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For all the peeps hating on the crowd...

LleytonMonfils
09-08-2006, 07:16 PM
isn't that the point of homefield advantage? this is the US OPEN! hence the word US... they cheer hard for the the Roddick's, Blake's, etc. In Basketball when a player from an opposing team is at the free throw line, does the ref tell the crowd to be quiet? I mean I know there is a respect factor, but give me a break. These people are getting paid large sums of $ to play tennis, so I don't think there is any need to bitch about the fans getting a little riled up. Noone has thrown anything onto the court, came onto the court or anything like that. So let's just stop nit picking the fans for having a good time, for a ticket they paid their hard earned $ for.

kokket
09-08-2006, 07:29 PM
k.

BD006
09-08-2006, 07:37 PM
Attention whore.

El Legenda
09-08-2006, 07:40 PM
isn't that the point of homefield advantage? this is the US OPEN! hence the word US... they cheer hard for the the Roddick's, Blake's, etc. In Basketball when a player from an opposing team is at the free throw line, does the ref tell the crowd to be quiet? I mean I know there is a respect factor, but give me a break. These people are getting paid large sums of $ to play tennis, so I don't think there is any need to bitch about the fans getting a little riled up. Noone has thrown anything onto the court, came onto the court or anything like that. So let's just stop nit picking the fans for having a good time, for a ticket they paid their hard earned $ for.

i wonder if you would be singing same song if roddick or blake came to play at Umag or Zargeb and played vs Ljubo or mario

LleytonMonfils
09-08-2006, 07:45 PM
i would? seriously i don't see the big deal. i'm a sports fan, not just a tennis fan so i mean i know how it is. hell i still play competitive sports. it's part of the game.

Fumus
09-08-2006, 07:49 PM
I like the crowds in the US!

I think crowds should be loud, crazy, they should do funny stuff, shout things, do the wave, whatever. Yea, Americans are'nt the most well mannored but, we are Americans. We aren't proper and stuffy like the British or mean spirted like the French, but I admit we aren't as cool and fun loving as the Austrailians. I do think AO has the best crowd, I mean, they are just drunk 24/7 and totally love the tennis. Americans by nature are extremly competitive when it comes to sport, we get behind our guys 100 percent and if we think we can help them win by doing anything in our power we will. I mean, I don't think any of the US fans are going to pull a "Guenter Parche" and stab anyone but at the sametime, it might get alittle "Davis-Cupish" at times and I think that's fine. I mean, MTF is a bunch of whiners and we will seemingly complain about anything and everything. But know this, and don't be shocked...if you are a forgiener and you are playing an American in America...and in New York of all places. The crowd will be hostile, loud, and will root against you. IMHO, that is fun atmoshpere to watch and play in on both sides.

LleytonMonfils
09-08-2006, 07:53 PM
atleast someone agrees haha

Mechlan
09-08-2006, 08:02 PM
It's kind of an ugly homefield advantage cause it's basically the countries that have the slams get to cheer on their players for the entire tournament. Not exactly like a 7 game series where both teams get their share of rowdy crowd support.

i love paradorn
09-08-2006, 08:20 PM
mechlan has a good point. Oh well, that's just how tennis goes...

Fumus
09-08-2006, 08:23 PM
It's kind of an ugly homefield advantage cause it's basically the countries that have the slams get to cheer on their players for the entire tournament. Not exactly like a 7 game series where both teams get their share of rowdy crowd support.

Yea, well I doubt Montenegro Tennis Association has the money to build the facilities to host a slam. Is it fair that every player in world can't play infront of a crowd of this size of their people? No. It's not. But seriously, things could be worse, alot worse. We are Americans, we get rowdy and cheer for our guys...that's what we do. The question is, I guess, does it take away from the quality of tennis? In my opinion it makes the atmoshpere electric and the players respond to the energy...that intern raises the quality of the tennis. So it's good all around.

Black Adam
09-08-2006, 08:42 PM
Hewitt also uses home ground advantage in Melbourne by pumping up the crowd, same thing also happens in FO. Wimbledon has the calmest crowd. There is nothing wrong with that.

DrJules
09-08-2006, 08:48 PM
Hewitt also uses home ground advantage in Melbourne by pumping up the crowd, same thing also happens in FO. Wimbledon has the calmest crowd. There is nothing wrong with that.

The AO has been a far less happy hunting ground for Hewitt than either Wimbledon or the US Open. It has provided no assistance to his winning.

Fumus
09-08-2006, 09:05 PM
The AO has been a far less happy hunting ground for Hewitt than either Wimbledon or the US Open. It has provided no assistance to his winning.

Hewitt likes to be the bad guy, he uses negative energy better than positive energy.

rofe
09-08-2006, 09:10 PM
The problem I have is not with the cheering and/or booing per se. I also don't have a problem with cheering double faults after they happen. The crowd should be respectful when the player serves since that starts off the whole point. It is unfair if someone starts whistling or jeering or starts to leave while the player is serving.

Fumus
09-08-2006, 09:20 PM
The problem I have is not with the cheering and/or booing per se. I also don't have a problem with cheering double faults after they happen. The crowd should be respectful when the player serves since that starts off the whole point. It is unfair if someone starts whistling or jeering or starts to leave while the player is serving.

Oh whatever, these are big boys out there playing tennis not 10yr old girls with ADD. They are professionals; they have been playing tennis since they were 5 and now they are doing what most us only dream about. If I can play my USTA matches with balls rolling over in my court during points from other nearby matches, and other players in nearby courts making noises while I am playing these guys can deal with the whistling and stuff. I honestly don't see the noises taking away from the situation. Fans clapped on the first point of the Marcos vs. Andre match when Marcos’ first serve went into the net...that ended up being a great match. It's a hostile atmosphere yes, it's not proper tennis decorum but, I see it adding more than it's taking away for the most part. As a player when you are playing against that stuff, it’s fun to silence a crowd, and when you win you not only beat your opponent into submission but you beat the crowd too. It adds to the entertainment when fans are rowdy, and isn't that why we watch tennis anyways? The entertainment?

Socket
09-08-2006, 09:24 PM
The problem I have is not with the cheering and/or booing per se. I also don't have a problem with cheering double faults after they happen. The crowd should be respectful when the player serves since that starts off the whole point. It is unfair if someone starts whistling or jeering or starts to leave while the player is serving.
But why is it that serving in tennis is different from other crucial moments in other sports, batting in baseball, passing in most ball sports such as football or soccer, hitting a three-pointer or penalty shot in basketball? What makes serving in tennis special?

Fumus
09-08-2006, 09:25 PM
But why is it that serving in tennis is different from other crucial moments in other sports, batting in baseball, passing in most ball sports such as football or soccer, hitting a three-pointer or penalty shot in basketball? What makes serving in tennis special?

Tennis is a quiet gentlemen sport..lol

adee-gee
09-08-2006, 09:30 PM
I like the crowds in the US!

I think crowds should be loud, crazy, they should do funny stuff, shout things, do the wave, whatever. Yea, Americans are'nt the most well mannored but, we are Americans. We aren't proper and stuffy like the British or mean spirted like the French, but I admit we aren't as cool and fun loving as the Austrailians. I do think AO has the best crowd, I mean, they are just drunk 24/7 and totally love the tennis. Americans by nature are extremly competitive when it comes to sport, we get behind our guys 100 percent and if we think we can help them win by doing anything in our power we will. I mean, I don't think any of the US fans are going to pull a "Guenter Parche" and stab anyone but at the sametime, it might get alittle "Davis-Cupish" at times and I think that's fine. I mean, MTF is a bunch of whiners and we will seemingly complain about anything and everything. But know this, and don't be shocked...if you are a forgiener and you are playing an American in America...and in New York of all places. The crowd will be hostile, loud, and will root against you. IMHO, that is fun atmoshpere to watch and play in on both sides.
*nods in agreement*

Although not all Brits are stuffy :lol: stereotyper :ras: :p

Fumus
09-08-2006, 09:32 PM
*nods in agreement*

Although not all Brits are stuffy :lol: stereotyper :ras: :p


I just meant their very traditional crowd...although they do have those streakers.... :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :haha: :haha:

I do love me them streakers.

kokket
09-08-2006, 09:36 PM
cheering double faults
screaming on serving
booing on challenges
its not OK !

iam sure that many players would lost that game only because of the crowd
is that fair ?

should a non american player be booted out of a tournament because he play against an american in the US Open ?

the crowd was ridiculous, even for Blake was an embarrassing situation

Fumus
09-08-2006, 09:39 PM
cheering double faults
screaming on serving
booing on challenges
its not OK !

iam sure that many players would lost that game only because of the crowd
is that fair ?

should a non american player be booted out of a tournament because he play against an american in the US Open ?

the crowd was ridiculous, even for Blake was an embarrassing situation

No one is booting them out of an Open. You have to deal with adversity, in tennis, in life, and clearly on message boards too. The true champions rise above such things. My point is that if your whole game crumbles because you were booed or your service motion was interrupted maybe you have a few more problems than just a hostile crowd.

wally1
09-08-2006, 09:51 PM
isn't that the point of homefield advantage? this is the US OPEN! hence the word US... they cheer hard for the the Roddick's, Blake's, etc. In Basketball when a player from an opposing team is at the free throw line, does the ref tell the crowd to be quiet? I mean I know there is a respect factor, but give me a break. These people are getting paid large sums of $ to play tennis, so I don't think there is any need to bitch about the fans getting a little riled up. Noone has thrown anything onto the court, came onto the court or anything like that. So let's just stop nit picking the fans for having a good time, for a ticket they paid their hard earned $ for.Just because the crowd behaves one way in another sport, doesn't necessarily mean that that's OK for tennis. At football (soccer) matches the crowd chant and scream abuse and obscenities throughout, and usually have zero respect for the opposition. Want that while you're watching a tennis match?

mongo
09-08-2006, 10:05 PM
It all depends on the person. Borg never like NYC, Roger didn't at first, but now he does. Lendl killed tennis in the US by making the finals at the Open 8 consecutive years, winning three times as a Czech, and on and on.

I agree with Fumus that the AO crowds seem to be the best slam crowds. I've been to Paris and NY multiple times. There's no comparison: USO crowds are by far and away the crudest/most hostile/most disruptive and inappropriate (and I'm often at the center of it all). It's not just once in a while, or limited to the J-Block... or even Americans for that matter. At the USO, the Aussies are very intoxicated and equally vocal, as well. Anyway, it occurs every year, and on non-feature courts, as well. In other words, it's not an isolated occurance that everyone remembers. That's the main reason the USO has the "reputation" (deserving or not) as the toughest slam to win. By comparison, the French are really quite tame by comparison.

I was sitting next to a woman from London in Armstrong Stadium, who had been to Wimby several times, during Blake's match v. an Argentine (Monaco). She loves the J-Block and can't stand the subdued, sit-on-your-hands, repressed Wimbledon crowds. (To each his own.)

The most fun I've ever had was a 5 set, 4:30 hour night match in the Grandstand (USO) between PH Mathieu and Sargs Sargsian back in 2004. It was the closest thing to a Davis Cup atmosphere I've ever experienced. The French went nuts after ever point Mathieu won. Likewise, the Armenians followed suit. Flags everywhere. Loudest, most raucous tennis match I'd ever been to.

Those who'd find such an atmosphere obscene are a very small minority. The way it actually works is that the masses move to the venue where the shouting is the loudest. In other words, if the Grandstand is noisier than Armstrong, people will start pouring into the Grandstand from the other venues.

rofe
09-08-2006, 10:28 PM
But why is it that serving in tennis is different from other crucial moments in other sports, batting in baseball, passing in most ball sports such as football or soccer, hitting a three-pointer or penalty shot in basketball? What makes serving in tennis special?

It is an important time in a tennis match because you could lose the point if you get distracted and you can't overcome the distraction easily because you are not in the flow of the point. It is like a penalty shot in soccer where you need incredible concentration.

Socket
09-08-2006, 11:07 PM
It is an important time in a tennis match because you could lose the point if you get distracted and you can't overcome the distraction easily because you are not in the flow of the point. It is like a penalty shot in soccer where you need incredible concentration.
Are the crowds quiet when penalty shots are taken? I don't routinely watch soccer, but I don't recall much reduction in crowd noise during penalty shots. Maybe I'm wrong. Certainly, penalty points in basketball are usually when crowd noise is at a height, yet players learn to concentrate through the noise.

If players got used to crowd noise during their serves, then they won't get distracted. It's all what you are accustomed to.

Personally, I would like to see tennis be as fan-friendly as it can be, and letting the crowd make appropriate noise is part of being fan-friendly.

rofe
09-08-2006, 11:32 PM
Are the crowds quiet when penalty shots are taken? I don't routinely watch soccer, but I don't recall much reduction in crowd noise during penalty shots. Maybe I'm wrong. Certainly, penalty points in basketball are usually when crowd noise is at a height, yet players learn to concentrate through the noise.

If players got used to crowd noise during their serves, then they won't get distracted. It's all what you are accustomed to.

Personally, I would like to see tennis be as fan-friendly as it can be, and letting the crowd make appropriate noise is part of being fan-friendly.

No, the crowds are not quiet but they are sufficiently far away that you don't hear individual noises. Individual noises get lost in the white noise of the crowd.

In tennis, it is much more intimate. In fact, if everyone in the crowd is cheering or booing when the player serves it won't affect the player because white noise is pretty similar to silence but if everyone is quiet and a single person shouts or screams then it is a big distraction. That is what I wanted to point out.

Scotso
09-09-2006, 12:37 AM
Tennis is supposed to be a classy sport. Of course, most people on this board don't know what that means.

AgassiDomination
09-09-2006, 12:58 AM
Tennis is supposed to be a classy sport. Of course, most people on this board don't know what that means.
Tennis is supposed to be a classy sport? God, get a grip on reality. And for once, stop with the constant bickering!

That is all. :D

Mechlan
09-09-2006, 02:12 AM
No, the crowds are not quiet but they are sufficiently far away that you don't hear individual noises. Individual noises get lost in the white noise of the crowd.

In tennis, it is much more intimate. In fact, if everyone in the crowd is cheering or booing when the player serves it won't affect the player because white noise is pretty similar to silence but if everyone is quiet and a single person shouts or screams then it is a big distraction. That is what I wanted to point out.

I agree with this. If there was a consistent sheet of noise like in basketball or football, the players would deal with it. It's three or four people shouting at exactly the wrong time that's actually more distracting.

tennisphan
09-09-2006, 02:31 AM
I dont think anyone is trying to deny that there is a natural home field advantage, but the J-Dorks just push it to far.

The worst is when they try to get the UUU SSSS AAAA cheer going. You know they are getting pretty desperate then ;)