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Mardy vs... rafa, what score?

FSRteam
06-13-2006, 12:01 PM
Ok I dared, but since mardy is seemingly winning quite easily I thought that I could make this thread already! :)

What do you think will be the score and who will the winner of that match???

joeb_uk
06-13-2006, 12:04 PM
Mardy managed to win surbiton last week, but he played piss poor for the majority of the week. He was totally unimpressive, in the 3-4 matches I saw him play. Rafa should crush this guy easily. If rafa plays fairly well, he should send fish home in two sets.

FSRteam
06-13-2006, 12:06 PM
I'm not that sure...

supersexynadal
06-13-2006, 12:09 PM
Well i dont knwo how good my mardy is on grass but im sure the surface suits him since hes american. Rafa didnt have time to prepare at all just like feli lost in the first round. I think hes gonna lose but i HOPE he wins. I dont care as long as he does wel in wimbledon. The atp shouldnt make a VERY LONG clay court season followed by a VERY short grass season. Its a big transition. Im not a big fan of grass but its totally unfair to the players who like faster surfaces.

Viken01
06-13-2006, 12:13 PM
i hope rafa wins

adee-gee
06-13-2006, 12:23 PM
Fish should win, Rafa's barely set foot on grass.

joeb_uk
06-13-2006, 12:30 PM
Fish should win, Rafa's barely set foot on grass.

Doesnt matter much, fish has been playing on grass for a week but he was dreadful. It was actually a disgrace that someone like fish managed to win surbiton last week. Rafas quality alone should be enough to produce a routine win, even considering he hasnt stepped onto grass so far.

I will be totally dissapointed and disgusted if nadal loses to fish, but I honestly cant see it happening.

tennis_freak67
06-13-2006, 12:34 PM
Mardy Fish 6-1 7-6

FSRteam
06-13-2006, 12:34 PM
Doesnt matter much, fish has been playing on grass for a week but he was dreadful. It was actually a disgrace that someone like fish managed to win surbiton last week. Rafas quality alone should be enough to produce a routine win, even considering he hasnt stepped onto grass so far.

I will be totally dissapointed and disgusted if nadal loses to fish, but I honestly cant see it happening.

Don't forget that fish made the final in halle in 2004 and is took a set from fed at wimby I think!

adee-gee
06-13-2006, 12:39 PM
Doesnt matter much, fish has been playing on grass for a week but he was dreadful. It was actually a disgrace that someone like fish managed to win surbiton last week. Rafas quality alone should be enough to produce a routine win, even considering he hasnt stepped onto grass so far.

I will be totally dissapointed and disgusted if nadal loses to fish, but I honestly cant see it happening.
Hmmm, I hope you're right but I'm still not convinced. Rafa is always going to struggle against a decent server on grass. Fish has served well today by the looks of it, and he's got a big serve. He can get cheap points on his serve, whereas Rafa will get very few. It's also extremely hard to adjust to grass instantly without even having had the chance to practice on it.

joeb_uk
06-13-2006, 12:39 PM
Don't forget that fish made the final in halle in 2004 and is took a set from fed at wimby I think!

Thats old news, irrelevant now. He is not that player of a few years ago. He is playing at challenger standard right now I would guess. I am not quite sure, if he will return to that form. He has major attitude problems on court too, so I dont think that will help him.

joeb_uk
06-13-2006, 12:42 PM
Hmmm, I hope you're right but I'm still not convinced. Rafa is always going to struggle against a decent server on grass. Fish has served well today by the looks of it, and he's got a big serve. He can get cheap points on his serve, whereas Rafa will get very few. It's also extremely hard to adjust to grass instantly without even having had the chance to practice on it.

You are right, he has a good serve, and thats all he showed at surbiton. He really offered nothing else, but that shouldnt be enough to beat a player like rafa. How is rafas return on grass anyway? Because holding serve shouldnt be a problem.

tennis_freak67
06-13-2006, 12:43 PM
Doesn`t Fish also have good volleys and will come in after first serve a lot? On the backhand Fish can get a lot of winners and flatten it out against Rafa.

adee-gee
06-13-2006, 12:43 PM
You are right, he has a good serve, and thats all he showed at surbiton. He really offered nothing else, but that shouldnt be enough to beat a player like rafa. How is rafas return on grass anyway? Because holding serve shouldnt be a problem.
Hmmm. It's not the greatest. He struggled big time on the grass last year against Waske and Muller who are both reasonable servers. I think given time it'll be good, but not having come straight from RG.

I think if Fish serves well he should win, I hope I'm wrong :awww:

joeb_uk
06-13-2006, 12:47 PM
Hmmm. It's not the greatest. He struggled big time on the grass last year against Waske and Muller who are both reasonable servers. I think given time it'll be good, but not having come straight from RG.

I think if Fish serves well he should win, I hope I'm wrong :awww:

Havent seen waske before, but I would guess muller is a better server than fish. If fish comes to the net alot though, he will get burnt. He volleyed very poorly last week, and rafa should rip him :D

PS I wouldnt read much into his match today, he is playing against non existent oposition in a very poor brit.

adee-gee
06-13-2006, 12:53 PM
Havent seen waske before, but I would guess muller is a better server than fish. If fish comes to the net alot though, he will get burnt. He volleyed very poorly last week, and rafa should rip him :D

PS I wouldnt read much into his match today, he is playing against non existent oposition in a very poor brit.
Yeah but Baker is Scottish, so we like him :p

I'd place Fish a better server than Muller when he's serving well. He hasn't done for a while, but I remember his 55 odd consecutive service holds in Cincy not long ago.

FSRteam
06-13-2006, 01:09 PM
waske has a very good serve indeed!

fish is no more what he was, you're right but I also think that he will beat nadal on grass!

joeb_uk
06-13-2006, 01:13 PM
Yeah but Baker is Scottish, so we like him :p

I'd place Fish a better server than Muller when he's serving well. He hasn't done for a while, but I remember his 55 odd consecutive service holds in Cincy not long ago.

Oh so if a player is a no hoper (and scottish) he is excused? I dont excuse anyone for being a no hoper :D Do you excuse andy murray for being such a tosser too?

Neverstopfightin
06-13-2006, 01:24 PM
If Nadal stops making stupid dropshots as he usually makes when he's facing break points then he will have chances against Mardy.

Last year against Waske the match was under his control with a set up but incomprehensibly he made two stupid dropshots and Waske broke him winning the second set and later Nadal was mentally tired in the third set.

I would also like that if Nadal wins the initial draw he chose beginning the match serving and not returning , because clay isn't grass and it's much more difficult to break and you are giving your opponent advantage . Last year on grass he kept choosing returing first when he won the draws , so unluckily i don't hope any change this year :smash:

adee-gee
06-13-2006, 01:28 PM
Oh so if a player is a no hoper (and scottish) he is excused? I dont excuse anyone for being a no hoper :D Do you excuse andy murray for being such a tosser too?
Murray is my hero :p

Aleksa's Laydee
06-13-2006, 02:07 PM
Fish should win, Rafa's barely set foot on grass.

:bowdown: Mardy all the way

Aleksa's Laydee
06-13-2006, 02:08 PM
Doesnt matter much, fish has been playing on grass for a week but he was dreadful. It was actually a disgrace that someone like fish managed to win surbiton last week. Rafas quality alone should be enough to produce a routine win, even considering he hasnt stepped onto grass so far.

I will be totally dissapointed and disgusted if nadal loses to fish, but I honestly cant see it happening.

Oooh please, get off your high horse...bloody hell, we know you dont like fish but you have to be so horribly rude about him :smash: :mad:

Deboogle!.
06-13-2006, 02:11 PM
Thats old news, irrelevant now. He is not that player of a few years ago. He is playing at challenger standard right now I would guess. I am not quite sure, if he will return to that form. He has major attitude problems on court too, so I dont think that will help him.Yeah, he didn't win an ATP title on his worst surface and play Rafa pretty tough in the 2nd set at IW or anything. He hasn't brought up his ranking over 200 spots since January or anything.

Mardy's game was MADE for grass. Huge serve, good volleys, good returns, aggressive baseliner, flat shots. I mean, he has the perfect game for grass and should be excited about this opportunity. Whether he can mentally hold it together, that's another story and that I'm not sure about.

joeb_uk
06-13-2006, 02:13 PM
Oooh please, get off your high horse...bloody hell, we know you dont like fish but you have to be so horribly rude about him :smash: :mad:

Hey there :wavey: I dont really dislike fish actually, so you are quite wrong. I really have no like or dislike towards him. If I didnt like him at all, there is no way I would have gone to any of his matches (when he was playing opponents I didnt like). I guess its hard for someone to understand (who are the kind that are stuck up his ass). Maybe when I can see more than your toenails, you may be able to understand :D

Midnight Express
06-13-2006, 02:17 PM
I am going against Rafa this tournament. This is a tough draw, he improved his serve as what I have seen in RG but still this is a grass and the odds will be to high not to go against him...Last year I did the same with Marat in Halle. This guy is ....is on my blacklist. Grass is weird to bet.

joeb_uk
06-13-2006, 02:17 PM
Murray is my hero :p

Got your trinidad shirt with dwight yorke on the back ready adee? :D Ready to roll?

TULY
06-13-2006, 02:28 PM
Mardy 76 46 62

Aleksa's Laydee
06-13-2006, 02:30 PM
Hey there :wavey: I dont really dislike fish actually, so you are quite wrong. I really have no like or dislike towards him. If I didnt like him at all, there is no way I would have gone to any of his matches (when he was playing opponents I didnt like). I guess its hard for someone to understand (who are the kind that are stuck up his ass). Maybe when I can see more than your toenails, you may be able to understand :D

Excuse me how am i stuck up his ass :rolleyes: I am a fan of his, just like Im a fan of Thomas Johansson among others so when someone is as rude about him as you have been i will stick up for him and say how i feel. Its not just you who has the right to say what they think. I dont care why you went to his matches oh and I am not wrong, if you dont dislike Mardy, you wouldn't have been so rude about him in an earlier post.

Merton
06-13-2006, 02:48 PM
Fish in 3. It is too much to ask Rafa to do anything here after the emotional and mental fatigue of defending his RG title. Of course, if Fish has a bad 1st serve percentage or one of his braincramps, it is another story.

Deboogle!.
06-13-2006, 02:49 PM
Of course, if Fish has a bad 1st serve percentage or one of his braincramps, it is another story.Well he has at least one if not both of those in almost every match he plays :lol:

Merton
06-13-2006, 02:49 PM
Not to mention the hilarity of a win of the Houston Champion against the French Open Champion. :D

tangerine_dream
06-13-2006, 02:50 PM
Mardy's game was MADE for grass. Huge serve, good volleys, good returns, aggressive baseliner, flat shots. I mean, he has the perfect game for grass and should be excited about this opportunity. Whether he can mentally hold it together, that's another story and that I'm not sure about.
I'd be very interested to see if Mardy can handle Rafa's heavy lefty topspin. It doesn't seem to hinder Andy or James any.

And I don't think Rafa will be able to deal with Mardy's serve on grass in the early games.

superandy88
06-13-2006, 02:50 PM
Fish will win 6-4 5-7 6-3!

Deboogle!.
06-13-2006, 02:54 PM
I'd be very interested to see if Mardy can handle Rafa's heavy lefty topspin. It doesn't seem to hinder Andy or James any.

And I don't think Rafa will be able to deal with Mardy's serve on grass in the early games.Well, and his topspin won't be nearly as effective on grass, especially at Queens which is, I believe, quicker than at wimby. Mardy, once he calmed down, played him pretty tough at IW and this surface is FAR better for his chances. So Mardy obviously has a fighter's chance.

In sheer terms of gamestyle and surface, Mardy's far and away above. However, many intangibles go to Rafa and those are often more important. so we will just have to see what happens tomorrow :)

stebs
06-13-2006, 05:03 PM
Rafa to win 7-5 7-6.

Corswandt
06-13-2006, 07:05 PM
How is rafas return on grass anyway? Because holding serve shouldnt be a problem.

I think Rafa will stand several kilometers behind the baseline to return serve.

jenanun
06-13-2006, 07:34 PM
rafa

6-4, 6-4

oneandonlyhsn
06-13-2006, 07:37 PM
Mardy 6-0, 6-1 :lol: :p

Seriously I dont know, I think Mardy is the better grasscourt player so I give him the edge, but I am not even 60% sure if he can pull through.

kronus12
06-14-2006, 12:01 AM
Actually this match will be a tough one for him Mardy is not a wimpy player he has a huge server a good flat forehand shot too so don't sell him short few years back he was one of the upcoming american players until serious injuries have hamper his progress. If Mardy plays to his potential then he will beat rafa sorry if i ruffel any feathers but i've seen Mardy play well and he is devasting especially the serve and volley.

Corey Feldman
06-14-2006, 12:46 AM
Rafa wins 7-6 6-3 I'd say..

Golfnduck
06-14-2006, 12:49 AM
Mardy 7-5 2-6 6-4 :p

Jlee
06-14-2006, 01:25 AM
I'm picking Mardy, just because of the challenger win on grass recently and his serve/volley. Maybe if Nadal had had more time on the grass he'd have a better chance, but we'll see.

Mardy- 7-6 3-6 7-5

Ays25
06-14-2006, 01:31 AM
tough opener for rafa..
he will face a big server and if he is able to get into rallys he has a chance since he can hit the ball wherever he wants.
but if mardy plays serve and volley and chip and charge on rafa's serve he can win

atheneglaukopis
06-14-2006, 02:11 AM
The score will be 1-6 6-1 7-6. :lol: Nadal's the better overall player, but Fish is more comfortable on grass and not to be underestimated. Fish has had more time to prepare on grass, too, and the main reason he's in my signature is that I was impressed by the fight he put up against Nadal in Indian Wells.

I call Fish tentatively, but Nadal's on a pretty steep learning curve (Most Improved Player, anyone?), and if it turns out that he has learned a thing or two on grass, which is definitely something he considers important, I won't be surprised.

Halba
06-14-2006, 02:19 AM
nadal 2 lose this one

if last year was any guide nadal was wasted after the FO..too much partying huh for a youngster

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 02:26 AM
Fish has an excellent chance of winning but I have my doubts to be honest.

JadexD
06-14-2006, 02:31 AM
Regardless of all the consequences, I still think Rafa in 2.

Scotso
06-14-2006, 02:35 AM
6-4 6-3 Rafa

Maxpowers
06-14-2006, 03:36 AM
7-6, 5-7, 7-5 Fish

Deboogle!.
06-14-2006, 03:42 AM
7-6, 5-7, 7-5 FishYou think Mardy can win 2 close sets against Nadal? I don't care the surface, I don't have that kind of faith in Mardy holding up mentally like that :lol:

robrulz5
06-14-2006, 03:56 AM
Rafa should win...

Maxpowers
06-14-2006, 02:29 PM
You think Mardy can win 2 close sets against Nadal? I don't care the surface, I don't have that kind of faith in Mardy holding up mentally like that :lol:

I'm thinking that Nadal is spent physically and mentally and not yet used to the grass. Mardy has been playing on grass for a while now and is in good shape. I think if his serve is on it will be even tougher for Nadal to return than in IW. The grass also doesn't help Nadal's shots, so Mardy can get a better handle on it than before and will be able to attack.

Of course mentally it will be tough for him to win a set against Nadal, that's why I thought the first set would be really close. In the second Mardy will have a bit of a let down and drop serve once, but then get it back together for the 3rd. I'll probably be completely wrong, but that was my reasoning.

Guybrush
06-14-2006, 02:36 PM
Go Mardy! Destroy him! :devil:

Neverstopfightin
06-14-2006, 03:16 PM
You think Mardy can win 2 close sets against Nadal? I don't care the surface, I don't have that kind of faith in Mardy holding up mentally like that :lol:

First close set and Mardy played like crap the tie break serving horrible when he was serving great before during the whole set :lol:

Aleksa's Laydee
06-14-2006, 03:18 PM
Yeah he played so well in the set then lost the freaking plot in the tie break, he makes me so angry when he does that, you watch he'll get bagelled in the second set!

Aleksa's Laydee
06-14-2006, 03:19 PM
told ya...2-0 already...go home mardy im sick of this play

atheneglaukopis
06-14-2006, 03:43 PM
The score will be 1-6 6-1 7-6. :lol:.
Well, there was a 7-6 and a 6-1, so I was sort of close...

gillian
06-14-2006, 03:44 PM
Nadal wins 7-6, 6-1.

Did anyone see the first set tiebreak?

jenanun
06-14-2006, 04:00 PM
Mardy Fish 6-1 7-6

wow...

tangerine_dream
06-14-2006, 04:37 PM
I don't get Mardy sometimes. Did he mentally crap out again? Was he intimidated by Nadal? What an embarrassing scoreline. :o

revolution
06-14-2006, 05:11 PM
Nadal played very well in this match and was passing him and schooling him around the court- Fish had no answer really.

Alisa
06-14-2006, 05:22 PM
yey rafa!!

disturb3d
06-14-2006, 05:25 PM
Nadal won Madrid. A faster court than at Stella Artois.
Apart from dodgey bounces, what is there to steer him away from the title?