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Nadal squeeks past Moodie 6-4 7-6 7-6

stebs
09-03-2006, 10:15 PM
Not at all good performance by Nadal. Should have been so much easier than it was. Very long match for a straight sets win.

nobama
09-03-2006, 10:19 PM
Isn't that typical Nadal? How many quick matches does he play?

stebs
09-03-2006, 10:19 PM
2 hrs 49 mins for this match is a joke. Nadal took so long on some points. Ridiculous at times.

shotgun
09-03-2006, 10:19 PM
Moodie's net play was very poor in the first two sets today, especially for the standards of a S&Ver.

lucashg
09-03-2006, 10:19 PM
Gosh, those stats must be really deceiving because I cannot see how 46 winners and only 16 unforced errors is a bad performance, plus Moodie plays the right game to bother Nadal. He took too long, as usual but still won in straight sets. :o

MariaV
09-03-2006, 10:21 PM
Well, comapred to an Agassi match it was really fast! :p
Well, it wasn't bad at all as much as I saw of it. Only 4 UEs in the 1st set is already something! And having lost only 4 points on serve till the midway of the 2nd set. :D :p Not the best Rafa but he still got through in straights! :p The aim is to peak next week anyway. :D

rue
09-03-2006, 10:22 PM
Gosh, those stats must be really deceiving because I cannot see how 46 winners and only 16 unforced errors is a bad performance, plus Moodie plays the right game to bother Nadal. He took too long, as usual but still won in straight sets. :o

Thats true, Looking at the stats you would not think that he played badly. We all know that Nadal takes his time and there is not much he will do to change it.

Johnny Groove
09-03-2006, 10:23 PM
And in a surprising twist of events, the first few posts in a Nadal win thread are negatives by Fedtards about how long he took, why his opponent choked and how he should have lost. :rolleyes:

Regenbogen
09-03-2006, 10:24 PM
With the kind of game Moodie has, this isn't any worse than I expected. I figured Nadal might have a few problems, so I think he did all right :shrug:

nobama
09-03-2006, 10:26 PM
And in a surprising twist of events, the first few posts in a Nadal win thread are negatives by Fedtards about how long he took, why his opponent choked and how he should have lost. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: My post wasn't negative. It's a fact. His matches do take forever whether he wins in straights or not. So I'm not surprised this one took forever too. As far as how he played I didn't watch so I wouldn't know.

Naranoc
09-03-2006, 10:26 PM
With the kind of game Moodie has, this isn't any worse than I expected. I figured Nadal might have a few problems, so I think he did all right

Agreed. Kendrick was a S&V'er and he took Nadal to 5 sets, so this is ok I suppose. He's beat his best performance anyway, and shouldn't have too many problems until the quarters.

Johnny Groove
09-03-2006, 10:28 PM
:rolleyes: My post wasn't negative. It's a fact. His matches do take forever whether he wins in straights or not. So I'm not surprised this one took forever too. As far as how he played I didn't watch so I wouldn't know.

when you said it, it came off as another nadal-bashing snark :p

Byrd
09-03-2006, 10:29 PM
I watched the match, and thought moodie played particularly poor at the net for a so called 'serve & volleyer'. He also had plenty of chances (2 set points), but wasn't able to convert, going for stupid winners.

nobama
09-03-2006, 10:31 PM
when you said it, it came off as another nadal-bashing snark :pDon't be so touchy. :p

jenanun
09-03-2006, 10:32 PM
well, from what i have seen, nadal played quite good on his own service games,
the real problem is he cannot convert those breakpoints.... and a lot of deuce in some of moodie's service games makes a long match....

anyway :banana: :banana: :banana:


next, novak....

vamos rafa!!!!!!

Johnny Groove
09-03-2006, 10:33 PM
Don't be so touchy. :p

Just the calm before the storm. Wait until next sunday :p

tangerine_dream
09-03-2006, 10:34 PM
Nadal made some brilliant shots in this match. That slider dropper, whatever the hell they called it? Wow. Anybody who says he's nothing but a backboard isn't really watching. I think Nadal is a very creative shotmaker.

revolution
09-03-2006, 10:35 PM
I wonder what mirkaland thinks of Nadal having to play on Armstrong court?

Scotso
09-03-2006, 10:35 PM
Not at all good performance by Nadal. Should have been so much easier than it was. Very long match for a straight sets win.

The stats look pretty good to me? Did you watch the whole match?

Congrats Rafa! First 4th round at the US Open ;) Go further.

Clara Bow
09-03-2006, 10:38 PM
Nadal made some brilliant shots in this match. That slider dropper, whatever the hell they called it? Wow. Anybody who says he's nothing but a backboard isn't really watching. I think Nadal is a very creative shotmaker.

I only saw a few- including the slide dropper, but I agree that Nadal is a creative shotmaker. Much more than people give him credit for. I guess it is easy for a small number to demean him as just a "moonballer" ( I wonder if they actually watch the matches or just look through them through hataglasses) but when I watch him I see much, much more than that.

MariaV
09-03-2006, 10:43 PM
So is stebs a hata too? :scratch:
A straight sets win is hardly 'squeeks past'! :p

adee-gee
09-03-2006, 10:44 PM
mirkaland seems very quick to post when Rafa wins, bashing him in one way or another :scratch:

I couldn't care less if Rafa takes 14 hours in every match, as long as he wins :)

Hank777
09-03-2006, 10:44 PM
Not at all good performance by Nadal. Should have been so much easier than it was. Very long match for a straight sets win.

C'mon folkz lets give MOODIE some credit here, he was playing some decent S & V out there !!

RAFA played BIG when required, and got a straight set win in the end, just another day @ the office :)

mallorn
09-03-2006, 11:00 PM
Don't be so touchy. :p
You didn't even watch it and yet you commented on him taking too much time. It's beginning to look like a fixation to me. :p


Based on the games I saw Rafa didn't play bad at all, he was very focused, positive and pumped up, and yes he played some incredible shots too, including MP. The problem was after he broke Moodie in the second game of the final set he got broken straight back and then games went with serve. He kept getting to deuce/BP on Moodie's serve but couldn't convert. Moodie put up a good fight but never seriously threatened Rafa.

Merton
09-03-2006, 11:02 PM
Congrats Rafa, he made it through to the 2nd week of the US Open for the first time. I think he played a good match, the result was never in doubt, and he handled the windy conditions very well.

musefanatic
09-03-2006, 11:04 PM
Congrats Rafa, the bits I saw were good tennis from him and from Moodie. First time into the 4th round? Brilliant! :)

Merton
09-03-2006, 11:04 PM
Not at all good performance by Nadal. Should have been so much easier than it was. Very long match for a straight sets win.

The match had 235 points, it included a lot of deuces. For a comparison, the 4-set match between Novak and Malisse that included a tiebreak had 252 points. Yes, Nadal does take time between points but sometimes appearances can be deceiving.

Radek Stepanek
09-03-2006, 11:17 PM
Nadal made some brilliant shots in this match. That slider dropper, whatever the hell they called it? Wow. Anybody who says he's nothing but a backboard isn't really watching. I think Nadal is a very creative shotmaker.
Yes! He is a very good shot maker, everyone seems to overlook that. Sometimes he amazes me, with the shots he hits.

Oh, BTW, I don't think squeek is the right adjective to use in the title. Squeeks past, would be more suitable if he had just escaped a 5th set tie breaker. I had to address it, it bugged me.

stebs
09-04-2006, 09:42 AM
The stats look pretty good to me? Did you watch the whole match?

Congrats Rafa! First 4th round at the US Open ;) Go further.
Watched the first two sets and the beggining of the third.

I seem to be taking some serious flak for my comments so I guess I better explain myself. As for the winner - UE count it always will look very good in any match where a serve volleyer is invloved.

What I mean by 'squeeks past' is that it was two breakers. Moodie had two set points to take the second set as he was 15-40 on Rafa's serve at *4-5. Also Rafa broke early in the third and looked sure to run away with the match but Moodie was able to break back straight away. Rafa was unlike himself, blowing dueces and 30-30s left, right and centre. The argument will be that this was because of Moodie's big serve but as it happens at these moments Moodie didn't serve that great.

Through the whole match Rafa wasn't at all aggressive enough. He let Moodie camp at the net for the whole match.

Still a straightforward victory and some truly great shots by Rafa but also a killer instinct wasn't quite there. For sure it will be back with us soon enough though. :)

Maybe I was over-exaggurating with 'squeeks past' but for sure Rafa was a little lucky to take that second set.

Oh, and btw I am not a 'hata' of Rafa. I would say the same about any player if I had felt they played not such a great match, he didn't play dreadful or anything.

oz_boz
09-04-2006, 09:57 AM
Nadal made some brilliant shots in this match. That slider dropper, whatever the hell they called it? Wow. Anybody who says he's nothing but a backboard isn't really watching. I think Nadal is a very creative shotmaker.

:yeah: Nadal is a great shotmaker and nothing close to only a backboard. He plays a pusher game against lesser opponents to wear them down.

I was surprised that Moodie gave him this much trouble, Nadal could improve his return of 1st serve. It ought to become really good with his anticipation.

He takes too long time between points though. But that is for the umpire to decide.

Castafiore
09-04-2006, 10:00 AM
Moodie is a big hitter, a very tall guy and a S&V player.
IMHO, that always takes Rafa just a bit out of his comfort zone. He's now had 3 big hitters and good servers in a row (granted, not top players but still) which is a good experience.

He started with a lot of confidence and I don't think that he ever doubted the outcome of the match, only how tough it was going to be.

Both Moodie and Nadal really had to discover what works best. In the second set, Moodie changed his tactic a bit, played more S&V. He started going for some points more at times. Rafa seemed to be slowing down a bit as a result, get into his defensive mode and so, Rafa was taken out of his comfort zone but it required him to change a couple of things of his own.

On the plus side: I saw some great shots on the run and some amazing passing shots and his body language was very positive throughout the match.
I know that some hate him doing it but he kept pumping himself up and I love seeing that.

All in all, not at all a bad match but not the match of the day of course.
I agree about the aggression: I would love Rafa to play more aggressive during an entire match, though. Sometimes, he forgets about being aggressive after a while and becomes too careful again, too defensive, waiting for the other player to make the mistake instead of going for the points. He certainly has to do so if he faces a confident and good big hitter, a good server who has no fear of attacking him. He simply can't afford to be defensive against those guys.


Also....great crowd!

stebs
09-04-2006, 10:05 AM
:yeah: Nadal is a great shotmaker and nothing close to only a backboard. He plays a pusher game against lesser opponents to wear them down.

I was surprised that Moodie gave him this much trouble, Nadal could improve his return of 1st serve. It ought to become really good with his anticipation.

His touch is really under-rated. They may be unorthadox at times but his volleys are extremely effective. A fantastic stop volley in the first set :)

Nadal is good at getting back big first serves but the returns are easy put-aways for good volleyers. When he is playing a guy who isn't comfortable at the net the return looks a lot more effective.

Rafa's main problem today was the willingness to be on the back foot. He let Moodie dictate what the match was going to be like. Moodie was never going to be good enough to actually win the match but as I said previously he should've won the second set.

oz_boz
09-04-2006, 10:15 AM
His touch is really under-rated. They may be unorthadox at times but his volleys are extremely effective. A fantastic stop volley in the first set :)

His touch is very good, great stop balls probably coming from his clay court skills. He could use some training for his volley (not that he's doing bad with that ground game ;) ) but he has good placing andtiming.

All_Slam_Andre
09-04-2006, 10:23 AM
I'm sorry I had to laugh at the term 'squeaks past'. What a joke. Nadal has impressed me so far. Like Federer, he hasn't hit top form yet, but I'm sure he'll crank it up a notch in the second week. He is looking very comfortable on his serve (the most underrated shot in tennis). I agree with those of you who have said that Nadal is an excellent shot maker. He did play some superb stuff yesterday. He did spurn quite a few break point oppurtunities but all in all a good days work from him. Very efficient performance.

oz_boz
09-04-2006, 10:35 AM
He is looking very comfortable on his serve (the most underrated shot in tennis).

Amen to that.

stebs
09-04-2006, 12:00 PM
I'm sorry I had to laugh at the term 'squeaks past'. What a joke. Nadal has impressed me so far. Like Federer, he hasn't hit top form yet, but I'm sure he'll crank it up a notch in the second week. He is looking very comfortable on his serve (the most underrated shot in tennis). I agree with those of you who have said that Nadal is an excellent shot maker. He did play some superb stuff yesterday. He did spurn quite a few break point oppurtunities but all in all a good days work from him. Very efficient performance.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. It wasn't efficient in the way his match against Flip was. Sure, he was rarely troubled on his serve but he was damn close to losing the second set and was 2 points away from losing the third as well. Sure it wasn't a bad performance and the result was never in doubt but it wasn't assured by any manner of means.

cmurray
09-04-2006, 12:23 PM
Rafa is indeed a brilliant shot maker. People forget about it because he often gets to shots he has no business even getting his racquet on.

No question about it. The guy is a thinker out there. If he were really just a defense-only player, there is NO WAY he would continue beating the Fed-man. He constructs a point brilliantly, I think.

The scary part is that he still has to work on his return game a little. Can you imagine the danger he'll be when he gets better in THAT area?

connectolove
09-04-2006, 12:30 PM
I did not think that Nadal played that well. It takes too much effort for him to beat his oponents, and they all seem to be dangerous, no matter what their rankigs are. It is hard to watch, he wins but he always looks as if he is struggling bbig time.