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Has the TMC surface changed to Rebound Ace??...[~_^]

CmonAussie
09-15-2006, 06:36 AM
:wavey: :cool:
I read somewhere that the surface being used for the TMC in Shanghai this year has changed to Rebound Ace....can anyone confirm or discount this for me :confused:

Jaffas85
09-15-2006, 06:41 AM
There was an article posted on this board a couple of months ago that said it would be like the Australian Open surface so the TMC didn't especially favour fast court specialist players or the clay court specialist players but would be a 'middle ground surface' of sorts.

You could always go back throughout this site's history to dredge up that article I guess or go to the official website to see what info they have.

CmonAussie
09-15-2006, 06:46 AM
There was an article posted on this board a couple of months ago that said it would be like the Australian Open surface so the TMC didn't especially favour fast court specialist players or the clay court specialist players but would be a 'middle ground surface' of sorts.

You could always go back throughout this site's history to dredge up that article I guess or go to the official website to see what info they have.
:wavey:
Thanks mate.... :cool: . I went to the official TMC site but all the English pages failed to talk about the surface :( . I`m sure they mention it on the Chinese site but unfortunately I can`t read that one :sad: .
#Anyway from what you wrote it seems to confirm what I read elswhere ;)

DrJules
09-15-2006, 06:50 AM
In reality the surface was not that fast last year. There were numerous service breaks which is not characteristic of fast surfaces.

However, being indoors conditions will be faster than AO.

Jaffas85
09-15-2006, 06:54 AM
Baghdatis still has a chance of making the TMC right?

he just needs to perform slightly better than Blake in Madrid, Paris and in whatever other tournaments occur leading up to Paris Masters.

I think Baghdatis being in the TMC would be more interesting than Blake.... Well I'm a fan of his ridiculousness so I'm kinda being bias.

BTW, It's a shame that Murray and Gasquet don't have a chance of the TMC as they've played quite well recently and are enjoyable to watch.

CmonAussie
09-15-2006, 07:05 AM
Baghdatis still has a chance of making the TMC right?

he just needs to perform slightly better than Blake in Madrid, Paris and in whatever other tournaments occur leading up to Paris Masters.

I think Baghdatis being in the TMC would be more interesting than Blake.... Well I'm a fan of his ridiculousness so I'm kinda being bias.

BTW, It's a shame that Murray and Gasquet don't have a chance of the TMC as they've played quite well recently and are enjoyable to watch.
:cool:
TMC lineup will likely be...
1.Federer
2.Nadal
3.Roddick
4.Ljubacic
5.Davydenko
6.Nalbandian
7.Robredo
8.Blake or Baggy
;)
...Outside chance: Stepanik, Ancic, Gonzalez, Hewitt :devil:

Jaffas85
09-15-2006, 07:09 AM
:cool:
TMC lineup will likely be...
1.Federer
2.Nadal
3.Roddick
4.Ljubacic
5.Davydenko
6.Nalbandian
7.Robredo
8.Blake or Baggy
;)
...Outside chance: Stepanik, Ancic, Gonzalez, Hewitt :devil:

Half of those players look boring and I wouldn't be particularily excited about their results *excepting the top 3*.

We need Baghdatis at the TMC! T.V. ratings would prolly be a bit higher if he makes it.

And I don't think Hewitt has any chance of making the TMC.

CmonAussie
09-15-2006, 07:13 AM
Half of those players look boring and I would be particularily excited about their results *excepting the top 3*.

We need Baghdatis at the TMC! T.V. ratings would prolly be a bit higher if he makes it.

And I don't think Hewitt has any chance of making the TMC.
:p
Hewitt has a reasonable chance if he plays Madrid & Paris TMS events. The last few years he`s mostly skipped the indoor season but hopefully he won`t this year. Currently he`s 15th on the Champions Race & he needs approx another 90-points to get in. So if he made a couple of SF or a F that might do it for him ;) /
.
Sorry fogot to mention that Haas has a good shot a qualifying too.

Jaffas85
09-15-2006, 07:16 AM
How about if Gasquet wins both Madrid and Paris? Would he then have a chance?

That does seem bloody unlikely though, still, is it possible?

CmonAussie
09-15-2006, 07:21 AM
How about if Gasquet wins both Madrid and Paris? Would he then have a chance?

That does seem bloody unlikely though, still, is it possible?
:eek:
YES...if Gasquet pulls that off then he`s more than a chance-->> he`d probably qualify 6th or 7th :angel:

CmonAussie
09-15-2006, 07:23 AM
PS. Safin managed to win both indoor TMS events back-to-back in 2004,~so I guess Gasquet could do it#*#`#*...Assuming Federer doesn`t show up!!!

Jaffas85
09-15-2006, 07:25 AM
The ATP should really move the TMC about 2 weeks back in the year so that more players are inclined to play the Paris Masters thus, if that were the case and the #1 and #2 players played there last year I doubt Berdych would have won.

If someone wins a masters series title it should be because they beat the best players in the world on their way to the title not because there was a depleted field and they were one of the few good ones in the draw.

Halba
09-15-2006, 10:36 AM
gasquet :worship:

scarecrows
09-15-2006, 10:43 AM
I hope Robredo doesnt make it

Jimnik
09-15-2006, 10:45 AM
Half of those players look boring and I wouldn't be particularily excited about their results *excepting the top 3*.

We need Baghdatis at the TMC! T.V. ratings would prolly be a bit higher if he makes it.
I doubt it. Cyprus has a population of less than a million, so Baghdatis would produce a couple hundred thousand extra viewers at most. The TMC needs American, German and British players to qualify. I guarantee that if Murray qualifies, the TV ratings will be a lot higher than if Baghdatis qualifies. TV ratings are influenced more by nationality than by "exciting" players.

pistolmarat
09-15-2006, 11:26 AM
I guess we all hope that Robredo won't make it;)

PamV
09-15-2006, 12:26 PM
:wavey: :cool:
I read somewhere that the surface being used for the TMC in Shanghai this year has changed to Rebound Ace....can anyone confirm or discount this for me :confused:

Last year they said the surface was something new called Goreflex. Remember that there were complaints that it was rather sticky and would make players fall. Now this year on the ATP site they are calling the surface Taraflex. It's obviously some kind of hardcourt with a coating.

nobama
09-15-2006, 01:52 PM
Last year they said the surface was something new called Goreflex. Remember that there were complaints that it was rather sticky and would make players fall. Now this year on the ATP site they are calling the surface Taraflex. It's obviously some kind of hardcourt with a coating.I think taraflex is vinyl.

Pical
09-15-2006, 02:19 PM
I think the surface is not the only thing that needs to be change at the TMC..Will the hawk-eye system be implemented in Shanghai as well? After last year's infamous tie-break calls against Nalbandian in the final, I think this is a must..

Black Adam
09-15-2006, 03:48 PM
If it's Rebound Ace then Nadal can give us a preview of AO;)

hitchhiker
09-15-2006, 04:01 PM
no wonder ljubicic is trying his hardest no to qualify lately

sanpo
09-15-2006, 07:20 PM
Robredo's a bore, sorry for all his fan.

I'd prefer Gasquet, Hewitt or Baggy qualifying more than Robredo though chances are slim :sad:

DrJules
09-15-2006, 08:17 PM
On the ATP site it says Taraflex:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/605.asp

Does anyone know if this is up to date?

What is the bounce (low/high) and speed (fast/slow) of Taraflex?

CmonAussie
09-19-2006, 05:46 AM
Last year they said the surface was something new called Goreflex. Remember that there were complaints that it was rather sticky and would make players fall. Now this year on the ATP site they are calling the surface Taraflex. It's obviously some kind of hardcourt with a coating.
:wavey:
Thanks PamV mate :cool: ..TARAFLEX :confused: sounds as synthetic as it gets ;) ...I wonder if Taraflex will be as slow as Rebound Ace :) ...if so it would make the matches a lot more interesting! I also think they should change the court colour at TMC :p (green would be better) & open the roof~ afterall it cost them over $100+ million to make that fancy sliding roof so they may as well make it outdoors :angel: unless it`s raining...

leng jai
09-19-2006, 07:37 AM
Somehow I doubt that Haas will make it since he never seems to do well at TMS tournaments.

fyi
09-19-2006, 08:19 AM
According to ITFtennis , teraflex is carpet type textile or polymeric.
The speed of teraflex is under category2- medium/medium fast. :D
(category1= slow, category3 = fast)

Hope the info here will help:
http://www.itftennis.com/technical/equipment/courts/courtlist.asp

alfonsojose
09-19-2006, 03:15 PM
I want fast courts :D

TheBoiledEgg
09-19-2006, 07:02 PM
I want fast courts :D

we wont see the likes of lightening fast courts ever again :( except when Belarus play DC at home :devil:

anyway most of the current crop of players have little idea of what to do on that anyway :tape:

DrJules
09-19-2006, 07:31 PM
According to ITFtennis , teraflex is carpet type textile or polymeric.
The speed of teraflex is under category2- medium/medium fast. :D
(category1= slow, category3 = fast)

Hope the info here will help:
http://www.itftennis.com/technical/equipment/courts/courtlist.asp

Very interesting.

It seems Rebound Ace is also 2 like teraflex. It seems that they have adopted a neutral surface which favours neither players who like fast courts (3) and those who like slow courts (1).

Pfloyd
09-19-2006, 08:30 PM
This was a good decision, that carpet court last year was extrmley unfair for all the qualifiers. A neutral speed court would allow both clay court players, and fast court players to have somewhat of a neutral chance (I still belive fast court players have a bit of an Advantage, just because hard courts lack certain properties that make clay courters play well, namley the sliding, and sometimes, the bounve of the ball. Of course, rebound ace is still the fairest surface, and the hard court player advantage is not so bad).

PamV
09-19-2006, 11:21 PM
:wavey:
Thanks PamV mate :cool: ..TARAFLEX :confused: sounds as synthetic as it gets ;) ...I wonder if Taraflex will be as slow as Rebound Ace :) ...if so it would make the matches a lot more interesting! I also think they should change the court colour at TMC :p (green would be better) & open the roof~ afterall it cost them over $100+ million to make that fancy sliding roof so they may as well make it outdoors :angel: unless it`s raining...

I still wonder if the TARAFLEX is a change from last year. Last it was also a synthetic sounding name like Goreflex.....and all the players complained about it making them fall. It was something not used any where else.

Maybe the TARAFLEX is supposed to be an improvement.

Action Jackson
09-19-2006, 11:23 PM
we wont see the likes of lightening fast courts ever again :( except when Belarus play DC at home :devil:

anyway most of the current crop of players have little idea of what to do on that anyway :tape:

Come December in Moscow, where the Russians will be playing tennis on ice :devil:

ExpectedWinner
09-20-2006, 01:56 PM
This was a good decision, that carpet court last year was extrmley unfair for all the qualifiers. A neutral speed court would allow both clay court players, and fast court players to have somewhat of a neutral chance (I still belive fast court players have a bit of an Advantage, just because hard courts lack certain properties that make clay courters play well, namley the sliding, and sometimes, the bounve of the ball. Of course, rebound ace is still the fairest surface, and the hard court player advantage is not so bad).


What clay courters are you talking about. All current top 10 players has had excellent/good results on fast surfaces and should be able to adopt to any hc.

CmonAussie
09-21-2006, 12:42 AM
What clay courters are you talking about. All current top 10 players has had excellent/good results on fast surfaces and should be able to adopt to any hc.
:wavey:
Yeah there`s a fair difference between last year`s Top-10 & this year`s Top-10 :cool: ...Last year they had guys like Coria & Gaudio making up the numbers-->making it a mismatch with the fast-court players..
This year even Davydenko has improved greatly on the fast-surfaces so it should make for a better quality of tennis ;)