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Federers supernatural 1st serve returns!

marcRD
09-11-2006, 09:06 PM
I mean, it is just silly to see an awesome server send these bombs, 130-140 mphs many times down the line and Federer doesnt even seem bothered. Roddick was serving like a madman out there and couldnt even make 2 aces every set. Roddick served 65% and got broken 6 times yesterday.

Of all the great tennis what I am gonna remember will be the amazing 1st serve returns. One of the most underestimated qualities in tennis, I mean Agassi may be great att attacking 2nd serves but if he would be as great as Federer returning 1st serves he would not be 2nd to Sampras in his generation. The 1st serve is such a weapon nowadays and beeing able to neutralize it like Fed does makes his returns the greatest single weapon in tennis.

Lullaby
09-11-2006, 09:14 PM
Which is why when murray gets fit and learns to serve he will be right up there!

Bremen
09-11-2006, 09:34 PM
Up there with Federer???

Naranoc
09-11-2006, 09:36 PM
That is implied, yes. ;)

Bremen
09-11-2006, 09:40 PM
That is implied, yes. ;)

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

deliveryman
09-11-2006, 09:42 PM
I disregard anyone from the UK's opinion of Murray. Because 99% of them are delusional.

Pea
09-11-2006, 09:43 PM
Which is why when murray gets fit and learns to serve he will be right up there!

Um wow. Big statement.:lol:

Himura
09-11-2006, 09:45 PM
yeah, that was impressive and insane....

DrJules
09-11-2006, 09:56 PM
I mean, it is just silly to see an awesome server send these bombs, 130-140 mphs many times down the line and Federer doesnt even seem bothered. Roddick was serving like a madman out there and couldnt even make 2 aces every set. Roddick served 65% and got broken 6 times yesterday.

Of all the great tennis what I am gonna remember will be the amazing 1st serve returns. One of the most underestimated qualities in tennis, I mean Agassi may be great att attacking 2nd serves but if he would be as great as Federer returning 1st serves he would not be 2nd to Sampras in his generation. The 1st serve is such a weapon nowadays and beeing able to neutralize it like Fed does makes his returns the greatest single weapon in tennis.

Does provide strong evidence for considering Federer the best returner of serve currently in mens tennis. He is doing it against the best serve in mens tennis.

Timariot
09-11-2006, 10:04 PM
Bah, Roddick... Now Goran would've served Federer off the court... :devil:

R.Federer
09-11-2006, 10:05 PM
In a matchup against big servers, his return is the single best weapon he has.

How demoralizing it must have been for andy to see his rockets come right back, with interest. And then, to be broken more times in that one match than he has been all tournament long; it already puts him on the backfoot right there, it's so tough to hang in there with that kind of disadvantage, so all credit to andy for then winning one set

Pea
09-11-2006, 10:06 PM
Bah, Roddick... Now Goran would've served Federer off the court... :devil:

That's cos Goran is a great server. Rodduck is only a powerful server. People always seem to confuse that.

DrJules
09-11-2006, 10:08 PM
Bah, Roddick... Now Goran would've served Federer off the court... :devil:

Goran served slower and put a lower % of 1st serves in court. I think you will find Goran's serve each year was broken far more than Andy's.

TennisAgenda
09-11-2006, 10:11 PM
The return of serve is one of the weapons Roger has that Roddick doesn't have.

R.Federer
09-11-2006, 10:13 PM
I think you will find Goran's serve each year was broken far more than Andy's.
That would depend on how good Goran's opponents' returns were versus how good andy's opponents' returns are. Can't compare

Timariot
09-11-2006, 10:20 PM
Goran served slower and put a lower % of 1st serves in court. I think you will find Goran's serve each year was broken far more than Andy's.

Goran also hit more aces, and his second serve was better...though he also hit much more double faults than Roddick. Service speed comparison is meaningless since new radars gave everyone 5 to 10mph.

Of course, Wayne Arthurs was the ultimate serving machine.

World Beater
09-11-2006, 10:41 PM
dont agree with the second serve...roddick's second serve is better.

Goran's second serve let him down in crucia situations with sampras.

most players on tour cant even deal with roddick's second serve. one of the best kick serves out there.

Pea
09-11-2006, 10:48 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29

You're so bitter.:haha: I wanna lick up your tears.

Timariot
09-11-2006, 10:58 PM
dont agree with the second serve...roddick's second serve is better.

Goran's second serve let him down in crucia situations with sampras.

most players on tour cant even deal with roddick's second serve. one of the best kick serves out there.

"He made my serve look like a schmuck serve." -Andy Roddick

DrJules
09-11-2006, 11:02 PM
Goran also hit more aces, and his second serve was better...though he also hit much more double faults than Roddick. Service speed comparison is meaningless since new radars gave everyone 5 to 10mph.

Of course, Wayne Arthurs was the ultimate serving machine.

A major cause of losing serve.

World Beater
09-11-2006, 11:27 PM
"He made my serve look like a schmuck serve." -Andy Roddick

roddick's serve has improved leaps and bounds since then. sorry.

the rest of his game hasnt unfortunately.

what year was this? 2001? how old was roddick?

cmurray
09-11-2006, 11:44 PM
Andy has a good serve....but I think certain guys have started to figure it out. Because just hard isn't good enough. Fed can't serve as hard as Roddick, but his placement is better. Andy's return game isn't exactly stellar, I'll admit, but Fed DID out ace Andy.

NYCtennisfan
09-11-2006, 11:51 PM
Roddick's 2nd serve is amazing really. He can kick it up really high to the BH on the AD as well as on the Deuce court. He almost always hits it with good pace and never gives up a puffball.

Federer's return is getting better. He used to just block back balls but he slowly starting to attack the BH return on the AD side. He hit some return winners up the line with the BH return on the AD side and hit a really good one CC with it as well. He almost never did that in the past. His FH return has always been very penetrating. If you don't serve it close to the T on the AD side to his FH, then it doesn't matter how hard you hit it, he is going to get a crack on it. That's one of the reasons that Blake has so many problems against him. He serves to the FH on the AD side more than anyone and he always gets hurt. The inside-out BH return on the deuce court has always been good but has improved as well.

missbungle
09-11-2006, 11:54 PM
If there were any talented S-V'ers on the tour who could hit a good kick serve, Fed's returns wouldn't look so great anymore.

nobama
09-12-2006, 12:06 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29 :tears:

Lullaby
09-12-2006, 06:29 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

How do you know - fed was 29th in world at the same age, hadn't won an atp tournament etc

If murray can get his mind set right and add more power and fitness he has a chance to be right up there.

Sue
09-12-2006, 07:04 AM
How do you know - fed was 29th in world at the same age, hadn't won an atp tournament etc

If murray can get his mind set right and add more power and fitness he has a chance to be right up there.


Thats a mighty big * if*.

bokehlicious
09-12-2006, 07:17 AM
How do you know - fed was 29th in world at the same age, hadn't won an atp tournament etc

If murray can get his mind set right and add more power and fitness he has a chance to be right up there.

If a youngster has to reach Fed's level, Gasquet has more chances to do so as he's way more naturally gifted than Murray :shrug:

World Beater
09-12-2006, 07:19 AM
If a youngster has to reach Fed's level, Gasquet has more chances to do so as he's way more naturally gifted than Murray :shrug:

talentwise, its tough for me to put anybody, let alone the youngsters in federer's class.

Allure
09-12-2006, 07:26 AM
If a youngster has to reach Fed's level, Gasquet has more chances to do so as he's way more naturally gifted than Murray :shrug:

:yeah:

leng jai
09-12-2006, 07:49 AM
If there were any talented S-V'ers on the tour who could hit a good kick serve, Fed's returns wouldn't look so great anymore.

Bring back Rafter

Timariot
09-12-2006, 08:47 AM
roddick's serve has improved leaps and bounds since then. sorry.


A bit perhaps...but he still isn't hitting same kind of ace numbers. Overall, Goran and Arthurs both were better servers than Andy. Arthurs and Andy actually used to be #1 and #2 once in games held - category on ATPStats.

stebs
09-12-2006, 08:57 AM
Federer is the best in the world and has been for a long time at returning 1st serves. He has an incredible reaction speed and seems to always be able to get the ball in play.

There are several better players at returning second serves. Nalbandian, Murray, Davydenko.

admiralpye
09-12-2006, 10:33 AM
Federer's return of serve IS phenomenal. It's almost like taichi where he uses the opponent's strength against him. I only realized this USO 2006 finals against Roddick.

No doubt he's still the most dominant force in professional tennis. There's no clear "successor" for him yet. Maybe because he's not even reached the peak of his career (scary thought). By himself, he raises the quality of men's tennis.

(take note, I am a Nadal fan).

I doubt Murray will be able to achieve Federer status. At his age, Roger was already so much better than Murray is now. Also, Roger at 19 didn't have the problems with discipline and fitness that Murray has now. And probably because of his natural talent, Murray doesn't seem as dedicated to his training as he should be. If he was, he would've won more tournaments this year.

I agree about his enormous potential. But the way things are going now, and with an increasingly competitive crop of players on tour, I doubt that he can catch up and actually be a consistent top tenner, much less world number one. (Same goes for the much-hyped Sam Querrey, in my opinion).

MatchFederer
09-12-2006, 11:27 AM
Federer was better than Andy at the same respective ages? I believe both had very similar grand slam results and I could be wrong but I don't think Federer's world ranking was inside the top 20 at the same age. At best it would have been about the same as Murray's.

You may be right with regard to fitness and dedication though... and I agree that he won't reach Federer status. For starters he will play half his career in the Federer era, if you will. Also there are too many other good players now and for the future. Gasquet and Berdych (sp)?, Nadal is already excellent.

Lullaby
09-12-2006, 11:50 AM
Federer was better than Andy at the same respective ages? I believe both had very similar grand slam results and I could be wrong but I don't think Federer's world ranking was inside the top 20 at the same age. At best it would have been about the same as Murray's.

You may be right with regard to fitness and dedication though... and I agree that he won't reach Federer status. For starters he will play half his career in the Federer era, if you will. Also there are too many other good players now and for the future. Gasquet and Berdych (sp)?, Nadal is already excellent.

Andy has better results at the same age not that means anything long term.

I dont think he will be as successful as fed or ever as good as him. I do however think if he gets his head right (Which was feds major development change) and works hard fitness / strength wise he will be up there challenging him.

His results at times astound me due to him looking like a little boy in comparisson to whoever he is playing and he will only get better imo

1st full year on tour and he has beaten roddick x 2, hewitt, ferrer, Off par fed, Gonzalez, henman x 2, nieminen, stepanek etc

MatchFederer
09-12-2006, 12:16 PM
Yeah that is a pretty impressive list of victims. I think that he will give Federer some tough matches in the future. Murray likes to be very aggressive on the second serves.. and the first, I think he will consistently really take the game to Federer.

I am pretty sure he will be a future Grand Slam contender, however, players of the calibre of Federer do not come around often. By the end of his career depending on what happens we may be saying that a player the calibre of Federer only comes around every 100 years.

ibcnum
09-12-2006, 04:26 PM
Andy must be sad that for all his efforts, he can't blow Roger off the court. :awww:

Yes, i would be really sad if i was andy, but i wouldn't go as far as saying he doesn't blow Roger off the court :angel:

lordmanji
09-12-2006, 05:26 PM
any idea which grip fed uses to return serve? looks like an eastern or a continental to me. and looking at roger's prowess at everything, i could see how he would be able to block back as well as attack a powerful serve with those two grips versus the semiwestern and western.