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nitsansh
02-09-2004, 12:43 AM
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nitsansh
02-11-2004, 01:48 AM
Ranking updated through Tuesday, except for late matches in SJO and VDM.

Chloe le Bopper
02-11-2004, 02:03 AM
Thank you kindly!

Billabong
02-11-2004, 02:27 AM
I hope Guga goes up this week!

GO GUGA!!!!!!!:)!

nitsansh
02-11-2004, 03:27 AM
Guga can't move up even if he wins the tournament. Because his 18th score is 75 pts and win in VDM is worth 175 pts, the maximum points he can gain is 1510, which is less than Novak has.
For the same reason, Robredo can't move up as his maximum score is 1395 pts, but Verkerk can overtake Guga because he has a lower 18th score of just 5, so win in Milan will lift him to 1460.

Only 3 men in the top 20 (from 6 in action this week, after Korda withdrew) are capable of moving up:
Roddick should win in San Jose to move above Ferrero to 2nd place.
Massu will move to #10 if he gets to the final at VDM. If he wins the tournament he'll climb to #9.
Verkerk can overtake Robredo (in fact remain in #18) if he wins 1st round and Robredo doesn't get beyond SF. If Robredo gets to final Verkerk should get to SF to overtake him. If Robredo wins the tournament than Verkerk should get to final.
If Verkerk wins the tournament he overtakes both Robredo and Kuerten and climb to #17.

Further down, Fish need to get to the final at San Jose to overtake Calleri at #20. He can also overtake Robredo if he fails to reach final and Verkerk if he doesn't get beyond 2nd round. If Fish wins tournament he'll overtake Robredo unless he wins as well, and will pass Verkerk if he doesn't get to final.
Dent also can get as high as 18.
Ginepri can get as high as 20.
Spadea can get as high as 21.
Zabaleta can move as high as 22.
Gaudio and Gonzalez can get to 25.
Blake and Nadal can get to 29.

nitsansh
02-11-2004, 03:30 AM
Also...
Lopez and Ljubicic can get as high as 24.

J. Corwin
02-11-2004, 05:09 AM
thanks!

Frooty_Bazooty
02-11-2004, 08:10 AM
thanks for always posting these ranking things nit, they're awesome

Doris Loeffel
02-11-2004, 08:16 AM
Thanks for the list

Domino
02-11-2004, 08:27 AM
Damn. This is awesome Nit.

nitsansh
02-11-2004, 03:32 PM
Also...
Lopez and Ljubicic can get as high as 24.
That is no longer possible after both lost their 1sr round matches at Milano.

jtipson
02-11-2004, 08:10 PM
Nit thanks for all the rankings updates - it's great :)

Just wondering - do you have your own database and make all the calculations yourself?

nitsansh
02-11-2004, 11:05 PM
Yes... I use a very sophisticated tool named notepad...

Deboogle!.
02-11-2004, 11:10 PM
whoooooooooaaaaaaaa don't go crazy with expensive programs and stuff!!!!!!!

:p

nitsansh
02-12-2004, 08:22 AM
updated after conclusion of Wednesday matches

J. Corwin
02-12-2004, 10:40 AM
You're very good (and patient!) to do such a detailed and organized thing with just Notepad. :)

jtipson
02-12-2004, 12:36 PM
Yes... I use a very sophisticated tool named notepad...


But to make those calculations for 70 players you need to store a lot of numbers (rolling 52 weeks' worth of results for all of them!), which means a lot of work in updating them. The calcs aren't that difficult, but I'm impressed if you really do only use notepad. Must take you ages.

JeLuliA88
02-13-2004, 12:48 AM
Thanks

nitsansh
02-13-2004, 03:47 AM
But to make those calculations for 70 players you need to store a lot of numbers (rolling 52 weeks' worth of results for all of them!), which means a lot of work in updating them. The calcs aren't that difficult, but I'm impressed if you really do only use notepad. Must take you ages.

It takes time, but I wouldn't say ages... a minute or two for each match, so on a busy day it may take about an hour...
It's the first time I do it for multi-tournament week and that really duplicate the workload...
Beside the updates I've been refining the format and that took time as well...
Getting the basic data is no problem once you find the right website... basically you need 4 data to calculate the ranking:
The current ranking points (or previous points)
The points coming off next week
The 18th and 19th scores (17th and 18th for women, 14th and 15th for men doubles etc) - the last score inside the ranking and the first outside the ranking.
You also need to know the points awarded for each round of the tournament(s), and in case of women the quality points as well... (that about doubles the calculation time)
With these data in hand, the calculation is elementary school math... just plus and minus operations...

Here is how the calculation is done:

Variables:
PP = previous points
SP = "safe points"
NP = new points
O = points coming off
A = points added
S18 = 18th score
S19 = 19th score

First phase: "safe" points
If O<S18 then
SP=PP
If O>=S18 then
SP=PP-O+S19;S19->S18
Second phase: add points
If A<=S18 then
NP=SP
If A>S18 then
NP=SP+A-S18;S18->S19

Or in one phase:
If O<S18 and A<=S18 then
NP=PP
If O<S18 and A>S18 then
NP=PP+A-S18;S18->S19
If O>=S18 and A<=S18 then
NP=PP-O+S19;S19->S18
If O>=S18 and A>S18 then
NP=PP+A-O

This is the calculation of WTA ranking, ATP doubles, and ATP singles on "optional tournaments" week... in the case of "mandatory tournaments", O and A are allways calculated as if they are >=S18, if the player has a score from the same tournament last year or this year (including 0 score).
It gets more complicated in cases that more than one score is coming off or getting in...

J. Corwin
02-13-2004, 06:21 AM
^That just looks too complicated for me to do in my free time. More power to ya. :)

jtipson
02-13-2004, 08:20 AM
Thanks Nit, that's quite impressive :) With those kind of calculations you probably get it right more than the ATP does...they quite often make mistakes!

WyveN
02-13-2004, 12:40 PM
Great work Nit

Does look rather complicated and I am sure a lot of us appreciate it

Experimentee
02-13-2004, 01:04 PM
Thanks for the great work. Any particular reason it stops at 73? :p It seems a weird number to decide to stop at.

nitsansh
02-13-2004, 01:59 PM
^That just looks too complicated for me to do in my free time. More power to ya. :)

For people who are good in math that's not complicated... it gets a bit complicated in cases when you have to add or substract more than one score because then you need more data...
In more than 90% of cases, the basic 4 possibilities apply...
It may look more understandable in words...

First case: Points coming off are not inside the best 18 score, and points added are not inside the best 18 score: no change in points as no points should come in and out

Second case: Both points coming off and added are inside the best 18 score: Subtract the points off, add the points added. This is the common case for mandatory tournaments.

Third case: The points off are not inside the best 18, the points added are inside the best 18: add the points added, but substract the best 18 score because it's now the 19th score.

Fourth case: The points off are inside the best 18, the points added are not inside the best 18: substract the points off, add the best 19th score which should become the 18th score to fill the vacancy created when you take out a score.

As to free time occupation... some people like this sort of "hobby" more than other things... if you enjoy what you do you consider the time spent as "quality time" rather than wasted time... and since the work is done, why not share it with other people who might be interested...
These are not the only calculations I do these days... this week I do also a calculation of men's doubles ranking in the 22-31 range, and men's singles around the edge of the top-100, because my favorite players (you can guess who by my national flag...) are ranked there and I don't want to wait till the official ranking comes out next monday... the interesting thing about doing ranking projection is to be ahead of the official scorers... if anyone is interested in those ranking ranges I can easily publish them... for example: Harel Levy is ranked 99th (up from 106) in the projected ranking of Feb 16, and the players just below him are Rusedski, Behrend, Verdasco, Sanguinetti (down from 74!!), Mutis, Gasquet, Goldstein, C Rochus. Montanes is further down, while Ancic is above Levy (and also Carlsen) inside the top-100. The only player outside the top-100 still in action in ATP tournaments is Kendrick, who should get to the final at San Jose to enter the top-100...

nitsansh
02-13-2004, 02:10 PM
Thanks for the great work. Any particular reason it stops at 73? :p It seems a weird number to decide to stop at.
The original list this week was until 70, because that's where I stopped last week... 3 players have since entered the top-70 so I added them, but still left those who dropped further down...
The scope of the ranking is arbitrary decision, and is constantly on the rise until I make a decision to cut back... which I think may be soon because the time consumption reflects the # of players in the ranking and the # of matches played and seems to exceed the "fun limit"...
I hope no one will be angry when that is done...

nitsansh
02-15-2004, 01:32 AM
ranking updated on Saturday

WyveN
02-15-2004, 01:57 AM
the interesting thing about doing ranking projection is to be ahead of the official scorers... if anyone is interested in those ranking ranges I can easily publish them

I would be interested, particularly in the fringe top 100 rankings rather then doubles. If its not to much trouble.

MisterQ
02-15-2004, 02:00 AM
nitsansh = rankings GOD!!! :worship:

nitsansh
02-15-2004, 03:14 AM
97 Carlsen 390 pts
98 Van Scheppingen 385
99 Levy 383
100 Rusedski 382
101 Behrend 379
102 Sanguinetti 374
103 Verdasco 374
104 Mutis 369
105 Gasquet 367
106 Goldstein 365
107 C Rochus 364
Further down:
Kendrick 344
Montanes 337

Tipsarevic
02-15-2004, 06:48 AM
So if Andy wins the title he's #2 and Mardy if he wins is #18?

J. Corwin
02-15-2004, 10:27 AM
Mardy would probably be 19...I think...according to nit's chart.

i love paradorn
02-15-2004, 04:21 PM
you can just go to tennisfacts.com and see how many points your fav player has to defend for the week

nitsansh
02-15-2004, 11:31 PM
Ranking upadated after Milano, San Jose finals.

Roddick takes over #2 from Ferrero, Federer's lead shrinks from 880 to 780 pts - not something he should worry about...

Fish climbed to #19 - a carrer high I guess?

Surely #64 is a carreer-high for Dupuis, who won his first ATP title at Milan after mega-dramatic final, with as many as 10(!) match points.

In less than 2 hours Kuerten and Gonzalez play the final at Vina del Mar. Kuerten can't advance from #17, but win for Gonzalez will lift him to #25, and that might be another carreer record.

nitsansh
02-15-2004, 11:34 PM
you can just go to tennisfacts.com and see how many points your fav player has to defend for the week

but no source I am aware of gives you as many details as this!

Deboogle!.
02-15-2004, 11:38 PM
no nitsansh we really appreciate all your hard work!!!

oh and Mardy was either 18 or 19 after he won Stockholm last year

Scotso
02-16-2004, 01:08 AM
Go Karol :bounce:

Make the top 60!

nitsansh
02-16-2004, 01:13 AM
That's right... Mardy reached record ranking of 19 on October 27 following win at Stockholm. He dropped to 20 the following week so I must have overlooked it...
At that time of year I was watching the champions race rather than entry ranking, and in fact on the week of Oct 27 Fish held 17th spot in the race...

Deboogle!.
02-16-2004, 01:23 AM
interesting! thanks for the research!!!

Deboogle!.
02-16-2004, 05:19 AM
I know the calendar is screwed up this year. but can nitsansh or someone who knows more than I do explain how this works?

Take Roger for example, last year this week (that's just ending) he played, and won, Marseille.

So his points didn't come off for Marseille right? They'll come off when Marseille actually happens (even though it's two weeks later?)

Am I making any sense? I'm not sure if I understand my own question :( :o

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2004, 05:28 AM
I think that Rogers points did come off, but his optional events total is just so sublime that it made little difference on his ranking.

Deboogle!.
02-16-2004, 05:41 AM
So the points still came off this past week even though the event is two weeks later than it was? I don't care about the actual numbers, I'm just trying to figure out how it works for my own curiosity :)

Why does this have to be so confusing? :sad: lol

J. Corwin
02-16-2004, 08:42 AM
Yes, those points should still have come off. It goes by week, not necessarily by tournament, I think. :)

jtipson
02-16-2004, 10:16 AM
Yep, Roger's 175 points for Marseille did come off; they get replaced with his previous 19th result, which was a final in Gstaad worth 120. So he loses only 55 points.

Points come off 52 weeks after they went on (with exception of the Masters' Cup which normally come off with the last event of the year). When there's a stagger or a tournament moves dates, it can be confusing. SteveG's site has a list of when old tournament points come off and when they go on, for every week of the year.

Havok
02-16-2004, 01:31 PM
I think that Rogers points did come off, but his optional events total is just so sublime that it made little difference on his ranking.
yes, Federer was indeed the ruler of the Mickey Mouse Club for the year of 2003

star
02-16-2004, 01:43 PM
Yep, Roger's 175 points for Marseille did come off; they get replaced with his previous 19th result, which was a final in Gstaad worth 120. So he loses only 55 points.

Points come off 52 weeks after they went on (with exception of the Masters' Cup which normally come off with the last event of the year). When there's a stagger or a tournament moves dates, it can be confusing. SteveG's site has a list of when old tournament points come off and when they go on, for every week of the year.

God Bless Steve G. :worship:

Do any of us ever give him enough credit?

jtipson
02-16-2004, 02:22 PM
God Bless Steve G. :worship:

Do any of us ever give him enough credit?

I don't know what I'd do without him or Fredde :)

star
02-16-2004, 02:27 PM
I don't know Fredde.

jtipson
02-16-2004, 02:46 PM
Fredde's site gives, amongst other things, defence points and best 18 players, see http://www.tennisfacts.com/summary.htm . He normally updates once a week on a Saturday (so you see Andy's total is slightly out because it doesn't yet include San Jose win). Quite interesting for stat freaks :)

Oh, and he's Swedish of course ;)

Deboogle!.
02-16-2004, 03:46 PM
Thank you everyone!! :kiss: :kiss:

Chloe le Bopper
02-16-2004, 09:08 PM
yes, Federer was indeed the ruler of the Mickey Mouse Club for the year of 2003
You mean it wasn't Roddick? I'd have to compare the draws of the tournaments they played to make my mind up on that one ;)

J. Corwin
02-17-2004, 05:08 PM
I love tennisfacts site. Almost forgot about it, thanks for the reminder.

Havok
02-17-2004, 08:15 PM
You mean it wasn't Roddick? I'd have to compare the draws of the tournaments they played to make my mind up on that one ;)
it's quite the shocker isnt it, that Roddick wasnt the Mickey Mouse Club leader for 2003:)

nitsansh
02-18-2004, 02:53 AM
Ranking updates after (most) Tuesday matches

Deboogle!.
02-18-2004, 03:02 AM
thanks nitsansh! Taylor will drop out of the top 30 with his first round loss. wow.

nitsansh
02-18-2004, 03:46 AM
I bet he'll drop further down than 35...

joske
02-18-2004, 08:51 AM
Ferrero back at 3..... :(

Chloe le Bopper
02-18-2004, 09:23 AM
it's quite the shocker isnt it, that Roddick wasnt the Mickey Mouse Club leader for 2003:)
No, see... either you've misunderstood "MIckey Mouse" tournament, or you just define them differently. Optional events aren't necessarily "MIckey Mouse". It depends on the field. Compare Rotterdam to Memphis, for example. Or compare Buenos Aires to the optional clay events that Roddick plays.

This is why I would have to examine the draws to make up my mind... but I don't care enough to bother ;)

Action Jackson
02-18-2004, 10:46 AM
St Polten was one of the biggest Mickey Mouse events, then again Naldo probably thinks Dubai was a Mickey Mouse event as well, if it's not in North America or a TMS event in Europe is it "Mickey Mouse" according to some people.

Ok, Federer won Munich which was of a higher standard than St Polten albeit both tournaments weren't the best.

Vienna is better than any indoor event they have in the US in terms of overall player depth and we know Pandy's great indoor record don't we.

WyveN
02-18-2004, 11:46 AM
I don't think Naldo realises what a "optional event" is - they are not all Houston clay standard you know
if Federer's events are mickey mouse then Roddicks are certainly donald duck

WyveN
02-18-2004, 11:49 AM
This is why I would have to examine the draws to make up my mind... but I don't care enough to bother ;)

Neither does Naldo but I guess Naldo saw a perfect opportunity to make a stupid statement

nitsansh
02-19-2004, 12:14 AM
Ranking updated on Wednesday

Havok
02-19-2004, 12:23 AM
nitsansh, how come Roddick didn't drop any points? was Memphis 2003 already taken out last week??

Havok
02-19-2004, 12:28 AM
:yawn: im sorry but you used to reffer to Andy's tournament wins as Mickey Mouse tournaments because they were just that, regular tournaments. and since when is an International Series Gold event mickey mouse club??? but yeah the field sucks. but then again, take a look at Roger's optional 5 tournament wins in 2003, and i doubt sure those draws were all filled with top names. and Roger opted out on Queens club, and chose some other crap grass ourt tournament. and St.Poelten was a mickey mouse club tournament, but it was his very 1st tournament win outside the US. but then again his only "good" win was over Davydenko in the finals:lol:

WyveN
02-19-2004, 12:39 AM
at the end of the day
federer holds 3 out of the 5 biggest titles in the past 12 months
so all so called "mickey mouse tournies" are just a bonus

Havok
02-19-2004, 12:55 AM
true, but he still was the rules of those tournaments in 2003;) which was the point i was trying to make, that's all. no more, no less

Chloe le Bopper
02-19-2004, 03:35 AM
im sorry but you used to reffer to Andy's tournament wins as Mickey Mouse tournaments because they were just that, regular tournaments

Uh, no. By "Mickey Mouse Tournament" I always have and always will mean "weak field". I don't care what level of regular tournament it is. IF the field is weak, the field is weak. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with winning them.. I'm just calling it like it is.

I don't dbout that Federer has won a few, btw. Ferrero has too. So has Coria. Etc. Moya has won 5 millions ;)

Lisbeth
02-19-2004, 04:26 AM
Thanks very much for posting and updating these threads, they are invaluable!

nitsansh
02-20-2004, 03:26 AM
nitsansh, how come Roddick didn't drop any points? was Memphis 2003 already taken out last week??
Roddick's 175 pts from Memphis 2003 will drop off next Monday, as you can see in the "off" column.
Therfor, if he loses before the final this week, his points tally will drop back to 4335, which was his score last week...
Because Ferrero has only 60 pts coming off, and he has allready regained them by reaching the QF, he is now 10 pts ahead of Roddick, and he could increase the gap to 60 pts if he gets to SF.
Whatever the results this week, there will be no change between 4 and 8, but 3 players just outside the top-10 can climb up to #9 or #10.
The 10th berth is now held by Hewitt, who could move above his countryman Phillippoussis if he gets to the SF.
Henman can move into the top-10 if he upset Federer in the QF at Rotterdam while Hewitt lose to Schuettler.
Massu also has a chance to get to #10, but he should win at Buenos Aires to do so.
The only other remaining player in the top 20 is Mardy Fish, who will overtake Verkerk in 18th if he gets to SF at Memphis. He will have to win the tourney to move another place up to 17th.
Only 3 players are still in action between 20 and 50, and 2 of them should meet each other in the QF, leaving no more than 2 after tommorrow.
Zabaleta, currently at #26, can move as high as #22 if he wins at Buenos Aires.
Mirnyi or Nieminen can also climb to #22 if any of them win at Rotterdam.

Doris Loeffel
02-20-2004, 10:13 AM
nit one can't thank you enough for all that counting ;)

nitsansh
02-20-2004, 11:50 AM
Updated after late matches on Thursday (wins for Roddick and Moya).

Interesting observation:
7 of the 8 players in the QF at Rotterdam are top-50 players, and the one other player is Sluiter, who is ranked 62 this week but is still 2 wins short of regaining the 175 pts he earned last year when he reached the final (lost to Mirnyi).

Meanwhile, at Memphis, the top 2 seeds Roddick and Fish are the only remaining top-50 players, but 8th seed Kiefer (#57 this week) might be close to the top-50 by now... not far behind are Gambill at #63, Malisse at #65, and Johansson at #71, and those 4 meet between them in the QF (Gambill v Kiefer, Johansson v Malisse) so 2 of them will continue their progress.
The remaining 2 players in the QF are at the bottom quarter of the top-100, and as they face Roddick and Fish today, it's hard to expect Enqvist and Tursunov to go further.

At Buenos aires, the 4 seeds remaining - #1 Coria, #2 Moya, #3 Massu and #6 Zabaleta - are all top-30 players, but behind them there's a big gap to Ferrer at #70. The other 3 players in the QF are outside the top-100, but Gasquet should be back in the top-100 next week, and Acasuso could also get there - according to my provisional calculation he is now levelled with Behrend at #100.
Monaco is quite a distance further back, I don't think he is in the top-150 as this is the first time I read this name in the context of a tennis player's last name rather than his residency...

nitsansh
02-20-2004, 12:05 PM
One result allready in from Rotterdam: Mirnyi beat Nieminen, and he is back in the top-30 at #28.
The next match is Hewitt v Schuettler - win for Hewitt will lift him to #9, and he will remain there unless Henman beat him in the SF (and Tim must beat Federer first to get to that stage).

The other matches today are not scheduled to start for at least 4 hours.

jtipson
02-20-2004, 12:12 PM
Hewitt and Schuettler are playing right now...

...wierd schedule, Lleyton has to play doubles right after! The other qfs don't start until 7:30pm local time (just after 1pm now).

nitsansh
02-20-2004, 02:52 PM
They should have put Lleyton's singles match first IMO, or play the doubles yesterday with the rest of the QF.

nitsansh
02-20-2004, 03:23 PM
A look ahead to the remaining matches on Friday
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Rotterdam:
The night session that starts at 18.30 GMT (19.30 local time) features the top 2 players in the projected ranking. Federer plays first against Henman, followed by Ferrero against local hero Sluiter.
There's no immediate gain for Federer at this stage - he must reach the final to further increase his awesome points tally, which is about to shrink the following week when his 300 pts from Dubai come off (a week before he has a chance to regain them).
Therefore, win for Ferrero will cut 50 pts from Federer's lead, but more significantly, will create 60 pts gap between him and Roddick - a lead that will keep him in 2nd unless Roddick wins the final at Memphis.
If Henman beat Federer (and if I recall correctly, Federer's last defeat was to Henman at Paris Masters), he will move above Srichaphan to 11th place - the position he holds in this week's ranking - but will remain 5 pts behind Philippoussis. If he wins his next match against Hewitt, he will leap above both Aussies to 9th, and you need quite a long memory to recall the last time he was ranked as high as this.
As for Sluiter... if he wins he will be still 65 pts short of the points he has to defend this week, so this just reduce his fall and will probably keep him in the top-70.

star
02-20-2004, 03:36 PM
Thanks, Nitsanch

jtipson
02-20-2004, 03:39 PM
If Henman beat Federer (and if I recall correctly, Federer's last defeat was to Henman at Paris Masters), he will move above Srichaphan to 11th place - the position he holds in this week's ranking - but will remain 5 pts behind Philippoussis. If he wins his next match against Hewitt, he will leap above both Aussies to 9th, and you need quite a long memory to recall the last time he was ranked as high as this.


Awww, not *that* long actually, it was only last year that Henman was in the top 10. Ok, the beginning of last year: he was ranked 9th before the AO that he didn't play due to injury...

Chance of Tim getting back in there this week though? Well, he might have a very good chance of beating Roger (hope he doesn't this time), but can't see him breaking his duck against Lleyton though - he's 0-6.

nitsansh
02-20-2004, 03:46 PM
Buenos Aires:
The quarter finals get under way at 17.00 GMT, with Massu vs Gasquet - the only match not involving Argentinians naturally scheduled first - to be followed by 2 local favorites - the top seed Coria against the unknown Monaco.
The evening session features 2 more locals in seperated matches - Acasuso vs Ferrer followed by Zabaleta vs Moya.
There are no moves in prospect for the top 2 seeds, Coria and Moya, not only this week but also in the forseeable future (at least until Indian Wells).
Zabaleta, despite not improving his points tally so far, has allready climbed 4 berths to #26, and he will move one more spot up if he wins today.
The big move - 3 places further up to #22, 8 spots from the beginning of the week - is expected if he gets to the final, and the next match "on paper" should be easier - the winner of Ferrer vs Acasuso.
If he wins the tournament he will ensure that Mirnyi can't overtake him in 22nd place should he manage to win in Rotterdam for the 2nd year in a row.
Speaking of defending champions... from the 6 finalists this week last year, the only one that is out so far is Dent, the winner at Memphis, and that makes him the biggest loser of the week in the top 100 I guess, with a drop of 14 places to #36.

Deboogle!.
02-20-2004, 04:01 PM
Speaking of defending champions... from the 6 finalists this week last year, the only one that is out so far is Dent, the winner at Memphis, and that makes him the biggest loser of the week in the top 100 I guess, with a drop of 14 places to #36.


:eek: wow.. poor guy :sad: I sure hope he can figure out what's going on in between his ears!

drf716
02-20-2004, 04:13 PM
i'd like the competition between marat, hewitt, guga, and the likes to come back pls....

nitsansh
02-20-2004, 04:22 PM
Memphis:
This tournament has an earlier start than all others today. Well... they have to start early to get 4 men's QF and 2 women's SF on center court, don't they?
The schedule starts at 10.30 AM (16.30 GMT) with Joachim Johansson vs Malisse, followed by Gambill vs Kiefer. None of these is in the top-50, but Kiefer could get there if he wins (yet to calculate his score...).
The organizers have scheduled the all-Russian encounter between Zvonareva and Sharapova next, and last on the day session is yet another Russian - Tursunov - against Mardy Fish.
The 2nd seed will get to a carreer-high 18th place if he wins this match.
As usual, Roddick gets the last match of the day, or night rather - he plays against Enqvist after the 2nd women semi of Raymond (the defending champion and 2nd seed) vs Granville. I guess that result will remain for tommorrow's ranking, as it probably won't start until 4AM at my time zone...
Anyway... as previousely said, Roddick won't improve his points tally, nor regain 2nd place, until he reach the final, so no move in prospect for him today.
By the time he plays his semifinal - anyone dares to bet he won't get there - Ferrero might be 125 pts ahead of him. In case JC lose tonight, Roddick can overtake him if he gets to Memphis final.
If I did my math right, in case Ferrero lose in semi or final and Roddick wins the title - Roddick will be #2 next week. A title for Ferrero in Rotterdam will make sure he is #2 even if Roddick gets back-to-back titles.
It looks like these 2 will continue their battle for #2 for some time, until one takes a decisive lead, and that won't happend before Indian Wells or Miami.

Deboogle!.
02-20-2004, 05:02 PM
By the time he plays his semifinal - anyone dares to bet he won't get there -

Thanks again nitsansh for all your calculations! I'd never ever be able to figure this all out :lol:

as for the above statement which I quoted. I'm not 100% convinced he will (though I'm also not so sure as to be able to bet against it lol). Enqvist is playing well. But so is Andy, so it could be a tough match.

oxy
02-20-2004, 05:12 PM
thanx nitsansh for all these....:)

nitsansh
02-21-2004, 03:04 AM
Ranking updated

nitsansh
02-21-2004, 10:51 AM
Ranking updated after all quarter finals.

Roddick's QF loss to Enqvist means, of course, he drops to #3 and Ferrero climbs to #2.

Let's take a look to the lower-ranked players who are still playing on Saturday...

Kiefer is back in the top-50 at #48 (9 places up)
Johansson climbs 12 berths to #59
Enqvist moves 16 spots up to #64
Gasquet goes 21 up to #84
Acasuso moves 19 up to #92

The "prize" for biggest fall in the top-100 goes to Sluiter, for his drop of 16 places for #78.

For those who are interested who gets in and out of the top-100...
At this moment, Gasquet and Acasuso are going in, Ascione and Vahaly are out.
On the brink of the top-100 and still in action are Vacek and Norman, who meet in the SF at Andrezieux, a 100K challenger in France. Win for Vacek will lift him into the top-100, Norman has to win the title to get into top-100.
If any of them goes in, Rusedski will be the one going out as he is now at #100. Harel Levy is just above him at #99, but he is safe in the top-100 for another week.

Lady
02-21-2004, 12:38 PM
Thank you, nitsansh!!

I like the rivarly between Andy & JC for #2 place!!
And Lleyton back to Top 10! Congratulations!!

Tennis Fool
02-21-2004, 02:07 PM
The Return of the Potato :lol:

nitsansh
02-21-2004, 02:19 PM
I just read that Federer pulled out of Marseilles next week, so his points tally will drop to 4980 in the ranking of March 1st.
Ferrero can get to 4535 pts if he wins at Rotterdam, and he DOES play at Marseilles and can close the gap even further the following week.

Billabong
02-21-2004, 02:29 PM
I'm so sad Rogi pulled out, and I'm worried because he didn't tell what was his injury!

Get well soon Rogi:)!

Deboogle!.
02-21-2004, 02:54 PM
oh no get better Roger.

I don't like all these injuries :sad:

jtipson
02-21-2004, 05:09 PM
I just read that Federer pulled out of Marseille next week, so his points tally will drop to 4980 in the ranking of March 1st.


Nit, doesn't Roger drop 240 giving him 4930 on 1st March (300 from Dubai off, replaced by his 19th score 60 from Rotterdam)? Or have I missed something and his 19th is something better?

nitsansh
02-21-2004, 11:22 PM
You're right. A closer look at Federer's results reveals that his 19th score (in fact the 20th since the Masters Cup is extra) is the 110 pts from Rotterdam 2003 which expire this week, and the 60 pts in Rotterdam he earned this week will become his 19th score in next week's ranking.
When Dubai 2003 expire on March 1st those 60 pts will replace the 300 from Dubai in his points tally, and the 25 pts in Basel will become the new 19th score.
Therefor, 4930 pts for Federer in the ranking of March 1st.

nitsansh
02-21-2004, 11:34 PM
If Ferrero wins in Rotterdam he'll have 4535 pts. He can gain further 100 pts if he also win in Marseilles, and get as high as 4635, less than 300 pts from Federer.
That means, unless Federer win in Dubai and regain the points he will lose next week, the #1 spot will be at stake as early as Indian Wells.

None of the top 3 has big points to defend at IW and Miami.
Federer has 35 at IW and 125 in Miami.
Ferrero has 35 pts in both.
Roddick has 125 at IW and 35 at Miami.

With 1000 pts at stake between the 2 TMS, Federer's crown could be in danger...

Leo
02-22-2004, 12:25 AM
Vamos Ferrero! Go get the #1 ranking that you don't deserve! You can be the Kim Clijsters of 2004! :banana:

Deboogle!.
02-22-2004, 02:24 AM
LOL Leo!!

Why wouldn't he deserve it though?

J. Corwin
02-22-2004, 09:11 PM
thanks for all these updates

Billabong
02-23-2004, 04:08 AM
Indian Wells and Miami will be very interesting tournaments to see who will be #1;)!!!

nitsansh
02-24-2004, 01:19 AM
Ranking updated on Monday Feb 24

JeLuliA88
02-24-2004, 01:48 AM
Thanks

rogicomel
02-24-2004, 09:33 AM
I'm sure Rogi knows just what to do....

Neways, thx for the info.

TheBoiledEgg
02-25-2004, 04:17 AM
I know the calendar is screwed up this year. but can nitsansh or someone who knows more than I do explain how this works?

Take Roger for example, last year this week (that's just ending) he played, and won, Marseille.

So his points didn't come off for Marseille right? They'll come off when Marseille actually happens (even though it's two weeks later?)

Am I making any sense? I'm not sure if I understand my own question :( :o

pts come of exactly 52 weeks after they go on.
if they came off when the tourn was next played..... what happens if that tourn is cancelled ;) :devil:

Dubai (300) Acapulco (250) comes off along with Copenhagen (175)
pts for tourn winners.

Pink Panther
02-25-2004, 09:58 PM
If nitsansh is willing to update this periodically (thx for doing all this btw ;) ), can we please have this thread pinned moderators? I think we're all finding the table very useful.

nitsansh
02-27-2004, 02:27 AM
Updated after thursday matches

nitsansh
02-27-2004, 11:55 PM
Updated after Marseille QF

nitsansh
02-28-2004, 05:26 PM
Updated after Marseille SF

nitsansh
02-29-2004, 08:16 PM
updated after Brasil and Marseille finals

nitsansh
03-03-2004, 03:40 AM
Updated on Tuesday (late matches at ACA and SCO remaining)

Billabong
03-03-2004, 04:25 AM
Thanks for the updates nitsansh!
I hope Rogi defends his points this week:)!
GO FED:D!!!

Chloe le Bopper
03-05-2004, 06:43 AM
If nitsansh is willing to update this periodically (thx for doing all this btw ;) ), can we please have this thread pinned moderators? I think we're all finding the table very useful.
That would be helpful. Perhaps you should ask in the bugs thread, since the admins don't seem to read this one.

Thanks for the updates. Indian Wells is 32 seeds, right? Iiiiinteresting. I assume they are made based on the ranks after this week?

Frooty_Bazooty
03-05-2004, 08:50 AM
no, they do the rankings from the week before the previous week (ie. the end of the Marseille week).

J. Corwin
03-05-2004, 08:57 AM
yea they always use the rankings from a bit earlier

jtipson
03-05-2004, 09:04 AM
For seeding, they usually use the last rankings available before the draw is made. Does anyone know if there is a specific rule about this? I guess there will be (but can't be bothered to read the rulebook right now).

Anyway, since the draw for IW isn't done until Tuesday, as I understand it they will use the rankings of 8th March for the seedings. And I guess that means that outside the top 8, the places haven't yet been finalized.

Since there are 32 seeds this year I believe, it also means Rafael Nadal has a reasonable chance of getting one if he does really well in Dubai.

Chloe le Bopper
03-05-2004, 09:35 AM
For seeding, they usually use the last rankings available before the draw is made. Does anyone know if there is a specific rule about this? I guess there will be (but can't be bothered to read the rulebook right now).

I was under that impression as well. Since when have they seeded based on old rankings? :confused:

I know that the entry cut off is much earlier, but that isn't what I was talking about.


Anyway, since the draw for IW isn't done until Tuesday, as I understand it they will use the rankings of 8th March for the seedings. And I guess that means that outside the top 8, the places haven't yet been finalized.

Can anybody verify or falsify this?

Since when do they use old rankings to seed? :confused:

Since there are 32 seeds this year I believe, it also means Rafael Nadal has a reasonable chance of getting one if he does really well in Dubai.

Right.. that's why i was wondering. But he'd likely need to make the finals to do it. I think that if he wins today he moves ahead a couple spaces, but he'd need Jarkko to lose, and Flo losing wouldn't hurt either.

TheBoiledEgg
03-05-2004, 11:39 AM
Indian Wells for the ladies event has used different seeds. Some yrs they use the latest ranks, last yr they used the previous weeks.

Mens is a 96 sraw 1st time this yr, but they start a few days after the ladies, so they possibly will use next weeks ranks. who knows ??

sebastiagol
03-06-2004, 06:50 AM
Cool!! so..if Massu gets into the final in Acapulco he will get number 9.

azza
03-06-2004, 07:05 AM
Mark You suck :(

nitsansh
03-06-2004, 12:31 PM
Tim Henman is confirmed at #10.

If Lopez beat Youzhny in SF he'll move up to #21. Win in final will lift him another spot to #20.

Spadea can go as high as #21 if he wins at Scottsdale.
Nieminen also can jump as high as #21 with win at Dubai.
Chela can go as high as #24 if he wins Acapulco.
Kiefer can go as high as #35.
Youzhny can go to #42.
Hanescu to #56.
Verdasco to #57.
Berdych to #76.
llodra to #93.
Canas will enter the top-100 at #89 if he wins SF, win in final can lift him to #69!

nitsansh
03-06-2004, 11:05 PM
Players ranking changes between Melbourne and Indian Wells:

From the 1st grand slam to the 1st masters series there were 4 weeks of optional tournaments, and nothing much has changed at the top of the ranking.
The top 8 are as they were on February 2nd, with only small changes in points:
Federer 2 Feb 5225 - 8 Mar 5080 (5170 if he wins final)
Ferrero 4345 - 4460
Roddick 4335 - 4335 (4390)
Coria 3185 - 3240
Agassi 2875 - 2770
Schuettler 2510 - 2495
Moya 2345 - 2290 (2420)
Nalbandian 2060 - 1965

Then the changes begin...
Hewitt (13 after AO) and Henman (11) overtake Philippoussis and Srichaphan in the top 10.
Massu advanced from 14 to 12, while Grosjean moved in the opposite direction.
The 2 dutchmen, Schalken and Verkerk, remain in 15 and 18 respectively, while between them Novak and Kuerten exchange places.
Fish re-entered the top-20 with 2 places move from 21 to 19, while Robredo should wait till tommorrow to see if he remains in the top-20 or Lopez gets #20.
Whatever the result in Dubai final, Lopez will make one of the biggest moves inside the top-50, from #33 after AO.
The jury is still out also on Spadea, Chela and Kiefer, so I'll better wait for tommorrow night, or Monday rather to discuss moves further down... must have something to get myself busy until IW start...

jazz_girl
03-06-2004, 11:47 PM
Thanks a lot for all of your updates! I love reading them! ;)
J.

sebastiagol
03-07-2004, 12:49 AM
and the position of Gonzalez??

nitsansh
03-07-2004, 06:03 PM
Updated after Besancon final.
Champion Tomas Berdych goes up 14 berths to 79!
The best jumper inside the top-100 this week (but Verdasco is the best jumper INTO the top-100!!)

nitsansh
03-07-2004, 08:10 PM
updated after Dubai final.

Federer's win brings him back to 5170 pts (his total 2 weeks ago) and increase his lead over Ferrero to 710 pts.
That's 170 less than he had a month ago right after his Melbourne triumph, but still a healthy lead that should keep him #1 for the next month.
Roger has 160 pts to defend between Miami and Indian Wells, the same as Roddick and 90 more than Ferrero. There are 1000 pts at stake in these back-to-back masters series tourneys, and JC or Andy practically need to win one and reach the final in the other to overtake federer even if the #1 lose very early.

Kiara
03-07-2004, 08:29 PM
Thanks nitsansh.
I hope Roger doesnt get too lonely at the top, cos it's looks like he's going to be there for a while ;)

Billabong
03-07-2004, 10:12 PM
Yeah well done Fed:)!!! Thanks for the update:)!

RogiFan88
03-07-2004, 10:46 PM
Thanks nitsansh.
I hope Roger doesnt get too lonely at the top, cos it's looks like he's going to be there for a while ;)

You think so?? What about Pandy and Juanqui? If either of them wins I Wells, that could change everything... after the US season, then we move to clay... s be interesting to see what happens then!! ;) These guys will keep us hopping and biting our nails... :p

J. Corwin
03-07-2004, 11:11 PM
Well Roger certainly deserves the top so why not the added points cushion. :)

Lisbeth
03-08-2004, 12:38 AM
I just want to say thanks yet again for posting this info for we mere mortals who can't figure it out for ourselves!

rogicomel
03-08-2004, 01:08 AM
Yep, let the most deserving world no 1 stay there for as long as he wants to......

kfh_9118
03-08-2004, 01:25 AM
Thanks for your prompt update, nitsansh :)
I agree, we should stick this thread at the top, this is really helpful for all of us :)

:worship:

nitsansh
03-08-2004, 01:30 AM
Let's not go too far... although in his current form I don't see Federer losing #1 until he defends his Wimby title, if Roddick in particular win in IW or Miami, and improve his clay game, he has a good chance to return to #1 in late spring or early summer... he has just a few hundred points to defend between now and June...
It will be harder for Ferrero since he earned many points on the spring clay season, including of course the FO... I once calculated exactly how many points these 3 could lose until June and you might find it earlier in this thread...
I can only project at this point that Fed will be top seed at Monte Carlo, the first of 3 masters on clay in 3rd week of April...

nitsansh
03-08-2004, 01:33 AM
Thanks for your prompt update, nitsansh :)
I agree, we should stick this thread at the top, this is really helpful for all of us :)

:worship:

That's a good idea... I won't have to add a message "updated on XXX" just to bump it up...

Deboogle!.
03-08-2004, 01:34 AM
I don't see Andy really threatening for #1 again for a while. He seems to have hit an inconsistent patch, plus his back is definitely hindering him a little. Nope, don't see it at this point.

nitsansh
03-08-2004, 02:33 AM
Points to defend, Indian Wells to Roland Garros 2003:
Date Tourney name Level Points Seed Surface Round Entry

1. Roger Fedrerer 5170 pts

Mandatory events (GS+MS):
2003-05-26 French Open GS 5 5 Clay 1
2003-05-12 Hamburg MS 75 3 Clay R16
2003-05-05 Rome MS 350 4 Clay F
2003-04-14 Monte Carlo MS 0 0 Clay 1
2003-03-17 Miami MS 125 4 Hard QF
2003-03-10 Indian Wells MS 35 4 Hard 2
Optional events:
2003-04-28 Munich WS 175 1 Clay W
Total: mandatory 590 + optional 175 (60 19th score) = 705 points to defend


2. Juan Carlos Ferrero ESP 4460
mandatory:
2003-05-26 French Open GS 1000 3 Clay W
2003-05-12 Hamburg MS 0 0 Clay DNP
2003-05-05 Rome MS 225 2 Clay SF
2003-04-14 Monte Carlo MS 500 1 Clay W
2003-03-17 Miami MS 35 3 Hard 3
2003-03-10 Indian Wells MS 35 3 Hard 2
Optional:
2003-04-28 Valencia WS 175 1 Clay W
2003-04-21 Barcelona CS 135 1 Clay SF
Total: madatory 1795 + optional 310 (40 19th score, 20th score unknown) = 2025 points to defend at least

3. Andy Roddick USA 4335
mandatory:
2003-05-26 French Open GS 5 6 Clay 1
2003-05-12 Hamburg MS 35 4 Clay 2
2003-05-05 Rome MS 35 5 Clay 2
2003-04-14 Monte Carlo MS 5 3 Clay 1
2003-03-17 Miami MS 35 6 Hard 3
2003-03-10 Indian Wells MS 125 6 Hard QF
optional:
2003-05-19 St. Polten WS 175 1 Clay W
2003-04-21 Houston WS 120 2 Clay F
Total: mandatory 240 + optional 295 (19th score 110, 20th score unknown) = 315 pts to defend at least

I'm quite sure both Fed and Rod will improve their points tally this spring compared to last year. JC, who has over 2000 pts to defend, including 2 major titles at Paris and Monte Carlo, will find it hard to improve on his favorite clay, but will likely do better than 3rd round at both IW and Miami.

Deboogle!.
03-08-2004, 02:37 AM
WOW thank you SO much!!!!!

LCeh
03-08-2004, 03:08 AM
Thanks A LOT for the analysis. :)

2025 points to defend at least

:eek:

I really doubt he can defend all those points...

RogiFan88
03-08-2004, 03:24 AM
Yes, your updates are very much appreciated, thank you!

Poor Juanqui... so many points to defend... I knew he s have won Rotterdam off Hewitt... grrrrr...

Can he possibly win Indian Wells to offset his lost pts???

Praying already for him... :angel:

nitsansh
03-08-2004, 03:26 AM
Points coming off IW + Miami
--------------------------------
Coria 75+75
Agassi 0+500
Schuettler 225+35
Moya 75+350
Nalbandian 5+35
Hewitt 500+5
Henman 35+5

Hewitt and Agassi, the defending champions at IW and Miami respectively, as well as Miami finalist Moya, have the most points to defend in the coming month among the top-10 players.
Coria is surely safe in 4th place until his big clay points coming off, and probably further since I don't expect Agassi to do well on clay.
Moya could overtake Schuettler after IW but it may be reversed in Miami.
Nalbandian has only 80 pts to defend until Hamburg and could move up.
Hewitt has very few points to defend the rest of the year after IW, and will likely move up as well.
Henman has no big points to defend until Queens and Wimbledon, and I would expect him to stay in the top-10 until his "home court" tourneys...
Massu has also few points to defend until July and has good chance IMO to move into the top 10, but it's hard to see who would move out...
The gap between 9th and 16th is less than 200 pts so I would expect frequent moves among this group...
Hewitt could actually drop outside the top-20 if he lose early in IW, but I'm sure he will soon be back in the top-10 if only he stays healthy and in good standing with ATP...

Deboogle!.
03-08-2004, 03:28 AM
:eek:

I really doubt he can defend all those points...


I doubt it too, but it could be worse.

By my calculations (which are most likely poor at best), Andy has 2200 to defend from the end of July-September and 2875 if you add Wimby and Queen's. ouchie.

nitsansh
03-08-2004, 03:43 AM
Thanks A LOT for the analysis. :)



:eek:

I really doubt he can defend all those points...

Well... if he manages to defend FO and win one of 3 MS this is doable... that's 1500 pts of those 2000... considering that he missed Hamburg last year he can improve on that, but not by much, so it's quite impossible to close his 700 points deficit from Fed... unless he gets the points at IW and Miami... and Ferrero at his best is capable of playing as good as anyone on hard court ... SF at US Open, QF at AO, win at Madrid MS and just recently final at Rotterdam show he can do much better than R32 as he did in both IW and Miami last year...

LCeh
03-08-2004, 03:51 AM
Hmm.. that's true. Let's just hope that his injuries won't be bothering him at FO and the 2 upcoming tournies.

nitsansh
03-08-2004, 04:07 AM
I doubt it too, but it could be worse.

By my calculations (which are most likely poor at best), Andy has 2200 to defend from the end of July-September and 2875 if you add Wimby and Queen's. ouchie.

Points to defend for Roddick in June-Sep:

mandatory:
2003-08-25 US Open GS 1000 4 Hard W
2003-08-11 Cincinnati MS 500 7 Hard W
2003-08-04 Montreal MS 500 6 Hard W
2003-06-23 Wimbledon GS 450 5 Grass SF
optional:
2003-06-09 Queens Club WS 225 3 Grass W
2003-07-21 Indianapolis WS 200 1 Hard W

Your calculation was right... but you should not count optional events as net loss because most players have "back up" points that would get in instead...
No doubt, when US summer hardcourt season comes Andy will struggle to defend all those points... therefor his chance to return to #1 depend on a good spring... no doubt he can do better than QF and R32 in IW and Miami, and 2 wins in the 4 major clay events... once in a blue moon a player makes it to #1 with a string of success on one type of courts, but that usually doesn't last long, and those will have an asterix attached to their name...

Deboogle!.
03-08-2004, 04:17 AM
Your calculation was right... but you should not count optional events as net loss because most players have "back up" points that would get in instead...
No doubt, when US summer hardcourt season comes Andy will struggle to defend all those points... therefor his chance to return to #1 depend on a good spring... no doubt he can do better than QF and R32 in IW and Miami, and 2 wins in the 4 major clay events... once in a blue moon a player makes it to #1 with a string of success on one type of courts, but that usually doesn't last long, and those will have an asterix attached to their name...

oh ok that makes sense, thanks :)

Normally I would agree with your analysis that he can do better in the Spring, but with the back problems and his more inconsistent play as of late I'm not so sure. Time will tell, though. It's all shaping up to be really interesting though, that is for sure!

vene
03-08-2004, 09:20 AM
Roger is obviously the best player in the world........I certainly hope he stays #1 for a very long time......

Doris Loeffel
03-08-2004, 09:35 AM
Thanks for the quick update and the great analysis - it's always very much appreciated

Pea
03-08-2004, 05:22 PM
Defending 705 points is very do able. Come on Roger!!

nitsansh
03-10-2004, 08:38 PM
Updated on Wednesday Mar 10

Billabong
03-10-2004, 09:45 PM
Hhhhmmm I hope Guga can defend his points:)!
Thanks nitsansh!

J. Corwin
03-10-2004, 10:27 PM
much thanks as always

nitsansh
03-12-2004, 01:22 AM
Updated after IW final qualifying round

Havok
03-12-2004, 03:50 AM
:woohoo: awesome job:D

MAURO
03-13-2004, 02:16 PM
anyone could update?

Deboogle!.
03-13-2004, 02:49 PM
I'm sure it'll be updated soon :)

Pea
03-13-2004, 09:41 PM
Imagine if Alex didn't win his 1st match.:o Come on Alex, keep up your ranking!!

nitsansh
03-13-2004, 10:53 PM
I'm sure it'll be updated soon :)

As soon as the last match in IW 1st round is completed... Verdasco and Escude are playing a deciding 3rd set tie break...

nitsansh
03-13-2004, 11:28 PM
The 1st round is just completed, and 3 players - Agassi, Bjorkman and Corretja - are allready through to the 3rd round... it's hard to keep the pace...

For Corretja fans... his 2nd round win put him level with Mutis on 386 pts in 101st place... need another win to re-enter the top-100...

Players at IW ranked lower than 110 will be added if they get through to 3rd round... there are 7 of them left, 4 are playing tonight (Haas, T Johansson, Arthurs, Larose) and 3 tommorrow (Bogomolov, Weiner, Hernych)... I don't expect more than 3 will go through...

nitsansh
03-14-2004, 03:14 AM
Updated after 9 matches in 2nd round.

Those 9 matches produced 4 upsets - Schuettler, Kuerten, Robredo and Lopez beaten by Arthurs, Dent, Corretja, Horna respectively.
Schuettler's defeat - hardly surprising giving his latest form (or lack of it rather) means he finally pays the penalty and drop to 7th place, but since Moya, who advanced to 6th, will lose 350 pts after Miami, Schuettler might continue losing and still overtake him on the ranking list of April 5th if Moya fails to get much further in these 2 tournaments.
Kuerten's failure to defend his runner-up points last year drops him to 19th, but he could hold on to top-20 because those just behind him - Robredo, Lopez and El Aynaoui - also are out of Indian Wells, so those further down, led by Gonzalez, have to reach 4th round or better to overtake him.

nitsansh
03-14-2004, 03:31 AM
The 10th 2nd round match just completed and produced yet another upset - Ginepri lost to Blake in all-American clash. Both these players were quarter-finalists last year, so Ginepri will drop at least 5 places (currently at 33), and Blake still need 2 wins to remain in the top-40. His next opponent is clay-speciallist Gaudio and then one of Dent, Verkerk or N Lapentti, so it looks doable...

With Ferrero and Schuettler both out, Moya is the highest seed remaining in the bottom quarter, and his strongest challengers, as far as ranking is concerned, are Massu and Verkerk... this quarter is widely opened-up for unseeded players like Dent, Blake, Nadal, Arazi or Soderling to reach the semifinal, don't you think?

Pea
03-14-2004, 05:44 AM
Thank you, nitsansh!:)

sebastiagol
03-14-2004, 07:29 AM
now he lost..Philippoussis will have 1560 points..
Srichaphan is going to maintain his 1655 but next week he need to revalidate 225 points (semifinal) so depending this and next week results he could be like 17 or 18..

J. Corwin
03-14-2004, 08:23 AM
Paradorn never broke into the top 10 did he? I think he peaked at 11.

Deboogle!.
03-14-2004, 02:54 PM
With Ferrero and Schuettler both out, Moya is the highest seed remaining in the bottom quarter, and his strongest challengers, as far as ranking is concerned, are Massu and Verkerk... this quarter is widely opened-up for unseeded players like Dent, Blake, Nadal, Arazi or Soderling to reach the semifinal, don't you think?

Definitely. And I'd be happy with any of the 5 you listed there in the semis. But I'll be cheering for James!

That's really too bad about Paradorn and Mark, wish they could get over what they are both going through.

jtipson
03-14-2004, 03:01 PM
Paradorn never broke into the top 10 did he? I think he peaked at 11.

He had two weeks at number 10 straight after the AO.

nitsansh
03-15-2004, 06:00 PM
Ranking updated after IW 2nd round + challenger finals.

Havok
03-15-2004, 06:28 PM
nitsansh, you have Hewitt with 1700 points, but he's around #17. how's that:scratch: did you write down the wrong numbers of his current rank or something???

jtipson
03-15-2004, 06:31 PM
It's correct as far as I can see: 1700 are last week's points for Lleyton. Take off 500 for IW defence, and he slips a long way...

Deboogle!.
03-15-2004, 06:40 PM
thanks as always!!!!

Havok
03-15-2004, 06:44 PM
oh, i thought the points you have there already have the points taken off. sorry

Deboogle!.
03-17-2004, 03:45 PM
omg will Mardy really go up to 17th???

jtipson
03-17-2004, 03:53 PM
Probably 17th, but he can still be caught by Calleri, Chela or even Taylor Dent at this point. Still, making good progress though, and clearly ahead of the other Americans (except Andy and Andre of course).

Deboogle!.
03-17-2004, 04:08 PM
:bigclap:

nitsansh
03-17-2004, 09:17 PM
Updated after Tuesday matches + 1 match Wednesday

nitsansh
03-20-2004, 01:17 AM
bump

silverwhite
03-20-2004, 03:24 AM
Ouch! Poor potato. :(

armaniman
03-20-2004, 03:32 AM
will greg break into the top 50?? this would be great for canadian tennis.

Havok
03-20-2004, 03:36 AM
will greg break into the top 50?? this would be great for canadian tennis.
:haha: he isn't even playing this wee, he doesn't play for Canada, and we'll always suck at tennis. Canadian tennis is non-existent

Chloe le Bopper
03-20-2004, 02:02 PM
:haha: he isn't even playing this wee, he doesn't play for Canada, and we'll always suck at tennis. Canadian tennis is non-existent
Aw, that's not very nice. Larose is a GOD.

I actually don't like Larose. But Dancevic isn't that bad, and he's still 19. If he came from a country with more money for tennis, he'd likely be a lot better than he is right now. But he does have talent

Domino
03-20-2004, 02:10 PM
Dancevic actually is a very gifted player, and with time could prove to be a great player, one whom Canada can use as someone to jumpstart their program.

Chloe le Bopper
03-20-2004, 02:11 PM
Where have you gotten to see him play, Domino?

I've seen him twice in Canada, but that's it. I haven't gone to any challengers or what have you, although I"m thinking of doing so this summer.

Domino
03-20-2004, 02:14 PM
I saw the Davis Cup Tie vs Netherlands, and I was very impressed by his ability, if not his lack of mental toughness that comes from matchplay. He could have won both his matches had he kept it together, and I will be surprised if he is not in the top 30 by the time he is 22.

Chloe le Bopper
03-20-2004, 02:20 PM
I saw the Davis Cup Tie vs Netherlands, and I was very impressed by his ability, if not his lack of mental toughness that comes from matchplay. He could have won both his matches had he kept it together, and I will be surprised if he is not in the top 30 by the time he is 22.
Oh right, Davis Cup. I saw him beat Saretta in the fifth rubber of the tie that put them into the World Group. I heart Davis Cup.

Thanks for the analysis. I just hope he can break the top 50 someday. As I said, it's a pity, in a way, that he's from Canada...

armaniman
03-20-2004, 02:22 PM
does nestor still play? i know he was good canadian doubles player.....

Domino
03-20-2004, 02:25 PM
Doubles's players don't really spark interest in tennis for a country. You need a strong contender who is always there. I was in Montreal when Larose did his run, and the news was all over it. Really, there are a lot of fans there who are just waiting for a champion, and I believe Dancevic is the key. He was number 1 in the junior doubles at one stage, but he has great potential in singles.

nitsansh
03-20-2004, 04:19 PM
Updated after all quarter finals.

Henman will overtake Nalbandian if he beat Labadze in the semi.
If Labadze win, he'll enter the top-50 at #48.

Tennis Fool
03-20-2004, 05:34 PM
Fed is nearly 1000 pts off no. 2 Ferrero. When was the last time that's happened on the ATP side?

Chloe le Bopper
03-20-2004, 05:46 PM
Fed is nearly 1000 pts off no. 2 Ferrero. When was the last time that's happened on the ATP side?

Hewitt did it. More than once, if memory serves.

nitsansh
03-22-2004, 12:52 AM
updated after finals

Deboogle!.
03-22-2004, 12:57 AM
thank you as always!!! Mardy at #17! YAY that's his highest rank ever if I'm remembering correctly. and James back in the top 40! Awesome!!!

:aparty:

LCeh
03-22-2004, 01:17 AM
Wow, some major changes in the ranking. Hewitt dropped back to 18th, Henman to 8th, and Federer now leads by 1200 points.

naiwen
03-22-2004, 08:11 AM
Hewitt did it. More than once, if memory serves.

Does anyone know the highest pts ever?
Is that Sampras who won ten titles in 1994?

jtipson
03-22-2004, 09:22 AM
2002 Indian Wells: Lleyton Hewitt wins his first TMS, 14th ATP title, increases his lead to 1210 points over Gustavo Kuerten (4520 to 3310).

2004 Indian Wells: Roger Federer wins his second TMS, 14th ATP title, increases his lead to 1210 points over Juan Carlos Ferrero (5635 to 4425).


With regard to record number of points, Pete Sampras did have around the same number in 1994 (can't find exact numbers for March) but the rankings were calculated differently then.

I still think nobody can really top Agassi after the 2000 AO, when he'd won 3 of the 4 previous GS and was runner-up in the other one. He had fewer points then than Federer does now, but bear in mind that at the end of 1999 the ATP converted rankings to the new "Entry" system by devaluing them by 20%. I think he probably would have had 6000+ if they'd recalculated properly.

Federer can reach 6000 points if he wins Miami. If he also does well during the clay season he stands a chance of getting 7000, though I wouldn't bet on that ;) The number of points he'd get if he won the Grand Slam does not even bear thinking about!

J. Corwin
03-22-2004, 11:11 AM
Yes, yes Fed can be over 10,000 points if he wins everything in sight, but that won't happen now will it. ;)

jtipson
03-22-2004, 12:41 PM
Yeah, I very much doubt it. But he's got a good shot at 6000, that's for sure.

Corey Feldman
03-22-2004, 01:33 PM
bummer of a final for federer to eat henman alive like that :p

but its typical henman should lose to a guy who's no1, a slam holder, tennis masters cup holder and barely lost any matches in the last 6 months, federer yesterday...........and Hewitt in 2002, pretty much showing the same dominance, wonder if fed ex can sustain it a bit better than Hewitt did

Deboogle!.
03-23-2004, 04:07 PM
awwwwwwwwww it's a sticky!! YAY!!

:woohoo:

Fumus
03-23-2004, 04:39 PM
Paradorn in the top 10 man he rules!!

Blaze
03-23-2004, 05:02 PM
There is a shift in Federer's point when they were pinning this thread. Need to shift the line a bit. His previous points is the one under current points.

J. Corwin
03-23-2004, 10:11 PM
Finally a sticky now.

naiwen
03-25-2004, 06:50 PM
Finally a sticky now.

I don't like the way of scrolling.

Denise
03-26-2004, 05:34 AM
Does Marat still number 32?? okay baby, You'll play ur best on this next tournies, you'll recuperate, and get a better rankin' :)

JeLuliA88
03-26-2004, 09:11 AM
thANKS

fco253
03-26-2004, 06:09 PM
Amazing job as always Nit!

A little observation? doesn't qualifiers get 15 points? it looks you value them at 5 points at the moment.

nitsansh
03-27-2004, 12:41 AM
Qualifyers get 5 pts at MS with 96 players MD.

fco253
03-27-2004, 01:26 AM
As always, you are right Nit.

It seems a little unfair though.

Daniel
03-27-2004, 01:31 PM
THanks\Vamos roger :D

Daniel
03-28-2004, 07:30 AM
:bounce:

syd17
03-29-2004, 03:30 AM
what will nada'ls ranking be now that he beat roger?

thanks :)

jtipson
03-29-2004, 10:22 AM
I haven't done the numbers, but according to Bob Larson, Nadal still needs to beat Gonzalez to get into the top 30. The fact that he beat Federer must give him a massive confidence boost, but unfotunately it doesn't help his ranking any more than if he'd beat number 100. He also had quite a lot of points to defend (85) from the two challengers he played this time last year.

With the clay season coming up though, I fully expect to see Nadal in the top 20 by the end of Roland Garros (or maybe even before).

Deboogle!.
03-31-2004, 12:20 AM
Can't wait to see the next update ;) :woohoo:

nitsansh
03-31-2004, 04:44 AM
Updated after 4th round

Andy Roddick up to #2, Ferrero down to #3.
Gonzalea and Calleri enter top-20 at #18 and 19 respectively.
Spadea at #28.
Kiefer at #34.
Pavel at #42.

Deboogle!.
03-31-2004, 05:00 AM
:woohoo:

Scotso
03-31-2004, 05:02 AM
Don't celebrate too much, seeing how Roddick got there due to Ferrero's sickness.

jtipson
03-31-2004, 09:43 AM
That's very true Dr Scotso, but unfortunately Ferrero will have a difficult job catching Roddick until the summer now.

Kiara
03-31-2004, 04:29 PM
I haven't done the numbers, but according to Bob Larson, Nadal still needs to beat Gonzalez to get into the top 30. The fact that he beat Federer must give him a massive confidence boost, but unfotunately it doesn't help his ranking any more than if he'd beat number 100. He also had quite a lot of points to defend (85) from the two challengers he played this time last year.

With the clay season coming up though, I fully expect to see Nadal in the top 20 by the end of Roland Garros (or maybe even before).

I think this week his Barletta points will be coming off?

Deboogle!.
03-31-2004, 04:36 PM
Don't celebrate too much, seeing how Roddick got there due to Ferrero's sickness.

So? It's not Andy's fault JC didn't get vaccinated. It's not nice to rain on other people's parades, you know :p

jtipson
03-31-2004, 04:55 PM
I think this week his Barletta points will be coming off?

Yes, a win in Barletta and a final from Cagliari both come off on Monday.

Kiara
03-31-2004, 04:59 PM
omg yeah, Cagliari finals, i forgot about that!! Boo :ras: oh well he can make it up easily :D Its good that he has nothing to defend at Roland Garros .

Billabong
03-31-2004, 05:34 PM
Guga out of top-20 :sad:! Let's hope he'll use the clay season to get back there:)!

heya
04-01-2004, 02:00 AM
The heavens opened up and gave Ferrero a cakewalk draw at the Australian Open. :bowdown:
Although he suffered his losing streak between Nov.-Jan, the #2 ranking came easily for him.
Don't fret now because clay tourneys :kiss: are coming soon.

jrm
04-01-2004, 02:51 PM
Gonzalez at #16 - SF win could move him up to 11, a win at 10!

nitsansh
04-01-2004, 05:15 PM
According to my calculation, Gonzo will be at #13 if he gets to final.

Moya should get to final to overtake Schuettler at #6.
Calleri will move to #17 if he gets to SF, #13-14 if he gets to Final, #10 if he wins.
Spadea will go to #23 if he gets to SF, #18 if he gets to Final, #15-16 if he wins.

All places between 29-90 are final for this week. Further down ranking could be affected by challengers results.

heya
04-02-2004, 02:04 AM
Psychic :o

nitsansh
04-03-2004, 01:29 AM
updated after Miami SF

Deboogle!.
04-03-2004, 01:32 AM
thanks as always nitsansh!!

nitsansh
04-03-2004, 02:01 AM
A look ahead to next week...

It's Davis Cup weekend, so there are no ATP tournaments, and only 2 challengers... but points from Casablanca and Estoril 2003 will come off on April 12 so there could be changes in the ranking... it's crucial time for players on the brink of the top-100 as the ranking of April 12 will determine the entry list for French Open... there are 104 places in direct entry, but I assume some will be taken by protected ranking (Canas doesn't need it, as he is safe in the top-100, but Haas will surely get one, and possibly Ivanisevic, Thomas Johansson and Ulihrach if they are still eligible)... on the other hand, you can write off Kafelnikov who seem to have retired for good, and presumably there would be a few injuries (PH Mathieu has not played since the new year, El Aynaoui was out since AO, but in 7 weeks time they might be back)...

nitsansh
04-04-2004, 12:34 AM
Ranking updated after Saturday matches.

There will be no changes in the top-100 after Sunday finals, so let's take a look further down...
Yen-Hsun Lu is aiming to win back-to-back challengers and move up to #103.
Behrend can do the same if he wins tommorrow's final at Barletta, but he would move back next week because he would lose 50 pts (unless he wins another challenger next week).

As I mentioned, next week points from Estoril and Casablanca will come off the ranking. The biggest losers will be the winners of those tournaments. Estoril champion Davydenko will drop from #52 to around 70. Casablanca winner Boutter (ranked 124) will lose more than half his points and drop about 100 places. He has not played anywhere since US Open - is he retired or badly injured?
Calleri, who was runner up at Estoril, will enjoy just one week in the top-20, and drop to #21.
El Aynaoui, the losing finalist at his "home" tournament at Casablanca, will probably drop to #38. Fellow Morrocan Arazi will also drop tio #47.

~EMiLiTA~
04-04-2004, 11:21 AM
nitsansh, you are amazing!!! thanks for all your info...so efficient!!!

nitsansh
04-05-2004, 03:17 AM
Projected ATP Singles Entry Rankings (As of April 12, 2004)
Updated on Friday 9/4
# Playing on Sunday 11/4
& Playing on Saturday 10/4
color codes: Through to SF Through to QF

Rnk PRk Player Nat Pts PPt Add 18th 19th Off Max Trn(S) Rnd/Res/Opp
99 99 Gilles Elseneer BEL 395 395 1 1 CAL 2 Withdrew
100 100 Fernando Vicente ESP 394 394 5 5
101 102 Alex Corretja ESP 386 386 5 5
102 103 Wayne Arthurs AUS 382 382 5 5
103 104 Greg Rusedski GBR 382 382 0 0
104 106 Kenneth Carlsen DEN 380 380 15 8
105 101 Harel Levy ISR 378 393 7 5 20
106 105 Christophe Rochus BEL 377 382 8 5 10
107 107 Nicolas Mahut FRA 377 377 4 1
108 108 Michael Llodra FRA 375 375 1 0
109 115 Alex Bogomolov USA 374 362 24 8 1 12 402 CAL 3+Q SF v Weiner&
110 109 Albert Montanes ESP 374 374 5 5
111 110 Yen-Hsun Lu TPE 374 374 5 5
112 112 Hyung-Taik Lee KOR 370 370 5 5
113 113 Marc Rosset SUI 366 366 1 1
114 114 Wesley Moodie RSA 365 365 5 3
115 116 M Vassallo-Arguello ITA 362 362 5 5
116 118 Dick Norman BEL 357 357 1 5 1 SLP 1 R1 L M Stepanek
117 117 Paul Goldstein USA 353 360 5 5 5 12 CAL 4 R2 L Mamiit
118 119 Jeff Salzenstein USA 352 342 22 5 5 12 380 CAL 5 SF v Karlovic&
119 120 Todd Reid AUS 340 339 1 0 0 CAL 6 R1 L Larose
122 111 Tomas Behrend GER 328 373 5 5 50
* Aproximate ranking

Abreviations:
Rnk = Ranking today
PRk = Previous ranking (5/4)
Nat = Nationality
Pts = Points
PPt = Previous points (5/4)
Add = Points added this week
18th = Worst result among the non-mandatory events
19th = Best result not included in the ranking
Off = Points coming off this week
Nxt = Points if wins next match
Max = Maximum points he can get after this week
Trn(S) = Tournament and seeding (CAL=Calabasas, SLP=San Luis Potosi)
Rnd = Round (R1, R2, R3, R4, QF, SF, F)
Res = Result (L = lost, W = won, v = versus)
Opp = Last/Next opponent

nitsansh
04-05-2004, 03:27 AM
The ranking above shows the players struggling to make the cut for direct acceptance to French Open, which will be determined by the ranking of April 12.
The original cut will be around 100, but players ranked close to 100 may get in if places become vacant due to withdrawals.
5 of the players in 100-120 range play next week at a 50K challenger at Calabasas, Cal. The latter 4, who are ranked between 150-200, should win the tournament or at least reach the final to make the cut. Alex Bogomolov even played in qualifying (because he entered after the deadline for main draw) in order to get into the tournament and make a last-minute attempt for a secure place at the next grand slam. I doubt he would do that if there was no such prize at stake this week...

star
04-05-2004, 05:50 AM
:kiss: Thanks again Nitsanch

nitsansh
04-07-2004, 02:25 AM
Dick Norman also played in a challenger this week, but he lost his chance to get direct entry as he lost in 1st round at San Luis Potosi.

alfonsojose
04-07-2004, 08:42 PM
Massu can reach top ten during clay season. Good luck. Sjengster will be excited :lol:

nitsansh
04-08-2004, 03:09 PM
Alex Bogomolov scored his 5th win at Calabasas and reached the QF. He needs 2 more wins to book his place at RG, and he is the highest ranked player in the bottom half following the withdrawal of Elseneer.
Goldstein and Salzenstein are in the opposite half, and could meet each other in the QF if they win their 2nd round matches later today. Whoever emerges from this quarter, could meet top seed Ivo Karlovic in the semi.

Denise
04-09-2004, 10:28 PM
Damm u lost some positions! Vamos lá Maratski... good luck ;)

Ps. Afonso... I don't think Massu will reach top 10, even in the clay season. We've other players very poweful in clay, like Gonzalez, Coria (will be he injuried?? still??) Marat, Moya, JC, Guga, other young players, gosh, it'll gonna be a tough season. At least i'm happy Roddick and Roggi Federer will be unfocused this time, I mean, this year. :devil: In fact, they're not play so well like the others, I guess Roggi can get more chances but Roddick, bu.. Wonderful season for sure! Can't wait RG'2004 :angel:.

nitsansh
04-10-2004, 05:51 PM
Bogomolov and Salzenstein remain in contention for DA to Rolland Garros.
Bogomolov will jump to #101 and make the cut if he beat Glenn Weiner and reach the final.
Salzenstein has to win the tourney to make the cut.

Deboogle!.
04-12-2004, 05:00 PM
I feel like an idiot for asking... but nitsansh, how did a lot of players GAIN points (Sometimes more than 100!!) before they've even played?

And also, the numbers here differ from the numbers at tennis corner
http://www.tenniscorner.net/rankings/atpranktop25.php

how come? I know this is a confusing week, since even Bob Larson wouldn't write about it lol, but I'm just trying to understand how it works :/

nitsansh
04-12-2004, 05:30 PM
Points from Monte Carlo 2003 are coming off this week.
19th best score should come in instead (or this week score in case it's better).
Next week 18th best score will come off and Monte Carlo 2004 come in.

Deboogle!.
04-12-2004, 05:32 PM
aahhhaaaaa

so confusing lol

thanks!

J. Corwin
04-12-2004, 08:22 PM
poor JC, his non-participating of IW/Miami has done his rankings no good. Much more pressure on his clay season now.

*Marat BigFan*
04-17-2004, 06:11 AM
what will be Marat rank if he reach the final or win the title?

jtipson
04-17-2004, 12:20 PM
If Marat wins Estoril: 23; if he's runner-up: 24; if he loses today: 26.

But he's got to defend 210 points from Barcelona next week, so unless he gets to the semis in Monte Carlo, he's going to drop again. After that though, he's got hardly anything to defend for the rest of the year.

Rex
04-17-2004, 06:26 PM
All is good then

Tennis Fool
04-18-2004, 02:46 AM
Hey, anyone want to venture Haas' ranking going into the finals???

Billabong
04-18-2004, 02:50 AM
Hey, anyone want to venture Haas' ranking going into the finals???

He'll certainly go up a loooot of ranks:D!!!

Lee
04-18-2004, 04:43 AM
Haas currently has 90 points. If he wins, he will have 265 points which will get him to about 145 in ranking and if he lose, 210 points will place him in about 180. But still better than 349 he has now.

Rex
04-23-2004, 09:03 AM
thanks for the ranking changes posts

alfonsojose
04-23-2004, 08:50 PM
Rainer will be no. 5 in the world next week :worship:

Domino
04-25-2004, 06:22 AM
I will go out on limb and say that if Agassi plans on only playing Roland Garros, then his ranking could fall all the way down to 9 by Wimbledon.

claudine140
04-25-2004, 09:09 AM
Projected ATP Singles Entry Rankings (As of April 26, 2004)
Updated on Saturday 24/4
# Playing on Saturday 24/4
& Playing on Sunday 25/4
color codes: Through to Final Through to SF Through to QF

Rnk PRk Player Nat Pts PPt Add 18th 19th Off Trn(S) Rnd/Res/Opp
1 1 Roger Federer SUI 5545 5605 0 60 25 MON Withdrew
2 2 Andy Roddick USA 4795 4915 0 120 110 120 MON 1 Withdrew
3 3 Juan Carlos Ferrero ESP 3835 3965 5 40 40 135 MON 2 R1 L
4 4 Guillermo Coria ARG 3565 3230 350 15 15 MON 3 F v Schuettler
5 6 Rainer Schuettler GER 2560 2270 350 60 40 MON 4 F v Coria
6 5 Andre Agassi USA 2395 2570 0 0 0 175 MON Withdrew
7 7 Tim Henman GBR 2140 2075 125 60 15 MON 6 QF L Schuettler
8 9 David Nalbandian ARG 2010 1890 125 0 0 5 MON 7 QF L Coria
9 8 Carlos Moya ESP 1945 2020 225 120 120 300 MON 5 SF L Schuettler
10 10 Sebastien Grosjean FRA 1665 1645 35 15 5 MON 8 R2 L
11 11 Nicolas Massu CHI 1556 1521 75 40 40 MON 9 R3 L
12 13 Mark Philippoussis AUS 1485 1490 0 5 5 MON Withdrew
13 12 Paradorn Srichaphan THA 1475 1520 5 50 40 MON 10 R1 L
14 14 Sjeng Schalken NED 1385 1455 5 75 40 MON 11 R1 L
15 16 Jiri Novak CZE 1375 1395 5 25 25 MON 12 R1 L
16 15 Fernando Gonzalez CHI 1370 1405 5 40 15 MON 13 R1 L
17 17 Martin Verkerk NED 1365 1340 35 10 5 MON 14 R2 L
18 19 Lleyton Hewitt AUS 1340 1265 75 0 0 MON 16 R3 L
19 18 Mardy Fish USA 1275 1315 0 40 20 40 MON 15 Withdrew
20 23 Juan Ignacio Chela ARG 1175 1140 75 40 40 MON R3 L
21 21 Agustin Calleri ARG 1145 1205 75 25 15 135 MON R3 L
22 24 Feliciano Lopez ESP 1145 1130 35 20 15 MON R2 L
23 20 Gustavo Kuerten BRA 1145 1215 5 75 40 75 MON R1 L
24 25 Marat Safin RUS 1120 1105 225 5 5 210 MON SF L Coria
25 27 Jonas Bjorkman SWE 1113 1083 35 5 5 MON R2 L
26 22 Tommy Robredo ESP 1095 1165 5 40 40 75 MON R1 L
27 26 Arnaud Clement FRA 1065 1100 5 40 25 MON R1 L
28 29 Max Mirnyi BLR 1045 1035 35 25 25 MON R2 L
29 33 Andrei Pavel ROM 1029 959 75 5 5 MON R3 L
30 28 Dominik Hrbaty SVK 1022 1042 5 20 19 25 MON R1 L
31 32 Nicolas Kiefer GER 1008 978 35 5 5 MON R2 L
32 34 Taylor Dent USA 985 955 35 5 5 MON R2 L
33 30 Jarkko Nieminen FIN 965 990 35 60 40 MON R2 L
34 31 Vince Spadea USA 950 985 5 40 40 MON R1 L
35 41 Ivan Ljubicic CRO 950 895 75 20 15 MON R3 L
36 40 Felix Mantilla ESP 918 898 35 5 5 15 MON R2 L
37 37 Rafael Nadal ESP 913 928 0 15 9 15 MON Withdrew
38 36 Younes El Aynaoui MAR 910 935 0 15 5 25 MON Withdrew
39 35 Gaston Gaudio ARG 900 940 35 25 25 75 MON R2 L
40 38 Albert Costa ESP 885 905 5 15 5 25 MON R1 L
41 42 Mariano Zabaleta ARG 880 890 5 15 15 MON R1 L
42 43 Robby Ginepri USA 865 880 0 15 5 MON Withdrew
43 39 James Blake USA 860 900 0 25 15 40 MON Withdrew
44 45 Hicham Arazi MAR 828 828 5 5 5 MON R1 L
45 46 Mikhail Youzhny RUS 825 825 40 40
46 44 Sargis Sargsian ARM 825 835 5 15 15 MON R1 L
47 47 Robin Soderling SWE 781 782 5 6 5 MON R1 L
48 48 Joachim Johansson SWE 739 739 5 5
49 49 Irakli Labadze GEO 718 728 8 5 15
50 50 Wayne Ferreira RSA 715 720 0 5 5 MON Withdrew
51 52 Flavio Saretta BRA 681 691 5 5 5 15 MON R1 L
52 51 Filippo Volandri ITA 679 704 5 15 15 30 MON R1 L
53 53 Fernando Verdasco ESP 672 672 14 10
54 54 Radek Stepanek CZE 660 660 5 5 5 MON R1 L
55 67 Alberto Martin ESP 657 547 125 15 15 MON QF L Safin
56 56 David Sanchez ESP 651 641 35 15 15 25 MON R2 L
57 59 Luis Horna PER 641 620 36 9 8 15 BER 1 QF v
58 58 Xavier Malisse BEL 615 625 5 5 5 15 MON R1 L
59 55 Gregory Carraz FRA 596 641 5 15 15 50 MON R1 L
60 69 Nikolay Davydenko RUS 590 540 125 20 15 75 MON QF L Moya
61 63 Thomas Enqvist SWE 589 574 20 5 5 MON Q1 R1 L
62 60 Yevgeny Kafelnikov RUS 585 585 5 5
63 62 Victor Hanescu ROM 580 580 1 8 8 MON Q2 Q1 L
64 64 David Ferrer ESP 574 574 15 15
65 61 Todd Martin USA 569 584 0 0 15
66 76 Fabrice Santoro FRA 569 513 75 19 15 MON WC R3 L
67 57 Jurgen Melzer AUT 562 632 5 5 75
68 65 Nicolas Lapentti ECU 561 558 8 5 5 BER 2 R2 L
69 66 Ivo Karlovic CRO 548 548 6 5
70 70 Anthony Dupuis FRA 540 540 1 5 5 MON Q3 Q1 L
71 71 Dmitry Tursunov RUS 538 538 5 5
72 68 Olivier Rochus BEL 534 544 5 15 15 MON R1 L
73 72 Karol Kucera SVK 533 533 5 5
74 73 Mario Ancic CRO 531 531 6 5
75 74 Rub Ramirez-Hidalgo ESP 522 522 10 9
76 84 Nicolas Escude FRA 514 479 35 0 0 MON WC R2 L
77 75 Jose Acasuso ARG 509 519 8 15 15 25 BER 3 R2 L
78 77 Raemon Sluiter NED 505 505 15 12
79 81 Tomas Berdych CZE 504 485 20 1 1 MON Q5 R1 L
80 78 Karol Beck SVK 502 502 7 5
81 80 Igor Andreev RUS 500 488 20 8 8 MON Q6 R1 L
82 79 Albert Montanes ESP 489 489 1 5 5 BAR 2 R1 L
83 82 Guillermo Canas ARG 484 484 5 5 5 MON R1 L
84 85 Alexander Popp GER 475 475 5 5
85 86 Jan-Michael Gambill USA 475 475 1 5 5 MON Q8 Q1 L
86 83 Den van Scheppingen NED 474 481 10 5 12
87 87 Cyril Saulnier FRA 466 475 1 10 7 10 MON Q7 Q1 L
88 106 Wayne Arthurs AUS 460 382 83 5 5 MON LL R3 L
89 89 Stefan Koubek AUT 459 459 5 5
90 90 Oscar Hernandez ESP 457 457 1 5 5 MON Q9 Q1 L
91 88 Paul-Henri Mathieu FRA 456 466 5 5 15
92 91 Lars Burgsmuller GER 454 454 1 15 8 MON Q10 Q1 L
93 96 Thierry Ascione FRA 427 412 20 5 1 MON Q15 R1 L
94 94 John van Lottum NED 420 420 1 8 5 MON Q12 Q1 L
95 92 Galo Blanco ESP 419 429 1 5 5 15 MON Q11 Q1 L
96 95 Florian Mayer GER 416 416 1 1 NAP 2 Withdrew
97 97 Christophe Rochus BEL 412 412 8 5
98 98 Jan Vacek CZE 406 409 5 10 9 12 NAP 1 R2 L
99 100 Alex Corretja ESP 406 396 35 5 5 25 MON WC R2 L
100 102 Wesley Moodie RSA 395 395 1 5 5 MEX 4 R1 L
101 99 Gilles Elseneer BEL 395 399 31 1 1 35 MEX 1 SF v
102 105 Jeff Salzenstein USA 393 393 1 5 5 BER 7 R1 L
103 103 Kenneth Carlsen DEN 388 395 8 15 8 15 BER 4 R2 L
104 110 Yen-Hsun Lu TPE 387 374 31 5 5 18 MEX 3 SF v
105 108 Nicolas Mahut FRA 386 377 13 4 1 MON LL R1 L
106 114 M Vassallo-Arguello ITA 386 362 36 5 5 12 BER 6 SF v
107 107 Greg Rusedski GBR 383 382 1 0 0 BER 5 R1 L
108 109 Michael Llodra FRA 382 374 8 0 0 MON Q Q2 L
109 93 Richard Gasquet FRA 375 424 1 5 1 50 MON Q13 Q1 L
110 113 Julien Benneteau FRA 369 365 5 1 1 MON WC R1 L
111 111 Marc Lopez ESP 368 368 5 5 4 5 BAR 3 R2 L
112 112 Marc Rosset SUI 362 366 1 1 1 5 MON Q Q1 L
113 117 Olivier Patience FRA 361 354 8 1 1 MON Q Q2 L
114 115 Albert Portas ESP 359 361 13 5 5 15 MON LL R1 L
115 118 Davide Sanguinetti ITA 358 349 19 10 8 BER 8 QF L
116 104 Alex Bogomolov USA 352 394 1 10 8 50 MEX 2 R1 L
117 116 Paul Goldstein USA 345 360 5 5 20
118 119 Harel Levy ISR 344 344 5 5
119 120 Todd Reid AUS 340 340 0 0
120 121 Hyung-Taik Lee KOR 340 340 5 5
121 122 Tomas Behrend GER 338 338 1 5 5 NAP 3 R1 L
122 123 Fernando Vicente ESP 334 334 1 5 5 MON Q16 Q1 L
123 134 Jean-Rene Lisnard FRA 329 284 50 5 1 MON Q R2 L
124 101 Olivier Mutis FRA 326 396 5 5 5 75 BAR 1 R2 L
129* 145 Tommy Haas GER 300 265 35 0 0 MON R2 L
182* 231 Nicolas Devilder FRA 203 154 50 1 1 MON Q R2 L
* Aproximate ranking

Abreviations:
Rnk = Ranking today
PRk = Previous ranking (19/4)
Nat = Nationality
Pts = Points
PPt = Previous points (19/4)
Add = Points added this week
18th = Worst result among the non-mandatory events
19th = Best result not included in the ranking
Off = Points coming off this week
Nxt = Points if wins next match
Max = Maximum points he can get after this week
Trn(S) = Tournament and seeding (MON=Monte Carlo, MEX=Mexico City, BER=Bermuda, BAR=Barcelona, NAP=Napoli)
Rnd = Round (R1, R2, R3, R4, QF, SF, F)
Res = Result (L = lost, W = won, v = versus)
Opp = Last/Next opponent


can you give me an explanation why carlos moya is loosing some points after his semi??? last year he had the same result, so why loosing points???

jtipson
04-25-2004, 01:08 PM
can you give me an explanation why carlos moya is loosing some points after his semi??? last year he had the same result, so why loosing points???

Hi Claudine, it's because Monte Carlo and Barcelona are held a week later this year than last year. All points (except TMC) count towards a player's ranking for exactly 52 weeks, and then fall off. So last week, Carlos already lost his 225 points for the MC semi final. This week, he loses his 300 points for Barcelona 2003, but puts on his 225 points for this year's semi-final in Monaco. So, this means that he actually loses 75 points this week.

Domino
04-25-2004, 02:18 PM
For that same reason, since Delray Beach is held much later in the year, Mardy Fish has already lost his final points.

oxy
04-25-2004, 04:05 PM
so with coria's win...he is no.3 on monday??