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Fed and tiebreaks.

deliveryman
06-18-2006, 10:44 PM
Normally Federer has been a beast win it comes to tiebreaks, sporting an astounding TB record.

However recently, it seems that he has been losing a lot more tie breaks than usual. Do you think that he's not as confident as he once was?

megadeth
06-18-2006, 10:58 PM
law of averages. that's all.

musefanatic
06-18-2006, 11:02 PM
I actually thought this too when I saw he'd lost the second set tiebreak to Berdych. I agree, probably just a phase or something.

TennisGrandSlam
06-19-2006, 01:08 AM
Normally Federer has been a beast win it comes to tiebreaks, sporting an astounding TB record.

However recently, it seems that he has been losing a lot more tie breaks than usual. Do you think that he's not as confident as he once was?


Except the newcomers, no player has career tiebreak winning rate > 70% or < 30%.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2006, 01:30 AM
Rafa is in his head. At night, he keeps hearing yelps of Vamos ringing in his ears and hallucinating that a pair of clamdiggers are lying near his bed.

atheneglaukopis
06-19-2006, 01:51 AM
Rafa is in his head. At night, he keeps hearing yelps of Vamos ringing in his ears and hallucinating that a pair of clamdiggers are lying near his bed.
I'm telling you. He's waking up in a cold sweat. :scared:

Johnny Groove
06-19-2006, 01:55 AM
I'm telling you. He's waking up in a cold sweat. :scared:

:lol: o, Sjengster on April 25, 2006, what a kidder :)

idolwatcher1
06-19-2006, 02:33 AM
Normally Federer has been a beast win it comes to tiebreaks, sporting an astounding TB record.

However recently, it seems that he has been losing a lot more tie breaks than usual. Do you think that he's not as confident as he once was?
it may have more to do with his opponents feeling more confident against him... afterall, to get to a tie-break against the world #1 (of more than two years) could be a bit of a confidence booster (however temporary it may be)...

Mimi
06-19-2006, 02:37 AM
roger is the master in tie breakers, i always am stunned to see how many tie breakers he won :worship:

soonha
06-19-2006, 04:20 AM
His TB record was 17-5 something before the FO final and two of the losses were from the Rome final against Nadal(someone corrects me, if I'm wrong). After then, 4-4(4 wins in Halle, 1 loss in Paris+3 losses in Halle).

I think this is rather about his lack of concentration during the matches resulted from mental exhaustion after Paris than any other reasons. TB demands much more concentration and focus of players but it seemed that he just didn't have much enough in his tank for the whole week.

idolwatcher1
06-19-2006, 04:27 AM
soonha, I agree, it takes more concentration in tie-breaks... hopefully, he won't be mentally exhausted during Wimbledon...

Scotso
06-19-2006, 04:28 AM
Rafa is in his head. At night, he keeps hearing yelps of Vamos ringing in his ears and hallucinating that a pair of clamdiggers are lying near his bed.

:haha: :yeah:

spencercarlos
06-19-2006, 04:58 AM
His TB record was 17-5 something before the FO final and two of the losses were from the Rome final against Nadal(someone corrects me, if I'm wrong). After then, 4-4(4 wins in Halle, 1 loss in Paris+3 losses in Halle).

I think this is rather about his lack of concentration during the matches resulted from mental exhaustion after Paris than any other reasons. TB demands much more concentration and focus of players but it seemed that he just didn't have much enough in his tank for the whole week.
Since the second set of the Rome final its been
5 wins (Hartfied, Botanna, Gasquet, 2 Rochus)- 8 loses (3 Naldal, Massu, Gasquet, Rochus, Haas, Berdich).

Yeah i agree he has been struggling on tiebreaks lately, as well as trying to close out matches.

heya
06-19-2006, 05:04 AM
If only sensible players can prove they're one-dimensional and that have coaches who cheat poor Federer... After all, wins and GOAT status make a tennis player more special. :lol:

yuffchen
06-19-2006, 09:23 AM
Tiebreak is like bingo. Either you win or not ;) And Federer is normally a good bingo player :lol:

FSRteam
06-19-2006, 09:39 AM
I think fed is no more that confident and when it comes to TBs or closing a match out, he chokes...

He's unfortunately become a bit of a choker lately... :(

The guy needs a rest and a good break that he'll get after wimby!

stebs
06-19-2006, 09:46 AM
He will be fine at Wimby. The reason it has looked bad in tiebreaks lately is that he has lost several to Rafa because Rafa is everybit as mentally strong as Roger and then some added to this week in Halle where Roger has been mentally fragile after the tiring clay court season. That said he still saved four match points with winners to beat Oli Rochus.

Purple Rainbow
06-19-2006, 09:50 AM
Knowing Roger, he probably lost a few tiebreaks deliberately to get some extra grass practice in Halle.

nobama
06-19-2006, 10:38 AM
Knowing Roger, he probably lost a few tiebreaks deliberately to get some extra grass practice in Halle.Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Purple Rainbow
06-19-2006, 11:19 AM
Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

I didn't think it would have been necessary to use a wink smiley, as I considered it so damn obvious I was joking. :rolleyes:

MariaV
06-19-2006, 11:27 AM
Mirkaland, you're not getting nervous about the Wimby now aren't you? :eek:
I don't think anyone can beat him at Wimby.

bandabou
06-19-2006, 04:46 PM
Nadal's tiebreak record is amazing indeed against Roger, but I think some of this might also be due to the fact that Nadal is much much more defensive minded than Roger....just keeping the ball in play and waiting for the err, only attacking when the opponent is TOTALLy out of position.

What I find more worrisome is that Roger is choking when he has to finish out matches and then goes to a multi-game slump. This used to be more like the old Roger, pre '04...should be careful not to turn into a mental case again.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-19-2006, 05:33 PM
It doesn't matter,he wins at crucial time always.

DrJules
06-19-2006, 07:47 PM
Normally Federer has been a beast win it comes to tiebreaks, sporting an astounding TB record.

However recently, it seems that he has been losing a lot more tie breaks than usual. Do you think that he's not as confident as he once was?

He won the 2 most important in Halle against Rochus. The tie-breaks against Haas and Berdych were far less important.

R.Federer
06-19-2006, 07:53 PM
law of averages. that's all.
No...
Higher ranked players are statistically more likely to win tiebreakers against lower ranked ones, so the #1 player will have greater than a .5 chance of winning Tiebreaks. Of course, in any given situation any one can win, but it won't even out to 50% for the high ranked players

TenHound
06-19-2006, 08:02 PM
The only player who can beat Federer @Wimby is Federer.

And he just might do it this yr. as a vacation is probably the only thing more exciting to him at the moment than a Wimby Trophy.

Apemant
06-19-2006, 08:20 PM
What I find more worrisome is that Roger is choking when he has to finish out matches and then goes to a multi-game slump. This used to be more like the old Roger, pre '04...should be careful not to turn into a mental case again.

He is still a mental case (as he always was). It's just that his unearthly skill made him gradually build the confidence required to win multiple Slams. That confidence was built on the actual experience of dominating just about everyone. But, after 2 years of domination, he suddenly stumbled upon a Nadal here. There's no point denying that the Kid got under his skin. The only question is how he will deal with it over time.

elang
06-19-2006, 08:25 PM
He is lacking a few things recently : energy, concentration, confidence. Let's see if he can pick it up at wimbledon.

soonha
06-19-2006, 09:53 PM
He is lacking a few things recently : energy, concentration, confidence. Let's see if he can pick it up at wimbledon.
He can pick it up. As I posted before, I think his recent TB losses, esp. the ones in Halle, were mostly attributed to mental exhaustion after FO loss and consequent loss of concentration. If it's the case, there is no reason to doubt his ability of winning TBs.

As an evidence, let's see the TB stat of top 5 players this year.

Federer: Win 21/Loss 10(68% winning rate)
Nadal: 9/3(75%)
Nalbandian: 3/3(50%)
Lubjcic: 12/14(46%)
Roddick: 10/4(71%)

However, there is a possibility of a little scew of the stat because many losses of Federer's and Lubjcic's occurred in clay season(Federer:W4/L6, Lub:1/6). Esp. in the case of Federer, most of TB losses came from his frequent encounters with Nadal(2/4).

Then when excluding stats on clay,

Federer: 17/5(81%)
Nadal: 2/1(67%)
Nalbandian: 2/2(50%)
Lubjcic:11/8(58%)*
Roddick:10/2(83%)
(*Three of 8 losses resulted from the final against Federer in Miami)

Well, over than 80% of TB winning rate is not that bad, I think...