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Davydenko: "Federer tank in Cincinnati! "

kokket
09-05-2006, 09:56 PM
...From Nikolay Davydenko on the Roger Federer tank in Cincinnati: "We know already that Federer should have retired before Cincinnati because when he won the event in Toronto (the previous week), I heard from his girlfriend that he was not going to play Cincinnati, so I am surprised that he went there and not surprised that he lost, because when Federer wants to play, he doesn't lose to anybody."

http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2006-09-05/j.php

well i don't know, I think Roger is to ambitious to loos a match to get (perhaps) a better preparation for the USO
i have seen that match and it was really a poor performance from him ( and Andy^^ ) he looked very tiered and if that was acting he should win an Oscar :p

supersexynadal
09-05-2006, 10:19 PM
Mirka was fooling him so that he could tell the whole locker room so that they dont have to practise as much

scoobs
09-05-2006, 10:20 PM
Davydenko steps out of the shadows Ljubicic style.

Not a smart move, PMK.

Johnny Groove
09-05-2006, 10:23 PM
Who is this Davydenko guy? Ive never heard of him until now. Is he like that Ljubicic idiot? :p

Scotso
09-05-2006, 10:28 PM
Davydenko did not say he tanked.

Please, if you're going to be clowns at least find appropriate quotes to back up your idiocy.

Scotso
09-05-2006, 10:28 PM
Who is this Davydenko guy? Ive never heard of him until now.

Wow, you're a true tennis fan.

Johnny Groove
09-05-2006, 10:30 PM
Wow, you're a true tennis fan.

wow, the most obvious sarcasm just went straight over your head :rolleyes:

DrJules
09-05-2006, 10:30 PM
Who is this Davydenko guy? Ive never heard of him until now. Is he like that Ljubicic idiot? :p

Believed to be a tennis player :lol: :lol: :lol:

BlakeorHenman
09-05-2006, 10:30 PM
Tennis players have bad days. A tennis player that is not having a bad day can be beaten by another player who is having an extremely good day. This though is what 80% of Federer fans here seem to be unable to concieve.

Roger didn't look that tired, and the Great One can lose a match because he isn't better on the day. He's a man, not a God.

Lullaby
09-05-2006, 10:31 PM
Tennis players have bad days. A tennis player that is not having a bad day can be beaten by another player who is having an extremely good day. This though is what 80% of Federer fans here seem to be unable to concieve.

Roger didn't look that tired, and the Great One can lose a match because he isn't better on the day. He's a man, not a God.

Exactly - You only had to watch the match today to see another example of this kind of situation ;)

Neely
09-05-2006, 10:32 PM
Davydenko did not say he tanked.

Please, if you're going to be clowns at least find appropriate quotes to back up your idiocy.
Ah, I see. Davydenko is just saying what he was told or heard.

Scotso
09-05-2006, 10:36 PM
Ah, I see. Davydenko is just saying what he was told or heard.

Do you see "Federer tanked." In anything he said? No, all he said was that Federer didn't want to play Cincinnati and he's not suprised he lost.

El Legenda
09-05-2006, 10:37 PM
Who is this Davydenko guy? Ive never heard of him until now. Is he like that Ljubicic idiot? :p

you must be quite stupid not to know who is in the top ten :D

scoobs
09-05-2006, 10:38 PM
Do you see "Federer tanked." In anything he said? No, all he said was that Federer didn't want to play Cincinnati and he's not suprised he lost.
"Because when Federer wants to play, he doesn't lose"

ergo - he tanked.

richie21
09-05-2006, 10:50 PM
well it's obvious that Davydenko was just trying to have a go at Murray before his match against him..... :o

i remember when France played Russia in Davis Cup this year,he was asked about Gasquet and Grosjean and he said that they were just average players..... :o
i just don t like him (and i don t like his game too)

Neely
09-05-2006, 10:51 PM
Okay, now I understand how MBF means it. It's right that Davydenko did not say directly that Federer tanked. What he did was paraphrasing it and indirectly stating it by saying that Federer would not have lost this day, and if he wanted to play because he doesn't lose to anybody.

Vass
09-05-2006, 10:52 PM
It's from tennis-X........

scoobs
09-05-2006, 10:53 PM
Okay, now I understand how MBF means it. It's right that Davydenko did not say directly that Federer tanked. What he did was paraphrasing it and indirectly stating it by saying that Federer would not have lost this day, and if he wanted to play because he doesn't lose to anybody.
Precisely - we can infer from his comments that he doesn't think Roger gave full effort because he didn't want to play ie he tanked.

Johnny Groove
09-05-2006, 10:53 PM
you must be quite stupid not to know who is in the top ten :D

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Safin
4. Fat Dave
5. Roddick
6. Hewitt
7. Gasquet
8. Berdych
9. Djokovic
10. Monfils

I know who is is the top 10 :wavey: :p

El Legenda
09-05-2006, 10:55 PM
1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Safin
4. Fat Dave
5. Roddick
6. Hewitt
7. Gasquet
8. Berdych
9. Djokovic
10. Monfils

I know who is is the top 10 :wavey: :p

talents means shit if you cant win :wavey: how many players have 49+ wins this year?

i win.

:wavey: loser.

scoobs
09-05-2006, 10:57 PM
Oh FFS why does EVERY THREAD end up being about Ivan Ljubicic and the quest to get him some respect?

Johnny Groove
09-05-2006, 10:58 PM
talents means shit if you cant win :wavey: how many players have 49+ wins this year?

i win.

:wavey: loser.

yeah, because win-loss record means everything in determining ranking :rolleyes: and 49 is the magic threshold :rolleyes:

Purple Rainbow
09-05-2006, 10:59 PM
Wow! Davydenko is getting haters! His consistent results the past couple of years must have finally sunk in with the mtf crowd!

DrJules
09-05-2006, 11:08 PM
well it's obvious that Davydenko was just trying to have a go at Murray before his match against him..... :o

i remember when France played Russia in Davis Cup this year,he was asked about Gasquet and Grosjean and he said that they were just average players..... :o
i just don t like him (and i don t like his game too)

:lol: :lol: :lol: Gasquet has more talent than Davydenko and will achieve more in his career.

Johnny Groove
09-05-2006, 11:22 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: Gasquet has more talent than Davydenko and will achieve more in his career.

but more importantly, Richie has much more hair :D

Jogy
09-05-2006, 11:26 PM
haha
now is Davydenko quick on the way of Ljubicics footsteps to say such things? :lol:

more such statements and Davydenko is on a good way to becoming an arrogant Russian prick like his teammaters Youzhny and Andreev

jaffa
09-06-2006, 01:21 AM
its seems that you polish guys dont like russians... why is that ? :devil:

drf716
09-06-2006, 02:57 AM
federer's a shady character...
i take it back hehe.

Scotso
09-06-2006, 03:05 AM
talents means shit if you cant win

for once I agree with you.

dmit424
09-06-2006, 03:26 AM
1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Safin
4. Fat Dave
5. Roddick
6. Hewitt
7. Gasquet
8. Berdych
9. Djokovic
10. Monfils

I know who is is the top 10 :wavey: :p

That's honestly the worst top-10 that I have ever seen.

Davydenko is not a top-10 player, that's for sure.

dmit424
09-06-2006, 03:36 AM
Alot of Russian players are crazy. Davydenko makes these comments, Andreev and Youzhny are pricks. Kafelnikov did it for love of the money. Tursonov pulled that sh1t vs. Gonzales last year (it was him, right?)... Safin, whatever. Yay, he's a fun sexy guy who doesn't take the game seriously!

This is why I don't put much weight into patriotism or anything of the sort. I love tennis, not a-hole players.

Scotso
09-06-2006, 03:47 AM
Davydenko is not a top-10 player, that's for sure.

In what universe?

Check atptennis.com.

It amazes me that people on this board think that just because they dislike someone, they can deny them their rightful place. :shrug: Whatever.

mangoes
09-06-2006, 03:51 AM
That's honestly the worst top-10 that I have ever seen.

Davydenko is not a top-10 player, that's for sure.

Given the fact that Davydenko is one of the more consistent top 3-10 players, I'd say he is more deserving to be on that list than most of those presently on the list.

shotgun
09-06-2006, 03:56 AM
Davydenko would know. Guy is one hell of a match-fixer himself. :lol:

dmit424
09-06-2006, 04:15 AM
In what universe?

Check atptennis.com.

It amazes me that people on this board think that just because they dislike someone, they can deny them their rightful place. :shrug: Whatever.

It amazes that just because a player has no life outside of tennis and plays 32 tourneys, 6 more than anyone else in the top-10 (and 14 more than Nadal and Federer) and 2nd overall in terms of tourneys played (trailing only Tursonov's 33. Heh, another Russian), he is considered top-10.

Corey Feldman
09-06-2006, 04:19 AM
I dont get all this recent bashing of "worst top 10 ever" or players who shouldnt be in the top 10...
every player gains points, if you are good enough to make the points from big events and be ranked 3,4 or 5... then congrats and enough said.
Koyla has won 3 titles this year (ok mickey mouse events) and is one set away from being in the Quarters of 3 of the 4 slams.

Ljubo and Robredo as well.... they are consistent over the last year winning titles, having a great results at TMS events and some good results in the slams - maybe not Robredo in the slams.

dont think Fed tanked, he said himself after cinci that he has went to a few tournaments with low expectation and not thinking he'd win but somehow did win (Halle this year?) so he probably treated cincinnati like that but for once.. lost, nothing more.

dmit424
09-06-2006, 04:44 AM
I think it's just that... alot of the players that are "the real" top-10 have had injury or confidence problems (Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Coria) and it's giving way to players that are solid but are nowhere near as good as those 4 in good health...

Ljubicic, Davydenko, Robredo... would get annihilated on most surfaces by any of those 4, when healthy.

dmit424
09-06-2006, 04:45 AM
Oops, sorry, I guess Roddick is top-10.

hoobSD
09-06-2006, 04:47 AM
It amazes that just because a player has no life outside of tennis and plays 32 tourneys, 6 more than anyone else in the top-10 (and 14 more than Nadal and Federer) and 2nd overall in terms of tourneys played (trailing only Tursonov's 33. Heh, another Russian), he is considered top-10.

And how many players can play that many tournaments without getting injured? It's a testament to Davydenko's fitness.

dmit424
09-06-2006, 04:54 AM
And how many players can play that many tournaments without getting injured? It's a testament to Davydenko's fitness.


I knew someone would say that.

It's a valid point, but for me, I will never consider someone a better tennis player just because they get injured less. For example, Safin will always be a better tennis player than Roddick.

Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Coria all have very sweet trophies sitting at home. Davydenko does not.

bad gambler
09-06-2006, 05:03 AM
Davydenko would know. Guy is one hell of a match-fixer himself. :lol:


:haha:

Corey Feldman
09-06-2006, 05:05 AM
I think it's just that... alot of the players that are "the real" top-10 have had injury or confidence problems (Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Coria) and it's giving way to players that are solid but are nowhere near as good as those 4 in good health...

Ljubicic, Davydenko, Robredo... would get annihilated on most surfaces by any of those 4, when healthy.Fair enough, good point.

Action Jackson
09-06-2006, 05:08 AM
Davydenko would know. Guy is one hell of a match-fixer himself. :lol:

He isn't known as the Poor Mans Kafelnikov just cause of his game now, is he?

CmonAussie
09-06-2006, 05:08 AM
Okay, now I understand how MBF means it. It's right that Davydenko did not say directly that Federer tanked. What he did was paraphrasing it and indirectly stating it by saying that Federer would not have lost this day, and if he wanted to play because he doesn't lose to anybody.
:wavey:
I guess that means that Federer didn`t really want to win the FO this year :p .. Heck if he`d done that then he`d be looking good for a Calendar Slam ;) & nobody in their right mind would want such a burden~ right :confused:

hoobSD
09-06-2006, 05:13 AM
Well, the health issue is kind of similar to the talent thing. You can be the most talented player in the world, but if you get injured, you can't even compete with these so-called "lesser top 10" players.

Then again, you were talking about the "real top 10" in your eyes, all objective anyways. But no one can say they don't "deserve" to be there. Even a one-time run in a major event, which will be called a fluke, doesn't happen for no reason. The player in question raises his level, or takes advantage of his opponents' disadvantages. If they can't create a similar run, their ranking WILL drop, thanks to the balanced ranking system.

As much as I don't like certain players in the top 10 at the moment, they've done their part. With Fed and Nadal soaking up the points, in a way the players don't have to get AS many points to get to the top (tell me if I'm wrong here, getting drowsy :p ). Players have to be able to take whatever opportunity they get, and Robredo (Hamburg), among others, took advantage of this, which in turn represents their current rankings.

alelysafina
09-06-2006, 06:16 AM
If Nikolay didn't deserve to be in the top ten, he wouldn't be. He's worked his ass off for two years playing tournaments, winning matches, and going deep in slams. He's been in the top ten for almost two years, showing that his ranking is no fluke, he's no Shalken.

You say Nikolay doesn't deserve to be in the top ten based on pure talent??? Well where are these talented players?? Oh I know, having a nervous break-down because A bird fell on their side of the court and it rendered them unable to swing a racket properly.

You can bag on consistency all you want, but at the end of the day, that's what gets the job done and matches won.

Monteque
09-06-2006, 01:45 PM
Tennis players have bad days. A tennis player that is not having a bad day can be beaten by another player who is having an extremely good day. This though is what 80% of Federer fans here seem to be unable to concieve.

Roger didn't look that tired, and the Great One can lose a match because he isn't better on the day. He's a man, not a God.

I agree most of you said.
But if you saw that match, believe me, he looked like nothing more spirit for win and extremely tired.

samius
09-06-2006, 01:49 PM
I guess Federer's goal was to win the US Open series so he has the 1,2 million dollars bonus if he wins the US open. That's why he wanted to play Cincinnaty, but he didn't reach his goal :-(

kokket
09-06-2006, 03:34 PM
Davydenko did not say he tanked.

Please, if you're going to be clowns at least find appropriate quotes to back up your idiocy.

omg please...

NYCtennisfan
09-06-2006, 03:35 PM
Davy doing the talking lately and why not? He's been playing really well.

In any case, Federer losing early in Cincy is going to help him here at the Open since he will have to play 4 matches in 5 days to win the tournament.

It is the ultimate measure of respect for Federer because nobody questions when other players lose to talented players occasionally. Since Federer doesn't ever lose, everyone is in shock. Things don't normally work that way on the tour. Most players are used to losing at most of the tournaments they play no matter what the surface.

Adler
09-06-2006, 03:38 PM
I think he was not very determined to win Cincy. He thought he can win such tournament presenting some poor performance, but he was unlucky with the draw and talented and developing Murray knocked him out quite early. It didn't look like he was so bothered about the loss, but I'm sure he was thinking "Damn, why did I go there"

joeb_uk
09-06-2006, 03:45 PM
It is utterly hilarious to hear federer complaining about playing two weeks in a row, and not being able to keep it up and putting that down as a reason for him losing. For Christ sake, the guy hadnít played for ages until those mastersí series events, so it was hardly an accumulative amount of stress.


Maybe davy is disgusted by federers excuses, because davy could play for months continuously :lol: I must admit, federer really embarassed himself by whinging about playing two weeks in a row.

Scotso
09-06-2006, 05:39 PM
Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Coria all have very sweet trophies sitting at home. Davydenko does not.

Coria :confused:

Pigpen Stinks
09-06-2006, 06:03 PM
Coria :confused:

Just what I was thinking.

Pigpen Stinks
09-06-2006, 06:10 PM
Alot of Russian players are crazy. Davydenko makes these comments, Andreev and Youzhny are pricks. Kafelnikov did it for love of the money. Tursonov pulled that sh1t vs. Gonzales last year (it was him, right?)... Safin, whatever. Yay, he's a fun sexy guy who doesn't take the game seriously!

This is why I don't put much weight into patriotism or anything of the sort. I love tennis, not a-hole players.

What exactly qualifies Andreev and Youzhny as pricks? No idea what you're talking about with Tursunov and Gonzalez. Think you've got the wrong guy on that one. As for your Kafelnikov comment, it sounds similar to that Kay guy who wrote that Donald Young is the only hope for the future of tennis.

TheMightyFed
09-06-2006, 06:17 PM
Federer tanked ? No way !!!!

Finns4
09-06-2006, 06:21 PM
Davy is easily one of the best players on the circuit . Love or hate his style of game he is a very very good player. The last two years have been great for him, I feel for him last year in the French after bein beaten by someone taking Performance enhancing drugs. Still he's got some trophy ware this season.

Go the Donkey

Jogy
09-06-2006, 09:37 PM
Maybe davy is disgusted by federers excuses, because davy could play for months continuously :lol: I must admit, federer really embarassed himself by whinging about playing two weeks in a row.
true, Federer is a little cry baby in that situation
just can not deal with it that he lost it and is making excuse

joeb_uk
09-06-2006, 10:05 PM
true, Federer is a little cry baby in that situation
just can not deal with it that he lost it and is making excuse

It would be worrying if it was true, but in all honesty I cannot see it being true. Just a poor attempt at trying make out he wasnt beaten because of the player playing him.

All_Slam_Andre
09-06-2006, 10:13 PM
All players, no matter how good they, are human and vunerable to defeat. Basically Federer lost to a better player on the day. End of story. Federer put 100% effort in but came up short. It happens. When Sampras lost to Bernd Karbacher and Oliver Gross in 1995, I doubt many people went round saying he tanked

jwoodrx
09-06-2006, 10:50 PM
It is utterly hilarious to hear federer complaining about playing two weeks in a row, and not being able to keep it up and putting that down as a reason for him losing. For Christ sake, the guy hadnít played for ages until those mastersí series events, so it was hardly an accumulative amount of stress.


Maybe davy is disgusted by federers excuses, because davy could play for months continuously :lol: I must admit, federer really embarassed himself by whinging about playing two weeks in a row.


I don't think Federer ever complained about it. Just people trying to explain his loss who complained.

All_Slam_Andre
09-06-2006, 10:56 PM
Did Federer whinge? I doubt it. SOME (not all) of his fans did, but he didn't. People really should be bright enough to make this distinction