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Which of the other young players will come through win a slam and beat Nadal?

TennisAgenda
09-18-2006, 07:45 AM
Nadal is no.2 in the world I would never dispute this fact. However, this year Gasquet, Murray, Marcos, Berdych and Djokovic all stepped up and moved to a new level. I think its only a matter of time before the other young players not only challenge but beat Nadal. The question is though is not if they will do it but when.

I don't know about Monfils Courier and John McEnroe say he's a real talent but I did not like his defensive play at the US OPEN. To be 6 foot 4 and play like that isn't right. I can honestly say out of all the the young players he is the one that hasn't impressed me this year. I think he can definitely play ont the clay but if he wants to be a serious contender he needs to make some adjustments. I expected more from him maybe now that he' wants a new coach and a new direction he will improve his game.

Exodus
09-18-2006, 07:46 AM
Gasquet

TennisAgenda
09-18-2006, 07:51 AM
I think Murray I keep on hearing all this hype about him. And I am impressed he beat Roddick twice this year, he's beaten Hewitt and he beat Federer. He also won a title this year. If Murray can only get his fitness together he will be dangerous.

Gasquet is very talented but the mental aspect is his problem. Djokovic is perhaps the most naturally talented out of all the teenagers. He's is so talented. I can see him really storming through the rankings even higher next year.

richie21
09-18-2006, 09:25 AM
I think Murray I keep on hearing all this hype about him. And I am impressed he beat Roddick twice this year, he's beaten Hewitt and he beat Federer. He also won a title this year. If Murray can only get his fitness together he will be dangerous.

Gasquet is very talented but the mental aspect is his problem. Djokovic is perhaps the most naturally talented out of all the teenagers. He's is so talented. I can see him really storming through the rankings even higher next year.

i would say fitness is his main problem,not his mental.

its.like.that
09-18-2006, 09:36 AM
Berdych and Baghdatis are the only ones who can play 5 sets.

MurrayFan1
09-18-2006, 10:30 AM
Murray, Baghdatis and Gasquet are in a different league to Berdych and Monfils.

sanpo
09-18-2006, 10:32 AM
Murray has a lot of potential and so is Gasquet, but I think Gasquet would beat Nadal sooner since he has a more developed game.

MurrayFan1
09-18-2006, 10:33 AM
Murray has a lot of potential and so is Gasquet, but I think Gasquet would beat Nadal sooner since he has a more developed game.

Yeah, he has a bit of an advantage over the other group of upcoming players as he's more experienced.

Deea
09-18-2006, 11:34 AM
Berdych and Gasquet...:)

landoud
09-18-2006, 11:45 AM
Berdych is a good candidate

gulzhan
09-18-2006, 12:20 PM
Great thread! :yeah: The idea is in the air the whole season. I'd even say--who of these youths (Gasquet, Murray, Berdych, Djoko, Bagda and Monfils under question) is most likely to compete with Nadal in challenging No.1 position in ATP in the coming two years.

I am sure Gasquet is the one who is the closest to Nadal and Fed. :bigclap:

When he meets one of these guys he still wins easily as continuing their junior matches. He had no problems with both Murray and Berdych at Toronto, I wish he met Djoko (not Hewitt) at US Open. He is the most talented :worship: , no question, and he has no mental toughness problem, it's a bad cliche :mad: .

He needs to add physically but it's a question of time, nothing more. The big question is-- will he grow out of his childish attitude to the game :lol: ? But then..... will we love him so much? :hearts:

silverwhite
09-18-2006, 12:56 PM
*cough* H2H *cough*

Monteque
09-18-2006, 01:52 PM
BEAT NADAL?????? BERDYCH HAVE DONE IT.
So nonsense to pick him again.The next one maybe Gasquet or Murray, they improving so much this year esp. Murray.

But for winning the Slam, it shouldnt beat Nadal only, right?? So the title of this thread is confused me a bit.

case
09-18-2006, 05:41 PM
He needs to add physically but it's a question of time, nothing more. The big question is-- will he grow out of his childish attitude to the game :lol: ? But then..... will we love him so much? :hearts:

:haha: everyone loves a winner :worship:

binkygirl
09-21-2006, 04:50 AM
I don't know if it will be any of them. It does not happen that often. Rafa has had an amazing year, by not only winning a Slam, but by getting to the finals on the grass of Wimbledon. He shocked the hell out of everyone with that stunt. If he stays healthy, then he could be the next dominant player.

gulzhan
09-21-2006, 05:29 AM
:haha: everyone loves a winner :worship:

:confused:
then why the most hated by mtf are fed (half of members) and nadal (the other half) :devil: and the most loved (if any player could be loved by mtf :p ) is safin?!! :nerner: the world's biggest loser?!! :haha:

Xristos
09-21-2006, 05:44 AM
Does the name "Xristos" ring a bell?

gulzhan
09-21-2006, 06:15 AM
Does the name "Xristos" ring a bell?

not in relation to tennis :tape:

njorker
09-21-2006, 06:17 AM
Gasquet definitely! :banana:

Baghdatis should be a contender but I think he's having a hard time catching up. He's only won his first title, compared w/ Nadal & Gasquet.

njorker
09-21-2006, 06:20 AM
:confused:
then why the most hated by mtf are fed (half of members) and nadal (the other half) :devil: and the most loved (if any player could be loved by mtf :p ) is safin?!! :nerner: the world's biggest loser?!! :haha:

Safin's not a loser.

gulzhan
09-21-2006, 06:22 AM
Safin's not a loser.

Then who is? ;)
BTW, I love him too! :angel:

Bagelicious
09-21-2006, 06:27 AM
Then who is? ;)


Donald Young...

gulzhan
09-21-2006, 06:37 AM
Donald Young...

:sad: did you see him at USO? how can you be mean to a child! :crying2:

seriously, he is not a loser, he is..... nobody! :banana:

Xristos
09-21-2006, 07:36 AM
not in relation to tennis :tape:
Well that proves you know nothing about tennis.

njorker
09-21-2006, 01:47 PM
Then who is? ;)

For me, Ljubicic.

Jadranka
09-21-2006, 01:50 PM
For me, Ljubicic.

Ljubo isn't young :)

Hm .. i think Ancic or Djokovic :o :o :)

Nathaliia
09-21-2006, 01:51 PM
Julian Reister, just not this year. :nerner:

StZox
09-22-2006, 12:08 AM
Djokovic

Pfloyd
09-22-2006, 12:25 AM
Nadal can lose to a few of these youngsters, I dont doub't. An in-form Djokovic, perhaps Berdych again, MAYBE Gasquet. Based on Nadal's recent results, he is proving to be quite shaky on HC (in terms of stringing many consecutive wins on that surface), but I don't fear for his #2 position at all yet.Some people assume Nadal has reched his peak, but I dont think so. Nadal still has things in his game that can improve, I don't doubt that sometime within the next 2 years he could become a constant HC threat.

masterclass
07-21-2014, 12:20 PM
Well since this thread was opened (in 2006), so far, besides Federer, only Del Potro, Djokovic (3), and Wawrinka have beaten Rafael Nadal in a slam and won it. There have been some other close efforts though.

Fernando González routined Nadal in the 2007 Australian Open QF, but was himself routined by Federer in the final.
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga came close in 2008, thrashing Nadal in the Australian Open semis, but lost in 4 sets to first timer Djokovic.
Andy Murray came close at the 2008 US Open, outdueling Nadal in 4 sets, but got routined by Federer in the final.
Robin Söderling outgunned Rafa in the 4th round of the 2009 French Open but got routined by Federer in the final.

So Juan Martin del Potro was the first youth to do it at the 2009 US Open, where he crushed Nadal in straight 2's, and overcame Federer from 2-1 down in the final to win his major.

Murray repeated his effort at the 2010 Australian Open, retiring Nadal in the QF, but again losing in 3 sets to Federer in the final.

Novak Djokovic then did it with a flourish at his peak in finals of three successive majors in 2011-2012, Wimbledon, the US Open, and the Australian Open, before Rafa ended the run at the 2012 French Open.

Finally, Stan Wawrinka beat Nadal in the 2014 Australian Open final, after beating Djokovic and Berdych.

Gasquet, Berdych, Baghdatis, Monfils just haven't panned out.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Joey Tribbiani
07-21-2014, 12:28 PM
Interesting thread.

:spit:

Fargif
07-21-2014, 01:34 PM
From the original sequence only Nole achieved the goal. While JMDP also did, but wasnt even in the equation. Murray has beaten Rafa but didnt win that slam.

Berdych Beat Rafa but now has a long loosing streak. Gasguet has yet to beat Rafa and Bagy? Hes done.

So Nole is the winner...

JoWilly
07-21-2014, 05:49 PM
Always funny to bump ancient threads and see how right/wrong people were!

Fedalkovic
07-21-2014, 06:00 PM
Jowilly, but he is not that young anymore.

JoWilly
07-21-2014, 06:03 PM
Jowilly, but he is not that young anymore.

Trying to work out which returning poster you are. MarkChan? But who was he before? Can't keep up.

phase3
07-21-2014, 06:17 PM
Murray has a lot of potential and so is Gasquet, but I think Gasquet would beat Nadal sooner since he has a more developed game.Gasquet has no heart. He will fold like a cheap suit against an in form Nadal. Oh don't worry Nadal will start losing a plenty.............IN ABOUT 3 years. When he is AT LEAST on a par with Federer.

So it won't matter then these guys will be lucky to win two slams in their entire career. The gods get to the teens. And even if they beat him it will be a once in a while thing. Nadal is a tennis warrior with more heart than anyone who ever played the game. If his mind and body are on the same hymn sheet no player in history can live with him. Djokovic is learning that the hard way in slam finals. He runs over everyone until he meets the will to win.

Then it's runner up time once again in the slams. I tell you what. Djokovic will go down with the most runner up finishes in slam history. Of that there is NO DOUBT.

doubletrollt
07-21-2014, 06:45 PM
...

Then it's runner up time once again in the slams. I tell you what. Djokovic will go down with the most runner up finishes in slam history. Of that there is NO DOUBT.

Well, at 7-7 it's already just Lendl with more RUPs in the open era.

If he gets to 8-12 only, he'll be only behind Federer and Nadal in slam finals count.

http://tennis28.com/slams/finals_openera.html

phase3
07-21-2014, 07:11 PM
Well, at 7-7 it's already just Lendl with more RUPs in the open era.

If he gets to 8-12 only, he'll be only behind Federer and Nadal in slam finals count.

http://tennis28.com/slams/finals_openera.htmlNot saying Djokovic can't win 3--5 more slams. He is too good a player not to. But he will lose at least 3 more aswell. I think a 11-10 or 12-10 split is very possible.

Fedalkovic
07-21-2014, 08:14 PM
Trying to work out which returning poster you are. MarkChan? But who was he before? Can't keep up.

Slade who? Sorry but Im no related to him, your younger brother perhaps? :lol:

emotion
07-21-2014, 09:06 PM
I think Murray I keep on hearing all this hype about him. And I am impressed he beat Roddick twice this year, he's beaten Hewitt and he beat Federer. He also won a title this year. If Murray can only get his fitness together he will be dangerous.

Gasquet is very talented but the mental aspect is his problem. Djokovic is perhaps the most naturally talented out of all the teenagers. He's is so talented. I can see him really storming through the rankings even higher next year.

Best prediction here I think. Pushing Murray and Djokovic, no mention of Monfils or Baghdatis, quick dismissal of Gasquet.

Alex999
07-21-2014, 09:31 PM
Interesting old thread. It's kinda funny how over hyped Gasquet was back then. I was a believer too. Many of us expected so much from him and he delivered absolutely nothing :sad:. Unfortunately Gasquet never had that champion mentality plus he stopped improving and his game regressed.

Nole was my second pick at that time.

Djokovic was flying under the radar, very few MTFers saw a multiple GS winner etc. It's too bad that many old very knowledgeable MTF members don't post here any more.

gulzhan
07-21-2014, 09:40 PM
God, was I young 8 years ago! :sad:

Well, I was right to call Donald Young a nobody :tape: :p

Rychu
07-21-2014, 10:37 PM
Turned out to be Djokovic after all.

Murray has a lot of potential and so is Gasquet, but I think Gasquet would beat Nadal sooner since he has a more developed game.

:sad: