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Hewitt beats Henman 6-3 3-6 6-2

Tian
06-17-2006, 03:28 PM
:sad:

Björki
06-17-2006, 03:29 PM
LLeyton :yeah:

Doctor Dance
06-17-2006, 03:30 PM
good signs for henman though :yeah:

Deboogle!.
06-17-2006, 03:32 PM
Entertaining stuff. too bad the line calls were so shitty throughout the whole match. Let's get Hawkeye everywhere, geez, this is a joke.

GonzoFan
06-17-2006, 03:33 PM
:woohoo:

Horatio Caine
06-17-2006, 03:33 PM
Dreadful umpiring and line calls.

Excellent week for Tim and he played some oustanding tennis...better than I've seen him play in years. If he keeps this up and stays fit, he can go far at Wimby if he gets a good draw. I hope he also continues his form into the rest of the year.

Well done Tim! :yeah:

GermanBoy
06-17-2006, 03:34 PM
Like them both! Happy for Lleyton! Sad for Tim!

slipmaskin
06-17-2006, 03:34 PM
A bunch of terrible calls against Henman in that third set, it was evident that it was going to send him over the edge as per usual. He just can't shake off those external nuisances, it's a guaranteed meltdown whenever they get prevalent. A shame.

Scotso
06-17-2006, 03:34 PM
Lleyt :D take the title!

mandoura
06-17-2006, 03:34 PM
:sad: Timmy.

:hug: Lleyton.

Yappa
06-17-2006, 03:35 PM
Fun match! :yeah: And very emotional. :) But its sad that the rebreak happened due to a bad line call.

dmit424
06-17-2006, 03:36 PM
Let's go Lleyton!!! Take this title!

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 03:37 PM
What a meltdown. I thought Tim had enough experience to not let that particular line call get to him. :o

Well done, Lleyton. :yeah:

sammy2
06-17-2006, 03:37 PM
Unfortuneately bad line calls are just part of the game and happen all the time. I really like both Tim and Lleyton and they are good friends, but you would think by his age Time would have come to grips with human error.

jes_021
06-17-2006, 03:39 PM
Those linespeople and umpire where sleeping most of the time it seemed :o

But a fun match with some great points.

Nice tournie played, Tim :)

And yes, finally another final for Lleyton. Now don't lose this one :lol: Going more then a year without winning a title is long enough.

slipmaskin
06-17-2006, 03:39 PM
Unfortuneately bad line calls are just part of the game and happen all the time. I really like both Tim and Lleyton and they are good friends, but you would think by his age Time would have come to grips with human error.
Well, keep in mind that Henman is renowned for these kind of meltdowns. I've seen this happen so many times when he plays, it's practically a innate trait.

scoobs
06-17-2006, 03:40 PM
A clutch of bad calls in that match unfortunately - but the first rule of matchplay is that you don't let bad calls affect more than the one point it was one. Tim failed to obey that rule, as he has done many times in his career, and paid for it.

I expect Tim to be scathing about the umpiring and linecalling in that match and demand that Hawkeye be introduced ASAP.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit of fuss about the use by Tim of the commentator box to let him know what Hawkeye made of the call, too.

First time I've seen that - I'm not surprised by the development if it can be done but I'm not sure people are going to like it.

Deboogle!.
06-17-2006, 03:40 PM
Unfortuneately bad line calls are just part of the game and happen all the time. I really like both Tim and Lleyton and they are good friends, but you would think by his age Time would have come to grips with human error.Maybe, but forgetting about that, the technology is there so we don't have to come to grips with human error anymore. Let's get the Hawkeye out there everywhere, there's no need for this anymore.

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 03:43 PM
Maybe, but forgetting about that, the technology is there so we don't have to come to grips with human error anymore. Let's get the Hawkeye out there everywhere, there's no need for this anymore.

Thing is, HawkEye isn't 100% accurate.

Conita
06-17-2006, 03:45 PM
aww Tim :sad:

but well done Hewitt
im hoping for an 'old school' final
Roddick vs Hewitt

:P

scoobs
06-17-2006, 03:45 PM
Thing is, HawkEye isn't 100% accurate.
There's no such thing as 100% accurate.

It has been proved to be more accurate than the human eye.

revolution
06-17-2006, 03:45 PM
It seems as though line judges and umpires still don't understand that if the ball touches any part of the line it is IN. That was the silliness of the line judge here.

A few aces from Henman in the said game were given as faults too when from the TV they were clearly aces.

He was unlucky but he'll be a danger at Wimby and I think he'll go pretty far on this form.

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 03:47 PM
There's no such thing as 100% accurate.

It has been proved to be more accurate than the human eye.

Yes, but the way Deb put it, it was as if she was saying that it is totally accurate. The reason why some players disapprove of it is that it is not.

Deboogle!.
06-17-2006, 03:51 PM
Yes, but the way Deb put it, it was as if she was saying that it is totally accurate. The reason why some players disapprove of it is that it is not.I never said it was 100% accurate, but it's very widely accepted and a lot of testing has proven it's more accurate than the human eye. it's just so frustrating to see so many bad calls mar an otherwise good match. it just stinks. It's not perfect nor did I suggest it was. but surely it's better.

dmit424
06-17-2006, 03:51 PM
There's no such thing as 100% accurate.

It has been proved to be more accurate than the human eye.


What medium do you have to prove it, since neither of the given mediums are 100% accurate?

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 03:52 PM
I never said it was 100% accurate, but it's very widely accepted and a lot of testing has proven it's more accurate than the human eye. it's just so frustrating to see so many bad calls mar an otherwise good match. it just stinks. It's not perfect nor did I suggest it was. but surely it's better.

The point is that you make it seem as if it's such a clear-cut decision when in fact it's not. Otherwise, there wouldn't be players opposing it. :p

scoobs
06-17-2006, 03:53 PM
What medium do you have to prove it, since neither of the given mediums are 100% accurate?
*I* don't have any medium to prove it since this is not my field of expertise.

scoobs
06-17-2006, 03:54 PM
The point is that you make it seem as if it's such a clear-cut decision when in fact it's not. Otherwise, there wouldn't be players opposing it. :p
The majority of the top players have come out in favour of it, very enthusiastically so.

Some haven't, admittedly.

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 03:54 PM
The majority of the top players have come out in favour of it, very enthusiastically so.

Some haven't, admittedly.

Yes, and there are reasons for that.

scoobs
06-17-2006, 03:56 PM
Yes, and there are reasons for that.
As there are reasons why the majority have.

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 03:57 PM
As there are reasons why the majority have.

That's why I say that the decision isn't that clear-cut.

Neverstopfightin
06-17-2006, 03:57 PM
Thing is, HawkEye isn't 100% accurate.

It isn't 100% accurate but it's infinitely more accurate than human eye . The margin of error is very small .

I don't understand why some players like Roger can be against this system . HawEye brings more justice to the game .

scoobs
06-17-2006, 03:58 PM
That's why I say that the decision isn't that clear-cut.
No-one is arguing that it is - merely that on balance a lot of the players would favour it being in more use than it is now.

I think the increase in analysis of bad calls as in this match will tip things further in favour as time goes on.

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 04:01 PM
No-one is arguing that it is - merely that on balance a lot of the players would favour it being in more use than it is now.

I think the increase in analysis of bad calls as in this match will tip things further in favour as time goes on.

Deb's post made it seem like it is, which is what I had an issue with although I'm actually for HawkEye. My point is that the decision is not clear-cut, not that HawkEye shouldn't be used.

scoobs
06-17-2006, 04:01 PM
Deb's post made it seem like it is, which is what I had an issue with although I'm actually for HawkEye.
I think you're reading too much into her words, implying a certainty that I don't think she intended to suggest.

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 04:02 PM
I think you're reading too much into her words, implying a certainty that I don't think she intended to suggest.

Maybe, but forgetting about that, the technology is there so we don't have to come to grips with human error anymore. Let's get the Hawkeye out there everywhere, there's no need for this anymore.

A pretty strong response, don't you think? ;)

scoobs
06-17-2006, 04:04 PM
Nothing she says there suggests that she thinks the technology is 100% accurate, only that HUMAN error would be eliminated.

dmit424
06-17-2006, 04:11 PM
Higher seed should be allowed to decide whether to use it in a match or not.

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 04:12 PM
Nothing she says there suggests that she thinks the technology is 100% accurate, only that HUMAN error would be eliminated.

But she does make it sound as if the decision is clear-cut.

scoobs
06-17-2006, 04:14 PM
But she does make it sound as if the decision is clear-cut.
I don't see that. We all know it's possible the machine could be slightly wrong - I believe it has a margin for error of 2mm. The players know that, the umpires know that and it's accepted by the ATP. No-one is going to argue with the machine as they do currently with the umpire or linesperson over bad calls. They are forced to accept the machine's judgement.

slipmaskin
06-17-2006, 04:15 PM
Arguing about semantics here, are we?

Anyway, needless to say, HawkEye was sorely needed in this here match.

silverwhite
06-17-2006, 04:20 PM
I don't see that. We all know it's possible the machine could be slightly wrong - I believe it has a margin for error of 2mm. The players know that, the umpires know that and it's accepted by the ATP. No-one is going to argue with the machine as they do currently with the umpire or linesperson over bad calls. They are forced to accept the machine's judgement.

It depends on how you interprete it. To me it did and that's why I felt compelled to reply. Simple as that.

scoobs
06-17-2006, 04:22 PM
It depends on how you interprete it. To me it did and that's why I felt compelled to reply. Simple as that.
Fair enough. It's always a dubious business to reply to something you have effectively inferred from what someone has posted, though.

mecir72
06-17-2006, 04:26 PM
Funny thing is. When the challenge was introduced in Indian Wells Henman lost all of the challenges he made hehe. Today he probably would have improved on that stat.

new-york
06-17-2006, 04:32 PM
Nice week for Tim.
I will be rooting for Hewitt opponent, but good luck in the final, Hewitt.

NYCtennisfan
06-17-2006, 04:46 PM
Grass season always has the worst calls which is understandable with the speed and all. Thing about shotspot, hawkeye, whatever is that even though it may not be 100% accurate, at least it brings closure to a point. It's like an arbitration system. Umps and players disagree, let's go to a third source who we all will agree with. It's certainly a step up from where we are now.

almouchie
06-17-2006, 05:31 PM
after a great 2 sets from tim
he completely disintegrated in the last 5 games & handed the match to Lleyton
I though his form was too good to be true
thou still I think he is still a dark horse for Wimby
whethere the Brits want to admit or it he has been the best British/English player in the past 30+ years,
consistently in the top tire of tennis, 4th ranked & good shows in Wimby.
if he were to retire now his career should be appluaded by the media & not criticized.

Corey Feldman
06-17-2006, 07:34 PM
idiotic lines"people" everywhere this week...
but Tim should never have let it get to him so badly..
at 3-6 6-3 2-0 he was playing so much better than Hewitt...
so all in all, great signs for the future, he's back!

Raquel
06-17-2006, 09:27 PM
Well done Lleyton :bounce:

Good luck tomorrow. I would love to see him win another Queens.

Marksman
06-17-2006, 10:00 PM
Well Done Lleyton hope you win now, but Tim was very unlucky but at least he is playing well. Anybody know what position in the rankings Tim will move up to after this SF? Hopefully getting nearer that British No1 spot, where he deserves to be!

reece
06-17-2006, 10:10 PM
I thought that it was interesting that during some of those close calls Tim was able to look into the BBC commentry box and get thumbs-up confirmation from Chris Bailey who had checked hawk-eye. So Tim knew for sure that the umpire was wrong, which is quite unusual, and probably added to his frustration instead of just accepting the call.
Tough luck for Tim, he put up a good fight, but he should've dealt with the frustration better.

decrepitude
06-17-2006, 10:14 PM
Well Done Lleyton hope you win now, but Tim was very unlucky but at least he is playing well. Anybody know what position in the rankings Tim will move up to after this SF? Hopefully getting nearer that British No1 spot, where he deserves to be!

On the Andy Murray message board, we keep a pretty sharp eye on all the Brits. We make Tim up to no. 62 on Monday (crosses fingers we are right!)

Tim's ranking comes under the "General Discussion" section.

Marksman
06-17-2006, 10:33 PM
On the Andy Murray message board, we keep a pretty sharp eye on all the Brits. We make Tim up to no. 62 on Monday (crosses fingers we are right!)

Tim's ranking comes under the "General Discussion" section.

Thanks for that being ranked 62 will be great for a weeks work!

An intresting fact I just noticed is that all 2 of Tim's SF losses this year have now come by a 6-3 3-6 6-2 loss :rolleyes: (Source: Useless Tennis Informaton) :p

scoobs
06-17-2006, 11:22 PM
Thanks for that being ranked 62 will be great for a weeks work!

An intresting fact I just noticed is that all 2 of Tim's SF losses this year have now come by a 6-3 3-6 6-2 loss :rolleyes: (Source: Useless Tennis Informaton) :p
The other one being in Zagreb to... Koubek, right?

robert6061
06-17-2006, 11:39 PM
A great match with plenty of excitement which was unfortunately marred by bad line calling and truly APPALLING umpiring. The crucial bad call not only came at a crucial stage of the third set but unfortunately changed the course of the match. While tim should have been able to put these officiating errors behind him,this is easier said than done. His success at Queens this week clearly has done so much for Tim's confidence and to have a possible place in the finals thrust from his grasp by dreadful officiating would grate on any player,no matter how experienced they are. Still all credit to Lleyton,he got the job done.
The final should be a cracker....memories of their classic (and contravertial) battles at the US Open and the recent Las Vegas final will be very fresh in the mids of both Hewitt and Blake.

musefanatic
06-17-2006, 11:41 PM
I find it such a shame that Tim let the calls get to him so badly. There was some blatant idiotic ones but as was said, he is professional enough to cope with these situations. It reminded me of the Williams/sprem match at Wimbie when the tie break was counted wrongly but that was even more extreme. I just feel for Tim that he had to be subjected to so many wrong calls and probably could have won the match from 4-2 up but that's life. If it had been Hewitt I doubt only Hewitt fans would've seen it as a huge problem.

Well done to Llyeton anway, played well and good luck against Blake tomorrow :)

Corey Feldman
06-18-2006, 12:01 AM
The other one being in Zagreb to... Koubek, right?correct..
the main difference this time, thankfully, is that Tim is not injured.... in that match v Koubek he hurt his back during the match.
There was some blatant idiotic ones but as was saidYep, and all week i have seen so many terrible calls or missed calls in these matches, at times even when the ball is about a foot out its not been called :lol:
i suggest next year they get hawk-eye or employ new linesmen.... preferebly not blind.

wally1
06-18-2006, 12:20 AM
I thought that it was interesting that during some of those close calls Tim was able to look into the BBC commentry box and get thumbs-up confirmation from Chris Bailey who had checked hawk-eye. So Tim knew for sure that the umpire was wrong, which is quite unusual, and probably added to his frustration instead of just accepting the call.
Tough luck for Tim, he put up a good fight, but he should've dealt with the frustration better.I think Chris Bailey said it was John Lloyd who signalled to Henman he'd had a bad call. In any case what did the idiot think he was trying to achieve? It was bound to only increase Henman's frustration.

Horatio Caine
06-18-2006, 12:24 AM
A great match with plenty of excitement which was unfortunately marred by bad line calling and truly APPALLING umpiring. The crucial bad call not only came at a crucial stage of the third set but unfortunately changed the course of the match. While tim should have been able to put these officiating errors behind him,this is easier said than done. His success at Queens this week clearly has done so much for Tim's confidence and to have a possible place in the finals thrust from his grasp by dreadful officiating would grate on any player,no matter how experienced they are. Still all credit to Lleyton,he got the job done.
The final should be a cracker....memories of their classic (and contravertial) battles at the US Open and the recent Las Vegas final will be very fresh in the mids of both Hewitt and Blake.

I agree...whilst it looked like he might have held serve for 3/1...there were, however, no guarantees that he would have won from there :shrug: As it was...a combination of Hewitt's increased level that game and a customary dip in form from Tim led him to go 0/40 down in the first place

musefanatic
06-18-2006, 12:24 AM
I think Chris Bailey said it was John Lloyd who signalled to Henman he'd had a bad call. In any case what did the idiot think he was trying to achieve? It was bound to only increase Henman's frustration.

I totally agree, like they said about coaches signalling to players that the umpire was right just so that the point doesn't stick in their mind anymore. Idiot Lloyd, relason why i always watch Eurosport.

About the linesmen/women, how are they selected? Do some of them travel like the umpires do?

Angle Queen
06-18-2006, 03:34 AM
Sorry I missed this one (no high speed connection to watch livestream)...

:hatoff: to Lleyton...and to Tim for such a good run. I have to think that he exceeded his own expectations.

Good Luck to Lleyton in the finals against Blake.

switz
06-18-2006, 03:53 AM
i continue to be disturbed by my growing level of support for Hewitt :scared: why do i need to be so damn patriotic lately :mad:

JeNn
06-18-2006, 03:58 AM
Lleyton :worship: