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The women go net more and volley better then men

TennisAgenda
09-17-2006, 01:08 AM
I looked at the US OPEN final and its clear Roddick isn't all that great with low volleys. Roddick also just doesn't have that overall natural feel at the net. Its at the net where Amelie Mauresmo and Justine Henin Hardenne are the best volleyer in all of tennis. Tracy Austin is correct no man or woman volleys better then Amelie. She has so much instinct when she slices the ball and charges into the net no one can pass her. She also covers all sides of the net well and low volleys too. Both women have so much talent and natural feel for the ball.

wimbledonfan
09-17-2006, 01:11 AM
I agree .

The years of the great volleyers are long gone now . Federer and Nadal are average volleyers and Roddick needs a lot of work .

DustMan
09-17-2006, 04:53 AM
that's only because women hit shitty passing shots compared to men so it's easier to put away the volley

General Suburbia
09-17-2006, 05:31 AM
Women's tennis is boring. I have no idea why they have to imitate the men's game.

guy in sf
09-17-2006, 05:59 PM
I think Martina Navratilova is the best volleyer ever, men or women. Sampras is a good second.

NYCtennisfan
09-17-2006, 10:15 PM
Women do not hit passing shots with extraordinary pace off of approach shots that land on the baseline. Through the summer hardcourt season, I saw countless players hit what would formerly be considered amazing passing shots from positions that 10 or 15 years ago, only people like Agassi or Rios would be able to hit. 10 years ago, a good FH within 12 inches of the baseline, 2 ft from the sideline that stayed low gave you an excellent change to hit an easy next volley. Not the case anymore. It's no wonder players are not going up to net as often and hence not improving their volleying games.

Federer's net play has slowly deteriorated as he has gone away from the S/V game and even throughout this year. His volleying during the summer hardcourt season was quite poor and that includes the US OPen. In fact, he has had very few really good volleying days this year. His volleying against Nadal in Roma was fanstastic, and his volleying during IW and Miami was pretty good as well. I thought one of his best volleying performances since he quit S/V'ing was against Safin in the 2005 AO SF classic. He volleyed extremely well in that one.

World Beater
09-17-2006, 10:21 PM
yeah, its not only the power, but the dipping spin that the guys hit their balls with...its very difficult to anticipate when the trajectory is so steep.

the ball gets to your shoe tips so fast, that you need to open the face of the racket in order for the ball to go over the net. but if you anticipate wrongly, you are a sitting duck for the next shot.

spencercarlos
09-17-2006, 11:26 PM
I looked at the US OPEN final and its clear Roddick isn't all that great with low volleys. Roddick also just doesn't have that overall natural feel at the net. Its at the net where Amelie Mauresmo and Justine Henin Hardenne are the best volleyer in all of tennis. Tracy Austin is correct no man or woman volleys better then Amelie. She has so much instinct when she slices the ball and charges into the net no one can pass her. She also covers all sides of the net well and low volleys too. Both women have so much talent and natural feel for the ball.
Amelie has the best volley on the womens game, but she does not volley better than Federer :rolleyes:

name_change
09-17-2006, 11:33 PM
more power, more dippers as mentioned already.

zesty_dorito
09-18-2006, 01:01 AM
I think women's tennis is so different from men's tennis that you can't directly compare them both. Women's tennis has a slower pace and less spin, so it's a lot more easier for net play. Men's tennis is faster than ever, and the players are still managing to have more time to rip that down-the-line (or crosscourt) passing shots and even accurate lobs. So yes of course, women volley more, but even now there are fewer serve-and-volleyers in both tennis games.

Mistaflava
09-18-2006, 01:08 AM
women's tennis is a joke...end of story. It should be canned along with doubles tennis.

hammett
09-18-2006, 02:12 AM
Federer's net play has slowly deteriorated as he has gone away from the S/V game and even throughout this year. His volleying during the summer hardcourt season was quite poor and that includes the US OPen.

Do you have the 'points won/lost at the net' stat of Fed at USO? I think it must be around 50%. Lots of times I've seen him there it was either a passing or a low ball practically imposible to reach by any of the best volleyer in history.
IMO it wasnt mostly bad volleying but more of a mix of bad decisions approachig the net trying desperately to shorten points and good shots by the opponents. But you are right Federer's volley is not what used to be. :scratch: I don't remember when did he exactly stop doing S/V. Was it before or after he started to dominate? :scratch:

TennisAgenda
09-18-2006, 02:15 AM
The women hit the ball pretty hard as well. I am sure the women hit the ball close to as hard as the men do.

LCeh
09-18-2006, 02:18 AM
I don't remember when did he exactly stop doing S/V. Was it before or after he started to dominate? :scratch:

Before his domination. I am not quite sure if there was a turning match or what, but he probably stopped s/ving after losing to Nalbandian again in USO 03.

The women hit the ball pretty hard as well. I am sure the women hit the ball close to as hard as the men do.

Are you kidding me? They don't.

Corey Feldman
09-18-2006, 02:34 AM
like most have said...The women dont go to the net facing 80-90 MPH top spun passing shots/returns down at their feet..
and that is with the game slowed down over the last few years.

just goes to show how awesome Sampras, Becker and Edberg were.. but they had serves to help them get an easier volley, and not many slice the ball and get in anymore.

masters of the low volley, fed's technique is so similiar to Pete's but the main reason to me why he doesnt do it is simply because he can dominate from the baseline, he can use a Serve + volley as a changeup tactic when he feels like it.

PamV
09-18-2006, 04:13 AM
Women's tennis is boring. I have no idea why they have to imitate the men's game.

The style of staying at the baseline and just hitting as hard as possible is very boring. Not all of them play that way. Henin-Hardene, Mauresmo, Hingis, play with variety.

hammett
09-18-2006, 05:30 AM
Before his domination. I am not quite sure if there was a turning match or what, but he probably stopped s/ving after losing to Nalbandian again in USO 03.

Thank you. I also remember Blake as a former S/V'er 5 or 6 years ago(is that right?) and he was nowhere near good as he has been the last 2.

Rogiman
09-18-2006, 07:09 AM
The ATP practically killed S&V by slowing down courts and using heavier balls, and now we're stuck with baseline ballbashing.

Mistaflava
09-18-2006, 07:32 AM
The women hit the ball pretty hard as well. I am sure the women hit the ball close to as hard as the men do.


yes you're right. Only the ones with a penis between their legs.

leng jai
09-18-2006, 07:45 AM
Women can come close to men in power, but not consistently. The biggest difference is their movement and defense. Half the time I'm watching women's tennis and I'm like "WTF how was that a winner...shes just like a metre away from it??"

TennisAgenda
09-18-2006, 07:48 AM
The athleticism in women's tennis has improved a great deal even within this decade. Martina Hingis said that when she wanted to comeback to the WTA she knew she had to get into peak physical condition. All the commentators always say that unlike some the men Hingis has excellent volleys and anticipation.

deliveryman
09-18-2006, 08:22 AM
i've always wondered how many games mauresmo would win off of federer in a serious 3 set match... i'm guessing 3-4, maybe 5.

see how well she volleys then ;)

nanoman
09-18-2006, 08:53 AM
i've always wondered how many games mauresmo would win off of federer in a serious 3 set match... i'm guessing 3-4, maybe 5.

see how well she volleys then ;)

None. and I am dead serious. Federer might make an unforced here and there. But there is no way Mauresmo can set up a point. Federer's defence is too good for that. You can also replace Federer with Nadal for that matter.

its.like.that
09-18-2006, 09:24 AM
lmao

now this is the type of shite that should be deleted.

connectolove
09-18-2006, 12:23 PM
Agree. Men's tennis is more about power, women play better and more beautiful tennis.

feuselino
09-18-2006, 02:28 PM
I don't know... whenever I am bored enough to watch women tennis I always think to myself why on earth are all of them just hiting the ball as hard as they can, they never diversify and never approach the net... then, when someone finally tried to hit a volley, I thik "Oh, that's why they never approach the net!"

There are exceptions of course, but 95% of the women do not know how to hit a decent volley and only try to hit the ball as hard as they can (in my unworthy opinion)

It is not much different with the men, though, at lest when it comes to volleying... but as it was already mentioned, it has become increasingly difficult to do that in today's game. You'd need a volley game similar to Edberg, and, sorry, but his volley game is unreachable - best-volley-ever! :)

Not even Federer reaches that level... he is, in my opinion, the best volley player in the game today - besides Henman...

Hendu
09-18-2006, 02:44 PM
Agree. Men's tennis is more about power, women play better and more beautiful tennis.

:confused:

Women are better and more beautiful... sure. Playing tennis, no señor.

Mistaflava
09-18-2006, 03:23 PM
Women should only be playing tennis with their tops off....well only some of them

gulzhan
09-18-2006, 03:49 PM
Women's tennis is boring. I have no idea why they have to imitate the men's game.

I thought this thread was a joke! :confused: No S&V for both men and women nowdays.

But since it's serious and broader than the title says.... Hard to seriously watch women play after you watch lots of ATP matches :D BUT the situation in the end of the year is comical-- absolutely nothing interesting at Shanghai-- THAT will be a super-boring tournament! :haha:

The final tournament for women is gonna be super-intriguing! Will Henin-Hardenne recover after the US Open and FedCup defeats? Will Mauresmo once again be able to manage her nerves? Will Kuznetzova stop acting dumb? Is Sharapova finally a queen?

The game might be of much lesser quality but the matches will be totally unpredictable and thus interesting! And that is what matters the most in sports! :cool:

Fed killed your ATP, guys! :help: Nothing could prevent me from sleeping by the beginning of the fourth set at US Open final :zzz: No matter how great ATP quatrs and semis are, the FINAL IS ALWAYS BORING!!!!! :devil:

HybridTheory
09-18-2006, 03:52 PM
Women should only be playing tennis with their tops off....well only some of them

:rolleyes:

Womens tennis is different to mens tennis, it's not as powerfull, whatever, you don't HAVE to watch it :confused:

stebs
09-18-2006, 04:01 PM
Because of ball trajectory and shots dipping a lot more when the appropriate spin is put on it is extremely hard to make any sort of volley other than a drop volley.

ExpectedWinner
09-18-2006, 06:03 PM
Do you have the 'points won/lost at the net' stat of Fed at USO?


against Wang- 19 of 25= 76%

against Henman- 16 of 20= 80%

against Spadea - 22 of 26= 85%

against Gisquel- 31 of 39=79%

against Blake- 16 0f 29= 55%

against Davydenko- 16 of 28= 57%

against Roddick - 26 of 38=68%

Black Adam
09-18-2006, 06:30 PM
Women's tennis and women's Wrestling are the same for me. I ain't macho but i kinda prefer watching men do it;)

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-18-2006, 07:37 PM
Womans tennis is just a tits and ass show.

I have seen juniors play far better tennis than the WTA.

Now the ugly feminists will try and argue with me. Go burn your bras and then get in the kitchen.

TheBoiledEgg
09-18-2006, 07:45 PM
I think Martina Navratilova is the best volleyer ever, men or women. Sampras is a good second.

Stefan Edberg was the best ever :worship:

TennisAgenda
09-18-2006, 08:03 PM
No even John McEnroe says Martina Navratilova is the best volleyer of all time.

World Beater
09-18-2006, 08:53 PM
No even John McEnroe says Martina Navratilova is the best volleyer of all time.

johnny mac also said fed is a choker and will only win 10 slams.

HybridTheory
09-18-2006, 09:13 PM
The final tournament for women is gonna be super-intriguing! Will Henin-Hardenne recover after the US Open and FedCup defeats? Will Mauresmo once again be able to manage her nerves? Will Kuznetzova stop acting dumb? Is Sharapova finally a queen?



acting dumb? in what ?

gulzhan
09-19-2006, 01:11 AM
acting dumb? in what ?

Rushing at the decisive balls. Cleaning lines when needs to rally easily. She would be No.1 if she were smarter. :)

HybridTheory
09-19-2006, 10:26 AM
Rushing at the decisive balls. Cleaning lines when needs to rally easily. She would be No.1 if she were smarter. :)

rrrright ..
well at some point I agree with you, she's hitting way too hard when she doesn't need to and than she makes lots of mistakes, but imo that has nothing to do with being dumb

gulzhan
09-19-2006, 11:49 AM
rrrright ..
but imo that has nothing to do with being dumb

Sorry! :angel: Just want her to win more often! ;) I call her "Safin in skirt" and... I LOVE MARAT! :D

HybridTheory
09-19-2006, 01:36 PM
Sorry! :angel: Just want her to win more often! ;) I call her "Safin in skirt" and... I LOVE MARAT! :D

there's nothing to say sorry for! ;) I want her to win more often too :lol: and she WILL be number 1 :angel:

Experimentee
09-19-2006, 01:57 PM
Henin and Mauresmo are overrated as volleyers. They tend to miss a lot and most of the time the passing shots arent that great when they make volleys. I'd rate Federer, Ancic, Henman, Hewitt, and a lot more men ahead of them. I'm a fan of womens tennis too.

BORO77
09-20-2006, 04:44 PM
For me womens tennis is not a sport and i dont understand why they get all that $$$ for. I dont know who pays to watch womens tennis?
i like to watch only ana ivanovic and maria kirilenko, it is also nice when they play doubles together :D

There were many great volley players in the past, today ancic is one of the best for me, henman, mirnyi, bjrokman of course...

star
09-20-2006, 11:08 PM
I think Martina Navratilova is the best volleyer ever, men or women. Sampras is a good second.

How can you leave Edberg and McEnroe out of that ranking? You cannot be serious. Edberg, McEnroe AND Rafter were all better vollyers than Sampras. Becker also.

And that leaves out all those Laver era Aussies and other great wooden racket players.

Pigpen Stinks
09-20-2006, 11:25 PM
How can you leave Edberg and McEnroe out of that ranking? You cannot be serious. Edberg, McEnroe AND Rafter were all better vollyers than Sampras. Becker also.

And that leaves out all those Laver era Aussies and other great wooden racket players.

I agree with you, star. And I'd add Cash to that list as well.

disturb3d
09-21-2006, 04:43 AM
For me womens tennis is not a sport and i dont understand why they get all that $$$ for. I dont know who pays to watch womens tennis?
i like to watch only ana ivanovic and maria kirilenko, it is also nice when they play doubles together :D

There were many great volley players in the past, today ancic is one of the best for me, henman, mirnyi, bjrokman of course...Ancic can't volley for shit.

gulzhan
09-21-2006, 05:37 AM
For me womens tennis is not a sport and i dont understand why they get all that $$$ for. I dont know who pays to watch womens tennis?

i like to watch only ana ivanovic and maria kirilenko, it is also nice when they play doubles together :D



I don't know who pays to watch Fed's finals of ATP? :haha: Other than RG, maybe... Those who love art? :haha:

Oh, and I LOVE to watch Feliciano Lopez and Gilles Simon! :haha: :haha: Too bad they don't play doubles together, yet... ;)

BORO77
09-21-2006, 10:26 AM
Ancic can't volley for shit.


maybe you dont like ancic but this is a stupid statement cause he is one
of the best for sure. i dont know how many of his matches you have seen?

disturb3d
09-21-2006, 11:09 AM
maybe you dont like ancic but this is a stupid statement cause he is one
of the best for sure. i dont know how many of his matches you have seen?Why is he one of the best?
The only reason he is succesful at the net is because of his serve and wingspan.
If he's not serving well, he simply won't venture to the net.
His aproach shots have way too much follow through to allow him a sprint into the net. And once there, his reflexes are some of the worst in tennis.

He takes the bh volley too far in front of his body, slicing or dumping it into the net. The polar opposite of Fed & Mirnyi (today's best) who hit a crisp and spinless volley.