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So Andy Murrray loses

dmit424
06-14-2006, 11:59 AM
Again. To Tipsarevic. I am telling you, I think that the "big 3" young "phenoms" of Gasquet, Monfil, and Murray are all overrated (they will win probably 1 major title in total), but ESPECIALLY this man. He has a game suited for grass, so who the he11 did he just lose to?

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 12:29 PM
He is not improving at all, he is actually getting worse it seems. He is acting like a total asshole on court each match, and just putting in performances far worse than last year. All the other young players are improving month by month in most cases.

He really needs to sort out his tactics, attitude, coaching situation, fitness and lifestyle. He has serious issues to deal with, if he doesnt solve these he is going to stay the same for a few years and be no better.

He does need someone to tell him what an asshole he is being and what a terrible situation he is in (and whats need to be done, and how), and lay it to him straight. He is the kind of guy who I doubt would take any notice of someone who will pussy foot around.

dmit424
06-14-2006, 12:31 PM
He is not improving at all, he is actually getting worse it seems. He is acting like a total asshole on court each match, and just putting in performances far worse than last year. All the other young players are improving month by month in most cases.

He really needs to sort out his tactics, attitude, coaching situation, fitness and lifestyle. He has serious issues to deal with, if he doesnt solve these he is going to stay the same for a few years and be no better.

I didn't watch. I just know he's constantly running out of stamina? :confused:

But I dunno what happened this match.

Jaap
06-14-2006, 12:33 PM
He is not suited to grass :rolleyes:

His favourite surface is probably indoor carpet where he has won a title and got to a final. After that its hard courts.

He is crap on clay and not so good on grass.

Duleml
06-14-2006, 12:36 PM
Bravo Tipsa, great play !

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 12:36 PM
I havent really seen much either, but noticed a few things.

Well he is just hitting the ball over the net like a poof , he is barely hitting with any intentions. And he is walking around the court, instead of running to the ball and looking alert and ready. It looks as if he is putting no effort in what so ever (he is constantly causing scenes on court too, shouting at cameramen and swearing all the time). I know players like safin look like this, they arent putting any effort in (but safin seems to generate effortless power because of his timing). Whereas murray is hitting like a pansy.

gooner88
06-14-2006, 12:39 PM
I havent really seen much either, but noticed a few things.

Well he is just hitting the ball over the net like a poof , he is barely hitting with any intentions. And he is walking around the court, instead of running to the ball and looking alert and ready. It looks as if he is putting no effort in what so ever (he is constantly causing scenes on court too, shouting at cameramen and swearing all the time). I know players like safin look like this, they arent putting any effort in (but safin seems to generate effortless power because of his timing). Whereas murray is hitting like a pansy.

:lol: Yep that just about sums it up.

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 12:40 PM
:lol: Yep that just about sums it up.

I am sure there are "many" others, but those were just some things I noticed after watching a few games :devil: Hopefully someone else who has been watching him recently can outline.

dmit424
06-14-2006, 12:42 PM
All the tamper tantrums is a maturity thing, though. That will go away. Federer was like this, too.

Duleml
06-14-2006, 12:45 PM
Well Tipsa was #1 junior and won AO junior, but he's more into dating models, pop singers then playing tennis, maybe this win can wake him up, cause he's better then being ranked #104! Way better...

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 12:49 PM
All the tamper tantrums is a maturity thing, though. That will go away. Federer was like this, too.

Somehow, I think this guy murray will be an exception. I really cant see him changing his attitude to being like federer. Its not just the temper tantrums though, its the way her interacts with the officials, press, etc. Its more of an attitude problem I would guess, than an anger/temper problem.

SloKid
06-14-2006, 12:54 PM
Janko :banana:

Saumon
06-14-2006, 01:18 PM
Janko! :drool: err I mean :yeah: ! :p

Coriafan
06-14-2006, 01:51 PM
Janko :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

*Ljubica*
06-14-2006, 02:10 PM
Murray was just appalling out there yesterday and today. If he wasn't swearing and mumbling, he was moaning about the courtside photographers :rolleyes: , whingeing at the Umpire and officials, and flouncing about like a 2-year-old throwing a tantrum :devil:

And I'm sorry - I don't accept this - "he's only young and he will mature" argument. Djokovic is "only young" and always acts with class and respect on court, and Nadal won a Grand Slam while still a teenager. Some people are still immature arse-clowns when they reach 30 - and sadly I feel Murray is one of them. And I agree with Joe that he needs a coach or someone in his life that will really "tell it to him straight" and make him grow up.

Well done to Tipsarevic - he played well and kept his concentration :bigclap:

Fee
06-14-2006, 02:14 PM
He is not suited to grass :rolleyes:

His favourite surface is probably indoor carpet where he has won a title and got to a final. After that its hard courts.

He is crap on clay and not so good on grass.

Murray won his title in San Jose. That's indoor hard, not carpet. :)

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 02:16 PM
Murray was just appalling out there yesterday and today. If he wasn't swearing and mumbling, he was moaning about the courtside photographers :rolleyes: , whingeing at the Umpire and officials, and flouncing about like a 2-year-old throwing a tantrum :devil:

And I'm sorry - I don't accept this - "he's only young and he will mature" argument. Djokovic is "only young" and always acts with class and respect on court, and Nadal won a Grand Slam while still a teenager. Some people are still immature arse-clowns when they reach 30 - and sadly I feel Murray is one of them. And I agree with Joe that he needs a coach or someone in his life that will really "tell it to him straight" and make him grow up.

Well done to Tipsarevic - he played well and kept his concentration :bigclap:

Oh it was the photographers he abused too? Lucky I wasnt there as one, I would have probably reacted and been banned from all the tournaments :devil: What exactly did he say to the photographers?

Grofica
06-14-2006, 02:21 PM
Oh it was the photographers he abused too? Lucky I wasnt there as one, I would have probably reacted and been banned from all the tournaments :devil: What exactly did he say to the photographers?


I think he yielded at them to stop taking pictures of him because the noise of camera apparently distract him!!!! :scratch: :scratch:

I don't think he did that today, though.

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 02:24 PM
I think he yielded at them to stop taking pictures of him because the nois of camera apparently distract him!!!! :scratch: :scratch:

I don't think he did that today, though.

What a joke! The photographers arent even that close at queens, tournaments like surbiton you are sitting at the net and the players dont even mind. Hopefully they returned the favour with using the 8fps mode, and blasting him down :D

Although I doubt I would waste any frames taking photos of his ugly face, best to keep the clean memory card free of horror stories.

Grofica
06-14-2006, 02:26 PM
What a joke! The photographers arent even that close at queens, tournaments like surbiton you are sitting at the net and the players dont even mind. Hopefully they returned the favour with using the 8fps mode, and blasting him down :D

Although I doubt I would waste any frames taking photos of his ugly face, best to keep the clean memory card free of horror stories.

All in all umpair didn't like his attitude towards photographers!!!

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 02:27 PM
What an idiot :rolleyes:

He really needs to pull his socks up and put in some work and generally sort out his tennis life.

My prediction of Henman being Brit #1 at the end of the year doesn't look so stupid afterall :lol:

*Ljubica*
06-14-2006, 02:37 PM
He didn't actually verbally complain about the photographers today, - but when he missed that easy drop shot and bashed the top of the net with his racquet :rolleyes: he glared from the photographers to the Umpire and back again as if to say "It was THEIR fault!" He just reminds me so much of a very spoilt, unpleasant brat in Primary School.

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 02:45 PM
He just reminds me so much of a very spoilt, unpleasant brat in Primary School.

Last year he was a fairly controversial character and I'd think this year he is losing even more support here...it is hard to root for a player like him. Sad to say it really - and he is playing for us! :eek:

Maybe a trip back down to challenger level might do him some good...it isn't as if he will fall too far down the rankings :bolt:

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 03:55 PM
Last year he was a fairly controversial character and I'd think this year he is losing even more support here...it is hard to root for a player like him. Sad to say it really - and he is playing for us! :eek:

Maybe a trip back down to challenger level might do him some good...it isn't as if he will fall too far down the rankings :bolt:

Nice to see you have seen the light jez, he has lost alot of fans recently. After his comments about england, and how he would wear a paraguay shirt; he has seemed to have a huge increase in people disliking him. How he expects to play in the GBR side, is beyond me after comments like that.

revolution
06-14-2006, 04:24 PM
He is going to be a wasted talent unless he sorts himself out ASAP- also needs to take a leaf out of the top two players for good personality on court and also good sportmanship.

*Ljubica*
06-14-2006, 04:25 PM
Nice to see you have seen the light jez, he has lost alot of fans recently. After his comments about england, and how he would wear a paraguay shirt; he has seemed to have a huge increase in people disliking him. How he expects to play in the GBR side, is beyond me after comments like that.
:haha: Did he really say that? Just a typical Scotsman then - they would all rather die than support England in anything. When I lived there my usual answer was that if they really hated us that much they could become completely independant and survive without the taxes paid into the system by English workers - they never had an answer for that :angel: Ooops - was that too political!? And I still love you really Adam and Mikey :hug:

gooner88
06-14-2006, 04:29 PM
:haha: Did he really say that? Just a typical Scotsman then - they would all rather die than support England in anything. When I lived there my usual answer was that if they really hated us that much they would become completely independant and survive without the taxes paid into the system by English workers - they ever had an answer for that :angel: Ooops - was that too political!? And I stll love you really Adam and Mikey :hug:

:lol:
At least Gordon Brown has realised the worth of the English by wishing the England team to do well in the WC and by supporting a possible bid for England to host the 2018 WC. Then again he may be doing all this to get in the good books of the English public before becoming Prime Minister. :devil:

*Ljubica*
06-14-2006, 04:31 PM
:lol:
At least Gordon Brown has realised the worth of the English by wishing the England team to do well in the WC and by supporting a possible bid for England to host the 2018 WC. Then again he may be doing all this to get in the good books of the English public before becoming Prime Minister. :devil:
It'll take more than that to put him in my good books!!

gooner88
06-14-2006, 04:32 PM
It'll take more than that to put him in my good books!!

:lol:
That's enough political talk on a tennis board!!!

*Ljubica*
06-14-2006, 04:34 PM
:lol:
That's enough political talk on a tennis board!!!
OK - trouble is - when the subject is Andy Murray I'm not sure there is much tennis involved :angel:

revolution
06-14-2006, 04:43 PM
It'll take more than that to put him in my good books!!

The pain of our Celt cousins is one of the reasons winning the World Cup would be so sweet.

Raquel
06-14-2006, 04:45 PM
Well he is just hitting the ball over the net like a poof
What is this? 1972? ;)

Andy's in a sophomore slump big time. San Jose aside, he's struggled a lot. And being coachless certainly isn't doing him any favours. He can play a lot better than this.

Raquel
06-14-2006, 04:50 PM
How he expects to play in the GBR side, is beyond me after comments like that.
He's still British. And he'll be selected. That's how he will play in the GBR side. Let's face it, who else would make the team? Parmar, Bogdanovic, Lee may get the odd rubber but they are mainly bench warmers who have all achieved less in years on the tour than Andy has in 1 year. Along with Greg, he's really the only genuine chance to win matches at Davis Cup level.

Raquel
06-14-2006, 04:55 PM
When I lived there my usual answer was that if they really hated us that much they could become completely independant and survive without the taxes paid into the system by English workers - they never had an answer for that
I think they have tried for total independence to make their own decisions but a lot of it seems to be out of their hands. Things like Tony Blair going into Iraq and taking a lot of Scottish soldiers - I don't think they had much choice, whereas if Scotland was independent they could have decided themselves on those kind of issues. For some reason Scotland has it's own parliament but things like the war, Tony Blair still rules everyone whether we want him to or not.

Raquel
06-14-2006, 05:01 PM
The pain of our Celt cousins is one of the reasons winning the World Cup would be so sweet.
Sadist! :p

Winning the World Cup? Do you honestly think England will? I think England has some great players but realistically, I don't know if they can go all the way. So many good teams it's hard to know who can win it though.

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 05:47 PM
OK - trouble is - when the subject is Andy Murray I'm not sure there is much tennis involved :angel:

:haha: Well well rosie, I think you are probably right :angel:

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 05:50 PM
:haha: Did he really say that? Just a typical Scotsman then - they would all rather die than support England in anything. When I lived there my usual answer was that if they really hated us that much they could become completely independant and survive without the taxes paid into the system by English workers - they never had an answer for that :angel: Ooops - was that too political!? And I still love you really Adam and Mikey :hug:

Yeah, I posted this in another thread and likened him to adee gee! He would rather see england fail than scotland win :lol: But andy is adee's role model :devil: Its lucky they shipped him off to spain instead of england.

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 05:53 PM
OK - trouble is - when the subject is Andy Murray I'm not sure there is much tennis involved :angel:

I'm sure Peter Colt could have bagelled him today :tape:

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 05:54 PM
I'm sure Peter Colt could have bagelled him today :tape:

Who is that :eek: Damn, I havent a clue :lol:

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 05:54 PM
He's still British. And he'll be selected.

Interesting thing is he's scheduled to play Newport straight after Wimbledon...either you can read that as extra practice for DC or an early get-away to his favourite country/part of the tennis season :shrug:

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 05:55 PM
Who is that :eek: Damn, I havent a clue :lol:

"Wimbledon" - the only Brit to have won it in recent years :haha: :haha:

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 05:57 PM
Interesting thing is he's scheduled to play Newport straight after Wimbledon...either you can read that as extra practice for DC or an early get-away to his favourite country/part of the tennis season :shrug:

I doubt its a practice, could he handle playing that often before DC? I suppose though considering his recent form, he isnt going to go deep and become fatigued.

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 06:00 PM
I doubt its a practice, could he handle playing that often before DC? I suppose though considering his recent form, he isnt going to go deep and become fatigued.

The draw is the worst I have seen since the Vietnam field last year :tape:

Greg #2 and Murray #3. Ginepri is #1 :haha: :haha:

They might as well ship the trophy over to Greg because I can't see him losing to many of that field unless he is unfit.

Scotso
06-14-2006, 06:03 PM
Go Novak :D

Dashers
06-14-2006, 06:19 PM
All the Murray bashing is becoming a bit boring now. I think it is as simple as this...

He was overhyped by people when he broke through and now he is overcriticised for not storming through events. Probably by the same people.

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 06:21 PM
He was overhyped by people when he broke through and now he is overcriticised for not storming through events. Probably by the same people.

I wouldn't say that as such.

I had respect for him but it has dwindled over the last 3-4 weeks. His attitude on court annoys me more everytime I see it, he in ungracious in defeat, lazy and arrogant.

I don't recall him being this bad before...probably because Petchey wouldn't stand for it.

He really needs to sort himself out. There is not much for anyone to like right now...tennis or otherwise.

Raquel
06-14-2006, 06:22 PM
Go Novak :D
It was Janko ;)

joeb_uk
06-14-2006, 06:23 PM
I wouldn't say that as such.

I had respect for him but it has dwindled over the last 3-4 weeks. His attitude on court annoys me more everytime I see it, he in ungracious in defeat, lazy and arrogant.

I don't recall him being this bad before...probably because Petchey wouldn't stand for it.

He really needs to sort himself out. There is not much for anyone to like right now...tennis or otherwise.

I think the attitude is the main problem, not his level of play or results. You are definately right on that jez, and when people act like he does you are going to get bashed. Sure if he had the right attitude and wasnt achieving, there wouldnt be that "much" bashing, if any.

savesthedizzle
06-14-2006, 06:23 PM
It was Janko ;)

Indeed it was, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching him on Court 1 this afternoon. :drool: :lol:

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 06:27 PM
Indeed it was, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching him on Court 1 this afternoon. :drool: :lol:

I was glad I couldn't watch it :lol:

Well done to Janko though...he couldn't have defeated a nicer person :yeah: :lol:

savesthedizzle
06-14-2006, 06:30 PM
I was glad I couldn't watch it :lol:

Well done to Janko though...he couldn't have defeated a nicer person :yeah: :lol:

:rolls:

It was too bad he lost to Ginepri when I got to see him :( Boo to that.

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 06:42 PM
:rolls:

It was too bad he lost to Ginepri when I got to see him :( Boo to that.

You can't win all the time ;) :lol:

dmit424
06-14-2006, 06:53 PM
Why does no one like Ginepri? I mean, I don't either, but I'm just wondering what kind of disease I've caught?

savesthedizzle
06-14-2006, 07:54 PM
Why does no one like Ginepri? I mean, I don't either, but I'm just wondering what kind of disease I've caught?

:lol: I'm not sure why no one else does, he just doesn't really appeal to me. I'm kind of indifferent towards him.

Although, in today's match one rather nice gesture was that Janko was lying on the ground after falling in a way that kind of bothered a previous injury and it was at the end of a game and Ginepri walked all the way over to Janko to see if he was okay, rather than go to his chair and they shared a few words and kind of laughed together and walked to the chairs together. I wouldn't have really expected that. :shrug:

dmit424
06-14-2006, 08:03 PM
:lol: I'm not sure why no one else does, he just doesn't really appeal to me. I'm kind of indifferent towards him.

Although, in today's match one rather nice gesture was that Janko was lying on the ground after falling in a way that kind of bothered a previous injury and it was at the end of a game and Ginepri walked all the way over to Janko to see if he was okay, rather than go to his chair and they shared a few words and kind of laughed together and walked to the chairs together. I wouldn't have really expected that. :shrug:

Yeah, he's a nice fellow. I just think that for me, it's a combination of a few different factors that makes him un-appealing. First, his game. He's the type of guy that does almost everything pretty well, but nothing great, and he doesn't have a "robust" personality (Hewitt, Nadal, Roddick), ultra-quick wheels (Nadal, Hewitt), or an auru of royalty (Federer) to make up for it.

Also, I remember at the U.S. Open last year, he was getting through those long matches, and they were doing the on-court interviews with him afterwards and he was kind of just pushing his long hair back and kind of speaking slowly as if he was a dying dog... There was no positive emotion, and in fact, I think he was trying to draw too much attention to himself by playing the "marathon warrior" role, which is why the crowd wasn't nearly as behind him as it was rooting for Blake and Agassi. Those two also had some tough matches, but afterwards, you basically saw them wear their heart on their sleeves and everyone felt their joy... While Ginepri just acted and spoke as if he was just doing his job and was miserable. I think that's the BIGGEST thing. He doesn't seem to enjoy playing (I'm sure he does, though).

savesthedizzle
06-14-2006, 08:07 PM
Yeah, he's a nice fellow. I just think that for me, it's a combination of a few different factors that makes him un-appealing. First, his game. He's the type of guy that does almost everything pretty well, but nothing great, and he doesn't have a "robust" personality (Hewitt, Nadal, Roddick), ultra-quick wheels (Nadal, Hewitt), or an auru of royalty (Federer) to make up for it.

Also, I remember at the U.S. Open last year, he was getting through those long matches, and they were doing the on-court interviews with him afterwards and he was kind of just pushing his long hair back and kind of speaking slowly as if he was a dying dog... There was no positive emotion, and in fact, I think he was trying to draw too much attention to himself by playing the "marathon warrior" role, which is why the crowd wasn't nearly as behind him as it was rooting for Blake and Agassi. Those two also had some tough matches, but afterwards, you basically saw them wear their heart on their sleeves and everyone felt their joy... While Ginepri just acted and spoke as if he was just doing his job and was miserable. I think that's the BIGGEST thing. He doesn't seem to enjoy playing (I'm sure he does, though).

I think his personality has a lot to do with it. At the match today people started getting behind Janko for no other reason besides that he was screaming at himself, talking to himself, screaming in general and he was just being very passionate and very interesting on the court. Ginepri was kind of just going about his business but he wasn't being very interesting... he didn't seem to get mad when he missed his shots, and people like that, they like to see that kind of passion. His lack of personality on and off the court is his downfall for a lot of people I think.

dmit424
06-14-2006, 08:24 PM
I think his personality has a lot to do with it. At the match today people started getting behind Janko for no other reason besides that he was screaming at himself, talking to himself, screaming in general and he was just being very passionate and very interesting on the court. Ginepri was kind of just going about his business but he wasn't being very interesting... he didn't seem to get mad when he missed his shots, and people like that, they like to see that kind of passion. His lack of personality on and off the court is his downfall for a lot of people I think.


Yep. But isn't it funny, you can just delete Ginepri's name from your post and put in "Federer" and it would also be true! Except that Federer is like... a king... and everyone knows it. It's like people are scared to boo him and he just has earned soooo much respect. But yeah. It's just interesting, because Federer also displays no emotion (relatively to most players) but his results just draw awe.

savesthedizzle
06-14-2006, 08:26 PM
Yep. But isn't it funny, you can just delete Ginepri's name from your post and put in "Federer" and it would also be true! Except that Federer is like... a king... and everyone knows it. It's like people are scared to boo him and he just has earned soooo much respect. But yeah. It's just interesting, because Federer also displays no emotion (relatively to most players) but his results just draw awe.


I've seen Roger show emotion on court. :) And when he gives interviews he makes his little jokes and shows some sort of personality. I wouldn't really compare the two in terms of personality at all. :lol: But to each their own.

dmit424
06-14-2006, 08:30 PM
I've seen Roger show emotion :) And when he gives interviews he makes his little jokes and shows some sort of personality. I wouldn't really compare the two in terms of personality at all. :lol: But to each their own.


No, you're right, actually. I was just thinking stricly on-court, where I still think they act somewhat similar (except Federer makes all these shots Ginepri couldn't make in a videogame). Off the court, certainly, Federer is way cooler. Come to think of it, off the court, Federer is even more expressive than Nadal, imo.

That's kind of funny, come to think of it. On the court, Nadal is like a gigantic bouncy ball, but he's kind of quiet off the court in his interviews, but Federer is quite entertaining off the court. Maybe it has to do with the level of English, as Nadal's blog was quite interesting, but I definetely see your point now.

And I should be shot because basically, I just converted an Andy Murray thread into a comparison between Roger and Rafa :confused:

Dashers
06-14-2006, 08:42 PM
I wouldn't say that as such.

I had respect for him but it has dwindled over the last 3-4 weeks. His attitude on court annoys me more everytime I see it, he in ungracious in defeat, lazy and arrogant.

I don't recall him being this bad before...probably because Petchey wouldn't stand for it.

He really needs to sort himself out. There is not much for anyone to like right now...tennis or otherwise.

You don't recall him being this bad before? To be fair to you, you perhaps never saw him coming through the juniors and futures. "Spoilt brat" then too! MacEnroe was a brat all his playing career. Don't see Andy changing at all. That's how he is. If people don't like it, I'm sure his view is "tough"! Single-mindedness, which is what I am sure is the quality he needs if he is to get to the top is what he has in abundance, for good or bad.

savesthedizzle
06-14-2006, 08:42 PM
No, you're right, actually. I was just thinking stricly on-court, where I still think they act somewhat similar (except Federer makes all these shots Ginepri couldn't make in a videogame). Off the court, certainly, Federer is way cooler. Come to think of it, off the court, Federer is even more expressive than Nadal, imo.

That's kind of funny, come to think of it. On the court, Nadal is like a gigantic bouncy ball, but he's kind of quiet off the court in his interviews, but Federer is quite entertaining off the court. Maybe it has to do with the level of English, as Nadal's blog was quite interesting, but I definetely see your point now.

And I should be shot because basically, I just converted an Andy Murray thread into a comparison between Roger and Rafa :confused:


All threads turn into Roger/Rafa threads. It's only a matter of time. :lol:

revolution
06-14-2006, 08:45 PM
federer rules and nadal is just a clay court dirtballer hu cnt play on a grass court dont insult roger he is GOD not that pig

uglyamerican
06-14-2006, 09:07 PM
It's not just a good idea, it's the law.


2. The probably of a thread on MTF becoming about Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal or both approaches 1 with respect to time (Mandoura’s Law)

Gulliver
06-14-2006, 09:22 PM
When did his mother sack Petchey? Interesting that there hasn't been a rush of coaches desperate to take on this foul mouthed brat and raise him to an even higher standard of mediocrity.

Pea
06-14-2006, 09:37 PM
Good day.:) Janko beating a smug like murray.:drool:

wolfcub
06-14-2006, 10:34 PM
I had decided to be patriotic and support Andy when he burst onto the scene....I am rapidly changing my mind! Unfortunately us Brits have enough of a thuggish reputation in the sportsworld without him taking onto the tennis courts as well! Whatever Tim has or hasn't achieved in his career - his oncourt behaviour in the main has been good...yeh I do remember a couple of incidents and some mutterings of naughty words...but Andy!

switz
06-14-2006, 11:43 PM
he needs to get into a some decent shape. Cramping after 3 not particular demanding sets is completely unacceptable for someone who is touted as a player of the future.

I find both Murray and Monfils quite confusing. One because he looks nothing like a professional athlete and the other because he has all the physical attritubes and plays like a male Antonella Serra-Zanetti a lot of the time.

wolfcub
06-15-2006, 12:01 AM
When did his mother sack Petchey? Interesting that there hasn't been a rush of coaches desperate to take on this foul mouthed brat and raise him to an even higher standard of mediocrity.

Ouch that's harsh, but true and I completely agree! Brat with attitude is digging a big hole for himself very early in his career - one has the vision of speedily evacuated locker rooms when he walks in...or that awful cessation of conversation that usually means you were the topic of of it! He really needs to sit down and take a long look at himself. There is a younger brother rising up the ranks? Interesting to see how he is.

amierin
06-15-2006, 12:44 AM
Again. To Tipsarevic. I am telling you, I think that the "big 3" young "phenoms" of Gasquet, Monfil, and Murray are all overrated (they will win probably 1 major title in total), but ESPECIALLY this man. He has a game suited for grass, so who the he11 did he just lose to?

Monfils aquitted himself well at the FO; Gasquet and Murray not so much. Of the three mentioned I think Monfils has improved the most.

JimmyV
06-15-2006, 12:54 AM
http://imgs.idnes.cz/tenis/A050831_MA_MURRAY_V.JPG

Godiva
06-15-2006, 01:00 AM
Monfils aquitted himself well at the FO; Gasquet and Murray not so much. Of the three mentioned I think Monfils has improved the most.


And will undoubtedly keep improving. As for Gasquet and Murray, give the kids a chance, every one has their own speed. Of course, if Muzza keeps keeling over at twenty three then we should worry. For now, he deserves some slack. He did win a title this year. How many players can say that?

Geez, I'm not even a Murray fan and I'm saying this. :angel:

oneandonlyhsn
06-15-2006, 01:11 AM
http://imgs.idnes.cz/tenis/A050831_MA_MURRAY_V.JPG

Oh gross, I just ate http://www.sosnovska-symposium.com/smilies/whack.gif