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The American Men in Tennis

Hawkman
06-19-2006, 05:03 PM
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Besides my 6 year old son; where have all the good American's gone ? At one time it was was Agassi, Chang, Courier, Sampras, Wheaton, Martin, Gilbert and Washington. Even ole' Johnny Mac was hanging around the Top 25 and Jimmy Connor's was keeping the dream alive at the US OPEN in '91

(Even the woman at one time had Garrison, Seles, Capriati and Mary Joe Fernandez ..)

So. Aside from my 6 year old son; what's up ?

Roddick, Blake, Agassi (On the way out) Ginepri all make up the TOP 50. None of these guy's are any serious prodigal talent. I think ARod will win a couple more slams but the other guy's aren't any serious threat.

So when will American Men's Tennis come back ?

ufokart
06-19-2006, 05:13 PM
I think ARod will win a couple more slams but the other guy's aren't any serious threat.

Maybe he can win another one if he's lucky, improves his game and Federer dies or something, but a couple more? :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
06-19-2006, 05:16 PM
Not sure where this thread belongs moderator's. Feel free to move !

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Besides my 6 year old son; where have all the good American's gone ? At one time it was was Agassi, Chang, Courier, Sampras, Wheaton, Martin, Gilbert and Washington. Even ole' Johnny Mac was hanging around the Top 25 and Jimmy Connor's was keeping the dream alive at the US OPEN in '91

(Even the woman at one time had Garrison, Seles, Capriati and Mary Joe Fernandez ..)

So. Aside from my 6 year old son; what's up ?

Roddick, Blake, Agassi (On the way out) Ginepri all make up the TOP 50. None of these guy's are any serious prodigal talent. I think ARod will win a couple more slams but the other guy's aren't any serious threat.

So when will American Men's Tennis come back ?

Sorry to say, but Roddick wont win another slam if he continues his current form. If he gets his act together and fed is injured, then maybe one more. Ginepri is a fake, its a aberration, he really sucks. Agassi, as you said is on the way out, he should have retired last year...but James blake is where its at. Hes the real deal, hes the best American at the moment. coming up, we have Donald Young, if he stays in Futures and Challengers and doenst play up, gets confidence, and then makes a run up, Scoville Jenkins, hes a good player, and of course, agassi and sampras' kids.

Hawkman
06-19-2006, 05:20 PM
I see your point.

(he should not have ditched Brad as his coach I think)

I think 2 is a stretch honestly but feel out of that mix he is the only serious contender left.

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The state of the American game is sad. Hopefully the fallout from the 90's era player's will come to fruition in the next decade

Scotso
06-19-2006, 05:22 PM
Holden Seguso :banana:

zine56
06-19-2006, 05:45 PM
Maybe he can win another one if he's lucky, improves his game and Federer dies or something


:haha: :haha:

Deboogle!.
06-19-2006, 05:50 PM
Sam Querrey! :banana:

gusman890
06-19-2006, 06:11 PM
Sam Querrey! :banana:


a men

Neverstopfightin
06-19-2006, 06:21 PM
John Paul Fruttero :rocker2:

Deboogle!.
06-19-2006, 06:31 PM
a menJust graduated high school, is already like 6'6 with a huge serve and won a challenger title already. I really see potentially big things for him.

R.Federer
06-19-2006, 06:35 PM
blake seems like he could be a great late bloomer. If he had held his nerve last September, he might have played his first GS final
andy.... well, he has got to regroup. People expected he would be in the mix competing for slams, but it has been about what? 10 slams now (oh man, longer than I thought....). Right now would be a good time to regroup
The others, well I don't know who's coming up, but it's probably not a bad idea to start looking at the next generation

Deboogle!.
06-19-2006, 06:42 PM
blake seems like he could be a great late bloomer. If he had held his nerve last September, he might have played his first GS finalUntil and unless he can win a 5-setter, I don't see how he could be considered a Slam contender.

cobalt60
06-19-2006, 06:46 PM
It is a different world of tennis these days. Too many good players abound. I like this current crop anyway. And I enjoy watching players from other countries.

Scotso
06-19-2006, 06:47 PM
Sam rocks. He's going to be pretty good. :D There are a few other young Americans with some potential.

cobalt60
06-19-2006, 06:50 PM
I will have to be on the look out for Sam Q ( too great names :lol: ) whenever I get to a tournie where he is at!

R.Federer
06-19-2006, 07:33 PM
Until and unless he can win a 5-setter, I don't see how he could be considered a Slam contender.
Yes, that's what I meant about holding his nerve last September. He was up a break and frequently in the driving seat in the fifth
Maybe he can make a breakthrough at Wimbledon this year.... at least qf I hope

Deboogle!.
06-19-2006, 08:13 PM
Maybe he can make a breakthrough at Wimbledon this year.... at least qf I hopeMaybe, but he's still only ever had one good tourney on grass. luckily for him, it was this past week lol. he's simply just not that dependable yet. he's had a great last 12 months or so but has still had some really horrific and early losses in that time. So I don't see him ever really reaching the top or becoming a great of the game. it's a testament to his game that he's been able to win titles, beat top players, and make the top 10 while still having this huge mental 'deficiency' for lack of a better word, but I think it will keep him from attaining the highest level. Perhaps he will prove me wrong!

Sue, you should. he is a super nice kid, appears to have a really good head on his shoulders, etc. and if he's only 18 and already 6'6 with a huge serve, who knows what else he can develop. Soon he'll be playing a lot of the US tourneys i'm sure. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a WC into the USO.

NYCtennisfan
06-19-2006, 08:31 PM
Big low point for American tennis, but these things tend to change. In the mid 80's after JMAC left the game and Connors was getting long in the tooth, there was nobody really. American tennis was labeled dead because everyone expected players to rival JMac and Connors with their 15 Slams and almost 30 Slam finals. Ivan Lendl, Mats Wilander, Boris Becker and Stefan Edberg ruled the roost. Then Andre came along in the late 80's. Then Chang. Then Courier. And then Pete.

Obviously it will be difficult for such a crop to come along again and it shouldn't be expected, but you never know who is waiting around the corner.

NYCtennisfan
06-19-2006, 08:32 PM
Soon he'll be playing a lot of the US tourneys i'm sure. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a WC into the USO.


I'm pretty sure he will. :)

elang
06-19-2006, 08:34 PM
Good Americans don't like playing tennis any more. They can make much more money in NBA than ATP while playing much less. Or how about golf? You can play golf much longer than in tennis, get less injury, while making 100 million a year like Tiger? Pete Samprus may never make so much in his whole career.

So the question is : Why work more for less money?

almouchie
06-19-2006, 08:55 PM
well there arent many in the top 100
blake, roddick,Dent, Fish, Ginepri

apart from Roddick none has won a GS, or even reached a final
it looks increasing unlikely that any will in the future
in the junior it doesnt look like they even have the talent
Donald Young by the way
is no real prospect
too much hype little substance

Hawkman
06-19-2006, 10:10 PM
Nice takes guy's. My sentiment's more or less. It is a sad state of affair's on the Men's game (Until my 6 year old comes along :devil: :bolt:

mojo37_12
06-20-2006, 01:33 AM
Nice takes guy's. My sentiment's more or less. It is a sad state of affair's on the Men's game (Until my 6 year old comes along :devil: :bolt:

Cute.

Anyway, Andy should take a break from the game for a while to figure things out and recover the thirst he seems to have lost. Young is good... he just has to avoid the clay courts... :)

amierin
06-20-2006, 01:43 AM
I don't see Roddick winning another slam unless Jimmy Connors hits him upside the head hard and repeatedly. Until he changes his game, until he realizes the tennis he played to win the US Open a lifetime ago isn't going to win him matches this time he will continue his free fall through the rankings.

Blake can't get over the hump of a quarter final let alone a final. Dent had back surgery. Ginepri? Who?

It'll be another couple of years before an American man is a serious contender.

Deboogle!.
06-20-2006, 02:04 AM
....until he realizes the tennis he played to win the US Open a lifetime ago isn't going to win him matches this time he will continue his free fall through the rankings.That'd make perfect sense, if he were still playing the tennis he played when he won the US Open.

AsGoodAsNew
06-20-2006, 08:58 AM
Nice takes guy's. My sentiment's more or less. It is a sad state of affair's on the Men's game (Until my 6 year old comes along :devil: :bolt:
I think it's very serious. Agassi is surely going to bow out this year. Without American champions, America will lose interest in the sport, and the sponsors will back off. Tennis is nothing in the UK, and even less so in other countries. So it's not like soccer which can survive with not being a big fish in the US.

I know some will not like me saying this, but tennis needs Americans in my opinion. And fast.

euroka1
06-20-2006, 10:10 AM
I don't see Roddick winning another slam unless Jimmy Connors hits him upside the head hard and repeatedly. Until he changes his game, until he realizes the tennis he played to win the US Open a lifetime ago isn't going to win him matches this time he will continue his free fall through the rankings.


Less a free fall; rather a slow glide. But without a new power boost, I don't see him gaining altitude.

New talent is sorely needed but it takes an exceptional person to have the emotional and competitive drive to get there up there to the top. Andy had all three as well as a controlling family.

NadalsBoyToy
06-20-2006, 01:18 PM
Just like the conversation that was has about women's tennis. Then "out of NOWHERE" came Jamea Jackson (d. Sharapova on way to DFS Final), Shenay Perry (lasted longer than EVERY American at RG except Venus and a tie w/ Blake), and a bunch of other young talented players. All they need is confidence and a chance to step up. It'll happen. I have lots of faith in Querry and Young (if he can get his act together). American tennis will be FINE!

ae wowww
06-20-2006, 02:22 PM
I don't think it's fair to say James Blake, Mardy Fish, Andy & Robby are on the way out at all. And as has been said, there are young players coming through at the moment: the likes of Eric Butorac, Chris Drake, Sam Querrey. Just be patient! :)

Deboogle!.
06-20-2006, 02:33 PM
I don't think it's fair to say James Blake, Mardy Fish, Andy & Robby are on the way out at all. And as has been said, there are young players coming through at the moment: the likes of Eric Butorac, Chris Drake, Sam Querrey. Just be patient! :)well Andy is obviously trying things to get out of his slump. But he hasn't done so yet. James backed up his 2005 summer with 2 titles and 2 other finals this year, so obviously i think he's proven that he's here to stay for at least a while, but he is already 26. Robby, however, hasn't shown that last summer was anything more than a fluke. We will have to see what happens when he gets back to those tourneys where he had such success last year and see if he can get it back. Mardy got hurt and has cut his ranking from almost 300 into the top 90 in a matter of a few months - winning 2 challengers and an ATP title, so to say he's on his way out is silly. If he could just get his head together, he probably has more natural talent than any of the other guys.

And as you said, there are plenty of young guys coming up :) Tennis has been on a downswing in the US for many years - before the lack of US men winning majors.

DrJules
06-20-2006, 07:04 PM
Most countries would be delighted to have 2 top 10 players. With tennis played in so many countries why should we expect any one nation to dominate.

US womens tennis has historically taken a lot of players from other countries; Navratilova, Seles and Sharapova?

Scotso
06-20-2006, 07:08 PM
Most countries would be delighted to have 2 top 10 players. With tennis played in so many countries why should we expect any one nation to dominate.

US womens tennis has historically taken a lot of players from other countries; Navratilova, Seles and Sharapova?

Sharapova plays for Russia. Considering the number of players that live here, we should have more that play for us.

DrJules
06-20-2006, 07:10 PM
Sharapova plays for Russia. Considering the number of players that live here, we should have more that play for us.


That was why there was a ? after Sharapova.
And Monaco would dominate world tennis based on residence :lol: :lol: :lol:

NyGeL
06-20-2006, 07:14 PM
I heard something about a guy called Josh Olivas who seems to have a great future, don't he?

Deboogle!.
06-20-2006, 08:11 PM
:spit: Gotta love European micro-states with "agreeable" tax laws. :aplot:well, some US states have those too :p How ironic that Florida is one of them ;)

Deboogle!.
06-20-2006, 08:24 PM
:haha: Ah ha ha! Indeed! :yeah:Seriously are there any active American tennis players that don't have Florida as their address? Andy's in TX but they have no income tax either. Davenport is in CA... so yeah not so many! :p And all the foreign players who live in the US pretty much all live in Florida too (obviously the year-round good weather contributes to that as well).

but in all fairness they still have to pay Federal tax and I suppose they don't in Monaco or wherever?

Fee
06-21-2006, 01:24 AM
Agassi/Graf have 3 houses between them (Las Vegas, Miami, Tiburon or wherever that house technically is) but I'm pretty sure their legal residence is LV. I know a few who don't live in FL, but only a few (Robby, Vahaly, Jenkins and Young in Georgia; JMG in Hawaii/Washington; Justin in CA/NJ, but he might be using a FL address for taxes; Dent was in CA, no idea what he legally calls home now).

Scotso
06-21-2006, 02:47 AM
Americans and the French can't go to Monaco to avoid taxes, because Americans have to pay taxes to the US gov't no matter where they live, and the French have to pay taxes if they live in Monaco. The top French players go to Switzerland.

There are a lot of players that live in Monaco, but I wouldn't say it would dominate the tennis world.

Tennis Fool
06-21-2006, 02:53 AM
I think it's very serious. Agassi is surely going to bow out this year. Without American champions, America will lose interest in the sport, and the sponsors will back off. Tennis is nothing in the UK, and even less so in other countries. So it's not like soccer which can survive with not being a big fish in the US.

I know some will not like me saying this, but tennis needs Americans in my opinion. And fast.
:eek:
First time I've heard that sentiment from a non-American. Usually, it's "who cares about Americans."

Anyway, tennis isn't that popular in the UK? What sports would you put above it?

Tennis Fool
06-21-2006, 02:59 AM
That was why there was a ? after Sharapova.
And Monaco would dominate world tennis based on residence :lol: :lol: :lol:
Actually Scotso read it right. The way you wrote the sentence made it appear as a rhetorical question.

TylerW
06-21-2006, 03:00 AM
Chase Buchanan was born in 1991 and is already playing Futures. Here are his results: Results (http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=100066439)