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Why exactly does the US Open have a 5th set tie break?

cloudeleven
09-06-2006, 09:50 PM
After witnessing that Marat 5th set TB travesty today, I have to wonder why the USO has this stupid rule. The other Grand Slams don't. What's the reasoning?!

It really seems unfair (to the loser, at least) to have a 3+ hour match decided by a few points at the very end, especially when both players have held serve in the 5th set (like Marat and Tommy did today).

For the record, even before this match, I thought the USO 5th set TB was stupid. Maybe we should start a protest. Get rid of the 5th set TB, USO!

Carlita
09-06-2006, 09:54 PM
otherwise the matches would be too long.......:rolleyes: for television....for the spectators.....:rolleyes:

I agree....stupid rule!

cloudeleven
09-06-2006, 10:06 PM
otherwise the matches would be too long.......:rolleyes: for television....for the spectators.....:rolleyes:

If they've sat there for 3 hours, they can sit there for another 30 minutes, I say.

Some of our baseball games are well over 4 hours. They don't mind broadcasting those on TV.

LaTenista
09-06-2006, 10:08 PM
With the amount of rain during this tournament I couldn't imagine having matches going 11-9 in the 5th. :eek: It's only 2 weeks and already several days have been washed out.

cloudeleven
09-06-2006, 10:13 PM
The official reason… is tradition…. It was always considered to be an easier way of maintaining a strict schedule of play

Why don't the other Grand Slams have this "tradition" then? They have the same strict scheduling challenges.

dmit424
09-06-2006, 10:14 PM
Why not? Other non-grandslam tourneys don't do it... 1st-4th sets don't exclude a tiebreak... Why the 5th set? The 5th is played like any of the first 4, I don't see why that's so wrong...

And also, a tiebreak in a 5th set makes it less likely that the 5th will be won because the other player started cramping... In some aspects, it makes the 5th set more about skill and a player's ability to play the biggest points well, which is nice.

That's not to say I'm against a no-tiebreak 5th, because it could be argued that this method is actually more demonstrative of a player's skill level as it forces one to stay on serve and also accomplish the most difficult thing in a tennis match, which is to break.

I like both formats.

dmit424
09-06-2006, 10:15 PM
After witnessing that Marat 5th set TB travesty today, I have to wonder why the USO has this stupid rule. The other Grand Slams don't. What's the reasoning?! :shout:

It really seems unfair (to the loser, at least) to have a 3+ hour match decided by a few points at the very end, especially when both players have held serve in the 5th set (like Marat and Tommy did today).

For the record, even before this match, I thought the USO 5th set TB was stupid. Maybe we should start a protest. Get rid of the 5th set TB, USO!

Boo hoo. And if it was Haas that lost, would you be posting?

shotgun
09-06-2006, 10:15 PM
After witnessing that Marat 5th set TB travesty today, I have to wonder why the USO has this stupid rule. The other Grand Slams don't. What's the reasoning?! :shout:

It really seems unfair (to the loser, at least) to have a 3+ hour match decided by a few points at the very end, especially when both players have held serve in the 5th set (like Marat and Tommy did today).

For the record, even before this match, I thought the USO 5th set TB was stupid. Maybe we should start a protest. Get rid of the 5th set TB, USO!

Funny I didn't see you starting a thread when Marat beat Nalbandian in the fifth set tie-break on Sunday. :p

ASP0315
09-06-2006, 10:16 PM
I hate Tie Break rule in the fifith set. Winning a tie break is just like winning a lottery ticket. Nalbandian should have won that match against safin but got unlucky with the netcords. Same thing happened to Ginepri and Safin. Haas has already won two lottery tickets. Obviously players who rely on thier service games will definetly have a good advantage.:devil:. Obviously some players like tie breaks and does no lke playing long matches.


I hope US Open scraps this tie break rule in the fifth set in future.

Balerion
09-06-2006, 10:17 PM
Non-conformity is a good thing.

Speaking of baseball, one of the really cool things about that sport is how each stadium is significantly different in their dimensions. It gives each park certain advantages and disadvantages, favors certain strategies and certain styles of play. It makes things interesting.

Each of the four Grand Slams have certain aspects to them that are unique. Keep it that way.

cloudeleven
09-06-2006, 10:17 PM
Boo hoo. And if it was Haas that lost, would you be posting?

Does it matter? I'm simply wondering why there is a 5th set tie break in only one of the four grand slams.

And like I said, I thought it was a stupid rule before today's match.

Macbrother
09-06-2006, 10:19 PM
A fifth set tiebreak forces you to make every shot count. Both players know that going in. Safin blew several critical points despite being up 3-1 at one point, he simply broke down mentally. It's easier for scheduling and puts less physical strain on the players. I think both style 5th sets have their advantages however and I think some diversity between slams is a good thing.

ASP0315
09-06-2006, 10:19 PM
After witnessing that Marat 5th set TB travesty today, I have to wonder why the USO has this stupid rule. The other Grand Slams don't. What's the reasoning?! :shout:

It really seems unfair (to the loser, at least) to have a 3+ hour match decided by a few points at the very end, especially when both players have held serve in the 5th set (like Marat and Tommy did today).

For the record, even before this match, I thought the USO 5th set TB was stupid. Maybe we should start a protest. Get rid of the 5th set TB, USO!
Do you agree that Nabaldian should have won that match against Safin?
Or you are posting because it did not favor Safin Today?:lol:

cloudeleven
09-06-2006, 10:23 PM
Or you are posting because it did not favor Safin Today?

I'm posting because it's a legitimate question. :rolleyes:

cloudeleven
09-06-2006, 10:35 PM
The Whole reason they have the 5th set TB is solely for TV

I think this is probably the actual reason. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Neely
09-07-2006, 12:22 AM
If it's okay to win other matches in a deciding set tiebreak, why shouldn't it be okay for a US Open match, too? Everybody knows the rules before they play. Granted, for the viewer an advantage set can be more interesting and I personally am no friend of this decision.

But just saying, 'tiebreak is luck/lottery' does not work in arguing. In the tiebreak the player who is winning two more points at the end than his opponent makes the race, and it's up to these players who can do this best, concentrating for every point and treating every point with the same value. Missing a high volley or throwing in a double fault at 40-0 in your own service game might not hurt you much during the set, but in the tiebreak that's a different story.

Fedever
09-07-2006, 12:39 AM
After witnessing that Marat 5th set TB travesty today, I have to wonder why the USO has this stupid rule. The other Grand Slams don't. What's the reasoning?!

It really seems unfair (to the loser, at least) to have a 3+ hour match decided by a few points at the very end, especially when both players have held serve in the 5th set (like Marat and Tommy did today).

For the record, even before this match, I thought the USO 5th set TB was stupid. Maybe we should start a protest. Get rid of the 5th set TB, USO!

I agree completely. It is unfair and I have never liked it. Count me in on the protest!!! :mad:

drf716
09-07-2006, 02:54 AM
yes
but
i don't like protests

Dusk Soldier
09-07-2006, 05:02 AM
Didn't it use to be only the Wimbledon Men's final that didn't have the tiebreak?

Winston's Human
09-07-2006, 05:06 AM
The 5th set tiebreaker is driven by the demands of the US Open's television contracts much like their other grand slam anomalies such as Saturday semifinals and separate night sessions.

megadeth
09-07-2006, 05:55 AM
it's what would make the USO unique. let's check out the char...

1. AO - has roof, wouldn't mind playing indoors, although almost same surface as USO, the heat factor is what makes the AO unique.. +2 in the final set

2. FO - clay, obviously... 'nuff said.... +2 in the final set

3. W - grass... +2 in the final set

4. USO - not much difference except for the rowdy busy surroundings and the 5th set TB... no rain contingency plan unlike the first 3 slams

Action Jackson
09-07-2006, 05:56 AM
TV rules the way.

World Beater
09-07-2006, 06:59 AM
usopen has a lot of gimmicks...this appears to be one of them