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fed-nadal: does it remind you of graf-seles?

megadeth
06-13-2006, 11:51 PM
graf used to dominate on tour just like federer did, but then seles came along with a different style of play who also grunted on every shot

graf became lost on what to do against her and the only place she felt safe against seles was on grass...

i hope there's no deranged fan out there that suddenly stabs rafa in the back...

switz
06-14-2006, 12:11 AM
there are similarities (both play left as well) but Seles was dominate against all her competition and it really can't be overlooked that Nadal's best result outside of the French is a 4th round at the Aus Open and aside from Dubai he has lost rather meekly to Clement, Blake and Moya.

I'm sure he'll improve on that quickly and go deep more regular but he still does have to at least go deep in a major outside of RG to start to say Federer won't be able to stay ahead of him.

Not at all making excuses for Federer or down playing Nadal's talent but the H2H is massively scewed by their 5 encounters on clay.

And yes i do know they are 1-1 on hard and Nadal could have won their only other encounter. His game is perfectly suited to challenging Federer, i'm just not sure yet whether it's suited to taking down the whole tour for the next 10 years given how much effort is required and his well established tendency to get injured.

who knows. it's all good for tennis though.

silverwhite
06-14-2006, 12:14 AM
And yes i do know they are 1-1 on hard and Nadal could have won their only other encounter. His game is perfectly suited to challenging Federer, i'm just not sure yet whether it's suited to taking down the whole tour for the next 10 years given how much effort is required and his well established tendency to get injured.

who knows. it's all good for tennis though.

It's 2-1 to Nadal, actually. (Miami 04, Dubai 06 - Miami 05) :p

oneandonlyhsn
06-14-2006, 12:59 AM
graf used to dominate on tour just like federer did, but then seles came along with a different style of play who also grunted on every shot

graf became lost on what to do against her and the only place she felt safe against seles was on grass...

i hope there's no deranged fan out there that suddenly stabs rafa in the back...

:tape:

MisterQ
06-14-2006, 01:02 AM
There are certainly some similarities. But perhaps the most interesting thing about the Fed-Nadal situation is that it doesn't particularly remind me of something in the past. It's quite unusual and I can't wait to see how it evolves.

Corey Feldman
06-14-2006, 01:08 AM
No..
because Seles was a proven winner in 3 of the slams regularly..
Rafa is not there, yet

Mimi
06-14-2006, 04:18 AM
yes :wavey:

Graf and Roger = calm on court
Seles and Rafa = grunt and great fighting spirit
Graf and Roger : 4-5 years older than Seles and Nadal

you are not alone, i have really came to the thought about the back stabbling :scared:

but i have to say, Seles is much better than Nadal at the moment, she almost won most of the titles before stabbilng (except wimby), oh Seles, i miss her so much :hysteric: :crying2: :sobbing:

robrulz5
06-14-2006, 04:25 AM
I doubt Rafa will get stabbed in the back. The security is too high now for something like that to happen.

Rafa will have to wait a few years to have a Graf-Seles type rivalry. I think it's only a matter of time before he adapts his game to different surfaces.

*Viva Chile*
06-14-2006, 04:28 AM
good comparision IMO

Saturn66
06-14-2006, 04:45 AM
Know what? I was thinking about it just a few nights ago.

Yes, there are similarities.

Seles was just more dominant during her prime.

CmonAussie
06-14-2006, 05:14 AM
graf used to dominate on tour just like federer did, but then seles came along with a different style of play who also grunted on every shot

graf became lost on what to do against her and the only place she felt safe against seles was on grass...

i hope there's no deranged fan out there that suddenly stabs rafa in the back...
:wavey:
Good post mate :cool: .
Well the Graf vs Seles & Fed vs Rafa~ rivalries are probably as similiar as they can be, considering we`re comparing apples & oranges ;) ie.Men & Women aren`t exactly the same species on a tennis court :eek: .Oops I`ll be accused of sexism :devil: pretty soon.

*Also the division among fans is intriguing, so many people think you have to be either a Fed fan or a Rafa fan, as if they were mutually exclusive :sad: . Why can`t we be fans of both of them & appreciate that a duopoly is better than a monopoly~ so they need each other ;) .The Seles stabbing was such a tragedy because it changed the course of women`s tennis, we`ll never know what Monica could have achieved if it hadn`t happened, so Graf`s record number of Slams unfortunately has an asterix next to it*.

Let`s hope Fed & Rafa keep doing what there doing :worship: & nothing tarnishes their rivalry in the way the Graf v Seles rivalry was :sad: ..

nkhera1
06-14-2006, 05:40 AM
Australian Open will suit Nadal but I think the US Open may be too fast for him.

TennisGrandSlam
06-14-2006, 06:47 AM
graf used to dominate on tour just like federer did, but then seles came along with a different style of play who also grunted on every shot

graf became lost on what to do against her and the only place she felt safe against seles was on grass...

i hope there's no deranged fan out there that suddenly stabs rafa in the back...


Of course:


Federer-Graf :

Single Backhanded, Dominant players (Roger won 3 Slam except RG, Graf won all 4 Major)


Nadal-Seles :

Double Backhanded, Lefty, Heavy Top Spin and won their 1st Slam in RG.


1991, 1992

Australian Open, Roland Garros, US Open -> Seles
Graf only kept Wimbledon

Rafa will challenge Roger for Australian Open and US Open

Personally, Rafa may win Australian Open but US Open!

Allez
06-14-2006, 06:57 AM
Actually that is an interesting comparison. Federer and Graf were on cruise control until Rafa and Seles came along. I think overall Graf has a leading H2H against Seles, so let's hope Federer can turn it around as well.

TennisGrandSlam
06-14-2006, 07:01 AM
Chinese version : Camparsion between Fed-Graf and Rafa-Seles

http://post.baidu.com/f?ct=335675392&tn=baiduPostBrowser&sc=752088568&z=95840210&pn=0&rn=50&lm=0&word=%B7%D1%B5%C2%C0%D5#752088568 (posted in 2006-4-24 )



大家不觉得纳达尔很像当年的塞莱斯吗?
当年格拉芙像现在的奶牛一样统治网坛的时候,几乎完全就是处于独孤求败的地位,可就在她刚要达到职业生涯的 最高颠峰的时候,却杀出了一个塞莱斯。塞莱斯是左手握拍,双手反拍,属于明显的底线型打法,她有着令人目瞪 口呆的移动速度,跑不死的惊人体力和强烈无比的正手上旋技术,纳达尔的打法跟她简直就是一个模子里刻出来的 。塞莱斯在15岁就杀如法网女单四强,16岁就在法网问鼎冠军,等到了1992——1993年,她变得更加 可怕,格拉芙每次跟她交手,尤其是在土场,塞莱斯都能完美的运用她那可怕的正手上旋和移动能力压迫格拉芙的 单反,结果在这两年格拉芙除了守住了温网这一领地外,其余三大满贯全被塞莱斯夺走,世界第一的排名也为此而 中断了两年。最后竟然还是因为格拉芙的一位疯狂球迷的疯狂举动,格拉芙才得以重回女皇的宝座。所以说,我现 在真的很为奶牛担心,他要想在没有疯狂球迷的“帮助”的情况下守主自己的霸主地位,还要比现在 更加努力才行

MariaV
06-14-2006, 08:28 AM
I doubt Rafa will get stabbed in the back. The security is too high now for something like that to happen.

You know with those people getting to the court past all the security in Pau and Barcelona lately I am wondering. These incidents remind me of the Monica stabbing every time and I can really understand that players are uncomfortable with big crowds surronding them sometimes.

jacobhiggins
06-14-2006, 08:49 AM
:wavey:
Good post mate :cool: .
Well the Graf vs Seles & Fed vs Rafa~ rivalries are probably as similiar as they can be, considering we`re comparing apples & oranges ;) ie.Men & Women aren`t exactly the same species on a tennis court :eek: .Oops I`ll be accused of sexism :devil: pretty soon.

*Also the division among fans is intriguing, so many people think you have to be either a Fed fan or a Rafa fan, as if they were mutually exclusive :sad: . Why can`t we be fans of both of them & appreciate that a duopoly is better than a monopoly~ so they need each other ;) .The Seles stabbing was such a tragedy because it changed the course of women`s tennis, we`ll never know what Monica could have achieved if it hadn`t happened, so Graf`s record number of Slams unfortunately has an asterix next to it*.

Let`s hope Fed & Rafa keep doing what there doing :worship: & nothing tarnishes their rivalry in the way the Graf v Seles rivalry was :sad: ..

Actually I dissagree with you, SELES HAS AN ASTERIX NEXT TO HER NAME, not Graf!

~Jin~
06-14-2006, 10:19 AM
Similar indeed!

Mimi
06-14-2006, 10:52 AM
oh god, how come they call rafa 奶牛, female cow :mad: :mad:
Chinese version : Camparsion between Fed-Graf and Rafa-Seles

http://post.baidu.com/f?ct=335675392&tn=baiduPostBrowser&sc=752088568&z=95840210&pn=0&rn=50&lm=0&word=%B7%D1%B5%C2%C0%D5#752088568 (posted in 2006-4-24 )



大家不觉得纳达尔很像当年的塞莱斯吗?
当年格拉芙像现在的奶牛一样统治网坛的时候,几乎完全就是处于独孤求败的地位,可就在她刚要达到职业生涯的 最高颠峰的时候,却杀出了一个塞莱斯。塞莱斯是左手握拍,双手反拍,属于明显的底线型打法,她有着令人目瞪 口呆的移动速度,跑不死的惊人体力和强烈无比的正手上旋技术,纳达尔的打法跟她简直就是一个模子里刻出来的 。塞莱斯在15岁就杀如法网女单四强,16岁就在法网问鼎冠军,等到了1992——1993年,她变得更加 可怕,格拉芙每次跟她交手,尤其是在土场,塞莱斯都能完美的运用她那可怕的正手上旋和移动能力压迫格拉芙的 单反,结果在这两年格拉芙除了守住了温网这一领地外,其余三大满贯全被塞莱斯夺走,世界第一的排名也为此而 中断了两年。最后竟然还是因为格拉芙的一位疯狂球迷的疯狂举动,格拉芙才得以重回女皇的宝座。所以说,我现 在真的很为奶牛担心,他要想在没有疯狂球迷的“帮助”的情况下守主自己的霸主地位,还要比现在 更加努力才行

alfonsojose
06-14-2006, 03:56 PM
Seles was a threat everywhere. Nadal is still well behind her

alfonsojose
06-14-2006, 03:57 PM
oh god, how come they call rafa 奶牛, female cow :mad: :mad:
:tape:

TennisGrandSlam
06-14-2006, 04:08 PM
oh god, how come they call rafa 奶牛, female cow :mad: :mad:


I don't know! :o

jenanun
06-14-2006, 09:16 PM
the 'female cow' is referred to federer....
because he is swiss??

rafa, is a bull, not a cow....

almouchie
06-14-2006, 09:56 PM
I have the feeling Rafa will becom even more competitive on other surfaces as well
he went out in us open to a very hot blake
& he done well in Aussie open
grass remains to be seen
but this young man is hungry & the sky is the limits
their rivalry is good for tennis

Tennis Fool
06-15-2006, 12:33 AM
Actually that is an interesting comparison. Federer and Graf were on cruise control until Rafa and Seles came along.
Actually, Steffi started to lose to everybody after Arantxa beat her at RG in 1989.

Saturn66
06-15-2006, 04:03 AM
oh god, how come they call rafa 奶牛, female cow :mad: :mad:

:eek: :devil:

Mimi
06-15-2006, 04:19 AM
oh sorry, i read it wrongly, now i read it again, they are referring Roger as "奶牛" (cow with milk, sorry, don't know how to say, my bad english :o) and not rafa :p