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Will Rafa be #2 seed at Wimbledon 2006?

konyalikartal
06-12-2006, 09:53 PM
The question is simple. I think Rafa deserves this and should be #2 seed. There is so much gap between Rafa and Roddick (2165 points). I think this time that stupid formula won't help Roddick to be #2 seed. Even if it helped, Roddick shouldn't be #2 seed because he doesn't deserve that place. I didn't mention other players to be #2 seed because according to the stupid formula they won't get too much points. Only exception is at Roddick's side. What are your opinions?

El Legenda
06-12-2006, 09:57 PM
:haha:

Argenbrit
06-12-2006, 10:28 PM
No. He shouldn't be and he won't be #2 seed.

Caralimon
06-12-2006, 10:30 PM
He will. According to my estimations though. So you can't be sure.

bokehlicious
06-12-2006, 10:32 PM
:haha:

:yeah:

Chloe le Bopper
06-12-2006, 10:33 PM
He almost certainly will be, so long as Wimbledon is using a formula for seedings. It's simply too absurd to find a formula that will make up for the 2165 point gap between he and Roddick :shrug: Roddick's Wimbledon final only chops than down to 1465.

The ONLY way they could do it would be to go with subjective seedings and not use a formula... something they stopped doing a while a go :shrug:

Whether or not he *should* be depends on whether or not you think that slams should seed by surface.

Argenbrit
06-12-2006, 10:35 PM
Can someone tell me what is the exact formula they use?

casabe
06-12-2006, 10:36 PM
nalbandian and ljubicic have more chance to be seeded #2 than roddick...
even ancic, but nadal has a big amount of points....and that would be determinant.

juanpablo18
06-12-2006, 10:41 PM
what is the formulaa?? someone knows?

revolution
06-12-2006, 10:42 PM
Roddick should not be number 2 seed, and Hewitt should not be inflated to top 5 seed, his ranking is too low.

Hopefully Roger, Andy and Lleyton will all be in one half of the draw.

Rgask
06-12-2006, 10:49 PM
E = mc*2

Energy = must count*2........ :o

Saumon
06-12-2006, 10:51 PM
should Nadal be seeded number one at RG next year? :p

blosson
06-12-2006, 10:53 PM
This is from last year

. Take INDESIT ATP Entry Ranking points at Monday, June 13, 2005
· Add 100% of points earned for all grass court tournaments in the previous 12 months
· Add 75% of points earned at a player’s best grass court event in the 12 months before that.

Horatio Caine
06-12-2006, 10:53 PM
what is the formulaa?? someone knows?

Someone had it last year but I think it was something like the last 4 years' worth of points on grass, but each previous year depreciates in value by 25%

So, 2005 = 100%, 2004 = 75%, 2003 = 50% and 2002 = 25%.

Can anyone elaborate on that? Thanks

amierin
06-12-2006, 10:55 PM
should Nadal be seeded number one at RG next year? :p

Saumon your question and the question posed by the thread title are both valid.

I thought Rafa should've been the number one seed at the FO this year but I know they went strictly by the rankings. They can seed him high at Wimby and give him a crappy draw.

It'll be interesting to see what they do.

Melvins
06-13-2006, 12:11 AM
I think Nadal will be 2nd seed in Wimbledon, but I like the Wimbledon seeds formula and I don't understand why everybody considerate it so stupid. Only it's a little unfair because players like Nadal, Nalbandian and Robredo can't use it in Roland Garros.

Edit: Another question - Don't Wimbledon use this system a long time ago? I don't know it, but I think that yes. Why do you think this formula is to put Roddick in 2nd seed (maybe they made it to Henman)?

Jimnik
06-13-2006, 12:22 AM
Rafa should have been the no.1 seed at RG and Andy should be the no.2 seed at Wimbledon.

But if Wimbledon use the same formula as always, Rafa will stay no.2 and Andy will jump to no.3.

Scotso
06-13-2006, 12:39 AM
I don't think they should change the seedings at all. Maybe Rafa should be #1 at RG, and Roddick #2 at Wimbledon... but I still don't think it's really fair. Players play all year to earn their ranking... really Wimbledon shouldn't be allowed to change them around.

If they continue to want to do it, then RG needs to do the same thing. I really feel like the only reason Wimbledon continued to want to change seeds was to bump Henman up :p

kronus12
06-13-2006, 01:01 AM
Well if they go by last year then roddick will be number 2 and fed number 1 only the britsh does it no one else pretty silly though.
But i can see where they coming from they going by grass court wins and sorry to say Rafal grass court record is pretty bad.
And by the way Jerry Seinfield roddick doesn't suck he made the wimbledon final twice in a row clown. You're the only dumbass that sux here.

ASP0315
06-13-2006, 01:47 AM
Roddick will be no 2 Seed if He Defends Stella Artois Cup. Probably Hewitt will take up the 3rd Seed Position. Nadal should be seeded 4th or 5th.

Seeding system is totally pathetic for Wimbledon. I don't understand why Wimbledon never change it seeding system when all other Grand Slams use ATP Inside Ranking System.Prize Money is also not equal too.

Deboogle!.
06-13-2006, 02:06 AM
Nadal will be #2 seed, it's basically a mathematical certainty at this point.

nobama
06-13-2006, 03:13 AM
Nadal will be #2 seed, it's basically a mathematical certainty at this point.Yes isn't Nadal far enough ahead in the entry rankings that there is no way he can't be seeded #2?

Scotso
06-13-2006, 03:19 AM
Nadal will be #2 seed, it's basically a mathematical certainty at this point.

:banana:

Neverstopfightin
06-13-2006, 05:52 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=3625239&postcount=556

In fact although Nadal had lost to Ljubicic in semis Roddick hadn't any mathematically possibility of being second seeded player at Wimbledon.

The only guy who could take this spot away from him was Nalbandian under some concrete conditions , and those conditions didn't happen . When Nadal reached the French Open final and Nalbandian fell in semis , is the moment when Nadal ensured definitely the second seeding.

Last week i was entertained making counts :lol:

yomike
06-13-2006, 11:08 AM
There is no way Andy is gonna be seeded second ahead of Nadal, Nalbandian and Ljubicic. Wimby should stick with the rankings instead of trying to buff the up the seedings of struggling players.

GermanBoy
06-13-2006, 11:15 AM
Roddick should not be number 2 seed, and Hewitt should not be inflated to top 5 seed, his ranking is too low.

Hopefully Roger, Andy and Lleyton will all be in one half of the draw.

No! :mad:

Andy 2nd would make sense! :D

If they want to lose their No. 2 after the first round they will give Nadal that seed.... :rolleyes:

yuffchen
06-13-2006, 11:20 AM
No! :mad:

Andy 2nd would make sense! :D

If they want to lose their No. 2 after the first round they will give Nadal that seed.... :rolleyes:

i would like to see andy 2nd :)

FSRteam
06-13-2006, 11:25 AM
Rafa should have been the no.1 seed at RG and Andy should be the no.2 seed at Wimbledon.

But if Wimbledon use the same formula as always, Rafa will stay no.2 and Andy will jump to no.3.

To be seeded N°1 or N°2 in a tournament doesn't change much!

Had rafa been N°1 at RG this year, he would've had a tougher draw than what he had!!!

joeb_uk
06-13-2006, 12:16 PM
Why people complain about these seedings so much anyway, often players who are seeded higher end up with more difficult matches. Drawing an unseeded player, who is actually better than the majority of players (seeded) on that surface.

supersexynadal
06-13-2006, 12:24 PM
whats the stupid formula they do? i dont get it

williaer
06-13-2006, 12:56 PM
Rafa will be #2 and Andy will be #3. I sort of agree with statements that Andy should be #2 at Wimbledon and Rafa #1 at RG, however being #1 or #2 seed doesn't really make any difference - they'll certainly be on the otherside of the draw to #1 or #2 seed (depending on what seed they have) and the rest is random. I quite like the Wimbledon seeding system, and would certainly think about agreeing that it should be used at all of the Grand Slams.

faboozadoo15
06-13-2006, 03:42 PM
i kinda hope rafa gets bumped down to #5 so roger can whoop his ass. i reckon nadal can possibly make a quarterfinal. maybe.

thrust
06-13-2006, 04:49 PM
It would be absurd not to rank Nadal #2, as he is so far ahead of the third ranked plalyer in the ATP rankings. Also, Andy had accomplished very little this season and is no guarantee to do that well at Wimbledon. Also, if Nadal is ranked #2, there is a better chance that he and Roger could play in the finals as they would certainly be in different halves of the draw and could not meet until the finals.

MariaV
06-13-2006, 04:58 PM
Rafa will be #2 and Andy will be #3. I sort of agree with statements that Andy should be #2 at Wimbledon and Rafa #1 at RG, however being #1 or #2 seed doesn't really make any difference - they'll certainly be on the otherside of the draw to #1 or #2 seed (depending on what seed they have) and the rest is random. I quite like the Wimbledon seeding system, and would certainly think about agreeing that it should be used at all of the Grand Slams.
Nope, if Rafa would be No 3 or 4 Fed and Rafa 'would' meet in the semis not in the final, being No 1 and 2 they could only meet in the final.

stebs
06-13-2006, 05:00 PM
What I find odd about seedings is that most of them don't matter.

It doesn't matter if you are seeded 1 or 2. You get the same deal.

It doesn't matter if you are seeded 3 or 4. You get the same deal.

It doesn't matter if you are seeded 5,6,7 or 8. You get the same deal.

It doesn't matter if you are seeded 9,10,11,12,13,14,15 or 16. You get the sane deal.

All seeds lower than 16 get the same deal as well.

Crazy, it means that world number 17 gets no more reward than world numer 32.

Blue Orange
06-13-2006, 05:18 PM
Your points that What I find odd about seedings is that most of them don't matter.

It doesn't matter if you are seeded 1 or 2. You get the same deal.

It doesn't matter if you are seeded 3 or 4. You get the same deal.

It doesn't matter if you are seeded 5,6,7 or 8. You get the same deal.


are all valid.

However,


It doesn't matter if you are seeded 9,10,11,12,13,14,15 or 16. You get the sane deal.

Once it gets beyond this seeding there is some advantage in being seeded higher; 9,10,11 and 12 are seeded to meet one of 5,6,7,8 whileas seeds 13-16 meet seeds 1-4. Basically being seeded 9 - such as Gonzo at RG - means you cannot draw any of the top four seeds.


All seeds lower than 16 get the same deal as well.

Crazy, it means that world number 17 gets no more reward than world numer 32.

The difference between being seeded 17 - as Ginepri was - and 32 - Massu- is that Massu is seeded to meet one of the top eight seeds in the R32 (see [32] Massu vs [1] Federer, [31] Tursunov vs [3] Nalbandian, [30] Moya vs [6] Davydenko, and [29] Mathieu vs [2] Nadal).

Basically in R32 it seems that:
Seeds 1-8 will meet one of the seeds 25-32
Seeds 9-16 will meet one of seeds 17-24

stebs
06-13-2006, 05:20 PM
Your points that
are all valid.

However,



Once it gets beyond this seeding there is some advantage in being seeded higher; 9,10,11 and 12 are seeded to meet one of 5,6,7,8 whileas seeds 13-16 meet seeds 1-4. Basically being seeded 9 - such as Gonzo at RG - means you cannot draw any of the top four seeds.



The difference between being seeded 17 - as Ginepri was - and 32 - Massu- is that Massu is seeded to meet one of the top eight seeds in the R32 (see [32] Massu vs [1] Federer, [31] Tursunov vs [3] Nalbandian, [30] Moya vs [6] Davydenko, and [29] Mathieu vs [2] Nadal).

Basically in R32 it seems that:
Seeds 1-8 will meet one of the seeds 25-32
Seeds 9-16 will meet one of seeds 17-24


Ahh, my mistake. Thanks for enlightening me :)

Still, I think it should go back to the old 1-16 2-15 3-14 4-13 5-12 6-11 7-10 8-9 system.

Scotso
06-13-2006, 05:41 PM
Why people complain about these seedings so much anyway, often players who are seeded higher end up with more difficult matches. Drawing an unseeded player, who is actually better than the majority of players (seeded) on that surface.

Being seeded #2 at Wimbledon is important, because it means you can't face Federer until the final.

nobama
06-13-2006, 05:56 PM
i kinda hope rafa gets bumped down to #5 so roger can whoop his ass. i reckon nadal can possibly make a quarterfinal. maybe.Yeah the powers that will make sure no matter what he's not seeded #2 and is on Roger's side of the draw. :retard:

naughty_sprite
06-13-2006, 06:11 PM
I think its good, I think rafa's got a good chance. Roddick is old school!!!

alfonsojose
06-13-2006, 07:22 PM
He will. The difference is too big

oneandonlyhsn
06-13-2006, 07:29 PM
No! :mad:

Andy 2nd would make sense! :D

If they want to lose their No. 2 after the first round they will give Nadal that seed.... :rolleyes:

Nah I give him the benefit of the doubt, he will lose in the 2nd round :lol:

JadexD
06-13-2006, 07:30 PM
yeah, rafa will most likely stay at number 2. Andy is just so much behind him. 2000+ points is a lot to bump and manuever around so Andy can get the #2 seed. I doubt Andy can make another final anyways.

Havok
06-13-2006, 07:38 PM
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Roddick

I'm sure Andy'll get the #3 seed, unless they decide to do it subjectively and bump him up to #2. Either way Andy will be the 2nd or 3rd seed and either or makes sense. He's been the second best grass courter for 3 years now anyways, and he still is ranked inside the top 5 and isn't really that far behind Ljubicic/Nalbandian in terms of points. Ivan has done jack on grass and Nalbandian had that one nice, insanely flukey run at the Wimbledon finals ages ago. Hewitt will most definitely be promoted to a top 8 seed and the likes of Grosjean/Henman will be a top 16 seed is my guess.

Allez
06-13-2006, 07:41 PM
If Rafael wins Stella then there is zero excuse for him not being seeded 2nd. No excuse at all.

Argenbrit
06-13-2006, 08:01 PM
Ivan has done jack on grass and Nalbandian had that one nice, insanely flukey run at the Wimbledon finals ages ago.

Yeah, Ljubicic lost in 1st rd last year, IIRC, but Nalbandian was a QF.

Blue Orange
06-13-2006, 09:07 PM
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Roddick

I'm sure Andy'll get the #3 seed, unless they decide to do it subjectively and bump him up to #2. Either way Andy will be the 2nd or 3rd seed and either or makes sense. He's been the second best grass courter for 3 years now anyways, and he still is ranked inside the top 5 and isn't really that far behind Ljubicic/Nalbandian in terms of points. Ivan has done jack on grass and Nalbandian had that one nice, insanely flukey run at the Wimbledon finals ages ago. Hewitt will most definitely be promoted to a top 8 seed and the likes of Grosjean/Henman will be a top 16 seed is my guess.

Henman can't be seeded as he is not one of the top 32 ranked players competing at Wimbledon.

Havok
06-14-2006, 02:17 AM
Henman can't be seeded as he is not one of the top 32 ranked players competing at Wimbledon.
It's Henman and it's Wimbledon, I'm sure they'll find a way to get this guy seeded. Disregarding last year's performance, his track record at Wimbledon is insanely consistent and he really is one of only a handful of grass court specialists, he plays more of a grass game that Roger himself.

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 02:25 AM
It's Henman and it's Wimbledon, I'm sure they'll find a way to get this guy seeded. Disregarding last year's performance, his track record at Wimbledon is insanely consistent and he really is one of only a handful of grass court specialists, he plays more of a grass game that Roger himself.

He CAN'T be seeded for Wimbledon this year. As Blue Orange says, they only use the top 32 players entered into the tournament and then re-arrange them accordingly.

He hasn't done all that well on grass over the last 2 years (which was a necessary part of the seeding system) and so that would be of little benefit to him anyway if he were re-arranged in a top 32 seeding.

As to his run at Wimbledon...I feel that unless he continues his good form, remains fit and gets an insanely easy draw (similar opponents to Ljubo in RG please :lol: ) he won't ever suppass R4 anymore. His success rate on grass has actually fallen every year since 2001 :(

Scotso
06-14-2006, 02:31 AM
It's Henman and it's Wimbledon, I'm sure they'll find a way to get this guy seeded. Disregarding last year's performance, his track record at Wimbledon is insanely consistent and he really is one of only a handful of grass court specialists, he plays more of a grass game that Roger himself.

They won't, they'll just put him against a very week seed in the first round so he can assume their position in the draw.

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 02:33 AM
They won't, they'll just put him against a very week seed in the first round so he can assume their position in the draw.

:lol: I hope they do but he hasn't had much luck with draws these days and he can lose to pretty much anyone in the draw anyway :shrug:

robrulz5
06-14-2006, 03:19 AM
It's good that they now seed all the top 32 players that enter. I don't think they used to do that which meant alot of claycourters didn't play because they couldn't get a seed.

I'm guessing they have the seeding system the way it is because there are so few grass court events unlike clay court and hard court events.

urock34
06-14-2006, 04:42 AM
serena williams was seeded 1 in 04 and she was ranked number 10

yomike
06-14-2006, 11:24 AM
I'm sure Andy'll get the #3 seed, unless they decide to do it subjectively and bump him up to #2. Either way Andy will be the 2nd or 3rd seed and either or makes sense. He's been the second best grass courter for 3 years now anyways, and he still is ranked inside the top 5 and isn't really that far behind Ljubicic/Nalbandian in terms of points. Ivan has done jack on grass and Nalbandian had that one nice, insanely flukey run at the Wimbledon finals ages ago. Hewitt will most definitely be promoted to a top 8 seed and the likes of Grosjean/Henman will be a top 16 seed is my guess.

Boohoo!

At least Nalby has a chance of beating Roger in the final.
I can't say the same for Andy.

Argenbrit
06-14-2006, 03:20 PM
Nadal can be #2, #3...wherever they put him. He still won't make the final. At least not this year. We're not talking about the future, we're talking about *now* and he's not ready to play full potential on grass.