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Can Nadal realistically Overcome Hewitt/Roddick in Semis?

Jaffas85
09-06-2006, 03:21 AM
I think its overwhelmingly likely that Nadal will reach the semis yet against experienced fast paced hardcourt players like Roddick and Hewitt I can't see him making the final. Nadal may win a set but he won't win the match.

Also, between Roddick and Hewitt who would have the greater ability to defeat Nadal in the semis?

Thanks.

World Beater
09-06-2006, 03:26 AM
roddick can play like shi%t and still have a chance of beating nadal because of his serve on this surface. Hewitt will have to play really well though to win

its.like.that
09-06-2006, 03:32 AM
With that return of serve and determination, I DEFINITELY can't see Nadal making it to the final.

He's lucky to have made it to the 2nd week...

:retard:

dmit424
09-06-2006, 03:34 AM
Do you know how to make a proper poll?

JW10S
09-06-2006, 03:41 AM
Can Nadal overcome Roddick or Hewitt? Yes.

Jimnik
09-06-2006, 03:47 AM
The winner of Hewitt-Roddick will beat Rafa in the semis.
I don't see Rafa controlling the rallies the way he does on a slow court.

selesfan
09-06-2006, 04:00 AM
Nadal will beat the winner of Andy/Lleyton

bad gambler
09-06-2006, 04:02 AM
crazy man

MisterQ
09-06-2006, 04:07 AM
Nadal can win against either player. But it's certainly not a given.

nkhera1
09-06-2006, 04:13 AM
Nadal has a good chance against either player if he plays well. I've heard that Hewitt doesn't like high balls and I don't know if Hewitt has the weapons to beat Nadal. He will have a much easier time with Roddick than with Hewitt because he should win 99% of the neutral rallies with the way Roddick is hitting the ball.

kisses
09-06-2006, 06:44 AM
i want to see a Roddick VS Nadal match
think that has never happenned before, right?

DrJules
09-06-2006, 06:51 AM
Nadal has a good chance against either player if he plays well. I've heard that Hewitt doesn't like high balls and I don't know if Hewitt has the weapons to beat Nadal. He will have a much easier time with Roddick than with Hewitt because he should win 99% of the neutral rallies with the way Roddick is hitting the ball.

Yes.
Roddick and Nadal should each control their service games. It could come down to mental toughness in tie-breaks.

Overall it is too close to call between these 3. There is little between them at this event and on this court.

DrJules
09-06-2006, 06:53 AM
roddick can play like shi%t and still have a chance of beating nadal because of his serve on this surface.

The Nadal serve has been very difficult to break.

jenanun
09-06-2006, 06:58 AM
yes

World Beater
09-06-2006, 06:58 AM
The Nadal serve has been very difficult to break.

tie breaks, my friend...

dmit424
09-06-2006, 07:00 AM
Andy Roddick - 82% 1st serve pts, 57% 2nd serve pts
Rafael Nadal - 79% 1st serve pts, 64% 2nd serve pts

Close enough, no?

mrserenawilliams
09-06-2006, 07:17 AM
Nadal will reach the final regardless oh whom he plays

disturb3d
09-06-2006, 07:21 AM
Can Nadal overcome Hewitt/Roddick in Semis??

Stupidest thing Ive heard on MTF. No exaggeration whatsoever.

nkhera1
09-06-2006, 08:18 AM
Nadal has a better chance in tiebreakers than Roddick does looking at their tiebreak record at the US open.

Viken01
09-06-2006, 09:03 AM
With that return of serve and determination, I DEFINITELY can't see Nadal making it to the final.

He's lucky to have made it to the 2nd week...

:retard:

well he had easy draw, i think he will reach the final even if i'd like hewitt or roddick to reach the final to be honest;)

~EMiLiTA~
09-06-2006, 09:21 AM
i want to see a Roddick VS Nadal match
think that has never happenned before, right?

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Roddick%2C+Andy&playernum1=R485&player2=Nadal%2C+Rafael

Adler
09-06-2006, 09:22 AM
Nadal will reach the final regardless oh whom he plays
agree. Hewitt/Roddick would have to play the match of life to defeat Rafa and Rafa would have to play at least a bit weaker than during the rest of the Open. No chance for both

cmurray
09-06-2006, 12:51 PM
Why do people continue to underestimate Rafa? He's been playing exquisite grand slam tennis this year. Let's look at it this way. Andy isn't the world's best returner, either. Rafa has just as good a shot to break Andy as Andy has of breaking Rafa. And as for Hewitt...well, there's no denying he's good on hards, but Rafa is even quicker than he is. I think Rafa would be difficult for Lleyton.


Cheryl

stebs
09-06-2006, 12:56 PM
Nadal can beat Roddick or Hewitt and Roddick or Hewitt can beat Nadal.

cmurray
09-06-2006, 12:59 PM
Nadal can beat Roddick or Hewitt and Roddick or Hewitt can beat Nadal.


The quote of the day. :lol:

And true.

kabuki
09-06-2006, 01:00 PM
I don't think that Lleyton's game matches up well against Rafa, even though he has the record edge. As Rafa continues to develop, I think Lleyton will find it harder and harder to beat him, esp with a bum knee.

As for Andy, he will have to play better to trouble Rafa, because the serve will not be the deciding factor. Their serve numbers are within spitting distance of each other, and the mitigating factor is that Andy is one of the worst returners in the game, and Rafa is one of the best.

Andy will actually have to try to hit out to beat Rafa. I don't think he has the confidence to do it consistently. We'll see.

eddie_hyden
09-06-2006, 01:04 PM
roddick's serve is tough to break, so do nadal's.

roddick's return is crap, but nadal's is not.

go figure.

Neverstopfightin
09-06-2006, 01:44 PM
If Hewitt defeats Roddick Nadal has a lot of chances to reach the final since the fact of Rafa defeating Hewitt on hard is just a matter of time and besides Hewitt isn't at his best of form and physical condition. If Roddick is his opponent Rafa would suffer a lot and the result of this semis is uncertain to me . I would say the 99% of Rafa's fans are rooting for Hewitt to defeat Andy

Lleyton and Federer's game suits Rafa much more than Roddick's.

scoobs
09-06-2006, 01:48 PM
I would have thought a lot depends on whether the ankle complaint Rafa had in his Novak match will get better or worse.

atpSUPERMAN
09-06-2006, 02:58 PM
I personally think Nadal will defeat both Roddick and Hewitt in straight sets.

atpSUPERMAN
09-06-2006, 02:59 PM
Lets not forget Nadal beat Federer on hardcourt this year. Lets face it, he has no weakness.

Fumus
09-06-2006, 03:00 PM
I pick Nadal over both. Rafa will dig a few points out against Andy in a couple tbs to secure a win. Rafa will have tougher time against Andy.

Against Lleyton, Rafa will hit those high balls Lleyton doesn't like and Rafa will be able to win rallies from the back of the court. It will be a tougher match for Lleyton to win.

NeverSayDie
09-06-2006, 05:41 PM
He could beat Hewitt but im a bit :unsure: about Roddick

Scotso
09-06-2006, 06:26 PM
Nadal will beat either of them... where is that option?

Jimnik
09-06-2006, 06:39 PM
Lets not forget Nadal beat Federer on hardcourt this year. Lets face it, he has no weakness.
Another person who follows this logic:

Nadal beats Federer
Federer beats Hewitt/Roddick
Therefore...
Nadal beats Hewitt/Roddick :rolleyes:

When are people going to learn that tennis is about match-ups.

mickymouse
09-06-2006, 06:52 PM
It's 50/50. Nadal can overcome Hewitt/Roddick but he can also be overcome by them.

scolvin
09-06-2006, 06:55 PM
Another person who follows this logic:

Nadal beats Federer
Federer beats Hewitt/Roddick
Therefore...
Nadal beats Hewitt/Roddick :rolleyes:

When are people going to learn that tennis is about match-ups.

Right. That way we could say Andy Murray shouldnt have been beaten by Davydenko because Federer had beat him several times before and Federer had lost to Murray recently. Non sense.

kisses
09-06-2006, 07:00 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Roddick%2C+Andy&playernum1=R485&player2=Nadal%2C+Rafael

OMG thanks :rolleyes: it's a shame i forgot their 2004 DC meet

GlennMirnyi
09-06-2006, 07:06 PM
Roddick no, Hewitt yes.

First he'll have to beat Youzhny. Moonballing his way against Moodie, Horna and semi-retired Novak is easy, but to win against a semi-good player in a hardcourt is another thing... nonsense, actually. I hope something's being done by ATP to stop this slowing of the game. Moonballers should only do something on clay.

GlennMirnyi
09-06-2006, 07:11 PM
Lets not forget Nadal beat Federer on hardcourt this year. Lets face it, he has no weakness.

Yeah, he has no weaknesses...
Except for that he can't volley, can't slice, can't make a flat shot, can't chip, has the ugliest movement of serve except Berlocq and can't make winners. :confused:

Ferrero, the great man who lost to GICQUEL would say something else too. :rolleyes: :loll:

t0x
09-06-2006, 07:14 PM
I don't think Hewitt has much chance.

But if Roddick serves well it could be tough for Rafa. Rafa's returning of fast serves has looked pretty poor. Then again, Roddick is one of the worst returners in the game himself, and I cant see him taking control of many rallies on Rafa's serve.

I give Nadal a good chance against Roddick - but I think Roddick could edge it.

Clara Bow
09-06-2006, 07:15 PM
Except for that he can't volley, can't slice, can't make a flat shot, can't chip, has the ugliest movement of serve except Berlocq and can't make winners

He actually can volleyfairly well -it's not the gretest- but it is not a weakness. His flat backhand was a big asset for him at Wimbledon. He had around 47 winners in his match against Novak.

I know it's easy to just dismiss him as a moonballer- but if you actually look at his game, it's much more than that. He can have very smart shot selection But I know that you will never agree...and never think he has any asset whatsoever....so I don't know why I am even bothering. :p

It's 50/50. Nadal can overcome Hewitt/Roddick but he can also be overcome by them.

I agree.

GlennMirnyi
09-06-2006, 07:21 PM
He actually can volleyfairly well -it's not the gretest- but it is not a weakness. His flat backhand was a big asset for him at Wimbledon. He had around 47 winners in his match against Novak.

I know it's easy to just dismiss him as a moonballer- but if you actually look at his game, it's much more than that. He can have very smart shot selection But I know that you will never agree...and never think he has any asset whatsoever....so I don't know why I am even bothering. :p




He can't volley. One thing is just blocking some ball or other, when your opponent sends an easy ball after completely out of the court. Playing at the net and making an offensive volley when your opponent is returning in good condition, making a good shot, is another thing. Very different, indeed. Much more difficult.

Flat backhand??? :haha: sorry, that was too much.

Clara Bow
09-06-2006, 07:26 PM
Flat backhand??? sorry, that was too much.

He did flatten out his backhand at Wimbledon and the commentators noted that repeatedly.

Anyway, we will never agree. Yes, Nadal has weaknesses. But he is not just a moonballer as you suggest and he adapted his game at Wimbledon. Was it the perfect grass court game? No way- but he did make some good adaptations, including his serve. Tennis writers and commentators noted that as well. But, I see that you don't agree and that is your perogative.

GlennMirnyi
09-06-2006, 07:33 PM
He did flatten out his backhand at Wimbledon and the commentators noted that repeatedly.

Anyway, we will never agree. Yes, Nadal has weaknesses. But he is not just a moonballer as you suggest and he adapted his game at Wimbledon. Was it the perfect grass court game? No way- but he did make some good adaptations, including his serve. Tennis writers and commentators noted that as well. But, I see that you don't agree and that is your perogative.

Wimbledon was pure luck. The first good player on grass bageled him out of nowhere. The only semi-average player he faced almost won, being a 200-something in the rankings.

Clara Bow
09-06-2006, 07:36 PM
Wimbledon was pure luck. The first good player on grass bageled him out of nowhere. The only semi-average player he faced almost won, being a 200-something in the rankings.


I guess you don't think much of Macos then since I guess you think he is less then "semi-average." ;)

GlennMirnyi
09-06-2006, 07:46 PM
I guess you don't think much of Macos then since I guess you think he is less then "semi-average." ;)

Marcos is really weak on grass. ;)

DrJules
09-06-2006, 07:57 PM
A Nadal vs. Roddick match could be a long match with few service breaks. I do not think either player is among the top 5 returners in men tennis. Nadal has too long a backswing on his serve.

vincayou
09-06-2006, 11:16 PM
Only one people talked about Youzhny. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
09-07-2006, 02:55 AM
Only one people talked about Youzhny. :lol:

And that was me. Merci! ;)

nkhera1
09-07-2006, 03:09 AM
I guess you don't think much of Macos then since I guess you think he is less then "semi-average." ;)

Not to mention challenged Federer on grass more than any other player in this tournament.

GlennMirnyi
09-07-2006, 03:09 AM
Not to mention challenged Federer on grass more than any other player in this tournament.

Gettin' bageled is not challenging anything.

nkhera1
09-07-2006, 03:23 AM
Gettin' bageled is not challenging anything.

Who gave him a better fight?

GlennMirnyi
09-07-2006, 03:25 AM
Who gave him a better fight?

Ancic haven't got bageled.

nkhera1
09-07-2006, 03:28 AM
Ancic haven't got bageled.

Ancic didn't win a set off him and have a chance to serve out the set another time.

GlennMirnyi
09-07-2006, 03:31 AM
Ancic didn't win a set off him and have a chance to serve out the set another time.

Haven't got humiliatingly bageled.