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Serious question concerning Federer's competition...

hasanahmad
09-11-2006, 05:05 AM
When Federer is in his very top gear, is there any player in the world today, who in his top gear can beat federer with a score more dominating than 7/6

Tennis Fool
09-11-2006, 05:06 AM
:secret: See Australian Open 05 and French Open 06.

hasanahmad
09-11-2006, 05:07 AM
:secret: See Australian Open 05 and French Open 06.

I saw those and Federer wasnt in top gear in both AU semi or French 2005/06

Frank Winkler
09-11-2006, 05:10 AM
yes its most likely someone whos serve he will not be able to break.
A big gorrilla with a big serve.
Look at men's tennis aside from Nadal and Federer and not on clay.
all it is is "serve and bash"
The modern game what a bore.

nkhera1
09-11-2006, 05:15 AM
The better question for you guys is if anyone can beat Nadal when he is in top gear? Yeah he lost Wimbledon, Toronto, Cincy, and at the US Open but its clear he wasn't in top gear then.

hasanahmad
09-11-2006, 05:17 AM
The better question for you guys is if anyone can beat Nadal when he is in top gear? Yeah he lost Wimbledon, Toronto, Cincy, and at the US Open but its clear he wasn't in top gear then.

you can say the same thing about Thomas Muster on clay. Nadal is like Agassi, Excellent clay game but very good other surface game

He got a VERY easy draw in wimbledon and US open

World Beater
09-11-2006, 05:18 AM
The better question for you guys is if anyone can beat Nadal when he is in top gear? Yeah he lost Wimbledon, Toronto, Cincy, and at the US Open but its clear he wasn't in top gear then.

vince spadea is yet to reach his prime. he was in reverse gear against federer :sad:

all those tournaments he lost, he was still stuck in first gear.

just watch him hit top gear, nobody will be able to stop him.

ufokart
09-11-2006, 05:18 AM
I saw those and Federer wasnt in top gear in both AU semi or French 2005/06

You are kidding, right?
He was in full form against safin in the Australian open.
Just because he lost doesn't mean he wasn't in full gear :rolleyes:


The better question for you guys is if anyone can beat Nadal when he is in top gear? Yeah he lost Wimbledon, Toronto, Cincy, and at the US Open but its clear he wasn't in top gear then.

:haha:

hasanahmad
09-11-2006, 05:19 AM
vince spadea is yet to reach his prime. he was in reverse gear against federer :sad:

all those tournaments he lost, he was still stuck in first gear.

just watch him hit top gear, nobody will be able to stop him.

vince? the 32 year old?

hasanahmad
09-11-2006, 05:22 AM
You are kidding, right?
He was in full form against safin in the Australian open.
Just because he lost doesn't mean he wasn't in full gear :rolleyes:




:haha:

I have a torrent of that match. he was nowhere near the level as he was especially like he was in semis of 2005 US open when he played the 4 setter vs Agassi, especially the final set where he won 6-1. In Top gear I mean when he is hitting those impossible shots after shots like sampras used to do in wimbledon

robinhood
09-11-2006, 05:24 AM
I can only think of AO 05 Semis loss.
Maybe he had a problem with a blister or whatever, but he wasn't too far off from his best, I thought.

All those losses against Rafa, I don't know because I've only watched the two FO matches where he struggled a lot with his own game plus Rafa's.

So my answer to this thread's question would be a healthy, rejuvenated, focused, and one-hot-looking MARAT SAFIN.

Tennis Fool
09-11-2006, 05:27 AM
I can only think of AO 05 Semis loss.
Maybe he had a problem with a blister or whatever, but he wasn't too far off from his best, I thought.

All those losses against Rafa, I don't know because I've only watched the two FO matches where he struggled a lot with his own game plus Rafa's.

So my answer to this thread's question would be a healthy, rejuvenated, focused, and one-hot-looking MARAT SAFIN.
Hippo won't beat him if Fed is in top gear, according to the thread starter.

In fact, this is a self-fullfiling prophecy thread.

robinhood
09-11-2006, 05:30 AM
I have a torrent of that match. he was nowhere near the level as he was especially like he was in semis of 2005 US open when he played the 4 setter vs Agassi, especially the final set where he won 6-1. In Top gear I mean when he is hitting those impossible shots after shots like sampras used to do in wimbledon

I know that Fed could've played better against Marat in that match, but then without that match, this thread becomes meaningless imo, because no one in his "top gear" can defeat Fed when he is playing his absolute best tennis.

If not Marat, then maybe Nadal is the only answer but seeing that he loses often on other surfaces than clay, I have to wonder how Nadal's "best tennis" could beat Fed's best when the latter doesn't lose even when playing so-so.

Merton
09-11-2006, 05:32 AM
Nobody can beat Vasilis Mazarakis in full flight. Nobody has ever seen Vasilis Mazarakis in full flight.

sawan66278
09-11-2006, 05:32 AM
I think the match today demonstrated the strategy to beat Roger: coming in to the net with deep approaches to the backhand side. Serve and volleying off of big first serves or kick second serves to the backhand work great. Time and time again, Roger looked average when Roddick, a below average net player, came in...The players who could defeat him under these circumstances: Boris Becker and Stefan Edberg....whoops....they no longer play... ;)

ufokart
09-11-2006, 05:32 AM
I have a feeling that Hasanahmad thinks that everytime federer lost since Wimbledon 2003 is because he wasn't in top gear :rolleyes: :lol:

He obviously loses matches, the opponents don't win them. In fact, the opponents have no influence in the match when they make an ace, they make a winner or when Federer makes forced errors. The matches are just lost by Federer, his unforced errors and his double faults :rolleyes:

Fedever
09-11-2006, 05:55 AM
When Federer is in his very top gear, is there any player in the world today, who in his top gear can beat federer with a score more dominating than 7/6

MARAT SAFIN! :)

rmb6687
09-11-2006, 05:58 AM
yeah, the answer is clearly Safin. Roger was at his best then..and Safin was just better...so it didnt look like Federer's best to you that's only cause it wasn't as good as Safin's on that one day and time.

and yes, i'm saying this with a straight face, cause i mean it.

Fedever
09-11-2006, 06:06 AM
I saw those and Federer wasnt in top gear in both AU semi or French 2005/06

I agree that he wasn't in top gear at FO 06, but he was in top gear in the AO 05 semi. It was one of the best matches I have ever seen. Both players were in top form. All the announcers reference that match and say the same thing. If Safin comes back he will be a major rival for Federer.

martinatreue
09-11-2006, 06:13 AM
Federer has improved significantly since then. Safin has not.

ufokart
09-11-2006, 06:15 AM
If Safin comes back he will be a major rival for Federer.

I never really understood this.
People that say Marat can challenge Federer just because he won that match. Yeah, he won 2 matches against Federer and one was that great one in the australian open......But he has also lost 7 times against him. He is Federer's pigeon.
A lot of those matches were really close, but to say that he will be a major rival is a little far-fetched :rolleyes:

Oh, sorry, we were talking about Federer and his different gears, please continue :lol:

Fedever
09-11-2006, 06:19 AM
yes its most likely someone whos serve he will not be able to break.
A big gorrilla with a big serve.
Look at men's tennis aside from Nadal and Federer and not on clay.
all it is is "serve and bash"
The modern game what a bore.

The players with the big serves, the “Big Gorillas”, as you call them are the players that Federer consistently beats. Roddick is a perfect example of that. Federer has the best return of serve in the game. It takes someone who is either a great counter puncher (Nadal), or someone with a huge variety of shots and a great all around game such as Safin.

JW10S
09-11-2006, 06:26 AM
The players Federer has lost to in the last couple years are players that for the most part are strong from the left side. With the exception of Murray his losses have to players like Gasquet, Nalbandian and Safin who have strong backhands and then of course Nadal is left-handed. A player like Roddick who is far weaker on his backhand or left side for example is much less a threat to Federer.

MariaV
09-11-2006, 06:29 AM
All the announcers reference that match and say the same thing. If Safin comes back he will be a major rival for Federer.
I suggest all the announcers and you have a reality check then.
Marat may succeed to win another major (as we marat fabns all still hope & pray) but as he hismelf said, only if Federer is not in it. :wavey:
And please don't forget Federer could've (even should've) won the AO 2005 semis in 4 sets. :D

atpSUPERMAN
09-11-2006, 06:42 AM
Federer was in top gear in last year's US Open Final but Agassi still owned him 6-2 and up a break in the 3rd set after viciously pushing Fedex behind the baseline. The only reason Agassi didn't win that was because he had to win 3 consecutive 5 setters to reach the final which he limped from. Otherwise Agassi in 4 sets. He looked so punch drunk in that semi I really didn't think he'd have anything left for the final.

MariaV
09-11-2006, 06:49 AM
Federer was in top gear in last year's US Open Final but Agassi still owned him 6-2 and up a break in the 3rd set after viciously pushing Fedex behind the baseline. The only reason Agassi didn't win that was because he had to win 3 consecutive 5 setters to reach the final which he limped from. Otherwise Agassi in 4 sets. He looked so punch drunk in that semi I really didn't think he'd have anything left for the final.
Yeah but then we all knew Agassi wouldn't last the distance. That was a good try from him though.

Fedever
09-11-2006, 06:56 AM
Quote:
If Safin comes back he will be a major rival for Federer.

[QUOTE=ufokart]I never really understood this.
People that say Marat can challenge Federer just because he won that match. Yeah, he won 2 matches against Federer and one was that great one in the australian open......But he has also lost 7 times against him. He is Federer's pigeon.
A lot of those matches were really close, but to say that he will be a major rival is a little far-fetched :rolleyes:

It is because his particular style of play matches up very well against Federer. Even Federer commented a while back when asked about his rivalry with Nadal that he had expected Marat and he would have had a rivalry. Federer even mentioned Marat (and someone else who I don’t remember), as being one of the most talented players, with depth and variety in his game that people find interesting to watch.

I guess we shall wait and see what happens if Marat comes back to full form.

Tennis Fool
09-11-2006, 06:58 AM
Federer has improved significantly since then. Safin has not.
Hmmm...could that be because Safin was injured for a year?

Tennis Fool
09-11-2006, 07:03 AM
Federer even mentioned Marat (and someone else who I don’t remember), as being one of the most talented players, with depth and variety in his game that people find interesting to watch.

I guess we shall wait and see what happens if Marat comes back to full form.
Not even a while back, he just said in his last interview that Safin & Hewitt were joining Andy in closing the gap, ie getting better and over injuries.

Plus, when was the last time Roger met Safin at a Slam or a Masters...oh, the AO 2005...

We all know Safin is slightly mad, but when the mental and physical are in sync he can overcome anyone like Federer, Sampras or ....Ollie :p

atheneglaukopis
09-11-2006, 07:14 AM
Federer even mentioned Marat (and someone else who I don’t remember), as being one of the most talented players, with depth and variety in his game that people find interesting to watch.If you're thinking of the interview where he was sorting players according to number of dimensions, he identified Agassi, Safin, and Haas as multi-dimensional players who are fun to watch, and Nadal and Sampras as highly effective but not three-dimensional.

Action Jackson
09-11-2006, 07:24 AM
I think the OP needs to take some gear.

seven
09-11-2006, 09:37 AM
Marat can beat him, he has much more power from the baseline than Roddick or Nadal. Some say, Fed wasn´t in best form at AO 05, yeah maybe, but he also didn´t play badly. And to be honest, I don´t think Marat played his very best there. Also he could´ve beaten him more easily than 9-7 in the fifth, so for me one match is not evident for proving someone could beat someone or not. But I think the semifinal would´ve been more interesting with Marat there than Davydenko, although Marat needs to have more confidence to beat him.
Nadal can also beat him, if in topform, I´m not sure, as Feds game is much more powerful, on the other hand Nadal can play more aggressively as he showed in Wimbledon, and he´s mentally much smarter and stronger than others.

vidhya_srini
09-11-2006, 10:13 AM
Lets wait for andymurray vs federer probably next wimbledon

Vass
09-11-2006, 10:46 AM
Quote:
If Safin comes back he will be a major rival for Federer.

[QUOTE=ufokart]I never really understood this.
People that say Marat can challenge Federer just because he won that match. Yeah, he won 2 matches against Federer and one was that great one in the australian open......But he has also lost 7 times against him. He is Federer's pigeon.

Except Nadal, everyone is a pegeon or doing his best to become one.

nanoman
09-11-2006, 11:03 AM
Safin can beat Federer. That's like me being able to win against the house on a roulette table.
There are days when I end up winning. Of course, I can delude myself that when I'm at my best, I can beat the house at its best. But I'd rather be realistic and say that I was very fortunate on my winning days.

ufokart
09-11-2006, 12:08 PM
Except Nadal, everyone is a pegeon or doing his best to become one.



Yep, i know, and that was one of my points.
For example, Ljubicic is 3-10 against Fed, so he won matches against him and their recent matches have been relatively close. Why aren't people saying it is a great rivalry or that Ljubicic can trouble and win against fed?

The match of Safin against Fed in the australian open was great, and it's something Ljubicic doesn't have, but it's not enough for me to confirm such statements. It may be true, but some people here talk about it like it's written in the ten commandments or something :lol:

cmurray
09-11-2006, 12:32 PM
I watched that semi in Australia in 05. I have NEVER seen anything like it. I don't know if that was Roger's top gear, but if it wasn't, it was pretty DAMN close. Marat outplayed him. Now, I know Rafa out-played Roger at RG, but Rafa makes Roger play bad tennis. Rafa's strengths play right into Roger's weaknesses....not to take anything away from Rafa, because he does to Roger what Roger does to everyone else - he makes him go for too much and puts pressure on him forcing errors.

The reason I say Marat outplayed him is because Marat wasn't feeding into any of Roger's weaknesses. He was just out hitting him. It was brilliant (from both players) and inspiring tennis. It almost made me like Roger. Almost. :)

bokehlicious
09-11-2006, 12:35 PM
Marat outplayed him.

:yeah: Marat bitched Roger :retard:

cmurray
09-11-2006, 12:43 PM
:yeah: Marat bitched Roger :retard:

Yes, you're right. I'm sorry. Roger clearly played better than Marat. That's why Marat won and Roger lost. :retard:

All_Slam_Andre
09-11-2006, 01:34 PM
Safin cannot beat Federer anymore. He is nowhere near as good as he was at the time of the Australian Open last year. His mobility now is pretty useless compared to how it was then, and considering Roger hits a lot of shots out wide, Marat would be in big, big trouble. I like Safin, but it is time to stop taking him seriously now people.

supersexynadal
09-11-2006, 01:55 PM
Agree with seven..Marat has the game to beat him. He knows what he needs to do but he wont always pull it off. I watched the first set from the final before i dozed off but. From the baseline, roddick was great but i dont what the hell he was doing at the net :eek: Who the hell crosses the ball and waits at the other ide of the net!?? :confused: He really had to work hard form the baseline but e couldnt play 4 straight point without errors on his service.

rmb6687
09-11-2006, 06:14 PM
Safin cannot beat Federer anymore. He is nowhere near as good as he was at the time of the Australian Open last year. His mobility now is pretty useless compared to how it was then, and considering Roger hits a lot of shots out wide, Marat would be in big, big trouble. I like Safin, but it is time to stop taking him seriously now people.

It's not because of age or anything...he had a serious injury...let the man fully recover from that before we start discounting him.

Fedever
09-11-2006, 08:07 PM
I watched that semi in Australia in 05. I have NEVER seen anything like it. I don't know if that was Roger's top gear, but if it wasn't, it was pretty DAMN close. Marat outplayed him. Now, I know Rafa out-played Roger at RG, but Rafa makes Roger play bad tennis. Rafa's strengths play right into Roger's weaknesses....not to take anything away from Rafa, because he does to Roger what Roger does to everyone else - he makes him go for too much and puts pressure on him forcing errors.

The reason I say Marat outplayed him is because Marat wasn't feeding into any of Roger's weaknesses. He was just out hitting him. It was brilliant (from both players) and inspiring tennis. It almost made me like Roger. Almost. :)

I agree completely! Well said.

Pfloyd
09-11-2006, 08:50 PM
Well Federer has lost to Nadal while playing his absolute best on clay. The Rome Final, then funny thing is that, Rafa did NOT play his best clay court match that day.

Yes, Rafa HAS to improve his HC game even more, but the Dubai Final was quite good, and Federer played well there (not his absolute best though), but Nadal player awsome.

So yeah, Nadal can also play on Hardcourt. But if Federer played against Nadal like he did on Rome on HC, he would beat Rafa in 3 or 4 sets...