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Nadal/Federer assessment

marifline
06-17-2006, 01:59 PM
Federer lost four times to Nadal this year, and only against him : Nadal won
Dubai ( hard) 2-6 6-4 6-4
AMS Monte-Carlo (clay): 6-2 6-7(2) 6-3 7-6(5)
AMS Rome (clay) : 6-7 7-6(5) 6-4 2-6 7-6(5)
Roland Garros ( clay) : 1-6 6-1 6-4 7-6(4)

So Federer lost every single time he played Nadal this year, and of course it was only finals. More important he lost on hard court against Nadal for the first time.

As afr as Nadal is concerned, he has lost four times as well - but he began his season in Marseille on February where he lost his first match- He lost to :
Arnaud Clément in Marseille SF ( hard) : 6-2 3-6 5-7
James Blake in AMS Indian Wells SF ( hard) : 5-7 3-6
Carlos Moya in AMS Miami 2nd round ( hard) : 5-7 3-6
Lleyton Hewitt in Queen's QF : 3-6 6-3 ret.

So obvisouly he won every match on clay, first defeat when he was just recovering from his foot injurie, last having a shoulder injury.

Now, I find it very scaring...Nadal is a real beast and who can guess what would happen in a Nadal/Federer final in next USO or AO ? I seems obvious that Fed has now a Nadal complex and that Nadal has nope...
Grass appeared as the last Nadal-threat free kingdom of the tour but... this shoulder injury didn't let us see what could happen in Queen's so...Another thing..Wimbledon could be the only tournament where Nadal and Federer xould meet before the final..interesting... a shame he got that shoulder injuryLet's just see what happen next and hope Nadal will play Wimbledon so we can make a statement.

Billabong
06-17-2006, 02:02 PM
OMG as if we didn't have enough Nadal/Federer threads:eek: I think I'm going to implode now:eek:

TennisGrandSlam
06-17-2006, 02:04 PM
Federer lost four times to Nadal this year, and only against him : Nadal won
Dubai ( hard) 2-6 6-4 6-4
AMS Monte-Carlo (clay): 6-2 6-7(2) 6-3 7-6(5)
AMS Rome (clay) : 6-7 7-6(5) 6-4 2-6 7-6(5)
Roland Garros ( clay) : 1-6 6-1 6-4 7-6(4)

So Federer lost every single time he played Nadal this year, and of course it was only finals. More important he lost on hard court against Nadal for the first time.

As afr as Nadal is concerned, he has lost four times as well - but he began his season in Marseille on February where he lost his first match- He lost to :
Arnaud Clément in Marseille SF ( hard) : 6-2 3-6 5-7
James Blake in AMS Indian Wells SF ( hard) : 5-7 3-6
Carlos Moya in AMS Miami 2nd round ( hard) : 5-7 3-6
Lleyton Hewitt in Queen's QF : 3-6 6-3 ret.

So obvisouly he won every match on clay, first defeat when he was just recovering from his foot injurie, last having a shoulder injury.

Now, I find it very scaring...Nadal is a real beast and who can guess what would happen in a Nadal/Federer final in next USO or AO ? I seems obvious that Fed has now a Nadal complex and that Nadal has nope...
Grass appeared as the last Nadal-threat free kingdom of the tour but... this shoulder injury didn't let us see what could happen in Queen's so...Another thing..Wimbledon could be the only tournament where Nadal and Federer xould meet before the final..interesting... a shame he got that shoulder injuryLet's just see what happen next and hope Nadal will play Wimbledon so we can make a statement.


Not 1st time, don't forget Miami AMS 2004

jacobhiggins
06-17-2006, 03:09 PM
The same thing was said last year and Federer still was clearly number 1. Federer is just too good for Nadal.

eddie_hyden
06-17-2006, 03:15 PM
should i pour oil to the fire? ...ermm.. maybe not this time.

Scotso
06-17-2006, 03:39 PM
The same thing was said last year and Federer still was clearly number 1. Federer is just too good for Nadal.

uh... 1-6?

stebs
06-17-2006, 03:56 PM
Well yes of course Nadal is great but if you look at it is this way.

Nadal is still behind Roger in the race as Roger has won a slam, two AMS events, an optional, and been runner up in an optional and two AMS events.

Nadal has won pretty much the same but with an added optional and without the runner up positions in the AMS's off clay.

Roger has had a better year than Rafa so far and we have had the slower half of the year. The next half of the year is grass and the faster hard courts, I don't think Roger has too much to worry about. If he stays fit he should be fine.

jacobhiggins
06-17-2006, 06:34 PM
uh... 1-6?


There head to head record is lopsided but Federer is the better and more complete player. Hence all the titles on the different surfaces. Nadal is not good enough of a player to win on other surfaces like Federer is and last year and the rankings prove that!

jenanun
06-17-2006, 06:59 PM
There head to head record is lopsided but Federer is the better and more complete player. Hence all the titles on the different surfaces. Nadal is not good enough of a player to win on other surfaces like Federer is and last year and the rankings prove that!

yes federer is a more complete than nadal now...

but god knows how nadal will be like in 5 years time?

i mean, federer was not even half as good as nadal when he was 20....

but whether nadal will be another hewitt as many people has suggested, still remained to be seen

jacobhiggins
06-17-2006, 07:04 PM
Well even at 20 Federer had a more complete game and more shots then Nadal does. That's the big difference between the two. Federer ALWAYS had a complete all court all surface game, it was only his consistency that was suspect when he was younger!

That's why the whole age debate doesn't make any sense to me. Federer was very unsual and got good late unlike Nadal who got good very early in his career. That doesn't mean Nadal will improve like Federer did though. He never had the game Federer did or does.

jenanun
06-17-2006, 07:41 PM
Well even at 20 Federer had a more complete game and more shots then Nadal does. That's the big difference between the two. Federer ALWAYS had a complete all court all surface game, it was only his consistency that was suspect when he was younger!

That's why the whole age debate doesn't make any sense to me. Federer was very unsual and got good late unlike Nadal who got good very early in his career. That doesn't mean Nadal will improve like Federer did though. He never had the game Federer did or does.

i didnt say federer had a less complete game than nadal when he was 20

but base on all the results, he really wasnt as good as nadal....

nevermind, my comparison is not appropraite... we cannot compare a 20 years old nadal and a 20 years old federer, maybe a 20 years old federer can beat nadal but not a 25 years old federer, who knows?
(and I am not being sarcastic..... )

azmad_88
06-18-2006, 01:54 AM
Not 1st time, don't forget Miami AMS 2004

actually nadal beat federer first at AMS 2003 Miami

jacobhiggins
06-18-2006, 05:34 AM
i didnt say federer had a less complete game than nadal when he was 20

but base on all the results, he really wasnt as good as nadal....

nevermind, my comparison is not appropraite... we cannot compare a 20 years old nadal and a 20 years old federer, maybe a 20 years old federer can beat nadal but not a 25 years old federer, who knows?
(and I am not being sarcastic..... )

He wasn't as good as Nadal based on results but he was not a one trick pony like Nadal has been. Federer was good on hardcourts, grass, and clay, he just was not mentally there yet. There is a big difference between the young Federer and the young Nadal!