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Dent, Acasuso, Moya withdrew from Wimbledon

rrfnpump
06-19-2006, 05:38 PM
http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2006-05-30/200605301149000148502.html

Chucho :sad:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-19-2006, 05:43 PM
I don't know why the hell Chucho won't play? :shrug: He doesn't have an injury,no?

ufokart
06-19-2006, 05:48 PM
Chucho :sad:
Carlos :sad:
Dent.......well, i don't really care about him :lol:

justClaudia
06-19-2006, 06:57 PM
Carlos, Chucho. :sad:

NINA_BCN
06-19-2006, 07:10 PM
:eek: :sobbing:

*Ljubica*
06-19-2006, 07:20 PM
I don't know why the hell Chucho won't play? :shrug: He doesn't have an injury,no?
Chucho said during Roland Garros that he wouldn't play Wimbedon. He has spent the last 10 weeks or so in Europe, and will have another four here during the clay court tournaments in July - so the grass court season is the best time for him to go home, rest and spend time with his family. It's exactly the same reasoning as the American players not coming to Monte Carlo - geographically it's not possible for them to go home for a few days between tournaments like the European players can at this time of year, so they skip the tournaments where they feel they will achieve less :shrug: I don't blame Roddick/Ginepri etc for missing MC and I don't blame Chucho and the others for pulling out of Wimbledon. Travelling half way across the world to almost certainly lose in the 1st or 2nd round on your least favourite surface is not worth the time, expense and hassle involved for them.

DhammaTiger
06-19-2006, 07:23 PM
Chucho said during Roland Garros that he wouldn't play Wimbedon. He has spent the last 10 weeks or so in Europe, and will have another four here during the clay court tournaments in July - so the grass court season is the best time for him to go home, rest and spend time with his family. It's exactly the same reasoning as the American players not coming to Monte Carlo - geographically it's not possible for them to go home for a few days between tournarnents like the European players can at this time of year, so they skip the tournaments where they feel they will achieve less :shrug: I don't blame Roddick/Ginepri et for missing MC and I don't blame Chucho and the others for pulling out of Wimledon. Travelling half way across the world to almost certainly lose in the 1st or 2nd round on your least favourite surface is not worth the time, expense and hassle involved.

Good post Rosie and well said :worship:

NYCtennisfan
06-19-2006, 07:23 PM
Moya had good little run last year so it's too bad he won't be here this year. :(

croman
06-19-2006, 07:25 PM
What about Nalbandian?

*Ljubica*
06-19-2006, 07:25 PM
Moya had good little run last year so it's too bad he won't be here this year. :(
He will easily make up the points during the Summer clay tournaments if he rests now and makes sure his shoulder is completely healed :)

DrJules
06-19-2006, 07:42 PM
Chucho said during Roland Garros that he wouldn't play Wimbedon. It's exactly the same reasoning as the American players not coming to Monte Carlo.

Has a grand slam now reduced to being equated with a master series event. With 9 master series events I can understand players missing a few master series each year (Nadal/Federer will probably each miss 3 this year), but voluntarily missing a grand slam. :unsure:

Admittedly, I consider the ATP/ITF to blame. It is stupid having 2 grand slams separated by 2 weeks. They need to somehow to find another 2 weeks between Roland Garros and Wimbledon to enable a proper build up to a grand slam. The 4 grand slam should be considered the main events of the year and probably should carry double the points that they currently are allocated while retaining the current point structure for other events.

revolution
06-19-2006, 07:51 PM
I don't think Slams should be skipped unless you have an injury.

Time for the grass season to be extended by two weeks at least, there's simply not enough time to prepare and the likes of Monfils, Rusedski and Nadal were battling to be fit for its Grand Slam after knocks in the first week of the grass season.

An AMS series would be nice too, please :angel:

*Ljubica*
06-19-2006, 07:51 PM
Has a grand slam now reduced to being equated with a master series event. With 9 master series events I can understand players missing a few master series each year (Nadal/Federer will probably each miss 3 this year), but voluntarily missing a grand slam. :unsure:

Admittedly, I consider the ATP/ITF to blame. It is stupid having 2 grand slams separated by 2 weeks. They need to somehow to find another 2 weeks between Roland Garros and Wimbledon to enable a proper build up to a grand slam. The 4 grand slam should be considered the main events of the year and probably should carry double the points that they currently are allocated while retaining the current point structure for other events.
In their eyes - obviously the answer is yes :shrug: And I agree that the scheduling is to blame. Remember, most of the South American players (and many of the Spanish ones as well) devote their entire year towards peaking for RG - it is their life's ambition to win that tournament - so therefore I guess it's understandable that some reaction will set in when RG is over and they will need some time to regroup. As you say - RG and Wimbledon ARE too close together, and if the ATP/ITF put more space between them then things probably would be different, because players could go home for a couple of weeks after RG and still have time to come back to Europe to prepare on grass. But until then, this kind of thing will happen year after year, and I'm pretty sure there are stll a fair more withdrawals to come ;)

Fergie
06-19-2006, 08:03 PM
Chucho :hug:

mandoura
06-19-2006, 08:10 PM
Carlos :bigcry: , Chucho :sad: , Taylor :sad: .

Wimbledon and RG are really to close as said earlier.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2006, 08:14 PM
At this point Taylor should just stay out long enough to get a protected ranking :sad:

mandoura
06-19-2006, 08:15 PM
At this point Taylor should just stay out long enough to get a protected ranking :sad:

How is he? Still recovering?

musefanatic
06-19-2006, 08:17 PM
So sad to hear this, hope they're all ok by US Open :)

Deboogle!.
06-19-2006, 08:21 PM
How is he? Still recovering?there are a couple articles and a recent interview in his forum in the news thread if you want to read those. not many posts there so they're easy to find. But basically yes. he was in NYC helping them test the Hawkeye at the national tennis center but he had minor back surgery a couple months ago...i'd read that he hoped to be back for the grass season, but i guess he wasn't ready. I think for a long time he was able to pretty much do everything except serve and he can serve again now I think, but obviously he's not in good enough shape to compete at a slam. It's too bad for him as obviously grass is his best surface and whatnot.

hammett
06-19-2006, 08:33 PM
It's exactly the same reasoning as the American players not coming to Monte Carlo - geographically it's not possible for them to go home for a few days between tournaments like the European players can at this time of year, so they skip the tournaments where they feel they will achieve less :shrug: I don't blame Roddick/Ginepri etc for missing MC and I don't blame Chucho and the others for pulling out of Wimbledon. Travelling half way across the world to almost certainly lose in the 1st or 2nd round on your least favourite surface is not worth the time, expense and hassle involved for them.

While I was reading this part I agreed with you but then I realized that we only have one miserable tournament here in Argentina. Its only one week in which argentine players can gain points (not a lot) and at the same time staying home soo It's not the same in my opinion. Americans players have plenty of tournaments to stay at home. ;)

Deboogle!.
06-19-2006, 08:37 PM
I don't think you can possibly compare one non-slam clay tournament when there are still 3-5 others that they play (the other two masters, RG, dusseldorf, whatever), to WIMBLEDON. It's just comparing apples and oranges in my opinion. It's Wimbledon. :shrug:

almouchie
06-19-2006, 08:41 PM
they wouldnt be missed much
neither have done any good result on grass

Deboogle!.
06-19-2006, 08:48 PM
they wouldnt be missed much
neither have done any good result on grass:scratch: so everyone should just skip tourneys where they're unlikely to go far?

mandoura
06-19-2006, 08:48 PM
there are a couple articles and a recent interview in his forum in the news thread if you want to read those. not many posts there so they're easy to find. But basically yes. he was in NYC helping them test the Hawkeye at the national tennis center but he had minor back surgery a couple months ago...i'd read that he hoped to be back for the grass season, but i guess he wasn't ready. I think for a long time he was able to pretty much do everything except serve and he can serve again now I think, but obviously he's not in good enough shape to compete at a slam. It's too bad for him as obviously grass is his best surface and whatnot.

Yeah, I know that's why I was asking. :sad:

Thanks deb. I'll read the articles. :)

Sjengster
06-19-2006, 08:50 PM
Chucho :sad:
Carlos :sad:
Dent.......well, i don't really care about him :lol:

Considering that he is the only one for whom a withdrawal really matters, given the points he has to defend here, perhaps you should.

I'm going to miss his outspoken interviews and another bitchfesting classic against Hewitt, one that he might perhaps have won this time.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2006, 08:50 PM
Yeah, I know that's why I was asking. :sad:

Thanks deb. I'll read the articles. :)Sure :) I really feel badly for him because before this season started, a big deal was made about him relocating from out here to Florida to get into better shape, he looked fitted and trimmer at the start of the season then got hit by this injury in February. Pretty unlucky for him and ironic timing :(

rofe
06-19-2006, 08:51 PM
:scratch: so everyone should just skip tourneys where they're unlikely to go far?

I don't agree with it but some players are guilty of that. Case in point - Gaudio. Actually, it will be interesting to see if Gaudio withdraws this time as well.

revolution
06-19-2006, 09:03 PM
I don't think you can possibly compare one non-slam clay tournament when there are still 3-5 others that they play (the other two masters, RG, dusseldorf, whatever), to WIMBLEDON. It's just comparing apples and oranges in my opinion. It's Wimbledon. :shrug:

Well said :worship:

Some people on here try and say Bastad is more important than Wimbledon :lol:

revolution
06-19-2006, 09:03 PM
I've heard Gaudio is going to compete this time round.

shotgun
06-19-2006, 09:15 PM
Blame the short lenght of the grass season.

DrJules
06-19-2006, 09:23 PM
I don't think you can possibly compare one non-slam clay tournament when there are still 3-5 others that they play (the other two masters, RG, dusseldorf, whatever), to WIMBLEDON. It's just comparing apples and oranges in my opinion. It's Wimbledon. :shrug:

Until ATP/ITF resolve the timing of these events it is easy to understand these pull outs; there is little point arriving completely unprepared and making a fool of yourself. The only player successfully to have overcome the change was Borg from 1978-1980 and he never played a tournament between the French Open and Wimbledon. No other player has successfully adapted on a regular basis.

Reality is that Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal after 2 weeks at the French Open were both barely capable of handling 3 straight weeks and neither were likely to play this week as that would be 3 weeks in a row going into Wimbledon. Few players seem capable of playing 3 weeks successively at the level tennis is played these days.

Effectively, Wimbledon is heavily loaded in favour of players who have accumulated time on grass. Somebody like Rafael Nadal is going to continue to struggle to have a chance if he reaches the final at Roland Garros and is physically struggling the next week.

ufokart
06-19-2006, 09:42 PM
Considering that he is the only one for whom a withdrawal really matters, given the points he has to defend here, perhaps you should

I just said i didn't care because i'm not a fan of him. I have nothing against Taylor. :p

In fact, since 2001 Wimbledon has become quite a boring tournament for me. I like Wimbledon when serve and volleyers reached the semis and the final. I don't really like when the players play in grass behind the baseline like they were playing in clay.

Unfortunately, there aren't so many serve and volleyers nowadays :sad: so i would actually prefer to have Dent in full form.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-19-2006, 09:59 PM
Chucho said during Roland Garros that he wouldn't play Wimbedon. He has spent the last 10 weeks or so in Europe, and will have another four here during the clay court tournaments in July - so the grass court season is the best time for him to go home, rest and spend time with his family. It's exactly the same reasoning as the American players not coming to Monte Carlo - geographically it's not possible for them to go home for a few days between tournaments like the European players can at this time of year, so they skip the tournaments where they feel they will achieve less :shrug: I don't blame Roddick/Ginepri etc for missing MC and I don't blame Chucho and the others for pulling out of Wimbledon. Travelling half way across the world to almost certainly lose in the 1st or 2nd round on your least favourite surface is not worth the time, expense and hassle involved for them.

Thanks! :)
Of course he can make any decision he wants,but I still want him to play!I miss him and Gaston in Wimbledon!

Horatio Caine
06-19-2006, 10:26 PM
Taylor :sad: :sobbing:

Come back 100% fit soon :yeah:

robert6061
06-19-2006, 10:49 PM
Rosie summarised the situation succinctly and articulately. As much as the committee of the All England Club will hate to admit it, Wimbledon isn't held in quite the same esteem as Roland Garros among the majority of South American and Spanish players. I will nevertheless greatly miss the presence of all three players at Wimbledon this year.I am particularly disapponted that Acasuso will be absent as his game has matured greatly within the last nine months and the rough edges which prevented him progressing to the latter stages of major tournaments have to a great extent been smoothed away. Chucho has a big game which with experience could have been highly effective on grass.Moya has already proved that he is capable of having a decent run at Wimbledon too and it is a shame that at this late stage of his career he probably won't have many Wimbledons left.

There is a desparate need to have a four week gap between Roland Garros and Wimbledon but with the tournament calendar becoming ever more congested this is unlikely to happen. This could only be achieved if the number of Masters Series events is reduced and this is something the ATP is actively considering.

As for Dent,he will certainly be disappointed about his withdrawal as his game is most effective on grass. Many fans of grass court tennis who saw his battles in years gone by at Wimbledon with Hewitt and Agassi will be disappointed too.

Daniel
06-20-2006, 12:59 AM
Carlos and Chucho :sad:

Jimnik
06-20-2006, 01:10 AM
That's a shame, but at least there's still an outside chance that Srichaphan and Rusedski will be seeded. At the moment, the top 35 are seeded and those two are next in line. (Andreev and Coria have already withdrawn)

fyi
06-20-2006, 01:50 AM
Moya is in Germany now to see WorldCup. I saw him in the world cup tv news last night.

amierin
06-20-2006, 01:55 AM
What Chucho found out he's supposed to play on the grass not roll a fatty?

Mechlan
06-20-2006, 05:23 AM
What Chucho found out he's supposed to play on the grass not roll a fatty?

I believe it was Acasuso who famously said "Grass is for smoking."

16681
06-20-2006, 05:27 AM
It is a shame that Taylor isn't well enough to play in the Tournament that fits his style of tennis playing so well :sad: Get well soon Taylor :)

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-20-2006, 05:32 AM
I believe it was Acasuso who famously said "Grass is for smoking."
He really said that before? :eek:

Mechlan
06-20-2006, 06:14 AM
He really said that before? :eek:

Just kidding. :p

GermanBoy
06-20-2006, 10:24 AM
...and Lindsay, Jen, Serena and Mary...

Why do I still bother watching this? :mad:

*Ljubica*
06-20-2006, 10:42 AM
I don't think you can possibly compare one non-slam clay tournament when there are still 3-5 others that they play (the other two masters, RG, dusseldorf, whatever), to WIMBLEDON. It's just comparing apples and oranges in my opinion. It's Wimbledon. :shrug:
Well - as Robert6061 said - despite the hype and the views of the mainly English-speaking world (the States, Australia, GBR etc), - Wimbedon is really not such a big deal to those from South America and Spanish speaking countries, and many other places too. It is just another tournament that doesn't even get TV coverage or much press in some parts of the world whether some people here like that viewpoint or not :shrug: No one made such a big deal about Agassi annoucning 5/6 months ago that he wasn't going to play Roland Garros (or any of the clay court season), because he wanted to focus on Wimbledon and the US Open and knew he couldn't give of his best in all tournaments - so why do people attack Acasuso and others for doing the same thing :confused: It's just a case of "different strokes for different folks" - it is their bodies, their careers and the lives - let them get on with it.

Jaap
06-20-2006, 10:44 AM
Suprise, suprise....an Argie pulls out of Wimbledon. How many more will there be?

Acacuso is a gutless coward. Even Ginepri, Carlsen etc played Roland Garos.

*Ljubica*
06-20-2006, 10:46 AM
Suprise, suprise....an Argie pulls out of Wimbledon. How many more will there be?

Acacuso is a gutless coward. Even Ginepri, Carlsen etc played Roland Garos.
:rolleyes: As you seem to have such a low opinion of "Argies" - you won't miss watching them at Wimbledon then will you? :angel:

Deivid23
06-20-2006, 11:14 AM
Moya is in Germany now to see WorldCup. I saw him in the world cup tv news last night.

Charly :yeah:

shotgun
06-20-2006, 01:05 PM
I believe it was Acasuso who famously said "Grass is for smoking."

:lol:

Deboogle!.
06-20-2006, 02:29 PM
Well - as Robert6061 said - despite the hype and the views of the mainly English-speaking world (the States, Australia, GBR etc), - Wimbedon is really not such a big deal to those from South America and Spanish speaking countries, and many other places too. It is just another tournament that doesn't even get TV coverage or much press in some parts of the world whether some people here like that viewpoint or not :shrug: No one made such a big deal about Agassi annoucning 5/6 months ago that he wasn't going to play Roland Garros (or any of the clay court season), because he wanted to focus on Wimbledon and the US Open and knew he couldn't give of his best in all tournaments - so why do people attack Acasuso and others for doing the same thing :confused: It's just a case of "different strokes for different folks" - it is their bodies, their careers and the lives - let them get on with it.Andre's 36 and is a legend in more ways than one - the fact that he is still on court at all is admirable. He's also a former RG champion, so it's not like he's disrespecting the tourney by saying it's not worth his time. He has a chronic injury and determined, after having to limp off the court last year that his body could not handle the clay. And since you speak of Andre, he sincerely regrets the slams he missed earlier on in his career. He recognizes it was a mistake and rues the fact that he'd very possibly have won more Australian titles had he played. He thought he didn't have the game for grass and skipped Wimbledon several times and he now regrets it very much.

I really don't think you can compare him to Acasuso or whoever just doesn't feel like playing on grass. It's Wimbledon, it's a slam. I just don't think it's the same thing at all. They're skipping an entire season - regardless of how short it is - and I think it's a big slap in the face to the sport that there is a handful of players who don't respect tennis's most famous tournament enough to even show up. You don't think Acasuso has a game that could translate well on grass? I sure do. :shrug:

I mean, if he doesn't care, that's his perogative. I just think it's too bad. I'm not saying any of his fans should desert him b/c of it or whatever, but I know if one of my top faves was going to miss a slam for no reason, it would upset me a lot and I wouldn't defend his decision just because I support him.

Monteque
06-20-2006, 03:38 PM
Wow, what a big problem. :rolleyes:
They surely will reach the top ten soon, arent they...

*Ljubica*
06-20-2006, 04:30 PM
Andre's 36 and is a legend in more ways than one - the fact that he is still on court at all is admirable. He's also a former RG champion, so it's not like he's disrespecting the tourney by saying it's not worth his time. He has a chronic injury and determined, after having to limp off the court last year that his body could not handle the clay. And since you speak of Andre, he sincerely regrets the slams he missed earlier on in his career. He recognizes it was a mistake and rues the fact that he'd very possibly have won more Australian titles had he played. He thought he didn't have the game for grass and skipped Wimbledon several times and he now regrets it very much.

I really don't think you can compare him to Acasuso or whoever just doesn't feel like playing on grass. It's Wimbledon, it's a slam. I just don't think it's the same thing at all. They're skipping an entire season - regardless of how short it is - and I think it's a big slap in the face to the sport that there is a handful of players who don't respect tennis's most famous tournament enough to even show up. You don't think Acasuso has a game that could translate well on grass? I sure do. :shrug:

I mean, if he doesn't care, that's his perogative. I just think it's too bad. I'm not saying any of his fans should desert him b/c of it or whatever, but I know if one of my top faves was going to miss a slam for no reason, it would upset me a lot and I wouldn't defend his decision just because I support him.
Well let's just say we can agree to disagree :) As for Andre - sorry, but in my opinion, he is just a man like all the others, and the fact he is still playing at 36 is his choice nothing particularly "admirable" about it :shrug: He's not saving the world, just doing what he wants to do and good luck to him. But I don't believe he is worthy of the :worship: he gets in some quarters just for doing the job he chooses and is well-paid to do, - and neither do I beleive he should get any special treatment, dispensations, allowances or whatever, because of it. Anyway - just my opinion. If we all agreed it would be a very boring world.

atheneglaukopis
06-20-2006, 08:21 PM
and neither do I beleive he should get any special treatment, dispensations, allowances or whatever, because of it..
Andre Agassi is playing to the best of his ability everywhere he can, and he is fighting a failing body. He skipped the clay season because for the last two years it physically damaged him to play even one round at RG and left him in excruciating pain, that by the way he played a five set match through, even though it was the first round. If that isn't admirable, I don't know what is. At any rate, the last I checked, players are allowed to withdraw for injuries, which include herniated discs and inflamed sciatic nerves.

revolution
06-20-2006, 10:50 PM
You can't compromise with clay snobs. Why? Because to give more time for the Gaudios of this world to prepare for Wimbledon you would have to extend the grass season by 2 weeks, and the clay snobs just will not have it. So there will never be a compromise, grass will stay as it is and clay court players will continue not to play SW19 while there is so little time to prepare after RG.

revolution
06-20-2006, 11:41 PM
First off, there's no need to say "snobs." This discussion has been civil, so please try to keep it that way.

(Also, Moya, a "claycourter" mentioned at the top of this thread, withdrew citing a shoulder injury, not lawn-ophobia, so. :shrug: )

My personal view is that both Rosie and Deb are right. Deb is right in that many people view Wimbledon as THE tennis tournament, but Rosie is right in that that's not necessarily the case in every country, regardless of the history behind it. From one perspective it might be hard to imagine how someone could skip THE WIMBLEDON of all tournaments, but from someone else's perspective it could be: "Grass? :confused: :zzz:"

As for Agassi, I do agree that it's impressive what he's accomplished and that he's still (somewhat) active on the tour, but ultimately his decision to bypass the claycourt season was a strategic one. What I mean by that is that he didn't withdraw from the season because he was so injured during the entire clay season that he couldn't play; he withdrew because he was afraid that if he played he WOULD be injured during the grass season. I have to call a spade a spade and call that move strategic more than anything. However, I do support that decision, and I think it'd be great if he could make a solid run at Wimbledon.

So in the same vein I personally see no problem with "claycourters" bypassing the grass season whether it be for strategic/schedule-related reasons or injury concerns, especially considering how short the season is. My only issue is that players who do that are ruining their fans' chances to see them play more, but everyone's got to rest during the season some time.

They call themselves snobs :haha: Otherwise I'd just refer to them as Tards like tangy does!

idolwatcher1
06-20-2006, 11:44 PM
It is a shame that Taylor isn't well enough to play in the Tournament that fits his style of tennis playing so well :sad: Get well soon Taylor :)
I know!! :sad: I miss him out there, and it really is a shame that he'll miss this slam of all ones, but when he gets back in shape after a full recovery, then we can finally see him again! :)

revolution
06-20-2006, 11:48 PM
See, but you're using it in a derogatory sense, and you're inaccurately generalizing about the entire group. :p

It's true though, you can't compromise. More grass displeases them despite it being the best option for their fave players.

:cool:

Conita
06-20-2006, 11:54 PM
That's a shame, but at least there's still an outside chance that Srichaphan and Rusedski will be seeded. At the moment, the top 35 are seeded and those two are next in line. (Andreev and Coria have already withdrawn)

whats wrong with andreev?

and any1 knows if J Johansson will be playing?

atheneglaukopis
06-21-2006, 01:37 AM
As for Agassi, I do agree that it's impressive what he's accomplished and that he's still (somewhat) active on the tour, but ultimately his decision to bypass the claycourt season was a strategic one. What I mean by that is that he didn't withdraw from the season because he was so injured during the entire clay season that he couldn't play; he withdrew because he was afraid that if he played he WOULD be injured during the grass season. I have to call a spade a spade and call that move strategic more than anything. However, I do support that decision, and I think it'd be great if he could make a solid run at Wimbledon.Sure, it's preventative, but I maintain that his is an extreme case because of the severity of his ongoing injury--not because he's a legend--and the way he kept playing indicates that skipping clay season was a decision he made only because he absolutely had to. There is a direct and unmistakable link between his injury and the nature of claycourt tennis, which is too physically demanding for his body to handle now, and after the overwhelming evidence of the past two years he can't deny that any longer.

That said, I don't object if players with lesser concerns withdraw for preventative purposes as well, because, let's face it, the schedule is gruelling, especially at this time of year.

Action Jackson
06-21-2006, 06:25 AM
They call themselves snobs :haha: Otherwise I'd just refer to them as Tards like tangy does!

You have just received an invite to a special awards ceremony in Stockholm in December and you must wear formal wear.