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David vs. Roger

Angelito
01-26-2004, 04:19 PM
Make your bets.
My prediction: David in 4 sets.
Current record: David 5 - Roger 1
In fact the record should be 6 - 0, cause the Roger's vitory at the TMS Cup was just good luck.

mrpenguin
01-26-2004, 04:27 PM
My bet is $108 on Roger to win. The ods are 1.53-2.43 in favor
of Roger btw on william hill.

I believe David has nothing to lose, and everything to prove
but Roger has himself quite a bit of pressure to do "well".

sigmagirl91
01-26-2004, 04:38 PM
I go with David in 4 sets.

mrpenguin
01-26-2004, 04:43 PM
I guess Roger in 4 makes me a blue-eyed idealist- so be it!

jtipson
01-26-2004, 04:44 PM
I'd rather not make a choice here, but I have to totally disagree with the assertion in your original post, Angelito. David may not have played well in that match at the TMC, but saying Roger just had good luck is rather trite. He had the right game plan, stuck with it, and played great - hence turning what have mostly been long close matches into an overwhelming win.

I'm hoping he does it again on Wednesday, but if he doesn't, I'm sure he will do sometime again in the future.

Angelito
01-26-2004, 04:48 PM
My bet is $108 on Roger to win. The ods are 1.53-2.43 in favor
of Roger btw on william hill.

I believe David has nothing to lose, and everything to prove
but Roger has himself quite a bit of pressure to do "well".

I also think Roger has the pressure to do it well, of showing TMS Cup victory wasn't just a coincidence. In a way I think Roger knows David wasn't in his best form that day, so he still has the history pressure on his shoulders. On the other hand David knows how to play Roger and how to make to most of him.

Why $108 and not just $100?

sigmagirl91
01-26-2004, 04:50 PM
while you're betting, mrp, why don't you go for your whole paycheck?

mrpenguin
01-26-2004, 04:50 PM
:-) because I won $108 on Hewitt-Roger , so I'm betting all my gains

sigmagirl91
01-26-2004, 04:51 PM
oh, so, now, you can take that $108, plus your paycheck and bet on the next match.

mrpenguin
01-26-2004, 04:56 PM
sigma,

I hope you marry a wall-street guy, so that he can clue you in
on RISK-MANAGEMENT

anyway, I'm a penguin, so I don't get paychecks, just fresh fish and
trolls in the park

Angelito
01-26-2004, 05:00 PM
I'd rather not make a choice here, but I have to totally disagree with the assertion in your original post, Angelito. David may not have played well in that match at the TMC, but saying Roger just had good luck is rather trite. He had the right game plan, stuck with it, and played great - hence turning what have mostly been long close matches into an overwhelming win.

I'm hoping he does it again on Wednesday, but if he doesn't, I'm sure he will do sometime again in the future.

Of course it wasn't just good luck, It is just a way of putting it.
Anyway I don't think he had a game plan and I wouldn't said he played great cause they really didn't played that day. I can say he played awesome against Roddick in the final, that's true but against David... wasn't even a match.

mrpenguin
01-26-2004, 05:05 PM
Of course it wasn't just good luck, It is just a way of putting it.
Anyway I don't think he had a game plan and I wouldn't said he played great cause they really didn't played that day. I can say he played awesome against Roddick in the final, that's true but against David... wasn't even a match.

I don't think David even knows what a gameplan is ROFL

Angelito
01-26-2004, 05:16 PM
I don't think David even knows what a gameplan is ROFL

Very funny, will see it tomorrow. Anyway I think you should ask Roger about David's gameplans, I bet he could write a thesis about that.

sigmagirl91
01-26-2004, 05:18 PM
Very funny, will see it tomorrow. Anyway I think you should ask Roger about David's gameplans, I bet he could write a thesis about that.


He could probably write a dissertation.

jtipson
01-26-2004, 05:20 PM
Of course it wasn't just good luck, It is just a way of putting it.

Oh, ok :)


Anyway I don't think he had a game plan and I wouldn't said he played great cause they really didn't played that day. I can say he played awesome against Roddick in the final, that's true but against David... wasn't even a match.

Was hardly the best match in the world, I agree. But we will have to differ on the game plan bit.

Anyway, whoever wins this qf, I hope they go on and win the whole thing (unless the final is Andre v David, then I'll just have to root with Agassi for his 9th).

mrpenguin
01-26-2004, 05:30 PM
David's pretty intense and very athletic, I concede,
and he can play well on any surface like Roger.

So that makes him special indeed.

Sjengster
01-26-2004, 06:24 PM
Some foolishness on both sides here. Can't we agree that they both have/had good gameplans, hence their frequently close matches? Nalbandian strikes me as one of the most tactically astute players in the Top 10 along with Agassi and Coria, and Federer definitely varied his approach at the Masters Cup - I just hope he remembers that style and can use it again this time. Either Nalbandian in 4, or Federer in 5.

calimero
01-26-2004, 06:49 PM
Roger 4 sets!!!! GO ROGI!!! U can do it!

Angelito
01-26-2004, 08:08 PM
Some foolishness on both sides here. Can't we agree that they both have/had good gameplans, hence their frequently close matches? Nalbandian strikes me as one of the most tactically astute players in the Top 10 along with Agassi and Coria, and Federer definitely varied his approach at the Masters Cup - I just hope he remembers that style and can use it again this time. Either Nalbandian in 4, or Federer in 5.

I agree about the gameplans. I didn't meant that Roger did not had a plan that day I just wanted to point out that the match was so short, because of David inconsistency, that actually it is imposible to tell that Roger had a plan or not (I guess he always has one. What kind of player would be if not?).

I don't know... maybe I'm just expressing myself wrong. You know, English isn't my mother language...

What about Safin and Roddick... Who are you cheering for?

Dirk
01-26-2004, 09:02 PM
Roger's plan was to force errors from david and keep his low. IT WORKED. Stop this bad day shit. He only had one cause he lossed. Accept it already god. :rolleyes:

Angelito
01-26-2004, 09:24 PM
Roger's plan was to force errors from david and keep his low. IT WORKED. Stop this bad day shit. He only had one cause he lossed. Accept it already god. :rolleyes:

Ok, I'll accept it if that makes you feel better, but that doesn't mean it is true...

Ma. Estefania
01-26-2004, 09:40 PM
I don't know... maybe I'm just expressing myself wrong. You know, English isn't my mother language...

Don't worry. Many of us have those problems.....

rogicomel
01-27-2004, 12:11 AM
Nalby looks good so far but he'll face the more determined Rogi this time round. So, he better watch out! Our Ninja is out for another revenge!!!! Goooooooo Rogi!!!!!!

RogiFan88
01-27-2004, 01:15 AM
I don't think David even knows what a gameplan is ROFL

:haha:

David strikes me as more of a physical man than a thinking man.

WyverN
01-27-2004, 01:52 AM
Anyway I don't think he had a game plan and I wouldn't said he played great cause they really didn't played that day. I can say he played awesome against Roddick in the final, that's true but against David... wasn't even a match.


so many things wrong in that post and its only 4 lines

Shy
01-27-2004, 03:18 AM
He could probably write a dissertation.
If he can write a dissertation about it, should he know how to easily beat David?David had tthe ability to make Roger lose all his confidence.As nuch as I want Rogi to win, I'll be surprise if he did.

renatoal
01-27-2004, 08:13 AM
Federer in four sets !

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 10:31 AM
Good test for Roger, but don't underestimate Nal-badass-Indian,

Right now, he is tougher than Hewit, so don't blow that first set!

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 10:52 AM
If he can write a dissertation about it, should he know how to easily beat David?David had tthe ability to make Roger lose all his confidence.As nuch as I want Rogi to win, I'll be surprise if he did.

That's why I said it.

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 10:59 AM
Total BS. Roger is not scared one bit of Nal-badass-Indian,
they played since junior years against each other a lot

The only problem for Roger is that he tends to underestimate him,
he's a great retriever

Angelito
01-27-2004, 12:13 PM
Total BS. Roger is not scared one bit of Nal-badass-Indian,
they played since junior years against each other a lot

The only problem for Roger is that he tends to underestimate him,
he's a great retriever

Either Roger is stupid or you're totally wrong. Do you think that after losing almost everytime they've played Roger still underestimate David?

*Ljubica*
01-27-2004, 12:21 PM
Either Roger is stupid or you're totally wrong. Do you think that after losing almost everytime they've played Roger still underestimate David?

LOL Angelito! I'm pretty sure Roger's not stupid! Hope David can make it 6-1 tomorrow :)

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 12:24 PM
ok, mrp, if you can extend the courtesy of spelling nalbi's name right, I just may listen to you. Meanwhile, you sound like an ass; do us all a favor and quit while you're ahead.

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 12:27 PM
Total BS. Roger is not scared one bit of Nal-badass-Indian,
they played since junior years against each other a lot

The only problem for Roger is that he tends to underestimate him,
he's a great retriever

And Nalbandian (I wish like hell you would get his name right, mrp, damn, quit inventing new players for the atp tour) spanked that ass every single time, so your argument makes no sense. Maybe you need to get some more magic dust for your mojo wand?

Angelito
01-27-2004, 12:53 PM
LOL Angelito! I'm pretty sure Roger's not stupid! Hope David can make it 6-1 tomorrow :)

Hope that too!!

asotgod
01-27-2004, 01:31 PM
A lot of trash talking here so far. No doubt that Nalbandian has a good record against Federer, but you cannot call those close calls spanking but being able to win at crucial times. Other than the first and last match they played, their matches have been competitive with Federer losing in 3 sets most times or double tiebreaks, or in 4 or 5 like in the slams. That's not spanking. Spanking is what Agassi usually does to his opponents.

I know we cannot agree on this, but it's a match to watch and I guess many people will have to keep quiet at the end of the match. One other thing is the stupid excuse giving by some people here that Nalbandian did not play well in the TMC. That's all crap. He was shanking balls but most of them were forced. I watched the match. Neither was Federer serving well. Nalbandian loves pace and target. Once either or both of them are not giving to him, he has difficulties. So, he may have looked sharp but I am sure he would also have had a tough time against Hewitt.

It's just like imagining that Safin will lose to Roddick because Roddick has had pretty routine wins. Now people get surprised that Safin could have won in 4 (had a break point), even though he won in 5. So, every day brings up a new match. Federer did not have any cause to play hard in the exhibition in Kooyong and some think oh Agassi will beat him. Dont think that's possible. So, for any thoughtful person, forget media hype and all the head-to-head crap. No doubt the H2H usually factors, but not at this time.

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 01:49 PM
Well said, asotgod.

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 01:58 PM
My mojo's up after Hewitt's defeat, and even more so
because Roger was one set down

Ah, life's too easy these days, I wish there was some competition

Bilbo
01-27-2004, 02:38 PM
Federer in 4

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 02:43 PM
My mojo's up after Hewitt's defeat, and even more so
because Roger was one set down

Ah, life's too easy these days, I wish there was some competition


That was because Hewitt was playing really well, and he (Hewitt) let a foot fault determine the course of the match. Usually, Hewitt is mentally stronger and can bounce back from stuff like that. What happened? He's lost his mojo, correct, but if you think that Nalbandian will concede such to Roger, think again........

asotgod
01-27-2004, 02:59 PM
The foot fault in Hewitt's match did not affect the outcome. It's just the silly excuse Australia wants to give. Hewitt himself said that did not affect the game. So, what are they saying? Hewitt won the first set because he broke Federer. How did he break Federer: two net cords against Federer, a backhand down the line winner by Hewitt and another error by Federer. Federer made 11 unforced errors in 6 games. THat's almost 2 per game. That's where Hewitt was getting his points from. Coupled with that was the fact that Hewitt was serving over 70%, which is pretty unusual. So, though he kept his serving percentage up, once Federer cut down on the errors, he began to dominate. Federer needed just one break to get lose. The foot fault was wrongly judged by the linesman and umpire, but it did not change the outcome. The foot fault came at 40 -15 to bring Federer to 40-30 and Hewitt makes a set of errors. Hewitt has not lost his mojo. He was simply outplayed and for the first time humble to accept it.

I am sorry to say this but I dont like the Australian media. I think they are too proud especially the way Hewitt and the 'Scud" speak. Very pompous and the loss of Federer in the DC semis just kept them, including Todd "mini lleyton" saying that Hewitt had a psychological edge and all that crap. Every day poses a different game. Hewitt gets most of his points from opponent's errors and shouts of "come on" which definitely is distracting but he could not muster that against Federer. He was made to look more like a spectator.

Now, I dont also agree that Federer is stupid or underates Nalbandian. They played a couple of times in their juniors with Federer losing the U.S Open final to Nalbandian but beating him in the semis of the Orange Bowl Championship. As I have said before, Nalbandian uses angles deceptively to force opponents out of their comfort zones and into errors. But more importantly is the fact that he likes to play against targets. In the last two matches before the TMC, Federer kept making the same mistake of charging to the net on wrongly selected shots or serving and volleying. But he (Federer) even admitted that he changed his strategy in the TMC. He said and this is true, that Nalbandian returns are most times short and so if you serve and volley, he will just pass you. That's really true. That's why Nalbandian has a good H2H against Federer and Henman but once you are patient from the baseline and put pressure on Nalbandian by varying pace and attacking his serve, then you will be fine.

Federer is not intimidated one inch by Nalbandian. That I am sure of after reading his replies to e-mail questions on the ATP. Neither is he bothered by the H2H. So, even though Nalb is a tough competitor, I believe Federer has enough to outplay Nalbandian today. We just have to watch and see.

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 03:11 PM
So, the question remains: which Federer will show up to that match?

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 03:14 PM
Actually I believe Roger never had the toughness
of pure mojo-players like Nal-badass-Indian, Hewitt and Nadal.

and he did learn from that... it takes a lot to win

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 03:16 PM
Yeah, like.........MOJO!!!!!!!!

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 03:20 PM
correct, Mrs Sig.

Roger just needs a little mojo rush

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 03:23 PM
tee hee....

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 03:24 PM
Mojo is hard to come by sometimes. He may have to borrow some from Hewitt and Nalbi, who have it going on in spades....

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 03:36 PM
Madame Sig, I must turn your attention to the fact that David is known for wasting a lot of mojo off court ;-)

not wise, when your game relies on it

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 03:40 PM
Apparently, that off-court mojo-wasting hasn't harmed him thus far........

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 03:46 PM
At least it's off court, and not on. You don't waste mojo on court; you work it.......

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 03:51 PM
I advise the Madames to have a lot of chocolate handy during
the match, as Mojo-David's loss is going to cost you a lot of nerves

*Ljubica*
01-27-2004, 04:53 PM
I advise the Madames to have a lot of chocolate handy during
the match, as Mojo-David's loss is going to cost you a lot of nerves

Whether David wins or loses I can assure you that I will have a lot of chocolate handy as I'm addicted to the stuff!

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 05:14 PM
mrp, do YOU have a thing for David or something, because you are obsessing over his body and his ass far more than you accuse us ladies of doing.

*Ljubica*
01-27-2004, 05:25 PM
mrp, do YOU have a thing for David or something, because you are obsessing over his body and his ass far more than you accuse us ladies of doing.

You know I was thinking EXACTLY the same thoughts myself!

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 05:40 PM
Mrs. Sig,

Are you referring to the same Mojo-Dave as I am?

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 05:47 PM
My thoughts about Mojo-Dave: he's worth 2.5 to 1.5 against Roger.

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 05:50 PM
memo to mrpenguin
from the ladies who support david

first off, why are you so upset when we comment on david's body? don't men do the same thing to women-especially where it concerns anna k? oh so, now that women are doing it, it is wrong? make me understand, mrp, because you make it seem like we are being shallow and not concentrating on the tennis. yeah, that again, the "why won't you concentrate on the tennis" argument. i am sure that, when most of you men are looking at anna's body, you are doing everything but. but we women can admire a man's body, and suddenly, it becomes a federal case. are you insecure about that?
secondly, if we weren't impressed with his tennis, would he root for him? don't think so. so what's it to you if we happen to also admire his "cute ass"? please, if you want to argue with us ladies about david, you need to go over to the general message board, where women over there are talking about "who has the biggest dick" or "who would you liked to see naked and have sex with". i'm sure that the things they say in those thread will make what we say seem like a Cinderella story. then, i know that you will come back and relish our rather tame "take" on david.
so, please, before you comment one more time on this, go over to that board and talk to the ladies on those threads before you come back over here. they will probably cuss you out straightaway, and then you would actually welcome our conversations about david's body. until then, please let us enjoy our david, ok?

mrpenguin
01-27-2004, 06:04 PM
thanks to you I now realize that taking cheap shots at mojo-dave is a big no-no

Mrs.Sig, will boss that memo.

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 06:14 PM
ok, then. thought you'd see it my way....

Sjengster
01-27-2004, 07:27 PM
'Tis a bit annoying for me, since while women can most happily scrutinise male bodies on here, WTAWorld does not have the male equivalent drooling over female players - well, apart from occasional rather worrying posts by Car Key Boi. It does of course occur to me that "Who has the biggest vagina?" threads could possibly be in somewhat bad taste, though...

I've just lowered the tone, haven't I? OK, I'm off. All I can say is Federer, please try and stretch the Elastic Band just this one time!

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 07:45 PM
"Car Key Boi"? No comment......

Sjengster
01-27-2004, 08:13 PM
A WTAWorld regular. No, you probably don't want to know him.

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 08:13 PM
'Tis a bit annoying for me, since while women can most happily scrutinise male bodies on here, WTAWorld does not have the male equivalent drooling over female players - well, apart from occasional rather worrying posts by Car Key Boi. It does of course occur to me that "Who has the biggest vagina?" threads could possibly be in somewhat bad taste, though...


Like the "who has the biggest dick" and "who would you like to see naked and have sex with" are family-oriented material. The point I was trying to make is that, if he is going to blast us for admiring Dave, the least mrp can do is check out THOSE threads. Our conversations here are rather nursery rhyme in character, compared to those posts. See for yourself...I think you'll agree.

And, sjengster, I would not be surprised if any threads on WTAWorld would contain the words "ass" or "tits" in the titles.

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 08:15 PM
A WTAWorld regular. No, you probably don't want to know him.

Probably not, but if he ever found himself over here, then he would probably be appalled enough at some of the discussion threads over here to not want to come back....

Sjengster
01-27-2004, 08:41 PM
Like the "who has the biggest dick" and "who would you like to see naked and have sex with" are family-oriented material. The point I was trying to make is that, if he is going to blast us for admiring Dave, the least mrp can do is check out THOSE threads. Our conversations here are rather nursery rhyme in character, compared to those posts. See for yourself...I think you'll agree.

And, sjengster, I would not be surprised if any threads on WTAWorld would contain the words "ass" or "tits" in the titles.

Ah, but they don't, they don't. Well, apart from "Go Venus/Serena/Lindsay, kick that Russian/Belgian/Madagascan _" etc, and I believe there have been a couple of threads about cleavage size, but they are generally the exception rather than the rule. Not that this is a bad thing, of course... oh I remember, you're the one who said on GM that all those body-related polls were asinine, weren't you?

Sjengster
01-27-2004, 08:42 PM
Probably not, but if he ever found himself over here, then he would probably be appalled enough at some of the discussion threads over here to not want to come back....

Trust me, this guy is very difficult to appal. ;)

sigmagirl91
01-27-2004, 09:48 PM
Yeah, I said that because they had the same tone about them. It was getting rather trite and unoriginal after awhile.....

RogiFan88
01-28-2004, 01:16 AM
I've just lowered the tone, haven't I? OK, I'm off. All I can say is Federer, please try and stretch the Elastic Band just this one time!

The Elastic Band? that's a new one, Sjengst! how about "snap" the elastic band??

David said his new hairdo is a tribute to himself [not to Becks]! ;)

RogiFan88
01-28-2004, 01:19 AM
At least it's off court, and not on. You don't waste mojo on court; you work it.......

:p

this mojo talk is very amusing!! working it... sounds rather interesting... ;)

SaFed2005
01-28-2004, 01:25 AM
The foot fault in Hewitt's match did not affect the outcome. It's just the silly excuse Australia wants to give. Hewitt himself said that did not affect the game. So, what are they saying? Hewitt won the first set because he broke Federer. How did he break Federer: two net cords against Federer, a backhand down the line winner by Hewitt and another error by Federer. Federer made 11 unforced errors in 6 games. THat's almost 2 per game. That's where Hewitt was getting his points from. Coupled with that was the fact that Hewitt was serving over 70%, which is pretty unusual. So, though he kept his serving percentage up, once Federer cut down on the errors, he began to dominate. Federer needed just one break to get lose. The foot fault was wrongly judged by the linesman and umpire, but it did not change the outcome. The foot fault came at 40 -15 to bring Federer to 40-30 and Hewitt makes a set of errors. Hewitt has not lost his mojo. He was simply outplayed and for the first time humble to accept it.

I am sorry to say this but I dont like the Australian media. I think they are too proud especially the way Hewitt and the 'Scud" speak. Very pompous and the loss of Federer in the DC semis just kept them, including Todd "mini lleyton" saying that Hewitt had a psychological edge and all that crap. Every day poses a different game. Hewitt gets most of his points from opponent's errors and shouts of "come on" which definitely is distracting but he could not muster that against Federer. He was made to look more like a spectator.

Now, I dont also agree that Federer is stupid or underates Nalbandian. They played a couple of times in their juniors with Federer losing the U.S Open final to Nalbandian but beating him in the semis of the Orange Bowl Championship. As I have said before, Nalbandian uses angles deceptively to force opponents out of their comfort zones and into errors. But more importantly is the fact that he likes to play against targets. In the last two matches before the TMC, Federer kept making the same mistake of charging to the net on wrongly selected shots or serving and volleying. But he (Federer) even admitted that he changed his strategy in the TMC. He said and this is true, that Nalbandian returns are most times short and so if you serve and volley, he will just pass you. That's really true. That's why Nalbandian has a good H2H against Federer and Henman but once you are patient from the baseline and put pressure on Nalbandian by varying pace and attacking his serve, then you will be fine.

Federer is not intimidated one inch by Nalbandian. That I am sure of after reading his replies to e-mail questions on the ATP. Neither is he bothered by the H2H. So, even though Nalb is a tough competitor, I believe Federer has enough to outplay Nalbandian today. We just have to watch and see.



I completely agrre with what u said about Hewitt... I was surprised that he actually admitted something for once that the service call wasn't what effected his game but it was Federer who was too good... As for Nalbandian, the match will probably be great but I think Federer will come out as the winner. I wished one of them would be playing ferrero instead coz ther're both great... Since, i like federer better though i hope he wins... I was happy to see Safin beat roddick... well agassi i always liked... i dunno whether to cheer for agassi or safin... lol
I hope the winner of Fed-Nal match easily makes the final........

RogiFan88
01-28-2004, 01:33 AM
I completely agrre with what u said about Hewitt... I was surprised that he actually admitted something for once that the service call wasn't what effected his game but it was Federer who was too good... As for Nalbandian, the match will probably be great but I think Federer will come out as the winner. I wished one of them would be playing ferrero instead coz ther're both great... Since, i like federer better though i hope he wins... I was happy to see Safin beat roddick... well agassi i always liked... i dunno whether to cheer for agassi or safin... lol
I hope the winner of Fed-Nal match easily makes the final........

I think he will!