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Which food will be dining out in the semis? "Potato" Hewitt or "Duckboy" Roddick?

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 04:55 AM
Hewitt and Roddick are meeting up again and will the big match pattern continue, yes I am talking about the Slams and the TMC where Hewitt has won all of the big matches.

Hewitt will love the whole crowd against him as he does in other places, except for Argentina perhaps.

There has been a bit of feeling in a few of their matches and that is a good thing. Though I don't expect 10 min toilet breaks or Hewitt telling Roddick "to have a cracK' like he did in Houston.

Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) vs Andy Roddick (USA)

2001 Miami QF Hard (O) Hewitt 6-3 6-2
2001 French Open 32 Clay (O) Hewitt 6-7(6) 6-4 2-2 RET
2001 U.S. Open QF Hard (O) Hewitt 6-7(5) 6-3 6-4 3-6 6-4
2004 Queen's SF Grass (O) Roddick 7-6 6-3
2004 Tennis Masters Cup SF Hard (O) Hewitt 6-3 6-2
2005 Australian Open SF Hard (O) Hewitt 3-6 7-6 7-6 6-1
2005 Indian Wells SF Hard (O) Hewitt 7-6 6-7 7-6
2005 Cincinnati SF Hard (O) Roddick 6-3 7-6

Hewitt leads 6-2

World Beater
09-05-2006, 04:58 AM
potato, and bacon go well together.

but first roddick Vs. Pong :devil:

:haha:

....oh the irony...last years am ex ads, and this year...andy's going down...it seems like fate

TMJordan
09-05-2006, 05:07 AM
After tonight matches, I would really prefer Hewitt to beat Roddick.

dmit424
09-05-2006, 05:12 AM
potato, and bacon go well together.

but first roddick Vs. Pong :devil:

:haha:

....oh the irony...last years am ex ads, and this year...andy's going down...it seems like fate


:D

ugotlobbed
09-05-2006, 05:14 AM
no one knows, if the pong commercials show up during the match on tv id say roddick

dmit424
09-05-2006, 05:20 AM
Hewitt is going to have an orgasm if Andy starts trying to bash forehands against him.

ugotlobbed
09-05-2006, 05:23 AM
Hewitt is going to have an orgasm if Andy starts trying to bash forehands against him.
that is a really naughty thought by u haha

bad gambler
09-05-2006, 05:26 AM
Roddick in straight sets

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 05:27 AM
Roddick in straight sets

Hello Mr Nadal.

lucashg
09-05-2006, 05:30 AM
Roddick in straight sets

You're trying to jinx him, OMG! :eek: You picked Richard as well! :eek:












But now I really hope it works. :p ;)


Hewitt in 4.

Merton
09-05-2006, 05:33 AM
This is a very interesting match, lets see whether it is as dramatic as the quarterfinal in 2003. Lleyton is not at 100% but I think he will be very motivated for this one. Andy serves great so far but he will need to improve from the baseline to come through. Hewitt in 5.

Merton
09-05-2006, 05:34 AM
Roddick in straight sets

:nerner:

Jagermeister
09-05-2006, 05:42 AM
Hewitt in 5. Roddick will have to play better on the return than he did against Verdasco and Becker (altho on the flip side they're much better servers than Hewitt)

We shall see. I don't much care for Hewitt and would like to see Nadal vs Roddick, but Hewitt earns my respect for just going about his business and dismissing 2 of the top young'ns.

Neverstopfightin
09-05-2006, 05:46 AM
Potato but I dunno in how many sets

Come on !!!!!!

General Suburbia
09-05-2006, 06:26 AM
Someone please prove me wrong, but my gut tells me this is Hewitt's win. I haven't seen Roddick's latest match, but he wasn't at all in the form that is needed to beat Hewitt.

Adler
09-05-2006, 06:29 AM
I was about to start a similar thread :)

DrJules
09-05-2006, 06:29 AM
Roddick.

Hewitt is physically exhausted in my view. We will discover when they play.

rofe
09-05-2006, 06:29 AM
Roddick better come out with his A game against Hewitt. None of this standing far behind the baseline crap and hitting loopy forehands. Hewitt has fire in his belly (I haven't seen Hewitt so pumped up in a long time) and that makes him very dangerous especially since Hewitt has a 6-2 record against Roddick.

rofe
09-05-2006, 06:31 AM
Roddick.

Hewitt is physically exhausted in my view. We will discover when they play.

I don't think Hewitt will be tired. His knee may bother him but that is about it. Hewitt will rely a lot on adrenaline in his match against Roddick since a crowd against him will really pump him up.

dmit424
09-05-2006, 06:33 AM
Roddick.

Hewitt is physically exhausted in my view. We will discover when they play.


Why? He looked like he could go 7 today, and he has a day off now.

If he went 5 today after playing a fairly easy match the previous day, he can go 5 with a day off...

mickymouse
09-05-2006, 06:44 AM
Hewitt looked fine even after 5 sets today so I don't think fitness will be a problem.
I predict that he'll take out Roddick in 4 sets. He knows how to frustrate Roddick.

DrJules
09-05-2006, 06:52 AM
I don't think Hewitt will be tired. His knee may bother him but that is about it. Hewitt will rely a lot on adrenaline in his match against Roddick since a crowd against him will really pump him up.

Yes, Hewitt handles hostile crowds better than any player I have seen.

Roddick's draw is not looking very user friendly to win this event; Hewitt, Nadal + Federer possibly.

Xristos
09-05-2006, 06:55 AM
A-Rod..

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 06:55 AM
Hewitt, would want some drunk idiots heckling him, just use it as extra motivation.

World Beater
09-05-2006, 06:59 AM
Hewitt, would want some drunk idiots heckling him, just use it as extra motivation.

wait roddick isnt enough :p ?

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 07:03 AM
wait roddick isnt enough :p ?

He could always use more.

{Annie}
09-05-2006, 07:05 AM
:haha: :haha: at the thread title :yeah:

Roddick in 5 IMHO ;)

disturb3d
09-05-2006, 07:07 AM
Good ol George. Can you take out set-predictions on your polls? They're confusing as fuck, and you have to count up 3 seperate choices to find the prefered winner.
I figure if you set the example, MTF will follow.

Good luck in the 2008 prez elections. My mom's a fan.

dmit424
09-05-2006, 07:10 AM
Good ol George. Can you take out set-predictions on your polls? They're confusing as fuck, and you have to count up 3 seperate choices to find the prefered winner.
I figure if you set the example, MTF will follow.

Good luck in the 2008 prez elections. My mom's a fan.


No, I find it very funny at times. "Blake in 5" for example.

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 07:14 AM
disturb3d, I can't run in 2008 sadly.

As for the predictions, I will change them to 3-0, 3-1, 3-2 next to the players names in future that should be easier to follow. Just a bit of fun to guess the sets.

tripb19
09-05-2006, 07:16 AM
Hopefully Hewitt in 5.

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 07:18 AM
So far

Hewitt-Roddick 17-13

oz_boz
09-05-2006, 08:48 AM
I think Hewitt will continue his USO run and ownership of Roddick. BTW nice that both of these two former champs have regained some form. These two are the most likely to force Nadal to come up with some of his real game in the SF.

Ferrero Forever
09-05-2006, 09:11 AM
Roddick in 4

Blue Heart24
09-05-2006, 09:29 AM
Potato Hewitt in 4

bad gambler
09-05-2006, 09:32 AM
This match feels like a high school reunion - been a while

Norrage
09-05-2006, 10:59 AM
I'd say Hewitt in 4...Haven't seen him play but his game is perfect to destroy Roddick, anyday :)

cmurray
09-05-2006, 11:22 AM
I dunno. I'm thinking Andy might just take him this time. In five LONG sets. That way he's good and tired when he meets Rafa in the semis. jk. Sort of. :)

I like both of them (Andy and Rafa), but I'd rather see a competitive final, and if Roddick plays Federer, he's gonna just roll over. Of course, with Marat still alive in the other half, the Fedman in the finals isn't necessarily a foregone conclusion.

ahem. GO MARAT!!!!


Cheryl

disturb3d
09-05-2006, 11:28 AM
This match feels like a high school reunion - been a whileNothing classy about. Two players who've reached the top by playing the most one-dimensional tennis in recent memory.
But by reputation, this is one of the biggest matches of the year.

Mrs. B
09-05-2006, 11:56 AM
The Rösti in 4.

oz_boz
09-05-2006, 12:01 PM
The Rösti in 4.

:lol:

Rösti or Rusty? I like the former, both as food and nickname.

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 12:06 PM
:lol:

Rösti or Rusty?

She speaks the Swiss German, so heja rösti and it's good for you and as someone said I think the semi final will be either rösti and bacon. :)

oz_boz
09-05-2006, 12:14 PM
She speaks the Swiss German, so heja rösti and it's good for you and as someone said I think the semi final will be either rösti and bacon. :)

I wonder if we will get Rösti with the rabbit for the USO final. I think there will only be meat on the plate.

R.Federer
09-05-2006, 12:17 PM
Conflicted on this one. Both need that big win and could come pumped up. Seems like it will boil down to whether andy has a good serving day or not. Hope it's a good match

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 12:20 PM
I wonder if we will get Rösti with the rabbit for the USO final. I think there will only be meat on the plate.

It's usually the rabbit who is making rösti out of the potato and covering it with Emmenthal or Gruyere cheese.

oz_boz
09-05-2006, 12:26 PM
It's usually the rabbit who is making rösti out of the potato and covering it with Emmenthal or Gruyere cheese.

:haha:

njorker
09-05-2006, 12:34 PM
Roddick, can you just please beat Hewitt now? Please?




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Kalliopeia
09-05-2006, 12:38 PM
Seems like it will boil down to whether andy has a good serving day or not. Hope it's a good match

Doesn't it always with him?

I'm not a big Hewitt fan but I'll be cheering him on with all I've got against Roddick.

deliveryman
09-05-2006, 12:38 PM
I really hope Andy pulls this off.

I think a Andy vs Rafa matchup, is a lot more intriguing than a Hewitt vs. Nadal one.

deliveryman
09-05-2006, 12:39 PM
whoops double post.

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 12:40 PM
Hewitt likes playing Roddick and I can see Hewitt making enough telling returns and Hewitt has won all the big matches as well. It would have to be a night match I imagine.

sakaka
09-05-2006, 12:46 PM
With his high concentration,agile movements and deadly services , Roddick will win this one..

prima donna
09-05-2006, 12:49 PM
Hewitt in 4.

MurrayFan1
09-05-2006, 12:53 PM
Roddick FTW.

Kristen
09-05-2006, 12:54 PM
You know how I'm a vegetarian?
Forget that. Tonight I am ordering duck. Roddick in 4 (in my dreams).

Having said that, Hewitt is starting to piss me off again lately, so he could do it in 3...or 5.

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 12:55 PM
Come on Kristen, you love it when Hewitt pisses you off.

Kristen
09-05-2006, 01:02 PM
It is good when he annoys other people... it reminds me I am not alone. :)
(LOL Just having him on the cover of Aus Tennis Magazine with his trophy wife irritated me! Mark wins a tournament and he gets a one page picture, with a blurb on it. And you know I'm not exactly a huge Mark fan. bah. Enough ranting, lol)

JMG
09-05-2006, 01:06 PM
Come on Hewitt!

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 01:06 PM
It is good when he annoys other people... it reminds me I am not alone. :)
(LOL Just having him on the cover of Aus Tennis Magazine with his trophy wife irritated me! Mark wins a tournament and he gets a one page picture, with a blurb on it. And you know I'm not exactly a huge Mark fan. bah. Enough ranting, lol)

It won't matter as Agassi will be on the cover of Aus Tennis Magazine next month and as for Hewitt, well go to Argentina, they appreciate him there.

Is Bec or the Newport title more of a MM event?

Kristen
09-05-2006, 01:09 PM
If it was a poll, I would choose Bec by default....although I think she is sweet.
I have to give respect to Newport, as Alex Popp made the final, which didn't happen too often, and the culturally confused Greg beat him in tiebreaks.
*Slinks into a nasty rage*

simona21
09-05-2006, 01:41 PM
i hope andy can his progress in this match....he need this win....
come on andy....
please win this
he can do it and win.

Jimnik
09-05-2006, 01:56 PM
I think we already have a thread for this.

njorker
09-05-2006, 01:59 PM
I think we already have a thread for this.


Haha, I know! Can you blame me if I wanted more vcash? :)

Pea
09-05-2006, 02:03 PM
Go Lleyton! Fistpump your way to the semis.

atpSUPERMAN
09-05-2006, 02:16 PM
Hewitt gets my vote for the most irritating service noise.

Roddick will win the match.

tangerine_dream
09-05-2006, 02:57 PM
I love Hewitt-Roddick matchups :devil: Sadly, the only time Andy can beat Lleyton "PONG" Hewitt is in the commercial. :sobbing:

Fumus
09-05-2006, 03:27 PM
I picked Roddick in four.

I think Andy will win the first with a single serve break. Hewitt will play better in the second and win that in a tb. Andy will re-group, raise his game, and come to net more and break Hewitt's serve atleast once in the third. Hewitt won't see a bp after the first or second set, and Andy will win the fourth set in similar fashion to the third set.

BOTTOM LINE: Hewitt hasn't served nearly as well as he would need to, to defeat Roddick. Andy will play agressive on the second serve return and Andy's serve will be as it has been all tournement...untouchable.

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 03:37 PM
Fumus, you wish that will happen.

landoud
09-05-2006, 03:58 PM
Andy in 4

Black Adam
09-05-2006, 04:31 PM
A Roddick-Safin final is something that will make sure this tourney ends on a high note ;)

Fumus
09-05-2006, 04:54 PM
Fumus, you wish that will happen.

George...I call em' as I see em'

I see it happening just as I wrote but I am no psyhic nor do I claim to be me. Anything can happen but, I am just going to play the percentages on this one.

Hewitt playing that 5 set match last night and having knee tendonitis is advantage-Roddick. Hewitt's service games, were less than impressive. Hewitt will play up but, eh, do you really see him breaking Andy's serve more than...1 or 2 times in the whole match? If at all? The way Hewitt is serving he will almost certainly be broken atleast 1 once a set if Roddick returns aggresively.

MisterQ
09-05-2006, 05:01 PM
It could come down to how smartly and confidently Roddick makes his approaches to the net. When Roddick does this well (as in Cincinnati this year), using his power to handcuff his opponents and force weak replies from them, he is remarkably effective at the net. But if he gets into his old routine of "I'm not sure what to do so I guess I'll hit a meek high-bouncing slice and run in behind it and see what happens", Hewitt will eat him alive. :lol:

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 05:14 PM
I hope Roddick keeps coming forward. Hewitt will love that.

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 05:16 PM
Hewitt will play up but, eh, do you really see him breaking Andy's serve more than...1 or 2 times in the whole match? If at all? The way Hewitt is serving he will almost certainly be broken atleast 1 once a set if Roddick returns aggresively.

Hahaha, you are joking. Breaking serve won't be the problem for Hewitt, it's how he serves. It's not like Roddick is some great returner or are you having Cincy hangover.

There is a reason the H2H is 6-2.

Fumus
09-05-2006, 05:25 PM
Hahaha, you are joking. Breaking serve won't be the problem for Hewitt, it's how he serves. It's not like Roddick is some great returner or are you having Cincy hangover.

There is a reason the H2H is 6-2.

Lest I remind you that the last time they played Roddick beat him in straight sets. The match before that at IW could have gone either way in that third set tb.

No Cincy hangover, I just think I am either going to be really wrong or really right about this match. Andy has either been holding back waiting to shine at this open or he's going to play like he has for the last 3 matches and lose. I am going to go with the former.

tangerine_dream
09-05-2006, 05:27 PM
George...I call em' as I see em'

I see it happening just as I wrote but I am no psyhic nor do I claim to be me. Anything can happen but, I am just going to play the percentages on this one.

Hewitt playing that 5 set match last night and having knee tendonitis is advantage-Roddick. Hewitt's service games, were less than impressive. Hewitt will play up but, eh, do you really see him breaking Andy's serve more than...1 or 2 times in the whole match? If at all? The way Hewitt is serving he will almost certainly be broken atleast 1 once a set if Roddick returns aggresively.
A few things, Fumus: 1) Hewitt is a very good returner; 2) Hewitt is very good at passing opponents who venture to the net; 3) he feeds off of Roddick's pace.

I think Andy needs to stick with his game plan from last year's Cincy match: junkball Hewitt and give him no pace and rhythm. He can't hit through Hewitt nor can he serve him off the court. Nobody can.

TheBoiledEgg
09-05-2006, 05:31 PM
Potato in 4
wonder if the Duck will be hiding in the toilets again :rolls:

was the door handle too high for him to open it :tape:

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 05:34 PM
Lest I remind you that the last time they played Roddick beat him in straight sets. The match before that at IW could have gone either way in that third set tb.

No Cincy hangover, I just think I am either going to be really wrong or really right about this match. Andy has either been holding back waiting to shine at this open or he's going to play like he has for the last 3 matches and lose. I am going to go with the former.

I am talking about big matches as I said in my OP. Who has won the matches in the Slams and the TMC? Hewitt has had his number when it has counted.

The same thing will happen to Andy with Hewitt as it does with Federer, when it's on the line, he will come out with L next to his name.

Fumus
09-05-2006, 05:36 PM
A few things, Fumus: 1) Hewitt is a very good returner; 2) Hewitt is very good at passing opponents who venture to the net; 3) he feeds off of Roddick's pace.

I think Andy needs to stick with his game plan from last year's Cincy match: junkball Hewitt and give him no pace and rhythm. He can't hit through Hewitt. Nobody can.

Well, I don't think it matters how good of a returner Hewitt is, btw, he's more of an agressive returner and less of a blocker. Blocking types will have more success against Roddick's serve, although Hewitt may have some flashes on the return here or there....the server always has the advantage and if Andy stays at a fs percentage of 70% or better I don't think Hewitt is going to get a sniff.

As for hitting through Hewitt, I beg to differ. To hit through Hewitt you have to get him off the bl, using some of the junkballing tactics you are talking about. You have to take Lleyton out of his comfort zone, then you can blow him off the court. Just ask Roger or Marat. Andy is not a finesse player, I doubt we will see him slicing and dicing Hewitt and moon-balling him. No matter how effective that may actually be.

I see this match in Andy's hands, it's his choice now. If he plays well, and he plays his game, he will march through Hewitt just as I have talked about.

rofe
09-05-2006, 05:40 PM
A few things, Fumus: 1) Hewitt is a very good returner; 2) Hewitt is very good at passing opponents who venture to the net; 3) he feeds off of Roddick's pace.

I think Andy needs to stick with his game plan from last year's Cincy match: junkball Hewitt and give him no pace and rhythm. He can't hit through Hewitt nor can he serve him off the court. Nobody can.

Did you watch the AO '05 match between Hewitt and Safin? It is possible to overpower Hewitt. In fact every player can be overpowered. If Andy junkballs Hewitt he runs the risk of losing in a hurry. Andy has to play to his strengths and that includes his power game.

Fumus
09-05-2006, 05:41 PM
I am talking about big matches as I said in my OP. Who has won the matches in the Slams and the TMC? Hewitt has had his number when it has counted.

The same thing will happen to Andy with Hewitt as it does with Federer, when it's on the line, he will come out with L next to his name.

Well I hope you are wrong.

Even you must admit it's a winnable match for Andy. Btw, when does Hewitt ever think that a match doesn't count? :confused:

I think he plays every match, and last year at Cinncy certainly wasn't a mickey mouse tournement. Hewitt still has alot to prove to me. I just don't think he's playing well enough, and I think Roddick has the momentum going for him.

buddyholly
09-05-2006, 05:42 PM
Meat and potatoes is OK everyday fare, but during slams the only items on the menu are fondue and paella.

Golfnduck
09-05-2006, 05:44 PM
Roddick in 4, it will definately be a very close match with a lot of fist pumps.

Action Jackson
09-05-2006, 05:46 PM
Well I hope you are wrong.

Even you must admit it's a winnable match for Andy. Btw, when does Hewitt ever think that a match doesn't count? :confused:

I think he plays every match, and last year at Cinncy certainly wasn't a mickey mouse tournement. Hewitt still has alot to prove to me. I just don't think he's playing well enough, and I think Roddick has the momentum going for him.

Hewitt brings it for the Slams and it's not like he has anything to fear and if you want to ignore the respective match up issue, then be my guest.

Only have to play as you need to, until Roddick starts being these big guys in the Slams, he's the one that has to prove something and not Hewitt.

tangerine_dream
09-05-2006, 05:53 PM
Did you watch the AO '05 match between Hewitt and Safin? It is possible to overpower Hewitt. In fact every player can be overpowered. If Andy junkballs Hewitt he runs the risk of losing in a hurry. Andy has to play to his strengths and that includes his power game.
Safin can back up his power hitting with a great net game, which Andy doesn't have.

DrJules
09-05-2006, 06:03 PM
Well, I don't think it matters how good of a returner Hewitt is, btw, he's more of an agressive returner and less of a blocker. Blocking types will have more success against Roddick's serve, although Hewitt may have some flashes on the return here or there....the server always has the advantage and if Andy stays at a fs percentage of 70% or better I don't think Hewitt is going to get a sniff.

As for hitting through Hewitt, I beg to differ. To hit through Hewitt you have to get him off the bl, using some of the junkballing tactics you are talking about. You have to take Lleyton out of his comfort zone, then you can blow him off the court. Just ask Roger or Marat. Andy is not a finesse player, I doubt we will see him slicing and dicing Hewitt and moon-balling him. No matter how effective that may actually be.

I see this match in Andy's hands, it's his choice now. If he plays well, and he plays his game, he will march through Hewitt just as I have talked about.

That is central to beating Roddick. If you return his serve well, like Federer, Hewitt, Agassi and Murray, you will win most of the matches against Roddick. It is poor returners of serve who mostly struggle. After returning the ball a quality top 20 player, who probably have slightly better baseline and net games, should then be in a good position to win the point. Roddick is not among the better returners.

The only shot Roddick plays better than Hewitt is the serve. I feel Hewitt has better returns, better volley, better backhand, is faster and mentally tougher. Their forehands are of a similar standard. Based on that Hewitt seems to have far more strong areas than Roddick. Therefore, unless troubled by his knee or tired from his match against Gasquet, which I think is likely, the match should be in Hewitt's hands. He is overall the better and more skillfull player.

What areas do you feel Roddick is stronger?

rofe
09-05-2006, 06:04 PM
Safin can back up his power hitting with a great net game, which Andy doesn't have.

Safin has a great net game with respect to his frame but in absolute terms it is not that great.

Anyway, Andy needs to employ the backhand slice but judiciously and more often during big points. Hewitt may have problems generating pace but if Andy keeps slicing then Hewitt will get used to it. You can forget about looping forehands or backhands though. Hewitt will be all over it.

Fumus
09-05-2006, 06:04 PM
Hewitt brings it for the Slams and it's not like he has anything to fear and if you want to ignore the respective match up issue, then be my guest.

Only have to play as you need to, until Roddick starts being these big guys in the Slams, he's the one that has to prove something and not Hewitt.

Professional tennis is about match-ups I don't ignore that. It's why even great players simply struggle against one person while dominating others.

Everytime these two have played at a slam the matches have been long and relatively close(except when Andy retired at the French). Andy has lost all three of their slam meetings but, I think the match-up favors Roddick. It isn't the matchup that is keeping Roddick from winning. ie. Hewitt likes pace and is a good counter puncher and returner. I think it's simply been the case that in the past Hewitt has been a better big match player.

Hewitt always gets aced a whole bunch everytime they play. Hewitt rarely fashions bps on the Roddick serve, and more rarely converts them. The only time they have played at the US Open was in 2001. Andy was a much weaker player and much less devolped. Still Andy's style, serve, and power troubled Lleyton. I think Hewitt has the intangible in matches that go the distance. Hewitt is a top player and Andy has struggled to beat those top guys at the slams in the past. This occasion could be much of the same, but, I don't think it will be. I think this will be somewhat of a descisive victory for Andy, because I have explained I think matchup favors Roddick more than Hewitt. Hewitt has just been a better big match player in the past, I think with Roddick's confidence on this fast hard court surface, it's going to be service fest for Andy, and Andy will win as I have said.

BOTTOM LINE: I am going to be really wrong or really right, as I have said. I am sure I will be laughed at if Andy loses but, I stand by my posts. As even if Andy does lose it won't be because the matchup didn't favor him, it's because Hewitt rose to the occasion and Andy didn't.

Jimnik
09-05-2006, 06:06 PM
Safin can back up his power hitting with a great net game, which Andy doesn't have.
Then how did Andy hit all those net winners in Cincy?

Safin didn't beat Hewitt because of his net game. He can outplay Hewitt (and any other player) from the back of the court when his mind is focused - especially on the slower courts.

Jimnik
09-05-2006, 06:06 PM
Safin has a great net game with respect to his frame but in absolute terms it is not that great.
Exactly. Safin's net game isn't much better than Roddick's.

DrJules
09-05-2006, 06:13 PM
BOTTOM LINE: I am going to be really wrong or really right, as I have said. I am sure I will be laughed at if Andy loses but, I stand by my posts. As even if Andy does lose it won't be because the matchup didn't favor him, it's because Hewitt rose to the occasion and Andy didn't.

If you do not consider that Hewitt is the ideal matchup to beat Roddick which players on tour do you consider are the ideal matchups to beat Roddick? I have always felt Hewitt has one of the best games on tour to match against Roddick. In fact I can only think of Federer significantly better and possibly Agassi as better suited to playing Roddick.

Fumus
09-05-2006, 06:14 PM
Hewitt brings it for the Slams and it's not like he has anything to fear and if you want to ignore the respective match up issue, then be my guest.

Only have to play as you need to, until Roddick starts being these big guys in the Slams, he's the one that has to prove something and not Hewitt.

Also at one point Hewitt had an even better record against Roger than he did against Andy. Hewitt was 7 and 2 against Roger, with Lleyton taking all their big matches including one in DC and at the TMC. The match-up however, never favored Hewitt, Hewitt simply played better and rose to the occasion when the two met. Once Roger learned how to better use his game to beat Lleyton that head to head was turned around, so don't show me the h2h with Lleyton and tell me that's because Hewitt's game matches up well against Roddick's and that Hewitt clearly does everything better than Roddick. Andy just needs to play in a way to expose Hewitt's weakness, those being Hewitt's his lack of power and weak serve.

tangerine_dream
09-05-2006, 06:19 PM
Safin has a great net game with respect to his frame but in absolute terms it is not that great.
I don't think Safin's net game is as mediocre as Roddick's. :lol: Andy is still learning and he's gotten better but Safin at the net is still far more intimidating and effective than Roddick is.

Then how did Andy hit all those net winners in Cincy?
He was playing a lot better in Cincy than he has shown so far at USO.

Fumus
09-05-2006, 06:21 PM
If you do not consider that Hewitt is the ideal matchup to beat Roddick which players on tour do you consider are the ideal matchups to beat Roddick? I have always felt Hewitt has one of the best games on tour to match against Roddick. In fact I can only think of Federer significantly better and possibly Agassi as better suited to playing Roddick.

Who matches up well against Roddick? IMHO people who matchup well against Andy are people that capable of out-hitting him, people who can expose his net play, expose his inability to end points sometimes and his movement, and who do this by blocking his serve back and taking the cheap points away from him.

Agressive returners like Hewitt and Agassi can have success against Andy but I think they give up too many cheap points and require second serves to do their damage. Andre and Hewitt get aced big time everytime they play Roddick. Someone like Federer simply blocks the ball back uses all those things I talked about to beat Roddick. Even still, I think if Roddick is serving well enough, and hitting the ball well he's a tough guy to beat no matter how you match-up with him.

rofe
09-05-2006, 06:23 PM
I don't think Safin's net game is as mediocre as Roddick's. :lol: Andy is still learning and he's gotten better but Safin at the net is still far more intimidating and effective than Roddick is.

I don't think there is that much difference now. The problem for Andy is his tentativeness. If he is tentative, he will start looping his strokes, blindly rush to the net and more importantly will have a low first serve percentage.


He was playing a lot better in Cincy than he has shown so far at USO.

If he plays like he did against Verdasco, I don't give him much of a chance. I hope Jimbo has talked some sense into him.

Fumus
09-05-2006, 06:25 PM
I don't think there is that much difference now. I guess we can agree to disagree.



If he plays like he did against Verdasco, I don't give him much of a chance. I hope Jimbo has talked some sense into him.

Rofe, we are on the same page today. :)

DrJules
09-05-2006, 06:26 PM
I don't think Safin's net game is as mediocre as Roddick's. :lol: Andy is still learning and he's gotten better but Safin at the net is still far more intimidating and effective than Roddick is.


He was playing a lot better in Cincy than he has shown so far at USO.

Agreed.
Neither strike me as natural on the volley although Safin looks more comfortable.

Interestingly, Nadal looks much more comfortable at the net and better on the volley than either player. It is a part of his game that he greatly under uses. I am hoping on Saturday that Nadal will swing the left handed serve wide to the Roddick backhand and serve + volley a lot of the time; he will not of course.

DrJules
09-05-2006, 08:19 PM
Among those who bet on tennis Roddick is the slight favourite:


http://www.oddschecker.com/betting/mode/o/card/tennis-mensusopen/odds/2807660x/sid/1014162

Sjengster
09-06-2006, 02:37 AM
Fumus, you lost me the moment you made that "Hewitt is an aggressive returner" statement. Have you ever seen him play? There's a reason why he had a great record against Sampras and Agassi didn't, there is no way they are similar types of returners.

Action Jackson
09-06-2006, 03:20 AM
Also at one point Hewitt had an even better record against Roger than he did against Andy. Hewitt was 7 and 2 against Roger, with Lleyton taking all their big matches including one in DC and at the TMC. The match-up however, never favored Hewitt, Hewitt simply played better and rose to the occasion when the two met. Once Roger learned how to better use his game to beat Lleyton that head to head was turned around, so don't show me the h2h with Lleyton and tell me that's because Hewitt's game matches up well against Roddick's and that Hewitt clearly does everything better than Roddick. Andy just needs to play in a way to expose Hewitt's weakness, those being Hewitt's his lack of power and weak serve.

As long as you are prepared to eat some humble pie, then all is good after the match :p . Next point you are seriously underestimating Hewitt's returning capabilities.

I am not talking about Federer here. This is only about the Hewitt/Roddick match up and it's Roddick with it all to prove and not Hewitt for the reasons mentioned. Roddick isn't patient enough to able to rally long enough to get the short shots consistently from Hewitt over the period of 5 sets. We are not talking about just bashing winners for 2 sets over the best of 3 format.

dmit424
09-06-2006, 03:23 AM
George...I call em' as I see em'

I see it happening just as I wrote but I am no psyhic nor do I claim to be me. Anything can happen but, I am just going to play the percentages on this one.

Hewitt playing that 5 set match last night and having knee tendonitis is advantage-Roddick. Hewitt's service games, were less than impressive. Hewitt will play up but, eh, do you really see him breaking Andy's serve more than...1 or 2 times in the whole match? If at all? The way Hewitt is serving he will almost certainly be broken atleast 1 once a set if Roddick returns aggresively.


It's Roddick. Advantage Hewitt.


Same thing is always said in Roddick's support vs. Hewitt... His serve is too good! (Hewitt is the best returner in the game, or top 2). Hewitt hasn't been serving well! (Does he ever?) Blah blah, it's Hewitt... vs. Roddick. Think about it. It's just duck-hunting season for Hewitt.

dmit424
09-06-2006, 03:27 AM
Who matches up well against Roddick? IMHO people who matchup well against Andy are people that capable of out-hitting him, people who can expose his net play, expose his inability to end points sometimes and his movement, and who do this by blocking his serve back and taking the cheap points away from him.

Agressive returners like Hewitt and Agassi can have success against Andy but I think they give up too many cheap points and require second serves to do their damage. Andre and Hewitt get aced big time everytime they play Roddick. Someone like Federer simply blocks the ball back uses all those things I talked about to beat Roddick. Even still, I think if Roddick is serving well enough, and hitting the ball well he's a tough guy to beat no matter how you match-up with him.


Dude what world are you living in thinking that Hewitt does not matchup well against Hewitt? There's a reason why Roddick beating Hewitt at Cincy (best of 3, mind you) was considered such a "breathrough" for Andy. Because until then, Roddick might as well have been chained up in Lleyton's basement.

Corey Feldman
09-06-2006, 03:49 AM
I want Hewitt to win, but i think Rod will have him in 4 this time...

good luck in the Semis to whichever guy makes it :kiss:

Jimnik
09-06-2006, 04:08 AM
Among those who bet on tennis Roddick is the slight favourite:


http://www.oddschecker.com/betting/mode/o/card/tennis-mensusopen/odds/2807660x/sid/1014162
Interesting. I wonder if everyone here will put their money where their mouth is.

Maybe the bookies think that Hewitt is fatigued after his 5-set match, or still suffering from his injury. Usually, they would take into account a h2h of 6-2.

bad gambler
09-06-2006, 04:21 AM
Maybe the bookies think that Hewitt is fatigued after his 5-set match, or still suffering from his injury. Usually, they would take into account a h2h of 6-2.

Since Roddick beat Hewitt in Queens in 2004, Hewitt has not been the "favourite" when they have played by the bookies

bad gambler
09-06-2006, 04:23 AM
Apart from Federer, Hewitt reads Roddick's serve better than anyone in the world. Provided he moves well this should be a good match. I've watched enough of these two play to know that it doesn't matter how well Roddick serves, it comes down to how consistent Hewitt is on his own serve.

Roddick is the favourite and should win

;)

Fedex
09-06-2006, 04:27 AM
potato, and bacon go well together.

but first roddick Vs. Pong :devil:

:haha:

....oh the irony...last years am ex ads, and this year...andy's going down...it seems like fate
I actually enjoyed that ad, and that is the first time I can say that of Roddick.

Fedex
09-06-2006, 04:28 AM
I've got to go with 'Potato man' Hewitt winning this one in 5. He always seems to win the big matches agasint Roddick, though Roddick has been playing much later lately, so he could certainly win this match.

Fedex
09-06-2006, 04:31 AM
This is a very interesting match, lets see whether it is as dramatic as the quarterfinal in 2003. Lleyton is not at 100% but I think he will be very motivated for this one. Andy serves great so far but he will need to improve from the baseline to come through. Hewitt in 5.
That quarterfinal match was played in 2001. Obviously it wasn't 2003, seeing as that was the year Roddick won the tournement.

Black Adam
09-06-2006, 07:56 AM
Apart from Federer, Hewitt reads Roddick's serve better than anyone in the world. Provided he moves well this should be a good match. I've watched enough of these two play to know that it doesn't matter how well Roddick serves, it comes down to how consistent Hewitt is on his own serve.

Roddick is the favourite and should win

;)
Hewitt just guesses, look at his last matches against Roddick how the aces fly. It's sad Roddick doesn't win more because Hewitt always serves at 40% or lower.

bad gambler
09-06-2006, 08:01 AM
Hewitt just guesses, look at his last matches against Roddick how the aces fly. It's sad Roddick doesn't win more because Hewitt always serves at 40% or lower.


rofl he is one hell of a guesser then

williaer
09-06-2006, 08:10 AM
My head says Lleyton, my heart says Andy.
Lets go Andy!! :D

Corey Feldman
09-06-2006, 01:38 PM
their 2001 QF was a helluva match, Hewitt winning in the fifth.... i remember a very dramatic overule by the great Jorge Diaz which sent Rod mental :lol:
i hope its a great battle again tonight.

RonE
09-06-2006, 01:52 PM
In the semis I hope we will be feasting on pork chops :lick:

But as for the quarters I think it will be braided duck.

Fumus
09-06-2006, 02:12 PM
As long as you are prepared to eat some humble pie, then all is good after the match :p . Next point you are seriously underestimating Hewitt's returning capabilities.

I am not talking about Federer here. This is only about the Hewitt/Roddick match up and it's Roddick with it all to prove and not Hewitt for the reasons mentioned. Roddick isn't patient enough to able to rally long enough to get the short shots consistently from Hewitt over the period of 5 sets. We are not talking about just bashing winners for 2 sets over the best of 3 format.

Andy has played Hewitt better seemingly everytime they have met since that horrible loss at the TMC. AO he took a set and cracked in each tb, IW he played a classic three tb sets match against Hewitt and probably should have won that that final set tb, then he straight sets Hewitt the last time they play in Cincy. If that's not advantage Roddick I don't know what it is. Andy knows he can beat Hewitt know and knows how to beat Hewitt. Now it's just a matter if he does or not...I think he will in 4.

BOTTOM LINE: GWH I am prepared to eat humble pie after Roddick loses and I won't gloat if he wins. I will simply be happy. Things I won't be wrong about, there will be atleast one tb in this match, Andy will hit 20+ aces, Andy won't be broken more than twice in this match

TMJordan
09-06-2006, 02:13 PM
C'mon Rusty!

NYCtennisfan
09-06-2006, 02:28 PM
Roddick in straights or in 4. If Hewitt can hold his serve for the first 3 or 4 games and manage to pull off the 1st set, then I think it goes 5 with Hewitt as the favorite, but something tells me Roddick gets an early break and then latches on to the momentum.

Fumus
09-06-2006, 03:30 PM
Hey, Matt Cronin agrees with me! I guess I won't be the only one eating humble pie.

MEN'S QUATERFINALS, BOTTOM HALF

ANDY RODDICK has passed one major and three minor tests en route to this quarterfinal match-up with one of his nemesis', LLEYTON HEWITT. Fernando Verdasco was the only player in Roddick's path who gave him a lot of trouble, and the American passed that fifth-set test with flying colors. But that's a pop quiz, while Hewitt will be an exit exam that he's been preparing for a very long time.

Their first major confrontation came here in 2001, when Roddick was a babe in the woods and was schooled in the fifth set in a riotous quarter. Their second major confrontation came at the 2005 Australian Open, when Hewitt and crowd screamed toward the American all night long in a fourth-set win for Lleyton. They have also played in four U.S.-based Masters Series tournaments on hard courts, with Hewitt winning the first three and Roddick grabbing a critical win at 2005 Cincinnati (Roddick's only other victory over the Aussie came at '04 Queens on grass).

Former US Open champ Hewitt troubles Roddick for two primary reasons: he kills him in crosscourt backhand rallies and he returns his serve beautifully. Hewitt is also quite fast and is still one of the best counterpunchers on tour. Even though Roddick has a much better forehand and serve, he has trouble hitting through him. Both men have improved their all-around games in the past two years, but have been stymied by the Federer-Nadal express.

Roddick and Hewitt play with equal fire and grit and aren't exactly good buddies. There will be no love lost in this match up between two snarling men in bent baseball caps, and it is sure to be one of the most tense and loudest contests so far at the Open. The key for Roddick will be whether he can successfully mix up his serves and get into the net behind well-placed approach shots. Hewitt loves a target and that's what Andy is going to give him, so Roddick has to put away his volleys.

This is a tricky match up for Roddick because he must play aggressive, but he also can't give away points. He walks a very fine line against Hewitt, who still believes he's a better player than the American is. As always, Hewitt is in great form here, and while I could see Mr. Five-Setter pulling out another dramatic win, Andy is due for a huge win at a Slam over him and will take Hewitt down in four sets.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2006-09-05/200609051157503782781.html

rofe
09-06-2006, 03:59 PM
Hey, Matt Cronin agrees with me! I guess I won't be the only one eating humble pie.



http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2006-09-05/200609051157503782781.html

Yep, Andy has to play aggressively but that doesn't mean blindly running to the net. He has no other option. He should use the backhand slice effectively though. The first set might me a good indication of things to come.

tangerine_dream
09-06-2006, 05:23 PM
Matthew Cronin picked Andy over Lleyton? Now I'm worried. :scared:

Jimnik
09-06-2006, 08:39 PM
Has anybody else noticed that the William Hill have shortened the odds on a Roddick victory (and lengthened the odds on a Hewitt victory). Somebody must have placed a large amount on Roddick. :eek:

TMJordan
09-06-2006, 09:54 PM
C'mon Mate!

tangerine_dream
09-07-2006, 03:53 AM
And once again, the MTF Duncecap is whipped out and put on the heads of the majority of voters who voted wrong. Man, you guys suck at these things. :lol:

Congrats to these five for getting it right:
bad gambler, euroka1, flip_fan, Loremaster, Macbrother

Gambling Man, you scare me. You must make a nice living with your gambling hobby. ;)

Havok
09-07-2006, 03:57 AM
Mashed Potatoes on the menu!!!

Bagelicious
09-07-2006, 03:57 AM
Roddick in straight sets

Nice call! I thought it would be a lot closer than this with Hewitt coming out on top - Hewitt's lackluster form and Roddick's Resurgence notwithstanding. But it's about time for Andy, so I'm not sad to be wrong.

Fumus
09-07-2006, 04:08 AM
Most of my predictions about this match were wrong...

No Tb.
No 4 sets.
No 20+ aces.

So....I guess I can eat pie over that.

Havok
09-07-2006, 04:12 AM
Hewitt likes playing Roddick and I can see Hewitt making enough telling returns and Hewitt has won all the big matches as well. It would have to be a night match I imagine.
Wrong. Roddick straight setted Hewitt in the Semis of Cincinnati last year.:p

I would have never in my life predicted Roddick in straights.

Jimnik
09-07-2006, 04:15 AM
5% voted correctly.

MTF is really clueless when it comes to matches like these.

Havok
09-07-2006, 04:17 AM
It's hard to predict the exact number of sets in a match like this, where you don't know how each player will play like in the match. At least about 45% of the people voted for the right winner.

Jimnik
09-07-2006, 04:18 AM
Wrong. Roddick straight setted Hewitt in the Semis of Cincinnati last year.:p
Depends on your what you would rate a "big match".

Personally, I would rate matches in terms of ranking points. The semi-final of a Masters Series event is worth 125pts while the quarter-final of a Grand Slam is worth 200pts. Hence, a GS QF match is bigger than an AMS SF, in my opinion.

Action Jackson
09-07-2006, 05:34 AM
Good call Fumus and congrats to that and the meat eaters triumphed over the vegetarians in this match.

Action Jackson
09-07-2006, 05:36 AM
Wrong. Roddick straight setted Hewitt in the Semis of Cincinnati last year.:p

I would have never in my life predicted Roddick in straights.

Roddick brought the big guns out tonight and as I said earlier the Slams and the TMC are the big events, the AMS/TMS events are glorified warm ups in most cases.