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Connors: "There are three men in the mix now."

bluefork
09-13-2006, 01:36 PM
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/11/SPGTVL36MR1.DTL

09-11) 04:00 PDT New York -- Seldom has a two-week period brought such rich perspective to the sport of tennis. The U.S. Open began with Billie Jean King's name attached to the National Tennis Center and moved quickly to the Andre Agassi saga. For a pleasant spell on Sunday, Martina Navratilova was given a heartfelt farewell in Arthur Ashe Stadium.

So much for the past and the last vestiges of glory. Roger Federer's performance in the men's final was an earth-shaking testament to contemporary brilliance. His 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1 dismissal of Andy Roddick, crafted in swirling winds under a gloomy overcast, carried that frightening element only the greatest performances convey.

For the better part of an hour, Roddick was competing on even terms. Suddenly, Federer was vulnerable. And then Roddick was gone, merely a little poof of dust in Federer's wake. It's one thing to have the great Jimmy Connors on your side, looming in a courtside box for inspiration. It's another to take on history. There is a growing suspicion that Roddick's conqueror is the greatest player of all time.

It will take Federer's retirement to yield a proper judgment, but consider this: When measuring Federer against the legends, forget that "Open era" distinction (1968 on) so common to the debates. No man ever pulled off the Wimbledon-U.S. Open double three times in a row -- not Bill Tilden, not Don Budge, not Rod Laver. To do it once is the accomplishment of a lifetime. Three times is just plain ridiculous, and that's where Federer stands alone. (Helen Wills was the only woman to do so, from 1927 through '29.)

Maybe that's why Tiger Woods became such an animated spectator as Federer, ever in character, sensed the kill and steamrolled to his ninth major championship. Sitting in the first row of Federer's box, Woods had been supremely cool all day, just a guy in jeans and a simple white shirt, cap on backward, not particularly noticeable. But now he was applauding, earnestly, with the occasional "Come on, Rog." These two guys barely know each other, but they share things even brothers wouldn't understand.

Linked in the corporate world by Nike and the International Management Group, Federer and Woods were going to be featured together, eventually, whether they liked it or not. But as Federer said, "It was great. This was the first time we've really had a chance to chat. It's funny how he knows exactly how I feel on the court. A guy who feels invincible at times, sensing that nothing can go wrong anymore. Like Tiger in the final round, I guess."

There certainly was much to admire in Roddick's display, in its way, among the best of his career. Reeling from a first set that left even the most ardent Federer watchers in awe, Roddick responded with his newfound confidence and was dead even at 5-5 in the third set. But after a routine hold by Federer, everything changed. Roddick opened his service game with a shanked forehand into the net, and soon it was 0-40, the entire afternoon hanging in the balance.

Roddick managed an ace for 15-40, then uncorked a titanic serve that forced Federer into a desperate, lunging backhand. Somehow he floated it back. Roddick smoked a forehand down the line. Federer answered with a delicately sliced backhand, and when Roddick netted his backhand volley, the set was gone -- along with the drama. Federer's punishing blitz to the title was stunning to behold.

"For a while, there wasn't much between us," Roddick said. "I was right there with him, you know? I'm disappointed, but I'm also proud of the two weeks I had here. I can't wait to spend the off-season working with Jimmy (Connors) for an extended period of time."

Connors couldn't be more ready. He was almost defiant in the players' lounge afterward, especially when he overheard Roddick say in the interview room, "I just want to keep doing it. If I lose to Roger in eight Grand Slam finals, that's fine."

"No!" Connors said. "That's B.S., and you can quote me. Andy's a gentleman to say that, but there are three men in the mix now, make no mistake. I want to give Andy the attitude where he doesn't care who he plays. He's going to be winning Grand Slam titles in a year or two, and hang on for the ride! I hope you enjoy it as much as I'm going to."

Hey, if you say so, Jimmy. For heaven's sake, Roddick was a lost soul just six weeks ago. Now he looks like No. 2 in the world, or at least someone ready to face any player on even terms.

Reporters were eager to get Woods' take on things, and he spoke very briefly as he hastily left the building. "Roger is awesome at what he does," said Tiger, smiling. "He gets it done."

"With his mind, too?" someone asked.

"Of course."

Federer, meanwhile, has a secret plan. "I'm going to show up at every Grand Slam Tiger plays and get him back," he said, trying to keep a straight face. "Just when he's about to win, 18th green, I'll be standing there."

As opposed to lying flat on his back, which was Federer's posture after this comprehensive victory. Only Bjorn Borg earned his ninth major quicker than Federer (22 Grand Slams to 30), who broke out of his tie with Connors, Andre Agassi, Ivan Lendl, Fred Perry and Ken Rosewall on the all-time list. Federer became the first man to win three straight U.S. Opens since Lendl in 1987, and he also produced 69 winners against only 19 unforced errors, an amazing ratio.

So what was it like, lying there in the middle of the court? "A great moment, once again," Federer said. "I deserved to lie down (laughter). It felt great, you know, just lying on the floor alone. It was good. Very comfortable. Thank God I didn't injure myself."

It seems that on top of everything else, the once-stoic Federer is becoming a pleasure in the interview room, as well. He seems more comfortable with himself than ever before, a man in search of levity. The evolution of this champion is something very close to perfection.


Is Andy really in the mix with Nadal and Federer now, or is it too early to say that?

Action Jackson
09-13-2006, 01:40 PM
What do you expect Connors to say? Doesn't mean we have to believe it.

zicofirol
09-13-2006, 01:41 PM
What do you expect Connors to say? Doesn't mean we have to believe it.

^^^

I cant wait for the MC, where we should have a good lineup, If Roddick gets a tough group I dont think he gets out of the first round.

bluefork
09-13-2006, 01:42 PM
What do you expect Connors to say? Doesn't mean we have to believe it.

He shouldn't say anything so outrageous if he doesn't believe it. Otherwise, he's just setting himself and his charge up for failure and embarrassment.

Purple Rainbow
09-13-2006, 01:44 PM
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/11/SPGTVL36MR1.DTL




Is Andy really in the mix with Nadal and Federer now, or is it too early to say that?

2 good tournaments could be an indication that Andy is back in the mix. Hell, if Andy keeps playing like he did at the Open, he's definitely going to be the world #3 quickly. But for Andy to be number 1, he'll have to get as good results on clay as Nadal gets on hardcourt.

bluefork
09-13-2006, 01:49 PM
2 good tournaments could be an indication that Andy is back in the mix. Hell, if Andy keeps playing like he did at the Open, he's definitely going to be the world #3 quickly. But for Andy to be number 1, he'll have to get as good results on clay as Nadal gets on hardcourt.

Right. He's definitely back in the mix with the guys trying to catch up with Nadal and Federer, but the question is, should be be considered in the mix with Nadal and Federer?

Roddick did well in the United States this summer, but when he has to play in Europe this fall where he isn't as comfortable and the crowds won't be so behind him, it will be interesting to see how he does.

bokehlicious
09-13-2006, 01:56 PM
Spot-on Jimbo. Andy will soon turn the h-h vs Roger into 15-11 and get back where he belongs. :rocker2: :lol:

s.m.
09-13-2006, 01:56 PM
blah blah blah

Action Jackson
09-13-2006, 01:57 PM
^^^

I cant wait for the MC, where we should have a good lineup, If Roddick gets a tough group I dont think he gets out of the first round.

We'll see soon enough, but bulls have more chance of giving milk than Roddick has of becoming #1 again.

Hendu
09-13-2006, 02:00 PM
We'll see soon enough, but bulls have more chance of giving milk than Roddick has of becoming #1 again.

bulls milk?

whats going on with you GWH?

;)

markom
09-13-2006, 02:18 PM
Right. He's definitely back in the mix with the guys trying to catch up with Nadal and Federer, but the question is, should be be considered in the mix with Nadal and Federer?

Roddick did well in the United States this summer, but when he has to play in Europe this fall where he isn't as comfortable and the crowds won't be so behind him, it will be interesting to see how he does.

as usually (there is no tampering with the draw in his favour there) :)

the moment his score with top 10 guys is at least 50% i will say he`s come back and i am waiting for such victory still.

guille&tati4life
09-13-2006, 02:22 PM
Roddick is not going to challenge Federer and Nadal, no

PamV
09-13-2006, 02:26 PM
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/11/SPGTVL36MR1.DTL




Is Andy really in the mix with Nadal and Federer now, or is it too early to say that?

I think he's in the mix if he keeps playing like he did in the USOpen. He's way better than Nadal on hardcourt and grass.

NYCtennisfan
09-13-2006, 02:28 PM
You could really tell the difference between the two press conferences i.e. after Roddick lost to Federer in 2005 at Wimbledon and this one. After the Wimbledon one, Roddick was going on and on about Federer, but not so much today. Connors wants to instill in him the same dogged determination that allowed Connors to overtake a younger and far superior talent in John McEnroe in the 1982 season. Doesn't means it's going to happen, but Connors wants to change Roddick's attitude about the whole thing.

PamV
09-13-2006, 02:28 PM
Roddick is not going to challenge Federer and Nadal, no


Roddick would challenge and probably beat Nadal on hardcourt and grass. Of course he won't challenge him on clay.

PamV
09-13-2006, 02:30 PM
You could really tell the difference between the two press conferences i.e. after Roddick lost to Federer in 2005 at Wimbledon and this one. After the Wimbledon one, Roddick was going on and on about Federer, but not so much today. Connors wants to instill in him the same dogged determination that allowed Connors to overtake a younger and far superior talent in John McEnroe in the 1982 season. Doesn't means it's going to happen, but Connors wants to change Roddick's attitude about the whole thing.

Right, that only makes common sense. He doesn't want his protegé saying it's alright with him to always be a finalist. Champions use all kinds of techniques. I read that McEnroe used to convince himself he absolutely hated his opponent in order to get pumped up.

guille&tati4life
09-13-2006, 02:33 PM
Roddick would challenge and probably beat Nadal on hardcourt and grass. Of course he won't challenge him on clay.

well, i more meant he won't be winning tournaments on any surface regularly if the top players are playing.

On grass, yeah, he would beat Nadal, but not Federer
On hard, maybe beat Nadal but not Federer and others like Nalby and Ljubicic may challenge him
On clay he would beat no-one really :lol:

feuselino
09-13-2006, 02:42 PM
I think it's lunatic to believe Roddick to be in the mix with Roger only because of two tournaments... consistency is the key word... but of course, Connors knows why he said what he said... a true champion must have a mindset like that, otherwise he wouldn't succeed.

BTW, has it been pointed out already that after Roddick anounced how much fun he is having playing Federer at 5-5 in the third set that he only made one more game afterwards? Federer nor Nadal would never say anything like that during a GS final. Makes Roddick a very likeable character, if you ask me, but with that kind of attitude he will never challenge the top two guys...

Another good reaction is Roddick's reaction to the amazing passing shot by Federer some years ago in Basel (I think) - it is somewhere on youtube. Again, very nice reaction of Andy, I thought, but he just doesn't have the mindset of a true number one... maybe Connors will change that, though... we will see! :)

TennisAgenda
09-13-2006, 03:06 PM
We will have to see but truth but told does anyone really believe Ljubicic is no.3 in the world or that Nalandian is no.4? Those two vanished after the French Open this year with very poor results. The problem for Roddick is he tends to do poor in Europe and on the clay courts. This is where a lot of points can be made. But to compare Roddick to Nadal and Federer is ludicrous and just not fair. Federer and Nadal have been consistent week in and week out. We will see with Roddick.

jmp
09-13-2006, 04:27 PM
Thank you for posting this article, bluefork. I was very interested in Jimmy's take on the final and Andy's immediate future among the elite players. While the quote in the article was very gung ho, I look forward to learning Jimmy's specific thoughts in a few years. The strategic, tactical, and mental aspects of this game are fascinating.

Unfortunately I was unable to see the final live and I was too impatient to wait until I viewed my grainy tape for the outcome. While I was watching the tape it struck me that Andy played extremely well in the third set. With his hunger, desire, improved attitude, and improved execution he may very well be in the mix. That remains to be seen.

Right now I believe that, barring injury, the numbers 1 and 2 will hold their positions. I suspect that Rafa has been dealing with some physical issues throughout the hard court season. I also think that the 19 to 21-year-olds may finally break through in the next 18 months. Three through 10 are still wide open. Andy can't afford to dismiss the rest of the field.

Deboogle!.
09-13-2006, 04:37 PM
I think it's lunatic to believe Roddick to be in the mix with Roger only because of two tournaments... consistency is the key word... but of course, Connors knows why he said what he said... a true champion must have a mindset like that, otherwise he wouldn't succeed.I think it's lunatic to believe that his new coach WOULDN'T believe he could be in the mix :wavey:

Who would hire someone who wasn't confident in their abilities? that's just common sense. Maybe Jimmy's wrong, maybe he's not. We can all agree or disagree. But what else could Jimmy have said really? "I just took on this job but I don't think he can get back up to the top"????? If he had said that, I'd hope Andy would fire his ass, because no one wants someone on their team who is not 100% in their corner and supportive.BTW, has it been pointed out already that after Roddick anounced how much fun he is having playing Federer at 5-5 in the third set that he only made one more game afterwards? Federer nor Nadal would never say anything like that during a GS final. Makes Roddick a very likeable character, if you ask me, but with that kind of attitude he will never challenge the top two guys...Didn't people say Kim was too nice and easy-going to have great success? She proved everyone wrong. I like that Andy was having fun, not many guys could say that. Why should Andy be like Fed or Nadal, he is who he is and if he wanted to tell Pmac he was having fun, I think it's great. I don't see anything wrong with enjoying being in a dogfight. I'd rather he enjoy it than get down on himself and panic, which is what he has done most of the past year and a half :shrug:Another good reaction is Roddick's reaction to the amazing passing shot by Federer some years ago in Basel (I think) - it is somewhere on youtube. Again, very nice reaction of Andy, I thought, but he just doesn't have the mindset of a true number one... maybe Connors will change that, though... we will see! :)Um, that was what, 4 years ago? :lol: Andy has respected and will always respect when his opponent hits a great shot. I would be sad if he stopped doing that, and I don't think he will. It is who he is and he shouldn't have to change because some people don't like it. I know Brad hated it when he would clap on his racquet for his opponents, but he never stopped.

So Andy's a jerk and is badly behaved on court, but he also is too nice and has too much fun on court and respects his opponents too much..... The dude just can't win lol.

Keep the hilarity coming!!!

Pea
09-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Oh Jimmy. You were always was for entertainment.

Preston
09-13-2006, 05:02 PM
There is no "3 men in the mix". There's only the ONE, and thats' Federer. The pecking order goes something like this:

Federer
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Nadal
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The rest of the Top 20, or whatever
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Everyone else

~*BGT*~
09-13-2006, 05:03 PM
I think it's lunatic to believe that his new coach WOULDN'T believe he could be in the mix :wavey:

Who would hire someone who wasn't confident in their abilities? that's just common sense. Maybe Jimmy's wrong, maybe he's not. We can all agree or disagree. But what else could Jimmy have said really? "I just took on this job but I don't think he can get back up to the top"????? If he had said that, I'd hope Andy would fire his ass, because no one wants someone on their team who is not 100% in their corner and supportive.Didn't people say Kim was too nice and easy-going to have great success? She proved everyone wrong. I like that Andy was having fun, not many guys could say that. Why should Andy be like Fed or Nadal, he is who he is and if he wanted to tell Pmac he was having fun, I think it's great. I don't see anything wrong with enjoying being in a dogfight. I'd rather he enjoy it than get down on himself and panic, which is what he has done most of the past year and a half :shrug:Um, that was what, 4 years ago? :lol: Andy has respected and will always respect when his opponent hits a great shot. I would be sad if he stopped doing that, and I don't think he will. It is who he is and he shouldn't have to change because some people don't like it. I know Brad hated it when he would clap on his racquet for his opponents, but he never stopped.

So Andy's a jerk and is badly behaved on court, but he also is too nice and has too much fun on court and respects his opponents too much..... The dude just can't win lol.

Keep the hilarity coming!!!

Please do. We enjoy it. :rocker2:

DrJules
09-13-2006, 06:21 PM
So Andy Roddick is "The Third Man" :lol: :lol: :lol:

rofe
09-13-2006, 06:40 PM
Hmmm, nobody brought up the gay porno threesome angle... :sad: ;)

morningglory
09-13-2006, 06:56 PM
and make it happen, Jimmy :armed: ur Andy's salvation

WF4EVER
09-13-2006, 09:00 PM
Jimmy's allowed to wish and hope, isn't he?

It's stupid to include Roddick as part of the 'three in the mix', if that's what Connors meant, and many of us suspect that he did. But based on what, Jimmy? The US hard court results? I'd expect better from Jimmy since he was a more versatile player than that and should know Roddick's consistency will determine his being 'in the mix' and not just the US HC season.

If Roddick's able to demonstrate his improvement throughout the rest of the season and to next season then he's a possible No. 3 but for now he's just a little bit too anxious, IMO, to make Andy No. 3.

LOL, Furthermore the ATP shouldn't even bother having a number 3. This should be like golf where your score basically determine the position you hold. Federer would be tied with himself at number 1 thru 100 (or God forbid more), then Nadal with his distance between him and No. 3, who'd be so far from Federer that you couldn't see him with binoculars..

Roddick isn't in any mix until he can contend (as others rightly pointed out) with the rest of the top 10, especially since he hasn't been beating those considered 'top players' recently.

simona21
09-13-2006, 09:28 PM
roddick is the third men...he can compite with fedrer and nadal...you all will see him rocks in 2007

roddick is a great player he was in the top 2003...so of course he is returning to where he belongs

Conita
09-13-2006, 09:40 PM
that's the attitude!
if ur own coach doesn't believe in you then u have no hope
roddick may or may not be in the mix, Connors can think what he likes, he's the coach. I think it's great that he's behind andy that strongly, it's obviously working, he's making Roddick believe in himself and that's why he's getting the results, he may not be in the mix right now but he's certainly aiming for it and i see no problem in that :P

scoobs
09-13-2006, 10:33 PM
Jimmy has the right attitude and in fairness in terms of major results Roddick is the third man at the moment.

Federer - 3 slam wins, 1 final, 3 TMS wins, 2 TMS finals

Nadal - 1 slam win, 1 final, 2 TMS wins

Roddick - 1 slam final, 1 TMS win

Baghdatis - 1 slam final.

Objectively speaking though it's too soon to say Roddick is "in the mix" - let's see how he can perform off the hardcourts of North America in the coming weeks. I think to be "in the mix" as the third man he needs to score a win over either Federer or Nadal first.

But still, he's definitely on the right track and if he keeps up the results he's been having he will wind up back at #3. He's going need to start facing and beating some top 10 opposition though.

Deboogle!.
09-13-2006, 10:43 PM
that's the attitude!
if ur own coach doesn't believe in you then u have no hope
roddick may or may not be in the mix, Connors can think what he likes, he's the coach. I think it's great that he's behind andy that strongly, it's obviously working, he's making Roddick believe in himself and that's why he's getting the results, he may not be in the mix right now but he's certainly aiming for it and i see no problem in that :PI completely agree:yeah: this is what I was trying to say above, but you said it much better than I did :)

I think it's also worth remembering that it's only been a couple months - essentially 3 tournaments. Something Andy himself said is worth keeping in mind.

Q. It's early still, but are you surprised at how quickly it's come together?
ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, yeah. Actually, I actually just asked Jimmy that. I said, "Did you think it would happen this quickly?" He said, "No, I was looking at Australia."
You know, but I'm not, you know for all my faults, I'm not scared to work. I never have been. So, uhm, you know, that's one of the positives. I was willing to kind of do my best to try to work through it and not kind of give up, I guess.

So clearly, they have a longer-term picture in mind and what happened this summer was a bit unexpected. I think it's fair to wait until early next season to really examine Andy's place, but it certainly appears as though he's heading in the right direction. Better this one than where he had been heading anyway :)

partygirl
09-13-2006, 10:46 PM
Jimmy = http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/happy100.gif

Sheek
09-13-2006, 11:35 PM
:rolleyes:

robinhood
09-14-2006, 12:46 AM
Jimmy has the right attitude and in fairness in terms of major results Roddick is the third man at the moment.

Federer - 3 slam wins, 1 final, 3 TMS wins, 2 TMS finals

Nadal - 1 slam win, 1 final, 2 TMS wins

Roddick - 1 slam final, 1 TMS win

Baghdatis - 1 slam final.

Objectively speaking though it's too soon to say Roddick is "in the mix" - let's see how he can perform off the hardcourts of North America in the coming weeks. I think to be "in the mix" as the third man he needs to score a win over either Federer or Nadal first.

But still, he's definitely on the right track and if he keeps up the results he's been having he will wind up back at #3. He's going need to start facing and beating some top 10 opposition though.

COMPLETELY AGREED.

El Legenda
09-14-2006, 12:47 AM
roddick sucks

Jlee
09-14-2006, 01:48 AM
Sig worthy :yeah:

Just Cause
09-14-2006, 02:17 AM
Andy in the mix..:D..Yes, maybe in nonslam/master level.

partygirl
09-14-2006, 02:55 AM
roddick sucks
You wish!http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/violent014.gif

robinhood
09-14-2006, 02:58 AM
You wish!http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/violent014.gif

:lol:

Mimi
09-14-2006, 03:20 AM
where did he say there are three men in the mix and how could you know he is referring to roger, nadal and roddick :confused:

RickDaStick
09-14-2006, 03:23 AM
sorry jimbo but roddick ain't in the mix for anything

bluefork
09-14-2006, 03:27 AM
where did he say there are three men in the mix and how could you know he is referring to roger, nadal and roddick :confused:

It's in bold in the first post, but in case you can't find it:

"Andy's a gentleman to say that, but there are three men in the mix now, make no mistake. I want to give Andy the attitude where he doesn't care who he plays. He's going to be winning Grand Slam titles in a year or two, and hang on for the ride! I hope you enjoy it as much as I'm going to."


I guess there's no way to know that he's saying Roger and Rafa are the other two. Maybe he means Roddick's in the mix for third best with Ljubicic and Nalbandian. Or maybe he means Roddick's in the mix for GOAT with Sampras and Laver. :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
09-16-2006, 09:18 AM
sorry jimbo but roddick ain't in the mix for anything

Maybe he can mix black and white paint to make grey or he could mix better than DJ Vinnay Spadea.

hitchhiker
09-16-2006, 09:35 AM
didnt connors lose 17 consecutive matches to lendl while maintaining he was his equal?

Action Jackson
09-16-2006, 09:52 AM
didnt connors lose 17 consecutive matches to lendl while maintaining he was his equal?

Yes, that would be correct and here is the record in full.


1979 Indianapolis Clay QF Connors 6-2 7-6
1980 Memphis Indoor Carpet R16 Connors 6-2 6-3
1980 Dallas Indoor Carpet SF Connors 6-4 7-5 6-3
1980 North Conway Clay SF Connors 6-4 6-2
1980 Cincinnati Hardcourt QF Connors 6-2 6-0
1981 New York Indoor Carpet RR Connors 7-6 6-1
1981 La Quinta Hardcourt F Connors 6-3 7-6
1981 Davis Cup (WG-QF) TCH vs. USA Hardcourt RR Connors 7-5 6-4
1982 Cincinnati Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-1 6-1
1982 U.S. Open Hardcourt F Connors 6-3 6-2 4-6 6-4
1983 The Masters Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-3 6-1
1983 London / Queen's Club Grass SF Connors 6-0 6-3
1983 Montreal Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-1 6-3
1983 U.S. Open Hardcourt F Connors 6-3 6-7 7-5 6-0
1984 The Masters Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-3 6-4
1984 Forest Hills Clay SF Lendl 6-0 6-0
1984 Wimbledon Grass SF Connors 6-7 6-3 7-5 6-1
1984 Tokyo Indoor Carpet F Connors 6-4 3-6 6-0
1984 Wembley Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-4 6-2
1985 The Masters Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 7-5 6-7 7-5
1985 Fort Myers Hardcourt F Lendl 6-3 6-2
1985 Dallas Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-3 2-1 ret
1985 Roland Garros Clay SF Lendl 6-2 6-3 6-1
1985 Stratton Mountain Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-0 4-6 6-4
1985 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-2 6-3 7-5
1986 Boca West Hardcourt SF Lendl 1-6 6-1 6-2 2-6 5-2 def
1986 Fort Myers Hardcourt F Lendl 6-2 6-0
1986 Stratton Mountain Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-4 3-6 6-2
1987 Key Biscayne Hardcourt SF Lendl 3-6 7-6 7-6 6-3
1987 Washington Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-4 7-6
1987 Montreal Hardcourt SF Lendl 7-5 6-4
1987 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-4 6-2 6-2
1987 New York Indoor Carpet RR Lendl 4-3 ret
1988 Toronto Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-4 6-4
1992 U.S. Open Hardcourt R64 Lendl 3-6 6-3 6-2 6-0

Lendl lead 22-13

Bolded are all the consecutive wins Lendl had over Connors.

R.Federer
09-16-2006, 04:47 PM
Tough to tell whether Andy is truly back and is going to perform like this here on, or if this is a blip. It is his home country, it is his best surface, and there is the new energy and direction from Connors. Lets see what the indoor season brings, and if he qualifies for T.M.C, how he does there. I felt cheated out of a good Nadal-roddick sf, that would have told a tale right there.

I think he is in the mix, but he needs to get a win over a Top 5 player (has he beaten a Top 10 player yet this year? I can't remember) to be in the mix for the kind of thing Connors is implying

markom
09-16-2006, 04:53 PM
there are three (score) men in the mixer now :smash:

Dusk Soldier
09-16-2006, 05:16 PM
Roddick isn't in any mix until he can contend (as others rightly pointed out) with the rest of the top 10, especially since he hasn't been beating those considered 'top players' recently.
They haven't been beating him recently either.

Jlee
09-16-2006, 05:21 PM
A true test for Roddick would be if he gets a chance to play a top 10 player, besides Federer maybe. Since things have been going better he's only really played Blake (I believe?) and that was very close. Hopefully he can do well in the TMC.

croat123
09-16-2006, 07:38 PM
one of those three can't beat top10 players...

robinhood
09-16-2006, 09:02 PM
They haven't been beating him recently either.

No offense to all the great players Roddick played and defeated this summer, but none of them are considered 'top players' at the moment.

Maybe Murray and Gonzo, who are not ranked in the top 10, come close, but that's about it.

Jimnik
09-16-2006, 09:16 PM
one of those three can't beat top10 players...
He can't help it if "top 10 players" like Ljubicic and Nalbandian constantly lose before he can play them.

robinhood
09-16-2006, 09:54 PM
He can't help it if "top 10 players" like Ljubicic and Nalbandian constantly lose before he can play them.

Sure, that, too.
Then he's got to defeat the Top 10ers he gets to play, which he hasn't done yet.

But I would favor Roddick over most of the current top ten right now.

markom
09-16-2006, 10:25 PM
He can't help it if "top 10 players" like Ljubicic and Nalbandian constantly lose before he can play them.

sure he is going to play them soon it aint america there with tampered draw.

croat123
09-16-2006, 10:33 PM
He can't help it if "top 10 players" like Ljubicic and Nalbandian constantly lose before he can play them.
he also can't help the fact that he hasn't beaten them (since they have entered into the top10)

rmb6687
09-16-2006, 11:12 PM
and also, before last month, he hadn't been getting deep enough to beat them right? That says nothing good about him really, but everyone but the top 2 have been inconsistent all damn year.

Veronique
09-17-2006, 12:16 AM
he also can't help the fact that he hasn't beaten them (since they have entered into the top10)

Ljubo's fans shouldn't be casting stones. He's going down with a thump this fall. :yippee: :yippee:

~*BGT*~
09-17-2006, 02:39 AM
Ljubo's fans shouldn't be casting stones. He's going down with a thump this fall. :yippee: :yippee:
:yeah: :woohoo: :nerner:

binkygirl
09-17-2006, 05:00 AM
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/11/SPGTVL36MR1.DTL




Is Andy really in the mix with Nadal and Federer now, or is it too early to say that?

I don't think that Andy believes that he is in the mix, so yes, it is too early to say that. He had an excellent draw at the US Open (Hewitt is a mere shadow of his former self) and the match against Verdasco could have easily gone the other way. He was lucky to make it to the finals.

I finally understand the logic of the Roddick camp in hiring Connors and that is to inspire Andy mentally. They've finally caught on to the fact that Andy's problems are primarily in his head, which is why he hasn't improved much at all since winning the US Open three years ago.

yomike
09-17-2006, 01:45 PM
Roddick sucks.

and he's boring.

~*BGT*~
09-17-2006, 01:57 PM
Roddick sucks.

and he's boring.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: and another :rolleyes:

Can't think of anything original to say because, "Roddick sucks and he's boring" is boring and old.

yomike
09-17-2006, 02:09 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: and another :rolleyes:

Can't think of anything original to say because, "Roddick sucks and he's boring" is boring and old.

If it could make you less upset Richard and Elena are my most favorite players.

~*BGT*~
09-17-2006, 02:41 PM
If it could make you less upset Richard and Elena are my most favorite players.
:)

TennisAgenda
09-17-2006, 05:31 PM
Connors is talking BS. Roddick has proven absolutlely nothing. He won Cincinatti not beating any top ten players big deal. He beat Fererro a player he dominated in the final of that event not a big shock. However, I don't see Roddick beating the real top ten players he's been losing to them for years. Connors can say whatever he wants but real tennis fans know Roddick is definitely not at the top. Even Roddick admitted it.
Andy has only beaten one top ten player in a slam he was very lucky to beat Verdasco. Verdasco is a major choker and he broke Roddick to go up 1-0 in the final set this was his real chance. He of course gets tight and loses the match. And in the fourth round I think if Agassi had gotten there he could of taken Roddick out. Roddick got a great gift from Becker for beating Agassi. Roddick next plays Hewitt who has a knee injury and he was a shadow of his former self. Next, he gets lucky with Nadal losing in the quarterfinals. Roddick got lucky with a smooth draw to the finals.

guy in sf
09-17-2006, 05:51 PM
Connors said that because he's Roddick's coach. Andy still has a lot to prove and at the US open, other than Hewitt, he was lucky that he had a relatively easy draw. I do not feel he's one of the top 3 right now, but we'll see next season. He might go back to his slump.

cmurray
09-17-2006, 06:35 PM
Andy NEEDS someone to believe in him. I'm glad a guy like Connors is there to tell him to stop giving Roger a tongue bath. Rafa is very complimentary of Roger, but when he gives an interview, you hear him say "I'm gonna hafta play my best tennis to beat him" not "Yeah, he's just too good" like Andy says. I want to see Andy back in the mix and if that means Connors has to clip him upside the head, so be it. :)

njnetswill
09-17-2006, 11:00 PM
Connors almost sounds as deluded as Courier. :o

oz_boz
09-18-2006, 11:26 PM
Yes, that would be correct and here is the record in full.


1979 Indianapolis Clay QF Connors 6-2 7-6
1980 Memphis Indoor Carpet R16 Connors 6-2 6-3
1980 Dallas Indoor Carpet SF Connors 6-4 7-5 6-3
1980 North Conway Clay SF Connors 6-4 6-2
1980 Cincinnati Hardcourt QF Connors 6-2 6-0
1981 New York Indoor Carpet RR Connors 7-6 6-1
1981 La Quinta Hardcourt F Connors 6-3 7-6
1981 Davis Cup (WG-QF) TCH vs. USA Hardcourt RR Connors 7-5 6-4
1982 Cincinnati Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-1 6-1
1982 U.S. Open Hardcourt F Connors 6-3 6-2 4-6 6-4
1983 The Masters Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-3 6-1
1983 London / Queen's Club Grass SF Connors 6-0 6-3
1983 Montreal Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-1 6-3
1983 U.S. Open Hardcourt F Connors 6-3 6-7 7-5 6-0
1984 The Masters Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-3 6-4
1984 Forest Hills Clay SF Lendl 6-0 6-0
1984 Wimbledon Grass SF Connors 6-7 6-3 7-5 6-1
1984 Tokyo Indoor Carpet F Connors 6-4 3-6 6-0
1984 Wembley Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-4 6-2
1985 The Masters Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 7-5 6-7 7-5
1985 Fort Myers Hardcourt F Lendl 6-3 6-2
1985 Dallas Indoor Carpet SF Lendl 6-3 2-1 ret
1985 Roland Garros Clay SF Lendl 6-2 6-3 6-1
1985 Stratton Mountain Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-0 4-6 6-4
1985 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-2 6-3 7-5
1986 Boca West Hardcourt SF Lendl 1-6 6-1 6-2 2-6 5-2 def
1986 Fort Myers Hardcourt F Lendl 6-2 6-0
1986 Stratton Mountain Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-4 3-6 6-2
1987 Key Biscayne Hardcourt SF Lendl 3-6 7-6 7-6 6-3
1987 Washington Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-4 7-6
1987 Montreal Hardcourt SF Lendl 7-5 6-4
1987 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-4 6-2 6-2
1987 New York Indoor Carpet RR Lendl 4-3 ret
1988 Toronto Hardcourt SF Lendl 6-4 6-4
1992 U.S. Open Hardcourt R64 Lendl 3-6 6-3 6-2 6-0

Lendl lead 22-13

Bolded are all the consecutive wins Lendl had over Connors.

:haha:

croat123
09-24-2006, 02:19 PM
:D