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Credit to Federer....

Sjengster
09-08-2006, 03:37 AM
It takes a very special talent indeed to do this in one year:

AO R128: def. Istomin 6-2, 6-3 (*5-1), 6-2
AO Q: def. Davydenko 6-4 (*5-3), 3-6, 7-6, 7-6
Rome Q: def. Almagro 6-3, 6-7 (*5-4), 7-5
RG R32: def. Massu 6-1, 6-2, 6-7 (*6-5), 7-5
Halle F: def. Berdych 6-0, 6-7 (*5-3), 6-2
Wimbledon R32: def. Mahut 6-3, 7-6, 6-4 (*5-3)
Wimbledon F: def. Nadal 6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3 (*5-1)
Toronto QF: def. Malisse 7-6, 6-7 (*5-4), 6-3
USO R128: def. Wang 6-4, 6-1 (*5-0, 40-0), 6-0
USO R64: def. Henman 6-3, 6-4 (*5-2), 7-5
USO QF: def. Blake 7-6 (*5-4), 6-0, 6-7 (*5-3), 6-4 (*5-2)

This latest effort was the most impressive yet, managing it three times in one match. Has there ever been another player who made it to a Grand Slam SF with the only breaks against their serve in the whole tournament coming when they served for a set/match?

FedererGrandSlam
09-08-2006, 03:39 AM
Who cares?

rofe
09-08-2006, 03:39 AM
Don't even remind me. Players are stepping up so I won't say it is a choke job all the way but he used to be able to get good serves in at key moments...

nobama
09-08-2006, 03:40 AM
This deserves it's own thread? :shrug:

yanchr
09-08-2006, 03:41 AM
He choked two time today, the last serving-for-match break being due to Blake's great play. But look at his two ridiculous fh misses in the last game when he finally served it out...hilarious...I could only laugh at that :haha: :retard:

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 03:42 AM
Who cares?

:worship:

Tommy_Vercetti
09-08-2006, 03:42 AM
Yes, but please play like this if you meet Andy in the final.

He might actually have a chance then.

*Viva Chile*
09-08-2006, 03:42 AM
This deserves it's own thread? :shrug:
look again at your sig ;) :p

Regenbogen
09-08-2006, 03:43 AM
I don't get it, it seems like it didn't really happen until this year. Makes for some very nervewracking matches when they shouldn't have been

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 03:43 AM
He choked two time today, the last serving-for-match break being due to Blake's great play. But look at his two ridiculous fh misses in the last game when he finally served it out...hilarious...I could only laugh at that :haha: :retard:

laugh if you must.....I see he won the match, now into the semi's as he goes for 3 GS's in a calender yr--now that would be worth a hearty laugh, dont ya think?.....

FedererGrandSlam
09-08-2006, 03:44 AM
Don't even remind me. Players are stepping up so I won't say it is a choke job all the way but he used to be able to get good serves in at key moments...
Bullshit.

In tonight's match, there were three real key moments:

First set tie-break.
Fourth set, 0-1 0-40.
Fourth set, 5-4.

He got through all three.
These were crucial for the MATCH.

Losing serve at 5-4 in the first, well it was still 5-5.
Losing the third set tie-break, he was still up 2-1 in sets.
Losing serve at 5-2 in the fourth, he was still up a break.

So as long as he's never been in danger of losing the match, who cares?

Sjengster
09-08-2006, 03:44 AM
This deserves it's own thread? :shrug:

It's the wrong place to post it, but the topic deserves to be raised after tonight's match. If the admins so desire it, it can be moved into the Federer forum. :p

This isn't something that's just happened this year BTW, there were easily half a dozen instances of it last year as well.

rofe
09-08-2006, 03:46 AM
Well even though he got nervous, I think he is allowed that. We tend to expect perfection from him so I am ok with him choking once in a while.

Dirk
09-08-2006, 03:48 AM
It's the wrong place to post it, but the topic deserves to be raised after tonight's match. If the admins so desire it, it can be moved into the Federer forum. :p

This isn't something that's just happened this year BTW, there were easily half a dozen instances of it last year as well.

Don't go through all those ones too, PLEASE! :o

rofe
09-08-2006, 03:48 AM
Bullshit.

In tonight's match, there were three real key moments:

First set tie-break.
Fourth set, 0-1 0-40.
Fourth set, 5-4.

He got through all three.
These were crucial for the MATCH.

Losing serve at 5-4 in the first, well it was still 5-5.
Losing the third set tie-break, he was still up 2-1 in sets.
Losing serve at 5-2 in the fourth, he was still up a break.

So as long as he's never been in danger of losing the match, who cares?

The point is that there was no need to choke because as you pointed out, he was ahead.

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 03:48 AM
Bullshit.

In tonight's match, there were three real key moments:

First set tie-break.
Fourth set, 0-1 0-40.
Fourth set, 5-4.

He got through all three.
These were crucial for the MATCH.

Losing serve at 5-4 in the first, well it was still 5-5.
Losing the third set tie-break, he was still up 2-1 in sets.
Losing serve at 5-2 in the fourth, he was still up a break.

So as long as he's never been in danger of losing the match, who cares?



exactly, but somehow it's pertinent to the title author that has taken 15-20 minutes of his time to post these matches where Fed illustrates a 'choking' tendency---gee, isn't he human?........and gee, does he not WIN the matches?

:wavey:

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 03:49 AM
The point is that there was no need to choke because as you pointed out, he was ahead.

the point is he's human....the point is HE WON ALL THOSE MATCHES....the point is he may win his 3rd GS in a calender yr....

FedererGrandSlam
09-08-2006, 03:51 AM
The point is that there was no need to choke because as you pointed out, he was ahead.
Well maybe he didn't choke but just had a concentration lapse.

I'm not saying that he couldn't have won easier tonight. But as long as he got through it, how can we blame him?

yanchr
09-08-2006, 03:51 AM
laugh if you must.....I see he won the match, now into the semi's as he goes for 3 GS's in a calender yr--now that would be worth a hearty laugh, dont ya think?.....
I could laugh cuz I had full faith still, even if he choked like this :retard: ;) That's part of the amusement in his matches nowadays. As long as he won, I hardly had any problem...But against a player like Nadal, he simply couldn't afford such mind distraction.

Anyway, I think today the crowd got him a bit, esp when serving for set/match. He'd better get prepared for the possibly worse senario in the final if its Roddick

Regenbogen
09-08-2006, 03:52 AM
This isn't something that's just happened this year BTW, there were easily half a dozen instances of it last year as well.
Ah okay I guess I just never really noticed it before

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 03:53 AM
I could laugh cuz I had full faith still, even if he choked like this :retard: ;) That's part of the amusement in his matches nowadays. As long as he won, I hardly had any problem...But against a player like Nadal, he simply couldn't afford such mind distraction.

Anyway, I think today the crowd got him a bit, esp when serving for set/match. He'd better get prepared for the possibly worse senario in the final if its Roddick

yep, crowd was terrible at times, embarrassing really......ah New York....

Sjengster
09-08-2006, 03:53 AM
exactly, but somehow it's pertinent to the title author that has taken 15-20 minutes of his time to post these matches where Fed illustrates a 'choking' tendency---gee, isn't he human?........and gee, does he not WIN the matches?

:wavey:

That took less than 10 minutes, I remember 'em well. :p It doesn't matter if he went on to win the set, though it's a poor lapse in concentration, but look at how many times on that list he has gone on to lose the set after serving for it. Not exactly great clutch play from the best player in the game. And before you ask, I'm not a hater at all, I just think that repeated failures to this extent have to be pointed out at some stage.

rofe
09-08-2006, 03:54 AM
Well maybe he didn't choke but just had a concentration lapse.

I'm not saying that he couldn't have won easier tonight. But as long as he got through it, how can we blame him?

It is quite simple. When he is in a winning position, he needs to close it out. I can understand if Blake plays out of his mind and breaks Fed. That did not happen. Blake kept the ball in play in the 3rd and Fed duly obliged with a bunch of UEs. In the 4th, Blake did step it up so I won't call it a choke job.

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 03:55 AM
That took less than 10 minutes, I remember 'em well. :p It doesn't matter if he went on to win the set, though it's a poor lapse in concentration, but look at how many times on that list he has gone on to lose the set after serving for it. Not exactly great clutch play from the best player in the game. And before you ask, I'm not a hater at all, I just think that repeated failures to this extent have to be pointed out at some stage.

point these 'failures' if you must, thks.

'failure'? :lol: .......i thought he won?........

rofe
09-08-2006, 03:56 AM
That took less than 10 minutes, I remember 'em well. :p It doesn't matter if he went on to win the set, though it's a poor lapse in concentration, but look at how many times on that list he has gone on to lose the set after serving for it. Not exactly great clutch play from the best player in the game. And before you ask, I'm not a hater at all, I just think that repeated failures to this extent have to be pointed out at some stage.

Yeah but unless Fed gets to hear from you how are you going to use that stat?

shotgun
09-08-2006, 03:56 AM
Sjengster, do you keep track of the point-by-point scores of every Federer match? :eek:

World Beater
09-08-2006, 03:57 AM
It takes a very special talent indeed to do this in one year:

AO R128: def. Istomin 6-2, 6-3 (*5-1), 6-2
AO Q: def. Davydenko 6-4 (*5-3), 3-6, 7-6, 7-6
Rome Q: def. Almagro 6-3, 6-7 (*5-4), 7-5
RG R32: def. Massu 6-1, 6-2, 6-7 (*6-5), 7-5
Halle F: def. Berdych 6-0, 6-7 (*5-3), 6-2
Wimbledon R32: def. Mahut 6-3, 7-6, 6-4 (*5-3)
Wimbledon F: def. Nadal 6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3 (*5-1)
Toronto QF: def. Malisse 7-6, 6-7 (*5-4), 6-3
USO R128: def. Wang 6-4, 6-1 (*5-0, 40-0), 6-0
USO R64: def. Henman 6-3, 6-4 (*5-2), 7-5
USO QF: def. Blake 7-6 (*5-4), 6-0, 6-7 (*5-3), 6-4 (*5-2)

This latest effort was the most impressive yet, managing it three times in one match. Has there ever been another player who made it to a Grand Slam SF with the only breaks against their serve in the whole tournament coming when they served for a set/match?

hey...i made a thread just like this a while ago...you could have just bumped that ;)

Sjengster
09-08-2006, 03:58 AM
Yeah but unless Fed gets to hear from you how are you going to use that stat?

Good point, maybe I should email it to him. ;)

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 03:58 AM
Sjengster, do you keep track of the point-by-point scores of every Federer match? :eek:

:lol:

someone has to remind him he's 'human'....not some genetic mutation...

Sjengster
09-08-2006, 03:58 AM
hey...i made a thread just like this a while ago...you could have just bumped that ;)

I knew it, I knew you were the one who first raised that topic - OK, I might just add these to the list.

rofe
09-08-2006, 03:59 AM
Good point, maybe I should email it to him. ;)

Or post it at his website - I heard he reads it... :)

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 03:59 AM
Good point, maybe I should email it to him. ;)

he would laugh at it and ask you how many of those matches he LOST..... ;)

Sjengster
09-08-2006, 04:00 AM
Sjengster, do you keep track of the point-by-point scores of every Federer match? :eek:

To try and keep track of every single point in Federer's matches would be ridiculously sad. To catalogue every failed attempt to serve out a set/match is simply showing a healthy interest in the man's career. ;)

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 04:01 AM
To try and keep track of every single point in Federer's matches would be ridiculously sad. To catalogue every failed attempt to serve out a set/match is simply showing a healthy interest in the man's career. ;)

or an unhealthy obsession..... ;)

Idi the Nigerian
09-08-2006, 04:01 AM
I wish I got a $1 everytime federer doesnt serve out a set. Then I could get out of the cheque fraud business.

World Beater
09-08-2006, 04:02 AM
I knew it, I knew you were the one who first raised that topic - OK, I might just add these to the list.

yes it is an interesting stat for sure...

he always seems to play like this when he's ahead...never when behind. it seems like he wants to finish matches with style, but when he is down he plays percentages and wins the key pts.

anyways, the old thread that i made, you included some key data, so it might save some work to remember all of them, given he does it very often

World Beater
09-08-2006, 04:04 AM
im happy in a way that he played loosely this match because it resulted in some fantastic tennis.

he better not do it against roddick, or nadal

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 04:04 AM
he does it very often? really?

what percentage of his sets has he failed to close in calender yr 2006?...maybe you or your buddy can post that

thks in advance.

;)

R.Federer
09-08-2006, 04:17 AM
Nice stats, Sjengster.
Not nice in what they convey, but didn't realize how many chokes he's had. I guess he's little less cool underneath his ice man demeanor

nobama
09-08-2006, 04:19 AM
Once he starts loosing matches like this on a regular basis then I'll be concerned.

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 04:22 AM
Nice stats, Sjengster.
Not nice in what they convey, but didn't realize how many chokes he's had. I guess he's little less cool underneath his ice man demeanor

nonsense--he pointed out 12 matches. How about his other 52 matches that he also won? did he 'fail to close those out too'?.....you do realize he WON those matches--he didn't fall apart after his 'failure', he showed resolve and WON THE MATCH

hilarious

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 04:24 AM
Once he starts loosing matches like this on a regular basis then I'll be concerned.

exaclty, the man has lost 9 matches in two yrs....... :lol:

just can't please everyone, they look for 'failures'....

robrulz5
09-08-2006, 04:26 AM
Federer seemed real relaxed on court. I doubt it bothered him all that much.

TenHound
09-08-2006, 04:40 AM
You doubt that it bothered him much? Right he probably doesn't even remember it. Probably just stuck out his tongue right after the match 'cuz he had a splinter in it :)

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 04:41 AM
You doubt that it bothered him much? Right he probably doesn't even remember it. Probably just stuck out his tongue right after the match 'cuz he had a splinter in it :)

he'll be fine, he moves on to Super Saturday.....Blake gets to play with the J-Block nutters.....

atheneglaukopis
09-08-2006, 04:44 AM
Fifteen bagels this year and counting.

Leo
09-08-2006, 05:00 AM
It only matters if he can't break back the next game. He can and does.

Fedex
09-08-2006, 05:04 AM
Federer has blown some leads when serving for it, but he still won all those matches, and thats all that really matters.

Fedex
09-08-2006, 05:08 AM
I could laugh cuz I had full faith still, even if he choked like this :retard: ;) That's part of the amusement in his matches nowadays. As long as he won, I hardly had any problem...But against a player like Nadal, he simply couldn't afford such mind distraction.

Anyway, I think today the crowd got him a bit, esp when serving for set/match. He'd better get prepared for the possibly worse senario in the final if its Roddick
The crowd coulden't possibly be any more hostile for the final then what it was tonight. Blake has always been more of a fan favorite here in NY than Roddick has anyway. And the final wont be played at night, and that always contributes to the crowds energy.

Corey Feldman
09-08-2006, 05:18 AM
Nice stuff sjengster, you even forgot the classic rome final when he blew 4-1*, 5-4* 40-15 and 5-3 in the TB.

World Beater
09-08-2006, 05:19 AM
Nice stuff sjengster, you even forgot the classic rome final when he blew 4-1*, 5-4* 40-15 and 5-2 in the TB.

never served for the match though

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 05:20 AM
think there may have been an Andrew Murray sighting on Wed...... :lol:

Corey Feldman
09-08-2006, 05:21 AM
oh, so it was only the serving blows? ah
i thought the list didnt look long enough for this years braincramps :lol:

Freddi22cl
09-08-2006, 05:23 AM
yeah, with all those loses piling up......what's it up to, 5? ........ :lol:

RonE
09-08-2006, 05:50 AM
Sjengster- on a side note you should take the positives away from this situation. If you look at all the times Federer has reached the semifinal of a GS, the only two times he lost in the semis was when he won all his previous matches in straight sets. If he won his semi in a slam up till now he lost at least one set somewhere along the way except for this year's Wimbledon. So dropping that 3rd set will bode him well for his match on Saturday if statistics are anything to go by :p

mecir72
09-08-2006, 06:22 AM
I think it is very interesting too. It is pretty clear that the majority of the times he loses serve are when serving for matches or sets. Atleast it gives him something to work on. Pete seemed less likely than ever to lose serve when serving for the match for instance. But then again Roger's game is different. I would find it interesting if someone were to ask him this in a press conference.

Bagelicious
09-08-2006, 06:37 AM
Fifteen bagels this year and counting.

Will he be able to capture the 'Golden Bagel Award' for the second time this year?

*waits in breathless anticipation*

Mimi
09-08-2006, 07:22 AM
actually i admire him so much coz even he choked sometimes, but at the end he always win and thats the most important thing :worship:

MurrayFan1
09-08-2006, 07:35 AM
laugh if you must.....I see he won the match, now into the semi's as he goes for 3 GS's in a calender yr--now that would be worth a hearty laugh, dont ya think?.....

Agreed. I hate people when they take the piss out of players for choking and then still win. It's such a lame cheap shot.

oz_boz
09-08-2006, 10:23 AM
Interesting Sjengster. Federer version pre-2004 is not completely gone and will probably never be. It will be interesting to see what happens if he gets under pressure for the #1 spot, and what follows after he has lost it.

Io non ho paura
09-08-2006, 02:20 PM
Who cares?

Maybe people who create thread like this care :lol: maybe they like to wear lab coat also I think. Why pay time to stats like these??

Just Cause
09-09-2006, 02:51 AM
Interesting read, but champions like Roger can pull out their tricks even when the environment is not optimal. That's what Roger did and I appreciate it.

adee-gee
09-10-2006, 09:19 PM
Well he won the 1st set but there was another to add to your collection Sjengy :)