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Henman's Unseeded at Wimbly!

AsGoodAsNew
06-21-2006, 01:34 PM
When was the last time that happened?

Yet Agassi IS seeded. I still can't get my head around the ranking system. it seems it's better not to play (a la Agassi) than play and not do so wel....

stebs
06-21-2006, 01:40 PM
It is only possible to be seeded if you're in the top 32. Henman isn't and Agassi is. The vast majority of Agassi's points come from the US Open final last year.

suus21
06-21-2006, 02:00 PM
and Agassi has won Wimbledon before, Henman not.

Conita
06-21-2006, 02:02 PM
awww Tim :hug:

Donny
06-21-2006, 02:23 PM
I get your drift, Suus, but it's all by formula. One could be a five-time Wimby champ, but none of those titles would be worth a shit for this year's seedings unless it was won in the past two years.

Pea
06-21-2006, 02:56 PM
1st round versus rodduck, please.:drool:

Jim Jones
06-21-2006, 02:58 PM
Henman never won a grass court title. He has n right to be given speacial treatment and he is no longer in the top 50.

holagirl56
06-21-2006, 03:37 PM
Well, the British have never played favorites with him before. Why start now?

Fergie
06-21-2006, 03:40 PM
1st round versus rodduck, please.:drool:
Yeah :hearts:

mr_burns
06-21-2006, 03:47 PM
the system is logical and fair...only top 32 get a seeding

henman has to pray...


maybe in 1997 he wasn't seeded, I am unsure

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 03:47 PM
Andre is seeded because he still has a title (LA) and a USO Final on the computer, those two results are pretty much keeping him in the top 32. Henman is not seeded because he is not in the top 32 players who entered, that is all. The formula affects only those players who are seeded, it cannot make someone ranked in the 70s be seeded.

R.Federer
06-21-2006, 04:13 PM
Goran, 3-time finalist, was unseeded in 01
Hell, wasn't he a wildcard the year he won

BlakeorHenman
06-21-2006, 05:24 PM
yes he was. he beat Tim in a ridiculous semifinal.

juanpablo18
06-21-2006, 05:38 PM
Henman will get Davydenko in the first two rounds

He will also be in the Other half of the draw to Federer

He will also not be in Roddick's quarter.

how do you know that??
where can I see the Seed players?

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 05:46 PM
how do you know that??
where can I see the Seed players?I think he was kidding ;)

AsGoodAsNew
06-21-2006, 06:48 PM
and Agassi has won Wimbledon before, Henman not.

I don't think that Agassi's win over 10 years ago should have any affect on his current seeding - even though I'd rather see Agassi win it than many many others!

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 06:57 PM
I don't think that Agassi's win over 10 years ago should have any affect on his current seedingIt didn't, his current RANKING did. Andre is still in the top 32 in the world, so he was seeded. Tim is not, so he wasn't. Period.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-21-2006, 07:05 PM
An unseeded player can have a nice draw as well.

DrJules
06-21-2006, 07:17 PM
Wimbledon need to devise a new system for calculating seeding. The current system does not generate a seeding which represents the top 32 grass court players.

Maybe anyone with a better methodology could e-mail it to Wimbledon. I sure most posters could probably create a better one. Restricting adjustments to within the top 32 is rather stupid.

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 07:19 PM
Wimbledon need to devise a new system for calculating seeding. The current system does not generate a seeding which represents the top 32 grass court players.

Maybe anyone with a better methodology could e-mail it to Wimbledon. I sure most posters could probably create a better one. Restricting adjustments to within the top 32 is rather stupid.I think what they do now is a compromise. I can't even imagine the fury if they moved Henman from his current ranking up into the top 32. this keeps the integrity of the top 32 players getting to be seeded, which they deserve, and letting Wimbledon mess around a little with the order of those seeds.

Allez
06-21-2006, 07:26 PM
Why is it so hard to grasp that Andre is seeded because he in ranked inside the top 32 and Henman is not seeded because he is ranked outside the to 32 in the world ?

Andre is ranked No. 20 in the world and will therefore be seeded.
Henman is ranked No. 62 in the world and will therefore be unseeded.

:rolleyes:

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 07:28 PM
Why is it so hard to grasp that Andre is seeded because he in ranked inside the top 32 and Henman is not seeded because he is ranked outside the to 32 in the world ?

Andre is ranked No. 20 in the world and will therefore be seeded.
Henman is ranked No. 62 in the world and will therefore be unseeded.

:rolleyes:Apparently this is too complex for some people to understand. It should be mentioned that Andre was bumped down to the 26th seed. He was done no favors at all by the formula.

DrJules
06-21-2006, 07:36 PM
It would be very funny if he drew Rafael Nadal in the first round. :rolls: :rolls: :rolls:

If it happened they would probably do the draw again.

AsGoodAsNew
06-21-2006, 08:05 PM
Apparently this is too complex for some people to understand. It should be mentioned that Andre was bumped down to the 26th seed. He was done no favors at all by the formula.
Clever Clogs. My point is not an anti-Andre one, but more a point on a player with a great Wimbly record who COULD have been done a bit more service by the seeding Committee. And the fact that Andre has hardly played for nearly a year whereas Tim has. And the fact that the ranking system seems dodgy to me. But I bow down to your obvious superiority - well, if I stumble down a bit tipsy I will!!!

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 08:12 PM
Clever Clogs. My point is not an anti-Andre one, but more a point on a player with a great Wimbly record who COULD have been done a bit more service by the seeding Committee. And the fact that Andre has hardly played for nearly a year whereas Tim has. And the fact that the ranking system seems dodgy to me. But I bow down to your obvious superiority - well, if I stumble down a bit tipsy I will!!!No one said they were superior, we're merely explaining you're wrong, that the seeding committe COULDN'T have done anything for Tim. i'm sure they wanted to!!! you can't blame the seeding committee, it's not their fault. i'm sure if they had their way they would have completely arranged the seeding and put Tim as high up as they could have lol.

and it doesn't matter that Andre has hardly played this year because Andre has a USO final, and a title win, on the computer. tim hasn't exactly played all that much in the past year either, with his back injury and a lot of early losses. And that's why he's ranked where he is lol. I mean if you wanna debate the way the rankings are calculated, that's fine, but they can only use what they have and what they're allowed to do within the system as it currently stands.

I mean for the record, I agree that on grass ability, Tim should certainly be seeded. but that's not really the point.

Horatio Caine
06-21-2006, 08:14 PM
Why is it so hard to grasp that Andre is seeded because he in ranked inside the top 32 and Henman is not seeded because he is ranked outside the to 32 in the world ?

Andre is ranked No. 20 in the world and will therefore be seeded.
Henman is ranked No. 62 in the world and will therefore be unseeded.

:rolleyes:

Oh my word...someone with a brain here! :yeah: :worship:

cincy
06-21-2006, 09:50 PM
That USO final for Andre gave him serious points; plus the LA win. He also was in the final of Montreal where he lost to Nadal last year. Wasn't he in a couple of quarters also in '05?

At any rate, Andre is ranked 20 but has been seeded 26. Personally, I think that stinks. :mad: He'll meet a top 5 player in the third round, won't he?

Horatio Caine
06-21-2006, 10:03 PM
At any rate, Andre is ranked 20 but has been seeded 26. Personally, I think that stinks. :mad: He'll meet a top 5 player in the third round, won't he?

Why does it "stink?" He'll be lucky to win back-to-back matches regardless :shrug:

JimmyV
06-21-2006, 10:06 PM
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1418/henman3zd.gif

mr_burns
06-21-2006, 10:06 PM
That USO final for Andre gave him serious points; plus the LA win. He also was in the final of Montreal where he lost to Nadal last year. Wasn't he in a couple of quarters also in '05?

At any rate, Andre is ranked 20 but has been seeded 26. Personally, I think that stinks. :mad: He'll meet a top 5 player in the third round, won't he?


a top 8 player


Henman vs Nadal or davydenkov would be nice, really

BlakeorHenman
06-21-2006, 10:08 PM
It would be very funny if he drew Rafael Nadal in the first round. :rolls: :rolls: :rolls:

If it happened they would probably do the draw again.

I don't think they should be very afraid of Nadal in the first round. I think that'd be a pretty nice draw for him.

tennismaster882001
06-21-2006, 10:31 PM
I wish Henman gets a seed in the first round like Roddick, Ljubicic, or Davidenko! He would certanly beat them! Henman deserves much more respect then he is getting, especially from british media!

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 10:31 PM
Henman deserves much more respect then he is getting, especially from british media!From the media, ok, but how is him not seeing a lack of respect?

DrJules
06-21-2006, 10:37 PM
I wish Henman gets a seed in the first round like Roddick, Ljubicic, or Davidenko! He would certanly beat them! Henman deserves much more respect then he is getting, especially from british media!

Beating them would certainly be the best response to the seeding committee.

Horatio Caine
06-21-2006, 10:40 PM
I wish Henman gets a seed in the first round like Roddick, Ljubicic, or Davidenko! He would certanly beat them! Henman deserves much more respect then he is getting, especially from british media!

I'm sure he'd rather play Andy near R4...that way he has a little momentum going into it...Roddick would still be hoping for a huge run at that point.

He is not getting disrespect from the media at the moment...unfortunately they are hyping him up again :mad: Murray got bitch-slapped the last week or so...but his Nottingham run is shutting up the critics...going to be interesting :banana:

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 10:42 PM
Beating them would certainly be the best response to the seeding committee.I don't understand why it's so hard to comprehend that this is not the seeding committee's doing. They cannot make someone who is outside the top 32 players entered a seed. they just can't, whether they want to or not.

Jez, am I speaking to a wall? you're here, right?

Horatio Caine
06-21-2006, 10:45 PM
Jez, am I speaking to a wall? you're here, right?

Oh I'm trying so hard not to be... :o

PEOPLE....UNDERSTAND!!!! Henman is #62....he is therefore not in the top 32...THEREFORE HE CANNOT BE SEEDED!!!!

tennismaster882001
06-21-2006, 10:46 PM
From the media, ok, but how is him not seeing a lack of respect?

It has nothing to do with the fact that he is unseeded, it's just that they are jumping on him with critics as soon as he looses a match, it's great for Tim that now a lot of attention is on Murray, so I'm hoping he'll have a great tournament! I felt he was under so much pressure when he was highly seeded!

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 10:49 PM
It has nothing to do with the fact that he is unseeded, it's just that they are jumping on him with critics as soon as he looses a match, it's great for Tim that now a lot of attention is on Murray, so I'm hoping he'll have a great tournament! I fell he was under so much pressure when he was highly seeded!oh ok, sure I agree about the media... but this has nothing to do with him not being seeded right? or I am missing something.

Jez you're my hero.

Horatio Caine
06-21-2006, 10:49 PM
Jez you're my hero.

:lol:



:aplot:

tennismaster882001
06-21-2006, 10:52 PM
Yes you are right! Nothing to do with the seedings! I just wish Henman will have a great tournament, not loosing early!

Deboogle!.
06-21-2006, 10:53 PM
Yes you are right! Nothing to do with the seedings! I just wish Henman will have a great tournament, not loosing early!lol okay, well I agree. It would be nice to see him have another good run :)

tennis lover
06-21-2006, 10:54 PM
Oh I'm trying so hard not to be... :o

PEOPLE....UNDERSTAND!!!! Henman is #62....he is therefore not in the top 32...THEREFORE HE CANNOT BE SEEDED!!!!
:worship:

Yappa
06-21-2006, 11:03 PM
I am hoping for a tough opponent for Henman in first round. If he wins that first match, he can go pretty far in this tournament.

Guybrush
06-21-2006, 11:05 PM
1st round versus rodduck, please.:drool:

I agree! :D

Horatio Caine
06-21-2006, 11:46 PM
I agree! :D

You croatards need to get over your dislike of Roddick :lol:

(In fear of starting a huge discussion/debate/inter-forum war)...what is so bad about Roddick for you guys? :shrug:

AsGoodAsNew
06-22-2006, 07:05 AM
Oh I'm trying so hard not to be... :o

PEOPLE....UNDERSTAND!!!! Henman is #62....he is therefore not in the top 32...THEREFORE HE CANNOT BE SEEDED!!!!
I grudgingly admit through gritted teeth that you're right. :lol: But it still pees me off that he isn't seeded!

au_sports_opinion
06-22-2006, 08:11 AM
what is it with this view that all traditions must be kept.

some traditions simply suck and this subjective seeding bullsh!t is one of them