedizzle
09-18-2006, 10:12 PM
This aired on USA and people who saw it said you absolutely cannot see him throwing anything away. Hopefully tangy can make a video of it to demonstrate this for those of us who didn't/couldn't see it.oh come on Andy has raised millions of dollars for little kids and cried his eyes out when one of them survived cancer and surprised him at one of his charity events. The dude even plays charity exhibitions when he's hurt.

Honestly. :rolleyes:


Some people also said right away that they had seen him throw them away.

I think it's interesting that some people have seen it and some say you can't see anything. Maybe it was just the envelope, but I'd certainly like to see this infamous incident for myself, if there is a video.

morningglory
09-18-2006, 10:20 PM
:lol: nice one...

cobalt60
09-18-2006, 11:01 PM
Yeah, some people think if they send their faves fan mail it'll make them feel good... as if a warm fuzzy Hallmark card can have the same effect as a thin, tall, big chested, blond model. I mean they don't exist just for their brains you know :angel:
:lol: How right you are.

Scotso
09-18-2006, 11:13 PM
I said this during the US Open, because I saw it on TV during USA's coverage... and I was quickly bashed by Carito and FlashDeb and told by the Roddick forum that I made it up. Apparently because I don't like Roddick I'm a liar and make things about him up.

Nice to see that I was proven right, here.

Scotso
09-18-2006, 11:14 PM
Some people also said right away that they had seen him throw them away.

I think it's interesting that some people have seen it and some say you can't see anything. Maybe it was just the envelope, but I'd certainly like to see this infamous incident for myself, if there is a video.

:wavey:

Deb didn't even see it for herself, she just refuses to believe it, thus anyone who says it happened it wrong.

Still, this is proof enough for me and I feel vindicated. I doubt these blinded Roddick fans will ever admit they were wrong, though.

Scotso
09-18-2006, 11:22 PM
Check out the bottom of this thread: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=84222&page=17&pp=40

and from this on: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=4055806&highlight=Roddick#post4055806

to see the reaction of the Roddick fans.

Carito_90
09-18-2006, 11:24 PM
These are the people who are saying Andy and Maria are dating.

Nuff said.

Jimnik
09-18-2006, 11:24 PM
I see MTF is still trying to convert Roddick fans into Ljubicic fans.

revolution
09-18-2006, 11:25 PM
Nuff said.

Picked up the slang pretty quickly haven't you :lol:

revolution
09-18-2006, 11:27 PM
Check out the bottom of this thread: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=84222&page=17&pp=40

and from this on: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=4055806&highlight=Roddick#post4055806

to see the reaction of the Roddick fans.

now now.... :angel:

Carito_90
09-18-2006, 11:27 PM
Picked up the slang pretty quickly haven't you :lol:
You should've realised before, Joey. :lol:

Scotso
09-18-2006, 11:27 PM
These are the people who are saying Andy and Maria are dating.

Nuff said.

More denial from another person who didn't even see it.

morningglory
09-18-2006, 11:29 PM
well I can't comment cuz I didn't see any part of it at all :(

Carito_90
09-18-2006, 11:33 PM
More denial from another person who didn't even see it.

As amusing as it is that you're trying sooo hard to get the arse clown crown, I must admit you're starting to look quite obsessed so I'd tell you to stop it if you want to look, at the very least, decent in front of other people.

Now, facts are facts: Andy eats babies and he's not dating Maria.

Now, these people actually did say Maria and Andy are dating when they're actually NOT (we have proof, Andy's said it blah blah). Why couldn't they be lying about this too? I won't take it as it comes, I wanna see it myself.

Tangy's supposedly trying to make a video of this, so I'll see then.

Scotso
09-18-2006, 11:37 PM
Now, facts are facts: Andy eats babies and he's not dating Maria.

Other facts: I saw him do it. I know I'm not lying because, well, I'm me. It was easy enough for you to call me a liar, but now that it's in a magazine, well, you're having a little trouble.

You're upset that this has come up again, but attacking me and calling me obsessed isn't going to make it go away, so try again.

I find it amazing you're so firmly in the "he didn't do it" camp when you haven't seen one way or the other. Very objective.

Raquel
09-18-2006, 11:44 PM
Check out the bottom of this thread: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=84222&page=17&pp=40

and from this on: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=4055806&highlight=Roddick#post4055806

to see the reaction of the Roddick fans.
Well if this was something talked about during the Open and one or more people saw this as it's described, obviously the magazine hasn't just plucked it from thin air. If he did it it's not very nice for those kids, but he does a lot for charity so he's not totally heartless.

Carito_90
09-18-2006, 11:45 PM
Other facts: I saw him do it. I know I'm not lying because, well, I'm me. It was easy enough for you to call me a liar, but now that it's in a magazine, well, you're having a little trouble.

You're upset that this has come up again, but attacking me and calling me obsessed isn't going to make it go away, so try again.

I find it amazing you're so firmly in the "he didn't do it" camp when you haven't seen one way or the other. Very objective.

And what shall I do if I have 10 other people telling me they're not quite sure he actually threw it? Believe you? Believing what a Roddick Hater says about Roddick is like believing what Bush says period. :lol:

Sorry to break it to you, but I could find you more hilarious right now. And I have other people that do as well. :lol: I feel so sorry for you and the fact that you take this so friggin seriously. lol

How many times do I have to say I won't believe you untill I actually watch the video? If I see it myself that he indeed threw the cards, fine, I'll say 'Yes, he threw the cards', but that's all you know. I'm not saying he DIDN'T throw them, just saying I'm not completely sure he did either because there are people denying it so. :shrug:

Seriously, calm down buddy, this is some stupid fact about a tennis player we'll never meet. Why do you take it as if I had just said your mom's a whore? :lol:

General Suburbia
09-18-2006, 11:46 PM
Why am I not surprised? Because I would probably do the same thing. A bunch of kids that have no connection to me whatsoever sending me cards may feel nice for a moment, but in the end, you don't know who they are and they only think they know who you are. I keep cards that my close friends give me, but throw away the rest.

Raquel
09-18-2006, 11:47 PM
For some reason I'm reminded of all those condolence books being tossed out by the British royal family after Princess Diana's death.
That's a really random connection there Tangy :lol: :confused:

I don't remember that, yet it doesn't surprise me that it happened either.

16681
09-18-2006, 11:47 PM
I'll quote the entire passage for you guys...

What a rotter!

"A publicity stunt for Andy Roddick backfired during the opening week. The American was filmed by host broadcaster USA Network graciously accepting birthday cards from young children. Unfortunately for Roddick, who turned 24 on 30 August, the cameras picked him up screwing up the cards and throwing them into a rubbish bin as he walked away." (- page 50...for the benefit of other ACE Magazine readers).
Jez I know you like to have fun here at MTF. Are you serious about this :eek:

RickDaStick
09-18-2006, 11:48 PM
first andy saying no to a make a wish foundation kid now this, im dissapointed in the duck

Peoples
09-18-2006, 11:49 PM
So what if it's on video tape... Andy would never do something like this, period, so there's nothing more to discuss.

mangoes
09-18-2006, 11:50 PM
I don't think the magazine is plucking this out of thin air. It's backing up what people claim to have seen. Nevertheless, Andy's a nice guy and no one is perfect. His mind was probably somewhere else and just forgot about the cameras and press around him. I don't think this makes him a bad person:shrug: He was going to have to throw it away eventually. He just forgot to use the locker room's trash :lol: :lol: :lol: I just don't see how this makes him a bad person:shrug:

Jlee
09-18-2006, 11:50 PM
I see MTF is still trying to convert Roddick fans into Ljubicic fans.

:spit: Good luck with that.

Scotso
09-18-2006, 11:53 PM
Sorry to break it to you, but I could find you more hilarious right now. And I have other people that do as well. :lol: I feel so sorry for you and the fact that you take this so friggin seriously. lol

You and I both know you're upset and trying to shift the focus from the incident to me. If that's what gets you off, fine.

I'm not taking it so seriously. If I did, I would have posted a thread about it when I say it. But after being viciously attacked by some Roddick fans for making this up, yes, I admit I feel pretty good now that I've been somewhat vindicated.

Laugh all you want, but it's pretty obvious how upset you are and how seriously you're taking this from your posts in here and to me after I made the statement initially.

Jlee
09-18-2006, 11:55 PM
I watched that video clip but maybe not closely enough, I never saw that happen. Even if he did do it, does that one incident make him a terrible person? I'm not condoning it, I'm just pointing out that you're trying to discredit everything else he's done for charity and children, all of which overshadows this one incident.

Yes he could have had a little sense and not thrown it out while on camera, but he was still really sweet to the little kids.

Carito_90
09-18-2006, 11:58 PM
You and I both know you're upset and trying to shift the focus from the incident to me. If that's what gets you off, fine.

I'm not taking it so seriously. If I did, I would have posted a thread about it when I say it. But after being viciously attacked by some Roddick fans for making this up, yes, I admit I feel pretty good now that I've been somewhat vindicated.

Laugh all you want, but it's pretty obvious how upset you are and how seriously you're taking this from your posts in here and to me after I made the statement initially.

You really have no idea how pathetic you're sounding right now, thinking you know how I feel, right? :lol:

surfpinky
09-19-2006, 12:05 AM
um wow, I saw that he stuffed it into his pocket?

surfpinky
09-19-2006, 12:06 AM
I watched that video clip but maybe not closely enough, I never saw that happen. Even if he did do it, does that one incident make him a terrible person? I'm not condoning it, I'm just pointing out that you're trying to discredit everything else he's done for charity and children, all of which overshadows this one incident.

Yes he could have had a little sense and not thrown it out while on camera, but he was still really sweet to the little kids.
:yeah:
yeah, even if he did throw it away, so what? d:

Deboogle!.
09-19-2006, 12:07 AM
um wow, I saw that he stuffed it into his pocket?how do those burning pants feel?

ibcnum
09-19-2006, 12:11 AM
i heard he threw the kid in the can and then lit it on fire. i'll post the vid once i find it.

Carito_90
09-19-2006, 12:13 AM
i heard he threw the kid in the can and then lit it on fire. i'll post the vid once i find it.
Oh my God. :haha:

surfpinky
09-19-2006, 12:16 AM
how do those burning pants feel?
pffffffffff, water, hello! d:

williaer
09-19-2006, 12:17 AM
first andy saying no to a make a wish foundation kid now this, im dissapointed in the duck
Did he really? I've never once heard about it until this thread and I'm sorry but I find that really really hard to believe... He does SO MUCH for charity (hell, he even started his own foundation) and clearly loves kids so I highly doubt he did this, and if he did, he'd have had a very good reason why.
I'm not saying you're lying but I would just like to see some proof of this before we judge Andy too much.

Whistleway
09-19-2006, 12:18 AM
ACE magazine is what? Never heard of it.

If it is true, that really is heartless. For the sake of these little kids :(

Deboogle!.
09-19-2006, 12:21 AM
pffffffffff, water, hello! d:You're gonna have to like sit in the bathtub with those burning pants to put that big of a fire out.

surfpinky
09-19-2006, 12:24 AM
anyways, people see what they want to see, just because you saw it doesn't mean you saw what actually happened - people's motivational states influence their perception, in other words, people see what they want to see. Some may have seen andy throwing it away, some may have not, either way, just because you saw it for a quick second on tv doesn't make you right. I saw it, and I thought he had just stuffed it in his pocket. And even if he did throw it away in the garbage.. so what? What he has done for charity is so far greater. I bet if this was some other player (like roger - I like him too by the way [: ) you guys wouldn't make such a big deal about it. :rolleyes:

Carito_90
09-19-2006, 12:25 AM
Nat = the voice of reason.

mangoes
09-19-2006, 12:27 AM
I bet if this was some other player (like roger - I like him too by the way [: ) you guys wouldn't make such a big deal about it. :rolleyes:

Sorry to disappoint you, but, it would have been just as big a deal.....all of a sudden, many would finally have the "proof" that Roger is a bad guy...............Andy, Roger, Ljubicic, Rafa, James would evoke this level of reaction........

surfpinky
09-19-2006, 12:29 AM
Sorry to disappoint you, but, it would have been just as big a deal.....all of a sudden, many would finally have the "proof" that Roger is a bad guy...............Andy, Roger, Ljubicic, Rafa, James would evoke this level of reaction........
well yeah, but you wouldn't be attacking his fans now would you? And I'm not disappointed.
[:

Tennis Fool
09-19-2006, 12:29 AM
I said this during the US Open, because I saw it on TV during USA's coverage... and I was quickly bashed by Carito and FlashDeb and told by the Roddick forum that I made it up. Apparently because I don't like Roddick I'm a liar and make things about him up.

Nice to see that I was proven right, here.
I'll give the Duck the benefit of doubt here...

What did you see exactly? Was it an envelope or a stack of cards? Did the camera actually show him throwing something in the trash or was it a pan of something in the trash can? (Sorry if this has been answered, I haven't gotten through the whole thread.)

BTW, I like how Deb states she'll wait for Tangy, of all people, to prove the claim :lol:

scoobs
09-19-2006, 12:29 AM
Can I just say that I don't give a supersonic flying shit whether he threw the cards away or he slid them into his pocket.

Deboogle!.
09-19-2006, 12:31 AM
Sorry to disappoint you, but, it would have been just as big a deal.....all of a sudden, many would finally have the "proof" that Roger is a bad guy...............Andy, Roger, Ljubicic, Rafa, James would evoke this level of reaction........I think the point Nat tried to make is that a lot of people already believe Andy is a bad guy and that he would do something like this. I think if it would be a player that was more well-liked on MTF that more people would be quick to jump on the "but he's done so many good things this doesn't matter" aspect. And the point also is that everyone who saw it said that it was hard to tell what he did. So nat is exactly right that those who choose to believe he's a good guy are gonna say, "well that doesn't prove anything" and those who believe he's not a good guy are gonna convince themselves that he threw them away.

Personally for me, the fact that he was really nice to the kids is what I find important. But besides that, I just want the truth to be known, whatever it may be. So hopefully we can get a video of this to decide for ourselves.BTW, I like how Deb states she'll wait for Tangy, of all people, to prove the claim :lol:I'm going to wait for tangy because she is the one who has the capability to provide a video. I'm not trusting her opinion on the matter (though I do trust Jace, who watched and rewatched and said he could not tell at all what Andy did with the cards), but I would trust the video she provides, wouldn't you?

mangoes
09-19-2006, 12:34 AM
well yeah, but you wouldn't be attacking his fans now would you? And I'm not disappointed.
[:


I have one word for you, "Fedtards"............anyone who defends Roger is automatically labeled one........so, Roger's fans do get quite a bit of heat ;) :p This will blow over..........

scoobs
09-19-2006, 12:35 AM
If you want my honest opinion (and the beauty of these forums is that you get it whether you wanted it or not), I think Andy isn't so stupid as to throw away cards given to him by fans while on camera. From what it sounds like the video isn't clear-cut as to what he did. I'd have thought he'd throw them away in private if he were going to. It just sounds really boorish and thoughtless. Not saying he's not capable of that but I find it hard to believe he'd be as foolish as to do it on camera.

Deboogle!.
09-19-2006, 12:37 AM
If you want my honest opinion (and the beauty of these forums is that you get it whether you wanted it or not), I think Andy isn't so stupid as to throw away cards given to him by fans while on camera. From what it sounds like the video isn't clear-cut as to what he did. I'd have thought he'd throw them away in private if he were going to. It just sounds really boorish and thoughtless. Not saying he's not capable of that but I find it hard to believe he'd be as foolish as to do it on camera.Honestly? His mom seems like the type who would absolutely smack him upside the head if he did something like that. Not that this means he didn't do it, I just don't think it was the way he was raised, and I think he did it and his mom found out, she'd kill him.

PamV
09-19-2006, 12:38 AM
I don't think the magazine is plucking this out of thin air. It's backing up what people claim to have seen. Nevertheless, Andy's a nice guy and no one is perfect. His mind was probably somewhere else and just forgot about the cameras and press around him. I don't think this makes him a bad person:shrug: He was going to have to throw it away eventually. He just forgot to use the locker room's trash :lol: :lol: :lol: I just don't see how this makes him a bad person:shrug:
Yeah, it's making a mountain out of a mole hill. It means nothing.

Tennis Fool
09-19-2006, 12:45 AM
If he did it it's not very nice for those kids, but he does a lot for charity so he's not totally heartless.
How does charity and good nature go together?

Stars have charities to hobnob with each other, avoid taxes and to show they have "pity".

scoobs
09-19-2006, 12:45 AM
In the grand scheme of things, this is entirely irrelevant anyway.

Let's make the assumption he DID throw those cards in the trash and got caught on camera doing so.

Again - please note - all that follows assumes he DID throw them away - he may not have done.

Well what's the crime here?

Are we seriously supposed to believe that these players all keep every single item, piece of fanmail, that they ever receive? I'm sure some do but equally I'm sure others don't. If we make the assumption that players sooner or later will throw this stuff away then does it matter when he did it? So doing it accidently on camera is a bad idea from the point of view of adverse comment, but the actual act of throwing it away - well is it any worse if they do it in private in their locker room or hotel room?

Or are they bad people if they don't hang onto every piece of junk they're ever given?

To me what's important is that he went out and spent time with the kids, gave them a good memory and, to my mind, did his job as a professional tennis player to promote the sport and engage with the fans. He then loses points for being silly enough to get caught on camera throwing away his gifts from the fans but to me, not necessarily for throwing them away, just for getting caught and attracting negative comment.

Deboogle!.
09-19-2006, 12:50 AM
How does charity and good nature go together? They don't necessarily, but I'm telling you that there is no way that Andy's charity work doesn't really mean a lot to him personally. When he's asked what the best advice Andre gave him is, he says that it was to start his foundation young. Andy was 17/18 when he started his foundation. He wasn't even famous yet. He cries when he visits people that his foundation has helped, his endorsement deals include work for his charity. I can go on and on and on. Andy loves kids and he really cares about his charity work. Not even most of the people who claim to 'hate' him deny that. I think he's shown that he's involved with it and passionate enough about it such that it does show he at least has a good heart where it comes to helping other people.

Tennis Fool
09-19-2006, 12:51 AM
In the grand scheme of things, this is entirely irrelevant anyway.

Let's make the assumption he DID throw those cards in the trash and got caught on camera doing so.

Again - please note - all that follows assumes he DID throw them away - he may not have done.

Well what's the crime here?

Are we seriously supposed to believe that these players all keep every single item, piece of fanmail, that they ever receive? I'm sure some do but equally I'm sure others don't. If we make the assumption that players sooner or later will throw this stuff away then does it matter when he did it? So doing it accidently on camera is a bad idea from the point of view of adverse comment, but the actual act of throwing it away - well is it any worse if they do it in private in their locker room or hotel room?

Or are they bad people if they don't hang onto every piece of junk they're ever given?

To me what's important is that he went out and spent time with the kids, gave them a good memory and, to my mind, did his job as a professional tennis player to promote the sport and engage with the fans. He then loses points for being silly enough to get caught on camera throwing away his gifts from the fans but to me, not necessarily for throwing them away, just for getting caught and attracting negative comment.

I hope you don't become a defense lawyer.

scoobs
09-19-2006, 12:54 AM
I hope you don't become a defense lawyer.
I hope you don't become a tube of toothpaste.

mangoes
09-19-2006, 12:55 AM
If you want my honest opinion (and the beauty of these forums is that you get it whether you wanted it or not), I think Andy isn't so stupid as to throw away cards given to him by fans while on camera. From what it sounds like the video isn't clear-cut as to what he did. I'd have thought he'd throw them away in private if he were going to. It just sounds really boorish and thoughtless. Not saying he's not capable of that but I find it hard to believe he'd be as foolish as to do it on camera.


If he threw it away, I can only see him doing so because his thoughts were elsewhere. Andy doing so because he is boorish is a real stretch of the imagination. Everyone makes mistakes. Andy and the other players cannot be on their "best" behavior 24/7. Sometimes, I feel that we place expectations on these guy that we would have a fit over if placed on us.

Tennis Fool
09-19-2006, 12:56 AM
I hope you don't become a tube of toothpaste.
:scratch: :lol:

scoobs
09-19-2006, 12:59 AM
:scratch: :lol:
you'll be asking me to make sense next.

Rogiman
09-19-2006, 01:00 AM
Those who are delusional enough to send birthday cards to tennis players deserve that kind of reaction.

Good morning :wavey: tennis players are not better than anyone else, it's more likely it's the other way around.

bubeliever
09-19-2006, 01:03 AM
Give me a freaken break. what do you do with your birthday cards? I get 15 to 20 birthday cards on my birthday. After my birthday I toss them away with the exception of the cards from my immediate family. Where would you keep all of the card that you recieve thru the years.? It is the thought that counts and no expects you to covet their cards. Get a life.!!!!

mangoes
09-19-2006, 01:07 AM
I think the point Nat tried to make is that a lot of people already believe Andy is a bad guy and that he would do something like this. I think if it would be a player that was more well-liked on MTF that more people would be quick to jump on the "but he's done so many good things this doesn't matter" aspect. And the point also is that everyone who saw it said that it was hard to tell what he did. So nat is exactly right that those who choose to believe he's a good guy are gonna say, "well that doesn't prove anything" and those who believe he's not a good guy are gonna convince themselves that he threw them away.


I think the only person that would have everyone defending him is James:lol: :lol: :lol: If this had happened with Roger, we'd have the choir, directed by CMurray, singing, "See, Roger is Arrogant".......... Andy has his own choir, and they're singing away.......... Even if we have visual proof of Andy throwing away the cards, this doesn't make him a bad person. Everyone makes mistakes that can be deemed insincere. Andy went out there and spent time with kids.......that's what should matter. After that, I'm sure his mind was elsewhere, and he threw the cards away within view of people looking for something negative to write about him.

Jogy
09-19-2006, 01:21 AM
If a player is among most hated player of forum, he could not doing something right with what the forum agrees. He can only do something wrong for 80% of times. And when he does something good, it is not talked about or "people say he would have lost anyway" when he gives a point to his opponent or so.

When it would Federer or a lovely Argentine or a hyped Serb/Slovak, they could hardly do something wrong and even when they test positive for doping, they are innocent and people believe the excuses "I drank from the same glass of where from my wife took her medicine" theory for the thousands time. And when somebody like Agassi is giving dozen of millions for good project to help people and children, some forum posters like Pea or Rosie last time still point to any 5 seconds of his career with hundreds of photographers and cameras following him every step where he did something bad or did not sign a fan autograph or did not talk to a fan on his way.

Veronique
09-19-2006, 01:23 AM
Bad, bad Andy! He once said he'd eat my children :rolleyes:

MisterQ
09-19-2006, 01:40 AM
Note to self: Don't send Andy your life savings.

cmurray
09-19-2006, 01:40 AM
I think the only person that would have everyone defending him is James:lol: :lol: :lol: If this had happened with Roger, we'd have the choir, directed by CMurray, singing, "See, Roger is Arrogant".......... Andy has his own choir, and they're singing away.......... Even if we have visual proof of Andy throwing away the cards, this doesn't make him a bad person. Everyone makes mistakes that can be deemed insincere. Andy went out there and spent time with kids.......that's what should matter. After that, I'm sure his mind was elsewhere, and he threw the cards away within view of people looking for something negative to write about him.

Hey. Don't bring me into it, Mangoes. I say in one thread that i think Roger is arrogant and now I'm the choir director? Newsflash. I'm not the only person in the world who thinks that. Get over it already.

I was watching USA and I very clearly saw him toss those cards away. It's shitty that he didn't have the courtesy to wait until he was alone before getting rid of them. I would say the same about Rafa, Marat, Roger or James.

In the end though, it wasn't terribly important to me - frankly, I didn't even remember it happened until this thread. As long as those two kids didn't see him do it, no real harm was done.

Johnny Groove
09-19-2006, 01:48 AM
Wow! Another non-issue! Who gives a shit? It seems like the more roddick wins, the more bashing will occur. Welcome back to the club Andyfans :wavey:

El Legenda
09-19-2006, 01:53 AM
roddick sucks

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:05 AM
What did you see exactly? Was it an envelope or a stack of cards? Did the camera actually show him throwing something in the trash or was it a pan of something in the trash can?

I saw what the magazine saw. He crumpled up the cards the kids had given him (they were hand-made on folded paper... no envelopes) and he tossed them.

I never claimed this made Andy evil, the only thing I said on the subject was that I was surprised he did it on camera... because I don't expect him to keep things like that.

The only thing I'm saying in this thread is that I feel vindicated because while I was telling the truth, people constantly attacked me as a liar. Those people are continuing to do it.

Personally, I don't care what Andy does about anything at any time. Why should I? But I do care when people call me a liar and attack me for something they have absolutely no clue about. And instead of behaving like adults and admitting they were wrong, they continue to attack me.

That's fine, but I know what I saw. :shrug: I don't need a bunch of morons to believe me for it to be true. But I'm glad the magazine mentioned it, because it vindicates me. :)

tangerine_dream
09-19-2006, 02:07 AM
Well, sorry for the craptastic video but my VCR's on the fritz:

http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=2ibf4mc

It's pretty inconclusive really, not even Scott can say that Andy definitely threw the cards away and if he does, well, we all know he's an Andy HATA anyway. ;)

Just a thought: if Andy really did toss the cards don't you think the commentators (Tracy Austin and somebody else) who were watching would've said something about it? Definitely Tracy would've likely gasped. She's not good about hiding her feelings.

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:07 AM
those who believe he's not a good guy are gonna convince themselves that he threw them away.

Deb, I thought you were going to wait to see the video before saying what happened? It's clear you've made up your mind about the incident without even seeing it.

I hope you do get a chance to see the video. I just hope it doesn't cause your head to implode. I wonder what you'll say after.

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:13 AM
Well, sorry for the craptastic video but my VCR's on the fritz:

http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=2ibf4mc

It's pretty inconclusive really, not even Scott can say that Andy definitely threw the cards away and if he does, well, we all know he's an Andy HATA anyway. ;)

Looks pretty conclusive to me.

Allure
09-19-2006, 02:13 AM
That's 1.99 I'll never have back. :sad:

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 02:17 AM
It kinda clear that he crumpled them up and then dipped the hand that they were in into SOMETHING... whether it was a trash bin or not is not conclusive, or maybe he was sticking it into a pocket or something. It is kinda hard to see.

Either way it doesn't make him a bad person, it just makes him normal. :shrug:

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:18 AM
maybe he was sticking it into a pocket or something.

Who has to look *and* bend down to put something in their pocket?

partygirl
09-19-2006, 02:19 AM
he looks like he was still fiddling with something (possibly pocket)when he was way past the trash can so....

even if he did toss them he looked at them with the kids, i throw birthday cards away too i don't believe they are to be saved and wall mounted

-if he threw them away 2 seconds after putting on that act- I'd actually find it funny more than anything...those kids will have a nice memory if everyone stops questioning.

Johnny Groove
09-19-2006, 02:20 AM
Who has to look *and* bend down to put something in their pocket?

he was carrying a bunch of his shit :shrug:

partygirl
09-19-2006, 02:21 AM
Who has to look *and* bend down to put something in their pocket?
a big tall dummy. :D

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 02:22 AM
Who has to look *and* bend down to put something in their pocket?


Well if there was like a random cargo pocket down there I would probably have to look to see where it was. :shrug:

The video is very inconclusive as to whether he definitely did or definitely didn't. I lean towards him having done it just because of his body movement looking like he was tossing something, but it totally doesn't matter if he did or didn't. I mean, what was he supposed to do with them. I usually toss away birthday cards almost immediately after I take the cash out of them. :lol:

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:23 AM
He was wearing shorts, which you can see in the video, there were no pockets down there.

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:24 AM
he was carrying a bunch of his shit :shrug:

Tennis racquets in the other hand?

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 02:25 AM
He was wearing shorts, which you can see in the video, there were no pockets down there.


Oh oops, I missed that because I was just waiting for the card part.

Well in that case, yeah it's likely he threw them out. Oh well. No biggie.

Whistleway
09-19-2006, 02:25 AM
Wow. That video is drastic. After the way he put on a face and talked with them, he jus throws it out right away is just really miserable. I hope he is happy...

Whistleway
09-19-2006, 02:27 AM
That poor kid :( I really am sad.

bluefork
09-19-2006, 02:31 AM
It's not totally clear that he threw them away (although it looks that way). He definitely crumpled them up though. It's fine that he didn't keep them, but it just seems a little rude to mess up the cards right in front of the kids.

Fee
09-19-2006, 02:32 AM
So, where is this phantom trash can? Andy pauses for a split second, moving around out of the frame of the shot and that means that he THREW CARDS INTO A TRASH CAN THAT ISN'T EVEN THERE?

Wow, why can't put his magical powers to good use?

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 02:33 AM
It's not totally clear that he threw them away (although it looks that way). He definitely crumpled them up though. It's fine that he didn't keep them, but it just seems a little rude to mess up the cards right in front of the kids.


It wasn't right infront of them, he seemed to have turned a corner. I really doubt the kids could see him when he crumpled them.

As for the missing trash can. What do you usually do with things when you crumple them? :scratch:

cmurray
09-19-2006, 02:34 AM
It wasn't right infront of them, he seemed to have turned a corner. I really doubt the kids could see him when he crumpled them.

As for the missing trash can. What do you usually do with things when you crumple them? :scratch:

Juggle with them?

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 02:35 AM
Juggle with them?


Possible :)

bluefork
09-19-2006, 02:35 AM
So, where is this phantom trash can? Andy pauses for a split second, moving around out of the frame of the shot and that means that he THREW CARDS INTO A TRASH CAN THAT ISN'T EVEN THERE?

Wow, why can't put his magical powers to good use?

There could definitely be a trash can there. The shot never shows it, but there's no reason to believe that one couldn't be there.

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:38 AM
THREW CARDS INTO A TRASH CAN THAT ISN'T EVEN THERE?

You know where all the trashcans in the world are?

mangoes
09-19-2006, 02:40 AM
The important thing is that Andy had a great interaction with the kids. He talked with them and gave them a couple minutes of his time. Then he turned the corner and MOST LIKELY threw the papers away...........big deal:shrug: He didn't have pockets and was probably heading to practice. What was he to do with the papers??

Fee
09-19-2006, 02:41 AM
You know where all the trashcans in the world are?

Do you?

You swore up down and sideways that the video CLEARLY shows Andy throwing those cards in the trash. There is no trash. You also said that Andy is wearing shorts with no pockets, and there is no way you can tell from that video that he has no pockets (and what pair of tennis shorts doesn't have pockets? you need pockets to hold the TENNIS BALLS).

This went from possible to ridiculous pretty quickly.

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 02:42 AM
The important thing is that Andy had a great interaction with the kids. He talked with them and gave them a couple minutes of his time. Then he turned the corner and MOST LIKELY threw the papers away...........big deal:shrug: He didn't have pockets and was probably heading to practice. What was he to do with the papers??


Exactly. :shrug: I don't think it's a big deal at all that he threw them out. I think it's likely he did. I wouldn't expect him to like.. stick them in a scrapbook or something.

Fee
09-19-2006, 02:43 AM
There could definitely be a trash can there. The shot never shows it, but there's no reason to believe that one couldn't be there.

There could be a curb there, or sidewalk trim, or any number of things out of the shot that Andy had to stumble/manuever around. There was a camera right in front of him the whole time. He is not that stupid.

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:43 AM
Do you?

You swore up down and sideways that the video CLEARLY shows Andy throwing those cards in the trash. There is no trash. You also said that Andy is wearing shorts with no pockets, and there is no way you can tell from that video that he has no pockets (and what pair of tennis shorts doesn't have pockets? you need pockets to hold the TENNIS BALLS).

This went from possible to ridiculous pretty quickly.

I said you couldn't see the trashcan, but it was clear he threw them away. I also said there were "no pockets down there," not that there were no pockets.

Both you and I know that players don't need to bend over to put tennis balls in their shorts pockets.

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:45 AM
There is no trash.

So you can see from the video that there is no trashcan?

Deboogle!.
09-19-2006, 02:46 AM
Wow, obviously my eyes are different than some people's here.

Because there is absolutely NO WAY to tell what he did with the cards, so anyone saying something one way or the other is just guessing.

And i am very glad that I trusted Jace on this the whole time, because he is the one who was actually telling the truth.

bluefork
09-19-2006, 02:48 AM
Exactly. :shrug: I don't think it's a big deal at all that he threw them out. I think it's likely he did. I wouldn't expect him to like.. stick them in a scrapbook or something.

Nobody expects him to keep them, but he could have waited until he was somewhere less public to trash them. I mean, yeah, it was a nice gesture to talk to the kids, but he kind of cheapened it by letting people see him crumple/throw away the cards just a few seconds later.

partygirl
09-19-2006, 02:48 AM
Andy is hot.
:rolls::rolls:

robinhood
09-19-2006, 02:49 AM
The kids are so adorable.
If Roddick did throw the cards away, that was awful of him.
But clearly no one, unless you were there on the court and saw it live, can be sure of what he did just watching it on tv.

I give the benefit of the doubt to Roddick, because he would have to be the most cold-hearted idiot to do such a thing right in front of the camera AND the kids.

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:50 AM
Wow, obviously my eyes are different than some people's here.

Because there is absolutely NO WAY to tell what he did with the cards, so anyone saying something one way or the other is just guessing.

And i am very glad that I trusted Jace on this the whole time, because he is the one who was actually telling the truth.

Okay wait. Jace said he didn't throw the cards away? You said that there is no way to tell.

So, which one is the truth?

Fee
09-19-2006, 02:50 AM
Both you and I know that players don't need to bend over to put tennis balls in their shorts pockets.

No you don't and Andy didn't bend over, he leaned and that is a huge difference.

Look at what Andy is wearing, a pair of shorts, a tshirt and a jacket. The tshirt is hanging below the jacket. If he tried to put something in his shorts pockets (while his hands were full of rackets and other stuff) and he couldn't get his hand into the pocket he would lean sideways in order to fumble through the fabric and get those two pieces of paper in there (they were drawings not cards). I've seen guys do similar things a hundred times, I've done it myself a few times when I've played in shorts. You can't always reach straight into the pocket when you need to.

Doesn't matter, I'm sure Andy sent his people back to get those kids and ate them for dinner that night anyway. It's what he does when he likes your artwork.

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 02:51 AM
Wow, obviously my eyes are different than some people's here.

Because there is absolutely NO WAY to tell what he did with the cards, so anyone saying something one way or the other is just guessing.
And i am very glad that I trusted Jace on this the whole time, because he is the one who was actually telling the truth.


So we can't really be 100% sure he DIDN'T throw them out either... so how can someone be telling the truth and others be lying if we really can't tell.

It's not worth debating really since there's no proof either way :shrug: It seems it's a situation to agree to disagree on.

MisterQ
09-19-2006, 02:52 AM
There could definitely be a trash can there. The shot never shows it, but there's no reason to believe that one couldn't be there.

It was on the trashy knoll.

Winston's Human
09-19-2006, 02:54 AM
Having reviewed the videotape, I do not know how anyone can conclude that Andy threw away the cards.

First, the videotape does not show Andy actually putting the cards in the trash can. Thus, no direct evidence Andy threw away the cards

Second, the videotape does not show Andy's hand after he supposedly put the cards in the trash can. Thus, no circumstantial evidence that Andy threw away the cards.

Deboogle!.
09-19-2006, 02:55 AM
Okay wait. Jace said he didn't throw the cards away? You said that there is no way to tell.

So, which one is the truth?Jace said that he could not see what happened, I said I believed Jace over you. based on the video that I just watched, I agree with Jace. You are CONVINCED that he threw the cards away, yet it is impossible to tell.

Let me just say this. If throwing away stuff was a crime and Andy was charged, that video wouldn't hold up in a court of law. And that is how my mind works. So, there is no way to tell. If you are convinced he threw it away, that is your own mind extrapolating what the camera doesn't show and I think it's really sad that you can't admit that.

Either way, Andy made those kids' day, and if he threw them out or not, he still made those kids' day.

tennis lover
09-19-2006, 02:55 AM
I watched the video and you can't really see what happened. :shrug: but it really doesn't matter, I know for sure that whether Andy did or did not throw the cards away at that particular moment in time is not going to affect my life and I doubt it will affect any of yours either. :)

Winston's Human
09-19-2006, 02:56 AM
Let me just say this. If throwing away stuff was a crime and Andy was charged, that video wouldn't hold up in a court of law.

Exactly. The charges would be dismissed for lack of evidence.

Scotso
09-19-2006, 02:57 AM
Jace said that he could not see what happened, I said I believed Jace over you. based on the video that I just watched, I agree with Jace. You are CONVINCED that he threw the cards away, yet it is impossible to tell.

Let me just say this. If throwing away stuff was a crime and Andy was charged, that video wouldn't hold up in a court of law. And that is how my mind works. So, there is no way to tell. If you are convinced he threw it away, that is your own mind extrapolating what the camera doesn't show and I think it's really sad that you can't admit that.

Either way, Andy made those kids' day, and if he threw them out or not, he still made those kids' day.

So like Jess said, if you can't tell either way, why are you calling me a liar for saying he threw them away? It's pretty clear to me. If you can't tell one way or another, how can you be so sure I'm a liar?

bluefork
09-19-2006, 02:57 AM
It was on the trashy knoll.

Are you suggesting that Andy Roddick shot JFK?

Deboogle!.
09-19-2006, 02:59 AM
So like Jess said, if you can't tell either way, why are you calling me a liar for saying he threw them away? It's pretty clear to me. If you can't tell one way or another, how can you be so sure I'm a liar?Point me to where I called you a liar. I said I chose to believe Jace over you and that I believe you could have made yourself believe it. In fact, I think you really believe Andy did it, in which case you're not lying, you just hate Andy so much you'll convince yourself of something that has no actual evidence.

MisterQ
09-19-2006, 03:01 AM
Are you suggesting that Andy Roddick shot JFK?

Oliver Stone has already begun the documentary. ;)

bluefork
09-19-2006, 03:01 AM
Point me to where I called you a liar. I said I chose to believe Jace over you and that I believe you could have made yourself believe it. In fact, I think you really believe Andy did it, in which case you're not lying, you just hate Andy so much you'll convince yourself of something that has no actual evidence.

On the other hand, some of Roddick's fans seem to be convincing themselves that he didn't do it without any actual evidence. The bottom line is that everybody seems to see what they want to see.

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 03:02 AM
On the other hand, some of Roddick's fans seem to be convincing themselves that he didn't do it without any actual evidence. The bottom line is that everybody seems to see what they want to see.


Exactly. I can see it either way, I lean towards that he probably threw them out just because I don't know why you would crumple them to keep them, but people are going to believe what they want to believe and if there is no proof to prove EITHER side, there's not really any reason to keep attacking eachother's credibility. :shrug:

Socket
09-19-2006, 03:07 AM
You know, if Andy would just walk around with 20 bodyguards like Lleyton supposedly does, none of this would happen. :angel:

Deboogle!.
09-19-2006, 03:07 AM
On the other hand, some of Roddick's fans seem to be convincing themselves that he didn't do it without any actual evidence. The bottom line is that everybody seems to see what they want to see.I think I pretty clearly stated that anyone who is saying it one way OR the other is guessing. Yes, I did :)

Anyway, I am very much done with this thread lol

bluefork
09-19-2006, 03:12 AM
I think I pretty clearly stated that anyone who is saying it one way OR the other is guessing. Yes, I did :)

Actually, no, you didn't state it that clearly. You said:

you just hate Andy so much you'll convince yourself of something that has no actual evidence

I just thought it should be made explicitly clear that this goes both ways.

Winston's Human
09-19-2006, 03:14 AM
On the other hand, some of Roddick's fans seem to be convincing themselves that he didn't do it without any actual evidence. The bottom line is that everybody seems to see what they want to see.

IMO, the point being made by the Roddick fans is that the charged conduct is out of character for Roddick. Therefore, we want to see actual evidence supporting the charged conduct before we believe it to be true.

robinhood
09-19-2006, 03:15 AM
Actually, no, you didn't state it that clearly. You said:



I just thought it should be made explicitly clear that this goes both ways.

She did say that in another post.

"Wow, obviously my eyes are different than some people's here.

Because there is absolutely NO WAY to tell what he did with the cards, so anyone saying something one way or the other is just guessing.

And i am very glad that I trusted Jace on this the whole time, because he is the one who was actually telling the truth."

cmurray
09-19-2006, 03:15 AM
You know, I actually like Andy. When I saw it live, I thought "wow. He just threw those cards in the trash can" and then I didn't think of it again. For me, at least, it had nothing to do with what I "wanted" to see. It's possible he didn't throw them away, I suppose, but it sure looked like he did. I dunno, I don't really think it's that big a deal. It's not like he said, "these cards really suck, you little bastards." Now THAT would be a story.

Fee
09-19-2006, 03:17 AM
Exactly. I can see it either way, I lean towards that he probably threw them out just because I don't know why you would crumple them to keep them,...

You would crumple up a large sheet of paper to put it into a small pocket (if you're a guy, a woman would fold it). Again, regardless of what we cannot or cannot see outside of the frame of that shot, the reality is that there was a camera two feet away from Andy. He is a lot of things, especially on court, but he is not that stupid.

As for this thread, I am going to make like a tree and get out of here (name the movie reference, five points).

Jimnik
09-19-2006, 03:17 AM
This thread is ridiculous. I'm glad I saw this tape. You never see a trashcan, all you see is Andy pausing and bending down for a few seconds.

If Andy threw them in a trashcan, why did he need to pause and bend down? To put something in a trashcan doesn't require any effort at all. You just dump them, without crumpling them up.

For Andy to put them in a pocket or bag, he would need to crumple them up so he could squeeze them in. You can't stand up straight and keep walking, to do this.

cmurray
09-19-2006, 03:18 AM
You would crumple up a large sheet of paper to put it into a small pocket (if you're a guy, a woman would fold it). Again, regardless of what we cannot or cannot see outside of the frame of that shot, the reality is that there was a camera two feet away from Andy. He is a lot of things, especially on court, but he is not that stupid.

As for this thread, I am going to make like a tree and get out of here (name the movie reference, five points).

Back to the Future?

Fee
09-19-2006, 03:20 AM
Back to the Future?

Word, five points.

Ciao! :wavey:

Jimnik
09-19-2006, 03:20 AM
You would crumple up a large sheet of paper to put it into a small pocket (if you're a guy, a woman would fold it). Again, regardless of what we cannot or cannot see outside of the frame of that shot, the reality is that there was a camera two feet away from Andy. He is a lot of things, especially on court, but he is not that stupid.

As for this thread, I am going to make like a tree and get out of here (name the movie reference, five points).
Exactly

MisterQ
09-19-2006, 03:21 AM
As for this thread, I am going to make like a tree and get out of here (name the movie reference, five points).

The Texas Arbor Day Massacre?

rofe
09-19-2006, 03:21 AM
There are ten pages in this thread for evidence that is at best suspect. Wow.

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 03:21 AM
I think this must be my problem. Once again I do not understand men :p As I woman I see crumpled paper and I think trash. :lol: I was unaware it was the male form of folding. :lol:

tangerine_dream
09-19-2006, 03:22 AM
Another possibility is that Andy had stopped to stuff the cards into his bag on his way in to the practice court (noticed that he was carrying two rackets and nothing else; his bag was probably sitting on the sideline of practice court).

As for this thread, I am going to make like a tree and get out of here (name the movie reference, five points).
Hello? McFly? "Back to the Future"! do I get a good rep? or a cookie? :p

cmurray
09-19-2006, 03:24 AM
Another possibility is that Andy had stopped to stuff the cards into his bag on his way in to the practice court.


Hello? McFly? "Back to the Future"! do I get a good rep? or a cookie? :p


You Irish bug. Think McFly. Think.

Carito_90
09-19-2006, 03:27 AM
This thread is ridiculous. I'm glad I saw this tape. You never see a trashcan, all you see is Andy pausing and bending down for a few seconds.

If Andy threw them in a trashcan, why did he need to pause and bend down? To put something in a trashcan doesn't require any effort at all. You just dump them, without crumpling them up.

For Andy to put them in a pocket or bag, he would need to crumple them up so he could squeeze them in. You can't stand up straight and keep walking, to do this.

Oh, it's nice to know someone said what I was thinking. I told this to Deb in the chat.

But even if it were the case, you cannot tell what really happens simply because you CANNOT see the trash and Andy's hand with the papers in it throwing it there. Or him putting it into his pocket for that matter. You cannot see what he does with them. And I agree with Fee, Andy's not that stupid, he knew he had tons of fans in front of him and a CAMARA. Please. Give me a break. :lol:

Scott, cut the crap man, no one, NO ONE called you a liar. I asked 10 times in Andy's forum if they were completely sure and I kept telling you I wasn't sure about the whole thing, I had to give him the benefit of doubt. Now that I've seen it for myself, I'm glad I did.

It's just ridiculous how you're SO convinced when you can't SEE it. It's okay so speculate but you said it in such way you made it seem like the scene was clear and the trash was there and you could see the papers going inside and that's not the case.

I don't know what he did with the papers, but what I am sure of is that you CAN'T be sure he did one or another thing.

Carito_90
09-19-2006, 03:27 AM
Tangy, thank you for the video. :kiss:

tangerine_dream
09-19-2006, 03:27 AM
You Irish bug. Think McFly. Think.
I can't. Darth Vader came down from the Planet Vulcan and said that he'd melt my brain.

bluefork
09-19-2006, 03:29 AM
I should probably just stop responding to this thread, as it's kind of pointless, but another thing just occurred to me that makes me think he did throw the cards away rather than just put them in his pocket. He actually stopped walking when he did whatever he did with the cards. Why would he have to stop just to put something in his pocket?

Jlee
09-19-2006, 03:30 AM
I was at the US Open the other weekend and while I didn't see that particular incident, I was in that area. There was no trash can...I'll give you two photos of that area...I don't really know why they would randomly put one there later.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/USOpen2006/Sunday/CIMG0023.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/USOpen2006/Sunday/CIMG0804.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/USOpen2006/Sunday/CIMG0813.jpg

ETA: No, three photos! lol

Carito_90
09-19-2006, 03:31 AM
You know, if Andy would just walk around with 20 bodyguards like Lleyton supposedly does, none of this would happen. :angel:

:haha: :haha:

liptea
09-19-2006, 03:32 AM
I can't tell.

thanks tangy. :hug:

MisterQ
09-19-2006, 03:32 AM
the plot thickens.... :lol:

Fee
09-19-2006, 03:34 AM
I hope you don't become a tube of toothpaste.

Funniest post I've read today, I cannot stop laughing at this. HUZZAH!

cmurray
09-19-2006, 03:34 AM
I can't. Darth Vader came down from the Planet Vulcan and said that he'd melt my brain.


"You made a time machine? Out of a Delorian?"

Jimnik
09-19-2006, 03:35 AM
I should probably just stop responding to this thread, as it's kind of pointless, but another thing just occurred to me that makes me think he did throw the cards away rather than just put them in his pocket. He actually stopped walking when he did whatever he did with the cards. Why would he have to stop just to put something in his pocket?
A lot of poeple stop to put something into their pocket. Especially when they're trying to squeeze something into their pocket.

In fact, the more I watch the tape, the more it looks like he did just that.

tangerine_dream
09-19-2006, 03:36 AM
"You made a time machine? Out of a Delorian?"
The way I see it, if you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style? :lol:

PamV
09-19-2006, 03:36 AM
Well, sorry for the craptastic video but my VCR's on the fritz:

http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=2ibf4mc

It's pretty inconclusive really, not even Scott can say that Andy definitely threw the cards away and if he does, well, we all know he's an Andy HATA anyway. ;)

Just a thought: if Andy really did toss the cards don't you think the commentators (Tracy Austin and somebody else) who were watching would've said something about it? Definitely Tracy would've likely gasped. She's not good about hiding her feelings.

The video clip shows that Andy praises a little kid's drawing he was given for his birthday and then Andy tosses it in the trash as he walks away. The kid couldn't see him doing it, and who knows if Andy realized the camera was on him. However, it is kind of creepy to see him give fake praise and then toss the drawing a few seconds later.

All I can think is that Andy must get swamped with kids and people giving him things and his mind was on other things.

Fee
09-19-2006, 03:37 AM
A lot of poeple stop to put something into their pocket. Especially when they're trying to squeeze something into their pocket.

In fact, the more I watch the tape, the more it looks like he did just that.


Or, if the fabric of their pocket is caught up under the bottom of their long t-shirt. Or... if they are trying to walk around the annoying metal 'feet' of those guardrails the USTA sets up next to the practice courts... (thanks for the photos, by the way).

PamV
09-19-2006, 03:37 AM
A lot of poeple stop to put something into their pocket. Especially when they're trying to squeeze something into their pocket.

In fact, the more I watch the tape, the more it looks like he did just that.

It looks unmistakeable that he tosses the pic he was just given.

Jlee
09-19-2006, 03:39 AM
It looks unmistakeable that he tosses the pic he was just given.

Could you take a quick look at the pics I posted? Do you see a trash can??

When the players are signing they never have their bags with them, the more I think about it the more I think that the bags are usually just sitting at the fence there or somewhere in that area. He probably just stuck it on the bag, he's not a moron :lol:

drf716
09-19-2006, 03:40 AM
does he have any fans left

Jlee
09-19-2006, 03:41 AM
does he have any fans left

Well you know, when I was there Safin refused to sign for a few people who'd been waiting for four hours in the rain because he didn't have a pen. I find that to be worse than what Andy allegedly did.

PamV
09-19-2006, 03:42 AM
Could you take a quick look at the pics I posted? Do you see a trash can??

When the players are signing they never have their bags with them, the more I think about it the more I think that the bags are usually just sitting at the fence there or somewhere in that area. He probably just stuck it on the bag, he's not a moron :lol:

It looks like he stops and pushes it into a stationary thing....not his pocket or a bag. I don't think it's a matter of intelligence it's just this picture was not important to him. Maybe he gets pictures all the time and he was under a lot of stress thinking about a match.

Jlee
09-19-2006, 03:43 AM
It looks like he stops and pushes it into a stationary thing....not his pocket or a bag. I don't think it's a matter of intelligence it's just this picture was not important to him. Maybe he gets pictures all the time and he was under a lot of stress thinking about a match.

I'm suggesting that his bag was stationary :p Did you look at the trash-can-less pics I posted?!

tangerine_dream
09-19-2006, 03:43 AM
:lol: This is like a case of Unsolved Mysteries.

Another possibility is that Andy had stopped to stuff the cards into his bag on his way in to the practice court
the more I think about it the more I think that the bags are usually just sitting at the fence there or somewhere in that area. He probably just stuck it on the bag, he's not a moron :lol:
I agree. I've watched the video several times now and noticed that he wasn't carrying his bag as he was walking onto the practice court, so it is most likely that he stuffed the cards into his bag.

Good detective work, MTF. :hatoff: It's good that we have one another to hash these problems out. ;)

cmurray
09-19-2006, 03:43 AM
The way I see it, if you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style? :lol:

"Lorraine, my density has brought me to you."

tangerine_dream
09-19-2006, 03:45 AM
"Lorraine, my density has brought me to you."
Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the earth's gravitational pull?

cmurray
09-19-2006, 03:47 AM
Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the earth's gravitational pull?

"He's an idiot. It has to do with upbringing. His parents are probably idiots too."

El Legenda
09-19-2006, 03:50 AM
roddick still sucks

PamV
09-19-2006, 03:52 AM
I'm suggesting that his bag was stationary :p Did you look at the trash-can-less pics I posted?!

Why would the bag be up that high? What was it sitting on? And why would Andy leave his bag behind where it was out in public view? Players usually take their bags with them.

I think trash cans are very common at tennis venues. I can't tell that your photos are of the same spot. I don't understand how your pictures are supposed to prove anything.

bluefork
09-19-2006, 03:53 AM
"He's an idiot. It has to do with upbringing. His parents are probably idiots too."

Careful...If I hadn't known what this thread was about, I might have thought you were talking about Roddick. :lol:

cmurray
09-19-2006, 03:55 AM
Careful...If I hadn't known what this thread was about, I might have thought you were talking about Roddick. :lol:


bwahahahaha. Ok. Just to be clear, these are Back to the Future quotes. Not a slam on Andy Roddick's parents. :p

Merton
09-19-2006, 03:55 AM
So many questions, so few answers.

Winston's Human
09-19-2006, 03:55 AM
Having watched this videotape several times (going back in forth ala Zapruder), it is clear that Andy stuck the cards in his pocket. Maybe some of the posters here are more graceful, but I always have to stop to push something down into my pockets.

PamV
09-19-2006, 03:56 AM
I'm suggesting that his bag was stationary :p Did you look at the trash-can-less pics I posted?!

Would the bag be sitting on a table? Why would he leave it near an open area where anyone could take it? Usually players take their bag on court and leave by the chair so they can get things they need easily.

Was the ACE article all initiated because of the video or was a reporter there in person?

Jlee
09-19-2006, 03:56 AM
Why would the bag be up that high? What was it sitting on? And why would Andy leave his bag behind where it was out in public view? Players usually take their bags with them.

I think trash cans are very common at tennis venues. I can't tell that your photos are of the same spot. I don't understand how your pictures are supposed to prove anything.

Out of public view? And obviously he didn't have the bag with him when he was coming out.

My photos are at the same spot. You seem to enjoy analyzing this video so take a closer look. Hear all the people around the corner screaming "ANDY!!" that would be the vantage point of the pictures. Those were also the only courts that Andy and the other big names practiced on, and that's the way they always came back through. If you're doubting that they're even at the USO take a look at Jimmy Connors :p Trash cans are common, sure. But do they randomly move them around during tournaments into the way of where tennis players are coming out of the gate after practice?

Why do I even bother...

Carito_90
09-19-2006, 03:57 AM
Why would the bag be up that high? What was it sitting on? And why would Andy leave his bag behind where it was out in public view? Players usually take their bags with them.

I think trash cans are very common at tennis venues. I can't tell that your photos are of the same spot. I don't understand how your pictures are supposed to prove anything.
Okay okay, calm down everyone.
You think he threw them to the trash, that's ok.
Jlee doesn't think he did, that's ok too.

I mean, you both have your points of view and we shouldn't be trying to impose it to the other one. :) Is that ok?

Jlee
09-19-2006, 03:58 AM
Okay okay, calm down everyone.
You think he threw them to the trash, that's ok.
Jlee doesn't think he did, that's ok too.

I mean, you both have your points of view and we shouldn't be trying to impose it to the other one. :) Is that ok?

LOL point taken ;) I'm really not trying to be argumentative :p

~*BGT*~
09-19-2006, 04:12 AM
The video clip shows that Andy praises a little kid's drawing he was given for his birthday and then Andy tosses it in the trash as he walks away. The kid couldn't see him doing it, and who knows if Andy realized the camera was on him. However, it is kind of creepy to see him give fake praise and then toss the drawing a few seconds later.

All I can think is that Andy must get swamped with kids and people giving him things and his mind was on other things.
He was just doing what all parents do when their kids give them crap they made themselves. You think my parents enjoyed all of the violin concerts I played in when I was 9? Or all parents have kept all of the little doodles their kids gave them? No, they praise them for a few seconds and prolly trash them later. Or they keep them for a few years and toss them later.

And this wasn't even Andy's kid. So even if I don't think he threw the cards away immediatly, he prolly threw them away eventually. Which is fine. i would have done that too. I think he put them in his pocket.

Veronique
09-19-2006, 04:26 AM
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? The tape is inconclusive yet many here think Andy is guilty? Whatever!

PamV
09-19-2006, 04:48 AM
Having watched this videotape several times (going back in forth ala Zapruder), it is clear that Andy stuck the cards in his pocket. Maybe some of the posters here are more graceful, but I always have to stop to push something down into my pockets.

But are there any photos of the pocket to prove it existed? Would you have to stop to push a piece of paper into your pocket?

Allure
09-19-2006, 04:48 AM
Just watched the video..at first it looks like he is looking down at something (a trash can?) and threw away the pic but since the bottom is not showed, one can imagine he was stuffing it in his pocket.

PamV
09-19-2006, 04:57 AM
Out of public view? And obviously he didn't have the bag with him when he was coming out.

My photos are at the same spot. You seem to enjoy analyzing this video so take a closer look. Hear all the people around the corner screaming "ANDY!!" that would be the vantage point of the pictures. Those were also the only courts that Andy and the other big names practiced on, and that's the way they always came back through. If you're doubting that they're even at the USO take a look at Jimmy Connors :p Trash cans are common, sure. But do they randomly move them around during tournaments into the way of where tennis players are coming out of the gate after practice?

Why do I even bother...

I dont' care....I just thought people were playing detective and I like analyzing clues. It doesn't matter one way or the other what Andy does with his cards. However, if he were stuffing something in his pocket I don't think he'd need to stop walking to do that. If it were a tennis bag....it's odd he wouldn't want to have that nearby on the court. Leaving a bag laying around is one way to get his gattorade spiked.

Was the ACE article based on what a reporter saw.....or just on this video clip?

PamV
09-19-2006, 05:00 AM
Just watched the video..at first it looks like he is looking down at something (a trash can?) and threw away the pic but since the bottom is not showed, one can imagine he was stuffing it in his pocket.


Why imagine a pocket if the pocket wasn't shown? Most people don't need to stop walking to put something in a pocket. Plus he was looking to the side not directly down where were his pocket could have been.

Can anyone tell me if the ACE reporter was actually there? What's that all about?

MisterQ
09-19-2006, 05:01 AM
Maybe he was reaching down and running the cards through the laminator to preserve them for future generations.

savesthedizzle
09-19-2006, 05:03 AM
Maybe he was reaching down and running the cards through the laminator to preserve them for future generations.


:rolls:

Lee
09-19-2006, 05:05 AM
Maybe he was reaching down and running the cards through the laminator to preserve them for future generations.

My take is there's a guy snoring with his mouth open on the bench which annoyed Andy to the point that he crushed the papers and stuff them into the guy's mouth.

PamV
09-19-2006, 05:05 AM
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? The tape is inconclusive yet many here think Andy is guilty? Whatever!

It's not a court of law here.....it's just a bunch of peole trying to piece together a logical answer. Actually I think it's all quite funny.....to treat this as if it were a possible crime. :haha:

PamV
09-19-2006, 05:07 AM
Well you know, when I was there Safin refused to sign for a few people who'd been waiting for four hours in the rain because he didn't have a pen. I find that to be worse than what Andy allegedly did.

What's so bad about not having a pen?

PamV
09-19-2006, 05:11 AM
Okay okay, calm down everyone.
You think he threw them to the trash, that's ok.
Jlee doesn't think he did, that's ok too.

I mean, you both have your points of view and we shouldn't be trying to impose it to the other one. :) Is that ok?

I am always calm. I am not trying to impose anything. To me the trash can theory is the most logical assumption until we see a photo of the bag or pocket with a date and time stamp.

Fee
09-19-2006, 05:26 AM
Pam, do you really think a professional male tennis player would go to the practice court without shorts that have pockets? Seriously?

Mimi
09-19-2006, 05:34 AM
oh if it is true, then he is not nice and is so foolish, even if he does not like the cards, he should throw it when he reaches home :eek:

PamV
09-19-2006, 05:42 AM
Pam, do you really think a professional male tennis player would go to the practice court without shorts that have pockets? Seriously? I was just teasing because the whole thing has been treated as if it's a major investigation of a crime.

PamV
09-19-2006, 05:43 AM
oh if it is true, then he is not nice and is so foolish, even if he does not like the cards, he should throw it when he reaches home :eek:

Maybe he's hounded all the time and exhausted. Who knows? For all we know the kid's drawing was unflattering.

J. Corwin
09-19-2006, 05:56 AM
Okay wait. Jace said he didn't throw the cards away? You said that there is no way to tell.

So, which one is the truth?


hi.

Here was my post where I clearly said there was no way to tell. :banana:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=4057730&postcount=672

:cool:

J. Corwin
09-19-2006, 05:58 AM
Anyway, I think could have been fondling his midget girlfriend or was scratching his balls.

MarieS
09-19-2006, 06:03 AM
Let me preface this by saying that I don't like Roddick a whole lot...BUT, what the hell is the big deal about this? Is everyone so desperate to discredit/sling mud at him that you cling onto stuff like this? Even if this DID happen(there is absolutely no conclusive evidence), it's so clearly out of character and inconsistent with his previous behavior that it should be irrelevant. It certainly doesn't reveal the "real andy".
He's such an easy target, you guys don't need this!

Carito_90
09-19-2006, 06:06 AM
I am always calm. I am not trying to impose anything. To me the trash can theory is the most logical assumption until we see a photo of the bag or pocket with a date and time stamp.

Ah, but I don't believe in the 'guilty unless proven otherwsie' theory. :lol:

El Legenda
09-19-2006, 06:10 AM
no wonder i never get replies to all those hate laters i sent him.


;)

partygirl
09-19-2006, 06:10 AM
Let me preface this by saying that I don't like Roddick a whole lot...BUT, what the hell is the big deal about this? Is everyone so desperate to discredit/sling mud at him that you cling onto stuff like this? Even if this DID happen(there is absolutely no conclusive evidence), it's so clearly out of character and inconsistent with his previous behavior that it should be irrelevant. It certainly doesn't reveal the "real andy".
He's such an easy target, you guys don't need this!
-well said.

if anyone has anything to add may i suggest a smiley....http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/talk024.gif

El Legenda
09-19-2006, 06:15 AM
roddick sucks :)

partygirl
09-19-2006, 06:19 AM
Jerryduck that is very unbecomming of you.:ras:

if he sucks it so much...i'd like to watch. :)

atheneglaukopis
09-19-2006, 06:32 AM
What's so bad about not having a pen?It's a fundamental duty of all tennis players to be prepared in every circumstance to sign autographs with something. Feli, for example, finding himself without a pen, would have broken out a tube of lipstick. :tape:

El Legenda
09-19-2006, 06:34 AM
:o Jerryduck that is very unbecomming of you.:ras:

if he sucks it so much...i'd like to watch. :)

:hug: fine....how about Roddick hates little kids :)

partygirl
09-19-2006, 07:30 AM
he does not hate them, he eats them.
which is different than sucking.

its.like.that
09-19-2006, 07:40 AM
I heard that Roddick wiped his ass with the birthday cards

Apparently Roddick is a big conservationist, and he didn't directly wipe his arse with the birthday cards.

He had them recycled and made into toilet paper, which he then wiped his ass with.

:D

scoobs
09-19-2006, 09:47 AM
Let us use our little grey cells of the mind, mes amis, and approach this case with the order and the method.

We have the evidence of the photos and the video.

So the photos on page 11 and the video are CLEARLY the same area if you choose to look closely enough.

In the photos you can see the sign on the fence that the accused stops next to in the video, and the pole he then moves to walk around after the alleged crime against humanity.

There is no trash can there.

Bon! Allons!

If we want to talk about evidence we can now confirm there is NO trashcan at the scene of alleged crime, so the theory that he threw the papers in a conveniently placed trashcan falls to the ground. N'est-ce pas?

Further, you will note that the alleged foul plot took place at the entrance to a practice court. We can conclude from this, and from the evidence he was carrying two tennis racquets and a towel, that the suspect was engaged in a practice session before the start of the video exhibit. Tennis players of the male persuasion nearly always wear pockets with shorts and the typical mode of the moment is to wear them very long. So the pockets will be typically quite deep. Is it not unreasonable, therefore, to conclude that the perpetrator paused for a moment to put the now folded up articles deep into the pocket on the right side of his shorts, leaning to the right slightly to ensure they were pushed down to the bottom of the pocket. The movement looked a little awkward but then he's also jugging a couple of tennis racquets and a towel in his left hand and so he paused to put the papers in a pocket to free up a hand.

We have no direct evidence to confirm this assumption but given the available facts, mon dieu! it is the best theory we have. Remember mes amis, if the facts do not fit the theory, then let the theory go. The most reasonable explananation is usually the correct one.

But I speak to you there of the evidence. Now we must use the evidence of the man's character, the psychology of the case. This is the type of man who spends time interacting with les enfants, he is polite to them and kind and thoughtful and gives them a moment to remember. Then he leaves them and as soon as he's round the corner he somehow disposes of them into an invisible trashcan, all of this while on camera! Ah non! nom d'un nom d'un nom. Ma foi, that makes no sense! He is not some cartoon villain with a cloak and a pointy moustache to twirl while cackling at the camera! The psychology of that theory is all wrong!

He must have put the items into a pocket. There is no other reasonable explanation. The case is closed, mes amis.



(with apologies to Hercule Poirot)

williaer
09-19-2006, 09:56 AM
scoobsuk... :haha: :haha: that is brilliant.

I agree that the video is inconclusive however I'm leaning towards the idea he put them in his pocket because the was fiddling with his leg/shorts while walking which would mean he was walking away 'from the bin' (which might not have even been there). However I think after 15 pages of chat about one alleged incident that it should be officially layed to rest.

embellish
09-19-2006, 10:28 AM
:rolls:
I can't believe this thread is still going

Ceri
09-19-2006, 11:35 AM
Let us use our little grey cells of the mind, mes amis, and approach this case with the order and the method.

We have the evidence of the photos and the video.

So the photos on page 11 and the video are CLEARLY the same area if you choose to look closely enough.

In the photos you can see the sign on the fence that the accused stops next to in the video, and the pole he then moves to walk around after the alleged crime against humanity.

There is no trash can there.

Bon! Allons!

If we want to talk about evidence we can now confirm there is NO trashcan at the scene of alleged crime, so the theory that he threw the papers in a conveniently placed trashcan falls to the ground. N'est-ce pas?

Further, you will note that the alleged foul plot took place at the entrance to a practice court. We can conclude from this, and from the evidence he was carrying two tennis racquets and a towel, that the suspect was engaged in a practice session before the start of the video exhibit. Tennis players of the male persuasion nearly always wear pockets with shorts and the typical mode of the moment is to wear them very long. So the pockets will be typically quite deep. Is it not unreasonable, therefore, to conclude that the perpetrator paused for a moment to put the now folded up articles deep into the pocket on the right side of his shorts, leaning to the right slightly to ensure they were pushed down to the bottom of the pocket. The movement looked a little awkward but then he's also jugging a couple of tennis racquets and a towel in his left hand and so he paused to put the papers in a pocket to free up a hand.

We have no direct evidence to confirm this assumption but given the available facts, mon dieu! it is the best theory we have. Remember mes amis, if the facts do not fit the theory, then let the theory go. The most reasonable explananation is usually the correct one.

But I speak to you there of the evidence. Now we must use the evidence of the man's character, the psychology of the case. This is the type of man who spends time interacting with les enfants, he is polite to them and kind and thoughtful and gives them a moment to remember. Then he leaves them and as soon as he's round the corner he somehow disposes of them into an invisible trashcan, all of this while on camera! Ah non! nom d'un nom d'un nom. Ma foi, that makes no sense! He is not some cartoon villain with a cloak and a pointy moustache to twirl while cackling at the camera! The psychology of that theory is all wrong!

He must have put the items into a pocket. There is no other reasonable explanation. The case is closed, mes amis.



(with apologies to Hercule Poirot)
haha love it!

yomike
09-19-2006, 12:15 PM
Andy Roddick can do whatever he wants a little controversy won't hurt especially how deadfully boring he is on court.

silverwhite
09-19-2006, 12:28 PM
So many questions, so few answers.

So few objective answers. :)

Action Jackson
09-19-2006, 12:32 PM
In other words we have a Seinfeld espiode here?

A whole lot of nothing.

Corey Feldman
09-19-2006, 12:45 PM
i know.. cmon RDucky, at least give someone else a chance in the arseclown contest.
:p

partygirl
09-19-2006, 12:46 PM
In other words we have a Seinfeld espiode here?

A whole lot of nothing.
:haha: perfect.

Corey Feldman
09-19-2006, 12:47 PM
are u serious? do you send him cards every year?:haha: No, i dont.
lol

partygirl
09-19-2006, 12:55 PM
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.:sad:

Corey Feldman
09-19-2006, 01:04 PM
well i dont want them crumpled up and thrown in the phantom trash can :(

scoobs
09-19-2006, 01:28 PM
Startling new evidence has just come to light which puts it beyond all doubt.

http://static.flickr.com/96/247396316_d340b7b726_o.jpg

its.like.that
09-19-2006, 01:49 PM
:haha: No, i dont.
lol

Liar. :ras:

Purple Rainbow
09-19-2006, 02:19 PM
Best thread of the year! Keep it up!

Horatio Caine
09-19-2006, 02:22 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: Geez...15 pages of absolute bollocks!!

Listen - I'm just quoting what I have read...ACE Magazine would have to be pretty sure about the details of the story to print it.

Chucking the cards doesn't make him a bad person...and I'm not trying to undermine his charitable acts...but he could have chosen a better time and place to chuck the cards...if that is indeed what he did. :shrug:

tangerine_dream
09-19-2006, 02:28 PM
Listen - I'm just quoting what I have read...ACE Magazine would have to be pretty sure about the details of the story to print it.
Just because ACE magazine prints it doesn't mean it's true. I get this magazine and every month I find numerous factual errors about the American players. But this one tops them. :lol:

Well you know, when I was there Safin refused to sign for a few people who'd been waiting for four hours in the rain because he didn't have a pen. I find that to be worse than what Andy allegedly did.
I've heard so many stories about Safin and him literally running away from fans after they've been waiting for him for hours. :eek: :lol:

Horatio Caine
09-19-2006, 02:31 PM
Just because ACE magazine prints it doesn't mean it's true. I get this magazine and every month I find numerous factual errors about the American players. But this one tops them. :lol:
True...but they have to be careful with the accuracy of the information they print. You can find errors in most things Tangy...Neil Harman (writes for the Times and has written a tennis book) for instance makes several errors in his reports.

But in this instance, ACE Magazine had an editor out there...although probably not on the scene at the time of the supposed Roddick incident.

Horatio Caine
09-19-2006, 02:36 PM
For once, the focus on these boards is off Ljubo :tape:

alfonsojose
09-19-2006, 02:43 PM
Did he throw my naked photo :tears: :sad: ?

alfonsojose
09-19-2006, 02:47 PM
Pam, do you really think a professional male tennis player would go to the practice court without shorts that have pockets? Seriously?
Feli can do that :p

Giggles
09-19-2006, 02:54 PM
Well, sorry for the craptastic video but my VCR's on the fritz:

http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=2ibf4mc

It's pretty inconclusive really, not even Scott can say that Andy definitely threw the cards away and if he does, well, we all know he's an Andy HATA anyway. ;)

Just a thought: if Andy really did toss the cards don't you think the commentators (Tracy Austin and somebody else) who were watching would've said something about it? Definitely Tracy would've likely gasped. She's not good about hiding her feelings.

In addition to the interpretation of ACE magazine, it also appears that he is putting the cards into the right pocket of his shorts because
1. He did not carry a tennis bag. His pockets are the only place to store the cards.
2. His arm was kept next to his body and appears to be reaching straight down during the incident.

I'll quote the entire passage for you guys...

What a rotter!

"A publicity stunt for Andy Roddick backfired during the opening week. The American was filmed by host broadcaster USA Network graciously accepting birthday cards from young children. Unfortunately for Roddick, who turned 24 on 30 August, the cameras picked him up screwing up the cards and throwing them into a rubbish bin as he walked away." (- page 50...for the benefit of other ACE Magazine readers).

Anyway, it is way too much to assert "the cameras picked him up screwing up the cards and throwing them into a rubbish bin" from this video. We do not see any rubbish bin or Roddick screwing up the cards and throwing them.

alfonsojose
09-19-2006, 03:13 PM
Not enough evidence. I can't see any rubbish bin :p

MisterQ
09-19-2006, 03:42 PM
Startling new evidence has just come to light which puts it beyond all doubt.

http://static.flickr.com/96/247396316_d340b7b726_o.jpg

:haha: :rolls:

starr_00
09-19-2006, 03:44 PM
Wow, this has gotten out of control. Hilarious thread though.
I was actually standing a few feet away from this as it actually happened. I worked at the open for about 6 days/nights and USA filmed this for their broadcast (one of the little boys shown was actually the son of a USA staffer, that is why you can see a credential around his neck). I was standing with my crew, and the dad came over kind of excited and said, 'they are going to film my son and his friend giving birthday cards to Roddick, he's so excited.' The few of us headed over from where we were stationed at the President's gate to take a peek.
Andy took the cards, put them in his shorts pocket, and walked back to the president's gate area where he checked in, and went back behind the gate.
It really was all very sweet.
Hate Andy or not, no one would be that stupid to throw those cards away in front of some excited little kids - and I can assure you he did no such thing. I'm suprised ACE mag printed something that really didn't happen. It's a bit disturbing...

alfonsojose
09-19-2006, 03:59 PM
Wow, this has gotten out of control. Hilarious thread though.
I was actually standing a few feet away from this as it actually happened. I worked at the open for about 6 days/nights and USA filmed this for their broadcast (one of the little boys shown was actually the son of a USA staffer, that is why you can see a credential around his neck). I was standing with my crew, and the dad came over kind of excited and said, 'they are going to film my son and his friend giving birthday cards to Roddick, he's so excited.' The few of us headed over from where we were stationed at the President's gate to take a peek.
Andy took the cards, put them in his shorts pocket, and walked back to the president's gate area where he checked in, and went back behind the gate.
It really was all very sweet.
Hate Andy or not, no one would be that stupid to throw those cards away in front of some excited little kids - and I can assure you he did no such thing. I'm suprised ACE mag printed something that really didn't happen. It's a bit disturbing...
Liar. We don't believe you. Post pics of yourself (with and without uniform :angel: )

Carito_90
09-19-2006, 04:19 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: Geez...15 pages of absolute bollocks!!

Listen - I'm just quoting what I have read...ACE Magazine would have to be pretty sure about the details of the story to print it.

Chucking the cards doesn't make him a bad person...and I'm not trying to undermine his charitable acts...but he could have chosen a better time and place to chuck the cards...if that is indeed what he did. :shrug:
These are the people that are claiming Maria Sharapova and Andy Roddick are dating! Is this true? No. Do they have proof? No. Are they lying? YES.

Geez.

Carito_90
09-19-2006, 04:23 PM
Wow, this has gotten out of control. Hilarious thread though.
I was actually standing a few feet away from this as it actually happened. I worked at the open for about 6 days/nights and USA filmed this for their broadcast (one of the little boys shown was actually the son of a USA staffer, that is why you can see a credential around his neck). I was standing with my crew, and the dad came over kind of excited and said, 'they are going to film my son and his friend giving birthday cards to Roddick, he's so excited.' The few of us headed over from where we were stationed at the President's gate to take a peek.
Andy took the cards, put them in his shorts pocket, and walked back to the president's gate area where he checked in, and went back behind the gate.
It really was all very sweet.
Hate Andy or not, no one would be that stupid to throw those cards away in front of some excited little kids - and I can assure you he did no such thing. I'm suprised ACE mag printed something that really didn't happen. It's a bit disturbing...
Thanks for clearing that up. :)

:tape:

atheneglaukopis
09-19-2006, 05:51 PM
I've heard so many stories about Safin and him literally running away from fans after they've been waiting for him for hours. :eek: :lol:Have you ever been to the Safin forum here? :lol: He has every reason to be scared to death of his fans! :devil: Especially while he had the moptop--it was nothing but constant plotting how to sneak up on him with a pair of scissors. :bolt:

Lee
09-19-2006, 05:54 PM
Wow, this has gotten out of control. Hilarious thread though.
I was actually standing a few feet away from this as it actually happened. I worked at the open for about 6 days/nights and USA filmed this for their broadcast (one of the little boys shown was actually the son of a USA staffer, that is why you can see a credential around his neck). I was standing with my crew, and the dad came over kind of excited and said, 'they are going to film my son and his friend giving birthday cards to Roddick, he's so excited.' The few of us headed over from where we were stationed at the President's gate to take a peek.
Andy took the cards, put them in his shorts pocket, and walked back to the president's gate area where he checked in, and went back behind the gate.
It really was all very sweet.
Hate Andy or not, no one would be that stupid to throw those cards away in front of some excited little kids - and I can assure you he did no such thing. I'm suprised ACE mag printed something that really didn't happen. It's a bit disturbing...

Thanks for your eyewitness report.

But don't be disappointed if there are still posters here believe otherwise. ;)

radics
09-19-2006, 06:26 PM
Geeez what's going on? This board is so crazy. A lot of people (including also adults) discussing such a crap over 17! pages.

starr_00
09-19-2006, 06:26 PM
Liar. We don't believe you. Post pics of yourself (with and without uniform :angel: )

Ha! Believe me - no one wants to see me naked. My uniform was pretty sad as well, just khakis and an incredibly ugly lime green amex polo.

Aside from this little andy/birthday card story - this was my first year working at the open. I have to say - it was quite a pleasant suprise to see the players, fans, and how they interact with amongst themselves and each other.
Biggest shocker to me just standing around in the credentialed area? Carlos Moya stepping out, entourage free - just hanging out, chatting people up, being incredibly nice, and arranging for his own car to pick him up. Not to mention that he is sex on legs. I was very impressed (as most of the other players had a pack of people that followed them around).

...And I know it's not fun for gossip's sake, but absolutely no one appeared to be an a**hole. The two times I was there when Andy showed up, he high-fived all the security guys and appeared to know most of their names, the staff seemed to like him a lot. Fernando Gonzalez seemed like a really nice guy as well.

croat123
09-19-2006, 07:19 PM
:haha:

ljubo spending time with the special olympics while andy fails in yet another attempt to manipulate his fans :yeah:

cmurray
09-19-2006, 07:22 PM
Am I the only one that thinks the amusing part of the story is that USA set up the "spontaneous" brithday card presentation? Tennis is getting as bad as "reality" tv.

alfonsojose
09-19-2006, 07:23 PM
:haha:

ljubo spending time with the special olympics while andy fails in yet another attempt to manipulate his fans :yeah:
At least watch the video first :cuckoo: :wavey:

alfonsojose
09-19-2006, 07:26 PM
Am I the only one that thinks the amusing part of the story is that USA set up the "spontaneous" brithday card presentation? Tennis is getting as bad as "reality" tv.
:lol: So sad and so true. You watch a sport 'coz u like it. I don't need a circus before every match :shrug:

atheneglaukopis
09-19-2006, 07:39 PM
This whole thread reminds me of the Henin-hand incident and how on WTAWorld people still believed what they wanted to believe even AFTER they saw the video.

To me, a picture of the grounds means nothing. Just because a trash can isn't there at the time of the photograph it doesn't mean that there never was a trash can there.

However, the video also means nothing. Clearly Andy's stuffing the cards somewhere, but whether it's in a pocket or in a can or all the way up his bum (that's why he leaned over, you know ;)) is hard to tell.

So what if he threw them away? He is not The Evil. Or, if he didn't throw them away, so what if he put them in his pocket? That doesn't mean he was intending to keep them till the end of time and didn't just throw them out later.

All in all, what a :yawn:.

Edit: And MTF is now showing me Google ads for trash cans and recycling. :haha:It's showing me roof repair and install, and it's bringing to mind the Davydenko thread, with all the expressed need for renovation upstairs. :angel: