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Can Rafael Nadal win Wimbledon? Give reasons for your answer please

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RonE
06-12-2006, 06:53 PM
It's that time of year and in the long run it seems grass is and will continue to be Nadal's weakest surface and winning Wimbledon his greatest challenge.

He is very young- only 20. Time is on his side- the question is can he adapt his game well enough in the future and use the tools he currently has to be able to build a gameplan that works well enough for grass?

He has shown he can become more agressive in his play and flatten out the shots when he needs to. He is becoming very competent at the net, the serve has improved but will need to continue improving to increase his chances. But the main question is can he adapt his footwork and be able to move well enough. Will he be able to step in closer when receiving and take the return earlier?

Your thoughts.

R.Federer
06-12-2006, 06:57 PM
I think we have all learned over the last year that there are no reasonable grounds (no pun intended) to underestimate him. There were doubts he could play on hard, but boy did he show he could in Montreal and then in Doha.
There are so few tournaments on grass that he has not had too much opportunity to show his skills there, but I don't underestimate that he can "do well" --perhaps not win it, this year, ever, whatever, but do well nevertheless.

Caren
06-12-2006, 07:01 PM
I don't think he has the game for grass right now, or if he does he just doesn't have enough time to adapt his game to the grass court considering how close it is to RG and watever. I can't see him being a major challenger in the next few years but he is only 20 so i wouldn't rule him out in a few years time.

Tom_Bombadil
06-12-2006, 07:04 PM
Someday he could win it. I'm not saying this year but, why not? Yeah, Federer rules on grass but he's not gonna last forever. Nadal's progression is gonna be steady and maybe in 3 years when he's 23 and Fed 27 he could do better.

All what I'm saying is speculation. Of course I have complete faith on this kid. He has the most powerful weapon that is the best of the circuit: his mentality. I think if he's strong enough in this area he could win Wimbledon.

By the way, if Bjorg won it then Nadal also can. :P

rue
06-12-2006, 07:09 PM
I think that Nadal will learn fast, how to play on grass. He is very determined to win Wimbledon and would be a great accomplishment if he were to win it. I believe that he has the game to win it one day, perhaps sooner than we all think.

Scotso
06-12-2006, 07:27 PM
Yes, simply because of his sheer determination.

croman
06-12-2006, 07:31 PM
Are you crazy? NADAL WILL NEVER WIN WIMBLEDON,NEVER!!!!!! REMEMBER THAT!

RonE
06-12-2006, 07:36 PM
One more factor to take into account- considering how good he is on clay no doubt more often than not he will be around for the closing stages of RG which leaves him precious little time to really get used to playing on the grass. I wonder if at some stage of his career he might do what Lendl did in 1990 and skip RG to prepare for Wimbledon? Although judging by what i have seen from him I don't think he is as obssessive in character as Lendl was.

Allez
06-12-2006, 07:39 PM
Without a doubt... His game needs some serious fine tuning but his sheer mental strength will see him through. The guy just doesn't know how and when to quit.

Carlita
06-12-2006, 07:52 PM
yes! He's eager enough, willing to learn....give it time, he'll win it :)

nhissan
06-12-2006, 07:55 PM
Are you crazy? NADAL WILL NEVER WIN WIMBLEDON,NEVER!!!!!! REMEMBER THAT!
yeah they are crazy :D

Caren
06-12-2006, 08:01 PM
Yes, simply because of his sheer determination.

Determination is only part of it though, Andy Roddick has had 'sheer determination' the past few years and been stopped by Federer.

DDrago2
06-12-2006, 08:11 PM
Determination means little when you just can't. The answer is: NO.

Scotso
06-12-2006, 08:13 PM
Determination is only part of it though, Andy Roddick has had 'sheer determination' the past few years and been stopped by Federer.

Rafa determination > Roddick determination

Rafa works a bit harder, never gives up, etc. Andy doesn't really do that.

DDrago2
06-12-2006, 08:19 PM
If Raffa works so hard, than how comes that his game is so one-dimensional? ;) You would expect from a hard-working guy to master more aspects of the game

Nacho
06-12-2006, 08:20 PM
Conchita could, so Nadal can too

lol ;)

connectolove
06-12-2006, 08:22 PM
Eventually who knows, now I on´t think so. I have the impression that his debut on grass will be a dsmal faliure. I hope that he improves fast.

Scotso
06-12-2006, 08:22 PM
He looks pretty three-dimensional to me. I mean, we can actually see him.

And if Rafa is so one-dimensional, what are the guys that he constantly beats? Including Federer?

connectolove
06-12-2006, 08:25 PM
Without a doubt... His game needs some serious fine tuning but his sheer mental strength will see him through. The guy just doesn't know how and when to quit.

So true!

connectolove
06-12-2006, 08:28 PM
He looks pretty three-dimensional to me. I mean, we can actually see him.

And if Rafa is so one-dimensional, what are the guys that he constantly beats? Including Federer?


I think Rafa is one dimensional: The FOURTH dimension, and he is the only GOD there. I think that eventually he´ll do it.

bokehlicious
06-12-2006, 08:35 PM
Are you crazy? NADAL WILL NEVER WIN WIMBLEDON,NEVER!!!!!! REMEMBER THAT!

:yeah:

I mean, of course he can still improve in some parts of his game, but he's too uncomfortable with that surface plus he should change his game too much to suit it. I really doubt that he'll win there someday.

bokehlicious
06-12-2006, 08:37 PM
And if Rafa is so one-dimensional, what are the guys that he constantly beats? Including Federer?

You'll put that sh*t on the table every single day ? :shrug: :zzz:

Chloe le Bopper
06-12-2006, 09:10 PM
Great claycourt players are hindered by the fact that Wimbledon is just a few short weeks after Roland Garros. If the schedule wasn't so stupid, they'd certainly have a better chance.

Boo schedule, boo.

prima donna
06-12-2006, 09:19 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

silverwhite
06-12-2006, 09:19 PM
Great claycourt players are hindered by the fact that Wimbledon is just a few short weeks after Roland Garros. If the schedule wasn't so stupid, they'd certainly have a better chance.

Boo schedule, boo.

Fed made the RG semis last year and still went on to win Wimby. Don't forget about Borg too. ;)

thrust
06-12-2006, 09:26 PM
There is practially no pressure on Nadal to win Wimbledon whereas there is much pressure on Roger to do so, primarily because he has lost to Nadal 4 times this year. Rafa should just relax and play his game, whith some modifications, and let rip! He could possibly win it this year.

Chloe le Bopper
06-12-2006, 11:08 PM
Fed made the RG semis last year and still went on to win Wimby. Don't forget about Borg too. ;)
Borg and Fed are greats of the game. Nadal is a long way off from those two, thus my statement applies to him.

casabe
06-12-2006, 11:44 PM
top spin isnt really a good weapon in grass as it is on clay or hard. I really dont think nadal can change his technicals mouvements for grass. So no he just hasnt got the game for grass

amierin
06-12-2006, 11:56 PM
Rafa himself said he is three years away from being ready to win Wimby. That said, who knows?

silverwhite
06-13-2006, 12:09 AM
Borg and Fed are greats of the game. Nadal is a long way off from those two, thus my statement applies to him.

Then it's more due to ability than the scheduling. :p

spec7er
06-13-2006, 01:22 AM
Maybe if the tour rearranges the schedule, his chances of doing well in Wimbledon could increase a bit. :)

I think in the future, he'll at least put in a decent showing. A QF maybe or better is definitely within the realm of possibility, especially if he develops the serve more. But winning it would only be possible with a favorable draw and Federer's stranglehold on the faster courts to lessen.

kronus12
06-13-2006, 01:53 AM
A big no sorry im a huge rafa fan if you guys read my other post but his game is not taliored to grass court its faster and pure determination can only get you so far.
Skillz on grass court would help for instance federer has the best backhand slice on grass in the game its a killer ask roddick. And remember clay negate powerful forehand shots on most courts would be winners.
And all the players agree roland garros has a slow clay court advantage to players like Rafal
Rafa won't be able to get alot of those shots back that he would on clay.And the famous left two hand backhand topspin that causes federer problems
will not spin off the grass like it would on clay.
The disadvantage of clay courters is how they haven't got time to adjust their game to grass very unfair in my book but until they change it tough luck.
The only way Rafal will win wimbeldon is when he changes his whole game and people he's got time but does he have the patient to do it that's the question.

mongo
06-13-2006, 02:18 AM
Win? Will he ever reach the second week? I don't even like his chances to reach the QF at the USO. However, he could win the AO because he plays well in the heat and the surface is conducive to his style of play: slower and yields higher kicking balls with all the spin he generates than he'll find at Wimby or the USO.

Wimby
1. serve not a weapon
2. game too defensive: he stands too far behind the baseline; P. Chartier has a lot of room behind the baseline for him to run down balls on a slower surface
3. swings are too big: the baseliners that have had success (Agassi, Hewitt, Nalbandian) have flat, compact strokes--the ball will be on him too quickly for him to dictate the points

...same holds at the USO

kronus12
06-13-2006, 02:51 AM
totally agree mongo nice breakdown

Giggles
06-13-2006, 03:07 AM
I think, either great return, great serve, or both is a must to excel in grass courts. Nadal does not have any of them yet.

Federer&Hingis
06-13-2006, 03:58 AM
Roddick will win French Open if Nadal win Wimbledon.

The answer is NO.

Nadal 's top spin doesn't work on grass.

El Legenda
06-13-2006, 04:24 AM
No, Because Roger will win every Wimbledon until he is 29 :)

Federer&Hingis
06-13-2006, 04:29 AM
No, Because Roger will win every Wimbledon until he is 29 :)

:worship: :worship: :worship:

robrulz5
06-13-2006, 05:52 AM
Certainly not this year. He has alot to work on if he wants to win Wimbledon.

eddie_hyden
06-13-2006, 06:01 AM
You'll put that sh*t on the table every single day ? :shrug: :zzz:

well ppl will get that shit when they get that shit about rafa one dimensional

eddie_hyden
06-13-2006, 06:04 AM
Win? Will he ever reach the second week? I don't even like his chances to reach the QF at the USO. However, he could win the AO because he plays well in the heat and the surface is conducive to his style of play: slower and yields higher kicking balls with all the spin he generates than he'll find at Wimby or the USO.

Wimby
1. serve not a weapon
2. game too defensive: he stands too far behind the baseline; P. Chartier has a lot of room behind the baseline for him to run down balls on a slower surface
3. swings are too big: the baseliners that have had success (Agassi, Hewitt, Nalbandian) have flat, compact strokes--the ball will be on him too quickly for him to dictate the points

...same holds at the USO

well i should think if a right-handed guy could learn and excell playing as a left hander, nothing could be too difficult to learn.

admiralpye
06-13-2006, 06:05 AM
Not yet.

But his serve's improving, and he has been willing to volley more of late. If he has the right mental attitude like Agassi said Nadal has, Nadal could learn to adjust his game to the surface.

Last year, they built a grass court in Mallorca especially for Nadal to practice on.

Volley Art
06-13-2006, 06:46 AM
It's going to be a big challenge for him, but it's within the realm of possibility. It's not just a matter of getting used to grass for him, he's also going to have to make some changes in his game. That kick serve of his is not nearly as effective on grass as it is on clay or even hard; he'll need to get bigger on his first. His net presence will also have to improve considerably, and he needs to rely on flatter groundstrokes. How bad does he want it?

oz_boz
06-13-2006, 09:10 AM
I say if Borg could, then so can Nadal. On the other hand the game probably has become so much faster that a baseline strategy on the fastest surface just isn't enough. In that case, he will have to adapt his game and become more aggressive, and maybe it's just too much for him. But we should give him some years before we say "no way in hell".

forever_rafter
06-13-2006, 09:47 AM
Not in a million years

Exodus
06-13-2006, 11:15 AM
no can't win wimbledon for sure and he won't win RG in a few years when he gets injured because of all the running...

mdhallu
06-13-2006, 11:24 AM
Ofcourse he can eventually win Wimbledon...anyone that is in the top 5 can potentially win any tournament at any time...he just needs to get off the clay and practice more on grass

vincayou
06-13-2006, 12:38 PM
Ofcourse he can eventually win Wimbledon...anyone that is in the top 5 can potentially win any tournament at any time...he just needs to get off the clay and practice more on grass

Yeah Roddick can win RG. It escaped me.

revolution
07-04-2006, 07:16 PM
3 more matches and this thread would become irrelevant ;)

GlennMirnyi
07-04-2006, 07:21 PM
Never. And the day it happens, Wimbledon must close and become a shopping center. That will be the ultimate mockery of the tournament.

mongo
07-04-2006, 07:26 PM
Unlike Labadze, Jarrko will be able to back up his serve, stay in rallies and play solid from both wings. Nadal didn't get much of a sniff off Labadze's serve. Up to this point, Nadal has benefitted from a weak, unfit draw. All that will change tomorrow. Jarrko won't go away.

bokehlicious
07-04-2006, 07:27 PM
The day moonballers rule Wimbledon I'll stop watching tennis :o

RFitzpatrick
07-04-2006, 07:33 PM
Because he'll keep moonballing towards Federer's backhand:D

Hawkman
07-04-2006, 07:36 PM
Rafa own's Federer and Federer know's it.

bokehlicious
07-04-2006, 07:37 PM
Because he'll keep moonballing towards Federer's backhand:D

Their last clay encounters showed it was less efficient, let the grass alone :D

RFitzpatrick
07-04-2006, 07:37 PM
:yeah: VAMOS

bokehlicious
07-04-2006, 07:38 PM
Rafa own's Federer and Federer know's it.

Too bad Rafa is not American, isn't it ? :wavey:

RFitzpatrick
07-04-2006, 07:39 PM
Their last clay encounters showed it was less efficient, let the grass alone :D
Eh.. you know, I keep balling Roger's. I wait for error, no? you know, I win, no?

Get a life, Federer will be nervous as hell. He'll lose 2, 3 and 5.

RFitzpatrick
07-04-2006, 07:39 PM
Their last clay encounters showed it was less efficient, let the grass alone :D
Then he'll rip FH DTL shots:D

Fedex
07-04-2006, 07:42 PM
By the way, if Bjorg won it then Nadal also can. :P
Borg won Wimbledon because he changed tactics and served and volleyed on grass. I dont ever see Nadal doing that.

bokehlicious
07-04-2006, 07:43 PM
Get a life, Federer will be nervous as hell. He'll lose 2, 3 and 5.

Whether Roger lose in straights to Rafa on grass I'll kill myself, don't worry :wavey:

World Beater
07-04-2006, 07:46 PM
I know this may sound weird, but i feel like his chances to win wimbledon are better in the near term than in the long term. He has a psychological advantage over fed, and if he plays smart enough, he might just do it. He showed against agassi that he can play on the baseline.

In the long term, i feel like we will see the full potential of guys like gasquet, murray, djoko, berdych, and it will be very tough for nadal to win. Nadal will improve but not as much as these other guys i think. There may be a small window of opportunity but he can do it. The question is, does he believe it? We have seen his determination on clay, but grass is altogether a different puzzle. He wont be able to use just his speed and tenacity to win matches.

RFitzpatrick
07-04-2006, 07:47 PM
Whether Roger lose in straights to Rafa on grass I'll kill myself, don't worry :wavey:
PLEASE RAFA.

TenHound
07-04-2006, 07:50 PM
Nadal can't win it. But Roger could lose it to him, if he doesn't feel he deserves more Major titles, or isn't firmly centered in his Inner Assasin.

But it's also possible that Baggy could take out RN, depending on what's happening w/him. He has an exc. movement net game, if he feels confident enough at this level to use it, as he did more when younger.

Fedex
07-04-2006, 07:51 PM
Eh.. you know, I keep balling Roger's. I wait for error, no? you know, I win, no?

Get a life, Federer will be nervous as hell. He'll lose 2, 3 and 5.
If you're willing to bet that Federer will lose 2, 3, and 5 to Nadal on grass I'd be more than willing to bet against you.

RFitzpatrick
07-04-2006, 07:55 PM
I said he'll win his sets 2, 3 and 5;)

GlennMirnyi
07-04-2006, 07:58 PM
The day moonballers rule Wimbledon I'll stop watching tennis :o

Perfect! So will I!

Moonballer... that's the term!!!
In portuguese we say baloeiro. That's what Nadal is, a moonballer. His forehand movement should be shown to people who's beginning in tennis with a black strip: "never do this!"

jenanun
07-04-2006, 08:02 PM
Perfect! So will I!


good for you :wavey:

FedFan
07-04-2006, 08:06 PM
I know this may sound weird, but i feel like his chances to win wimbledon are better in the near term than in the long term. He has a psychological advantage over fed, and if he plays smart enough, he might just do it. He showed against agassi that he can play on the baseline.

In the long term, i feel like we will see the full potential of guys like gasquet, murray, djoko, berdych, and it will be very tough for nadal to win. Nadal will improve but not as much as these other guys i think. There may be a small window of opportunity but he can do it. The question is, does he believe it? We have seen his determination on clay, but grass is altogether a different puzzle. He wont be able to use just his speed and tenacity to win matches.


Very true indeed. Because of his Kindergarten-Draw his best chance to win is imho undoubtedly this year. If not I am quite sure he will never be able to prevail, there are too many youngsters who are better one grass, not to forget "oldies" like Nalbandian (if he is interested), Hewitt, Roddick, Gonzalez etc., who will always be a threat on this surface.

revolution
07-04-2006, 08:07 PM
Never. And the day it happens, Wimbledon must close and become a shopping center. That will be the ultimate mockery of the tournament.

unfortunately for you, you would have to tolerate it :bigwave:

bokehlicious
07-04-2006, 08:10 PM
unfortunately for you, you would have to tolerate it :bigwave:

Come with that kind of reply the day Nadal lifts the Wimbledon trophy :o :wavey:

Hawkman
07-04-2006, 08:30 PM
Too bad Rafa is not American, isn't it ? :wavey:

Not at all. (And put that wavey thing away before you hurt yourself)

Player's like Rafa and/or Federer bring balance to tennis history. Everyone know's that the American's have been at the forefront of the sport since the inception of the Open Era. It is dismal there are no serious American threat's right now but we'll be back.

Switzerland has Roger today, but get when his reign comes to an end it'll be a long time before it has another one. It'll be a virtual drought for you.

In fact, with Rafa, it may be sooner than you think.

almouchie
07-04-2006, 08:41 PM
well he has won 4 matches
sure not against top ranked players
but how is that his fault
he plays Niemenin next
& surely has a great chance to advance to semis
I like his attitude

Vamos Rafa

Tom_Bombadil
07-04-2006, 08:49 PM
Perfect! So will I!

Moonballer... that's the term!!!
In portuguese we say baloeiro. That's what Nadal is, a moonballer. His forehand movement should be shown to people who's beginning in tennis with a black strip: "never do this!"

:D :D :D LMAO

Your concepts of education are pretty impressive. So you're going to explain future players why a stroke that wins points shouldn't be made? What a concept. Maybe you're showing how to not win matches...

victory1
07-04-2006, 08:54 PM
The only reason he got thius far is because of his weak draw; he can't count on that every year!

LaTenista
07-04-2006, 09:19 PM
I voted yes because he hasn't faced a break point in 9 or 10 sets.

Samuel
07-04-2006, 09:36 PM
Switzerland has Roger today, but get when his reign comes to an end it'll be a long time before it has another one. It'll be a virtual drought for you.


Wierd, there ought to be more tennis profis from Switzerland. Don't you think so?
There are about 7.3 million swiss living on this planet. So go on comparing the US with over 200 million inhabitants with Switzerland.
Switzerland's at least had Patty, as you like mentioning again and again. And Hingis is also living in Switzerland. So I think that's not very bad for such a small country.

Hawkman
07-04-2006, 10:05 PM
I would think there would be more tennis pro's from Switzerland, yes.

Hingis isn't really Swiss (you know that). I never understand these pro's who were born in one place yet, claim another. Are there any American's that ever claim another country (besides Johnny Depp? :rolleyes: ?)

Like Pierce claiming France; weird.

Sides' she also lives in the U.S. (Florida). :dance:

Switzerland's at least had Patty

at least, and that is an accomplishment. :bowdown:

ON the population note; Australia has a little less than 3 times the people Switzerland has but has prodced way more in proportion haven't they ?

Just a few worth noting:

Margaret Smith Court
Evonne Goolagong
Lleyton Hewitt
Pat Cash
Rod Laver
John Newcombe
Ken Rosewall
Patrick Rafter
Mark Philippoussis
Fred Stolle
The Woodies

Sweden has 9 Million and has given us:

Mats Wilander
Stefan Edberg
Björn Borg

that's not very bad for such a small country.

Not bad at all, unless you're Australia or Sweden.

as you like mentioning again and again.

Just a friendly reminder that Fed Fan's shouldn't gloat so much. Maybe if you had more success in tennis you wouldn't be so cocky.

Johnny Groove
07-04-2006, 10:09 PM
I would think there would be more tennis pro's from Switzerland, yes.

Hingis isn't really Swiss (you know that). I never understand these pro's who were born in one place yet, claim another. Are there any American's that ever claim another country (besides Johnny Depp? :rolleyes: ?)

Like Pierce claiming France; weird.

Sides' she also lives in the U.S. (Florida). :dance:



at least, and that is an accomplishment. :bowdown:

ON the population note; Australia has a little less than 3 times the people Switzerland has but has prodced way more in proportion haven't they ?

Just a few worth noting:

Margaret Smith Court
Evonne Goolagong
Lleyton Hewitt
Pat Cash
Rod Laver
John Newcombe
Ken Rosewall
Patrick Rafter
Mark Philippoussis
Fred Stolle
The Woodies

Sweden has 9 Million and has given us:

Mats Wilander
Stefan Edberg
Björn Borg



Not bad at all, unless you're Australia or Sweden.



Just a friendly reminder that Fed Fan's should'nt gloat so much. Maybe if you had more sucess in tennis you would'nt be so cocky.

:scratch: Im sorry, I thought this was a thread about if rafa can win wimbledon, not about how many good players come from insert country here :shrug:

Hawkman
07-04-2006, 10:11 PM
Blame JMPower.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=3748470&postcount=57

DDrago2
07-04-2006, 10:11 PM
Rafa own's Federer and Federer know's it.

Why is your gramatical error bolded?
The sentence also appears to make no sense

Nadal won a few matches on clay and few were close, that's not owning And certainly not on grass

Nadal can't win WImbledon because his game on grass is second-rate

Hawkman
07-04-2006, 10:18 PM
Don't be one of those dork's who feel compelled to spell correct and grammatically grade everyone's post's please and I wont feel compelled to point out your lack of couth

Nadal is 6 and 1 on him

3 - 0 on Clay
2 - 1 on Hard

=

PWNT

Just the fact's.

Johnny Groove
07-04-2006, 10:20 PM
Don't be one of those dork's who feel compelled to spell correct and grammatically grade everyone's post's please and I wont feel compelled to point out your lack of couth

Nadal is 6 and 1 on him

3 - 0 on Clay
2 - 1 on Hard

=

PWNT

Just the fact's.

get used to it. petty things like facts and logic dont work here, especially to someone as extreme as ddrago :rolleyes:

supersexynadal
07-04-2006, 10:36 PM
He has a big chance of getting to the finals but he'll face federer (duh) and unless he steals his wilson rackets and screws his hair up he wont win! This is rogers....

Samuel
07-04-2006, 10:38 PM
I was comparing America with Switzerland and not Sweden or Australia they've produced good players I agree with you about that.
And I know that Hingis is slowakian but she plays for Switzerland cos she moved there when she was 8 years old. And she is certainly swiss. There were other good swiss players but as Blaze said, this discussion doesn't belong to this thread.


Just a friendly reminder that Fed Fan's should'nt gloat so much. Maybe if you had more sucess in tennis you would'nt be so cocky.


What's that got to do with comparing Players?

Hawkman
07-04-2006, 10:42 PM
I'm asking myself the same thing everytime you reply.

jenanun
07-04-2006, 10:51 PM
thats funny.....

although nadal has a 6-1 record against federer, that doesnt really count
yep coz its on clay, and the matchs were close blah blah blah......
(btw, if i recall correctly, only 1 match federer had 2 mp.... others were not close imo...)


but blake has a 2-0 record against, blake definately owns nadal.... totally agree....

RFitzpatrick
07-04-2006, 10:54 PM
thats funny.....

although nadal has a 6-1 record against federer, that doesnt really count
yep coz its on clay, and the matchs were close blah blah blah......
(btw, if i recall correctly, only 1 match federer had 2 mp.... others were not close imo...)


but blake has a 2-0 record against, blake definately owns nadal.... totally agree....
Hewitt and Gonzalez PWN him too, jajajaj.:retard: Fed... eh :retard:s are quite dumb.:retard:

RFitzpatrick
07-04-2006, 10:55 PM
Kendrick PWNS Nadal too. He could beat him, so he PWNS him.:yeah:

Hawkman
07-04-2006, 10:59 PM
What do records and statistics have to do with it anyways. Roddick PWNS Federer; because someone believes it.

chisey
07-04-2006, 11:09 PM
Well, I don't see why Nadal can't win Wimbledon at some point in the future. His learning curve on grass is proving to be a lot better than most people expected, I think, and he's certainly having success, so I would feel silly saying something as absolute as 'he can't ever ever win Wimbledon'. However, I think that would be a good number of years in the future. After all, Federer pretty much owns grass, and I don't see him giving up the Wimbledon title for awhile yet. I'd wait to see how Nadal does against someone like Hewitt before pencilling his name in the trophy.

bokehlicious
07-04-2006, 11:11 PM
I would think there would be more tennis pro's from Switzerland, yes.

Hingis isn't really Swiss (you know that). I never understand these pro's who were born in one place yet, claim another. Are there any American's that ever claim another country (besides Johnny Depp? :rolleyes: ?)

Like Pierce claiming France; weird.

Sides' she also lives in the U.S. (Florida). :dance:



at least, and that is an accomplishment. :bowdown:

ON the population note; Australia has a little less than 3 times the people Switzerland has but has prodced way more in proportion haven't they ?

Just a few worth noting:

Margaret Smith Court
Evonne Goolagong
Lleyton Hewitt
Pat Cash
Rod Laver
John Newcombe
Ken Rosewall
Patrick Rafter
Mark Philippoussis
Fred Stolle
The Woodies

Sweden has 9 Million and has given us:

Mats Wilander
Stefan Edberg
Björn Borg



Not bad at all, unless you're Australia or Sweden.



Just a friendly reminder that Fed Fan's shouldn't gloat so much. Maybe if you had more success in tennis you wouldn't be so cocky.

What a load of bullshit. Hingis isn't Swiss ? :lol: I guess Roger isn't Swiss either as her mother comes from South Africa... Hingis actually learned how to play tennis in Switzerland since she lived there for almost forever. The fact is Switzerland has produced the best game ever (in term of variety, shot making, and effortless skills) on both men and women tennis sides with Roger and Martina.

Don't be so proud of being American mate, that's pathetic, you should learn a little more about what's going on outside the US borders, you moron !

DDrago2
07-04-2006, 11:13 PM
Don't be one of those dork's who feel compelled to spell correct and grammatically grade everyone's post's please and I wont feel compelled to point out your lack of couth

Nadal is 6 and 1 on him

3 - 0 on Clay
2 - 1 on Hard

=

PWNT

Just the fact's.

Federer doesn't feel like Nadal owns him

Hawkman
07-04-2006, 11:32 PM
I guess Roger isn't Swiss either as her mother comes from South Africa...

His mother. Roger was born in Switzerland. What does his mom's birthplace have to do with it ?

Hingis carries Swiss citenship, yes. I was in jest. Like Mary Pierce say's: D'une manière générale avec un contact de plaisanterie. Je vous ferai savoir quand je parle du fait.

Moron ? There is really no need for personal attack's please, especially when hiding behind your computer. We can talk about tennis and be passionate without being hostile can't we ?

Martina is the best woman's player ever ? I'd give that to Graff, Evert and Navratilova anyday over that stake, but now I know what kind of fan I am talking too.

My favorite player's list include many outside America so dont jump to conclusion's; just ask.

Hawkman
07-04-2006, 11:33 PM
Federer doesn't feel like Nadal owns him

I am not in Roger's head so I cannot argue this. I can only look at the book's.

revolution
07-04-2006, 11:41 PM
Nadal can't win WImbledon because his game on grass is second-rate

Why is he in the QF with a chance of winning the tournament then?

megadeth
07-04-2006, 11:45 PM
Why is he in the QF with a chance of winning the tournament then?

because he's had a relatively easy draw? :p

bokehlicious
07-04-2006, 11:47 PM
My favorite player's list include many outside America so dont jump to conclusion's; just ask.

The few posts you wrote in here show us you can't cope with the fact that other countries may be on top of the rankings, tennis is not about nationalities, get a life !

revolution
07-04-2006, 11:52 PM
because he's had a relatively easy draw? :p

Yes but it means he can't be a grass clown because a grass clown would still lose to the Kendricks and Agassis of this world.

Easy draw my arse, there's no easy matches in tennis. Not as difficult as others is the way to put it.

Agassi when he won RG as much as I like him, his draw wasn't that taxing. It happens but you still have to be good enough to win.

Nadal is capable of beating Hewitt on grass providing his shoulder doesn't start to hurt ;)

revolution
07-04-2006, 11:56 PM
He's seeded second anyway so what do you expect? Federer(1) first round? Nalby(4) 2nd round? Roddick(2) 3rd?

DDrago2
07-04-2006, 11:57 PM
am not in Roger's head so I cannot argue this.

Are you sure?

Rafa own's Federer and Federer know's it.

It seems you are.

Anyway you don't need to be in order to know what he thinks unless you think he is a liar. In a few interviews he said that in every match against Nadal he feels like he has a chance, not like he is playing someone who "owns" him
And that was said for clay matches

DDrago2
07-05-2006, 12:02 AM
Nadal is capable of beating Hewitt on grass providing his shoulder doesn't start to hurt ;)

Hewitt seems shaky these days, if mister Lee took him to five sets anything is possible. But if Hewitt plays what made him Hewitt - forget it

Johnny Groove
07-05-2006, 12:05 AM
Anyway you don't need to be in order to know what he thinks unless you think he is a liar. In a few interviews he said that in every match against Nadal he feels like he has a chance, not like he is playing someone who "owns" him
And that was said for clay matches

who gives a shit what he says in interviews? Actions speak louder than words, and until roger starts to turn the rivalry around, rafa will still own him.

revolution
07-05-2006, 12:05 AM
Hewitt seems shaky these days, if mister Lee took him to five sets anything is possible. But if Hewitt plays what made him Hewitt - forget it

How?

Hewitt is a defensive player and doesn't attack Nadal or serve-volley him or put him under intense pressure. Nadal has got through Wimbledon the same way as he has- grit and determination and tenacious play.

Hawkman
07-05-2006, 12:15 AM
Are you sure?

It seems you are.

Anyway you don't need to be in order to know what he thinks unless you think he is a liar. In a few interviews he said that in every match against Nadal he feels like he has a chance, not like he is playing someone who "owns" him
And that was said for clay matches

Okay. :rolleyes: Just looking at the stats and drawing my own conclusions.

The few posts you wrote in here show us you can't cope with the fact that other countries may be on top of the rankings, tennis is not about nationalities, get a life !

Now you're speaking for everyone, hmmm ?

I have plenty of life; this is my downtime. If you need a daily itinerary just PM me. I'll be happy to bore you with the details.

You're jumping to conclusion's again and they are wrong. Just ask me and I'll answer any concern's you have. I can cope with the lack of American Men in today's tennis. I am not stoked about it and will pay close attention as they again rise through the rank's. That'll be one of the best part's; seeing the game once again be dominated by an American Male (and Female). Surely, there is nothing wrong with pulling for my countrymates, right ?

It does not mean I am bitter at the other player's or countries. My favorite player's list consists of Lendl, Navratilova, Rafter, Wilander, Graf, Becker, Edberg, Ivanisevic, Martinez, Goolagong, Sabatini .....

Loved watching them play.

Hawkman
07-05-2006, 12:18 AM
until roger starts to turn the rivalry around

Federer fan's can only hope it becomes a rivalry as of today it is simply Pwner of a Lonely Heart by Rafa Nadal and his Swiss Killa's.

Rivalry ? Not yet. We can hope for sake of drama though

Johnny Groove
07-05-2006, 12:21 AM
Pwner of a Lonely Heart by Rafa Nadal the Swiss wrangler.


:lol: what a throwback song! :worship:

bokehlicious
07-05-2006, 12:21 AM
Federer fan's can only hope it becomes a rivalry as of today it is simply Pwner of a Lonely Heart by Rafa Nadal the Swiss wrangler.

Rivalry ? Not yet. We can hope for sake of drama though

Yep, but I guess people will remember the numerous Slams trophies and the number of weeks as the #1... The h-h is meaningless/worthless in comparison :o

Hawkman
07-05-2006, 12:22 AM
:devil: :p

robrulz5
07-05-2006, 12:25 AM
I wasn't too sure about Rafa doing well at Wimbledon but now I think he has a good chance to win. Hewitt in a semi will be a big test for him.

bokehlicious
07-05-2006, 12:29 AM
:devil: :p

I'm a bit surprised by the fact you seem to like all the greatest of the open era but Federer. Did Mirka dump you for him ? :)

Hawkman
07-05-2006, 12:49 AM
You have an interesting point there.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2006, 12:51 AM
"There are no easy matches in tennis"

No, surely not. If you're a insane Rafa... ops, REtard.

Of course his draw is ridiculously easy. I would like to see the moonballer playing Gasquet, Berdych, Ancic, Henman...

If you don't remember, when Federer lost to the moonballer in '04 he was sick. Everybody knows that.

bokehlicious
07-05-2006, 12:58 AM
You have an interesting point there.

I presume by your standarts Federer isn't "great" enough, is he ?

Fair enough, you non biased tennis fan :worship: .

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2006, 01:00 AM
:D :D :D LMAO

Your concepts of education are pretty impressive. So you're going to explain future players why a stroke that wins points shouldn't be made? What a concept. Maybe you're showing how to not win matches...

So you think that if you do a stroke badly and you are winning it means that you should do that always?
Let me tell you something: do you know why Gustavo Kuerten is semi-retired, after 2 surgeries? Because his forehand had a ridiculous movement. That stressed his hip structure. Of course that wasn't the only reason, but most specialists point it as the main one.
He won something? Let me see... Masters Cup, RG (three times), five MS, #1 for almost a year. More than your hero-candidate.

So I guess your theory is down the drain.

Federer will never have an injury in consequence of his strokes, as they are technically perfect. Nadal already had many injuries and is only 20 years old. Figure out the rest yourself.

DDrago2
07-05-2006, 01:04 AM
Okay. :rolleyes: Just looking at the stats and drawing my own conclusions.


Those are not conclusions but whisfull thinking driven buy your antypathy for Federer

Hawkman
07-05-2006, 01:11 AM
For the record

I do not have any serious antipathy for Roger Federer. I would rather see someone else at the Top for no other reason than a typical sports rational. It's merely a subjective choice.

There are player's I have grown to like (Navratilova, Sampras) that I did not while they played at the Top. (I was an Evert fan, an Agassi fan).

Maybe one day I'll dig Roger. But not today (and no offense is intended Roger Fan's!).

Regenbogen
07-05-2006, 01:24 AM
Nadal would have no chance against Federer on grass unless Federer was really off his game. I doubt Nadal will make it to the final though, everyone on the bottom half has a good chance of beating him. And I'm a Nadal fan :unsure:

Jlee
07-05-2006, 05:09 AM
I really really really want to see a Roger/Rafa final this year. IMO that would be the true test of whether the problems that Roger has with Rafa elsewhere are all mental like I suspect.

Vamos Rafa!

Dupuis2006
07-05-2006, 05:43 AM
he could, he could!

Just Cause
04-24-2007, 06:32 PM
Of course he can, and I think this is gonna be the year.

Eden
04-24-2007, 06:51 PM
Of course he can, and I think this is gonna be the year.

Will you be brave enough and start a bet like RFK who predicted that Rafa would win the AO and promised his parting from MTF?

lisaplenske
04-24-2007, 06:56 PM
no.There will always be better players than him who will beat him.His top spin game doesnt suit to Wimbledon.I even dont know how he did to reach the finale last year,made some vaudoo stuff perhaps:drink:

no seriously federer is still the strongest ,roddick is the second one.Djokovic,Murray would do better than him this year.Gasquet too.

Allstar
04-24-2007, 07:00 PM
Arguably his best chance will be these next couple of years. You have to expect some decent grass courters to come along in the next couple of years. The current crop is terrible, federer aside

~Marija~
04-24-2007, 08:18 PM
Until Roger plays, Rafa won't win it !

Sunset of Age
04-24-2007, 08:36 PM
Will you be brave enough and start a bet like RFK who predicted that Rafa would win the AO and promised his parting from MTF?

and if so, will you have the balls to actually KEEP your promise? :p

thrust
04-24-2007, 09:03 PM
Had Nadal served out the second set, when he had the chance in last year^s Wimbledon, I think he would have won that match. He didn^t but it showed he has the game to win Wimbledon. I woukd not be surprised if Rafa won it this year.

jazar
04-24-2007, 09:12 PM
he can, but he won't, cos when it comes to any surface but clay there are numerous people who can vanquish him

RagingLamb
04-24-2007, 09:20 PM
Sure he can. It won't be easy for him, but he can do it.

SBruguera
04-24-2007, 09:51 PM
Yes he can as most of the tops can win any major. It´s only that the odds are very slim for that to happen.

Sunset of Age
04-24-2007, 10:10 PM
Only the tops? :awww:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Game, Set, Match - J'torian!

Metis
04-24-2007, 10:11 PM
Only the tops? :awww:

Well, you have to be in an agressive position to win on grass. :tape:

SBruguera
04-24-2007, 10:27 PM
Only the tops? :awww:

Yes, only the top 300 :haha:

Metis
04-24-2007, 10:41 PM
What does that make Borg, then? :aplot: :tape:

The master of Kama Sutra? :shrug:

MaryWalsh
04-25-2007, 01:00 AM
I definitely think Rafa can, and will win Wimbledon eventually. Probably not for a couple of years however. His serve will need to improve and his net play. But what he has going for him is youth, motivation, mental strength, and a great work ethic, as well as excellent reflexes. I think he already has a general sense of what will be required. There is no doubt in my mind that Fed is better on grass than Rafa, Fed is better than everyone. But over time I expect Rafa's play on grass to improve. I see him mastering the serve and volley for example, and have seen the beginning steps for this. I look forward to watching his progress.

Sunset of Age
04-25-2007, 01:18 AM
I definitely think Rafa can, and will win Wimbledon eventually. Probably not for a couple of years however. His serve will need to improve and his net play. But what he has going for him is youth, motivation, mental strength, and a great work ethic, as well as excellent reflexes. I think he already has a general sense of what will be required. There is no doubt in my mind that Fed is better on grass than Rafa, Fed is better than everyone. But over time I expect Rafa's play on grass to improve. I see him mastering the serve and volley for example, and have seen the beginning steps for this. I look forward to watching his progress.

Good post. I fully agree.
It may not be happening as long as Rogi's still around, but I definitely believe Raf has the abilities, the tools, the will, etc. to one day win Wimbly, exactly because of the reasons you just pointed out.

As much as anything, I truly adore Raf's WILLINGNESS to one day win Wimbly - and I believe that indeed will one day enable him to persue his dream.

sunsfuns
04-25-2007, 02:22 AM
Not very likely. Let's be honest - his defense oriented style of play is ill suited for grass. Last year he had a perfect draw and didn't have to play any big servers (aside from inexperienced Kendrick) until the final.

Of course pigs do fly occasionally - just remember Gaudio's FO or Johanson's AO...

Halba
04-25-2007, 06:44 AM
He can get into the final this year. His intensity level is very high in the rallies. Wimbledon has slowed down enough for Rafa to do well. He can control the rallies with his forehand.

Rafa in good form on any surface > At another level than the rest

Sign that rafa is in good form- playing closer to the baseline and attacking the net. This is what Rafa should do more often. Gives him the ability to dictate with his forehand and he is in full control.

sssss
04-25-2007, 08:14 AM
Coming to the question, I feel that Rafa can definitely win Wimbledon as was proved last year when he reached final and threatened to take away the title from Roger (fortunately did not happen).

But I will be happy if he does not win because I do not like him. I do not like his constant screamings, shoutings, yellings and fist pumpings. And I feel that the public is very biased in their likeness towards Nadal. When Nadal does anything, it appears good and correct in people's eyes. I don't know why. But when someone like Hewitt yells comeons, he is hated by everyone. Why this double standards is simply beyond me.

To conclude, my head says that Nadal will win Wimbledon but my heart does not like Nadal winning.

Solid_Snake
04-25-2007, 09:22 AM
No, he will win the french many times but he will never win any other grandslams.

oz_boz
04-25-2007, 09:27 AM
With a draw like the one in IW, and at a time when Fed has declined significantly, he can. Time is on Nadal's side, plus the fact that the grass season is short, thus fewer players will specialise on it.

scarecrows
04-25-2007, 09:28 AM
not is Hernandez is on his side of the draw

Action Jackson
04-25-2007, 09:30 AM
not is Hernandez is on his side of the draw

That's the right answer.

ginnylegend
04-25-2007, 10:06 AM
More chance that Fedtool has of winning RG that's for sure.

leng jai
04-25-2007, 11:13 AM
Even if he isn't in King Oscar's side of the draw he has to beat play him eventually. And we know what the result will be, mmmm triple bagel.

FluffyYellowBall
04-25-2007, 11:50 AM
He's the only clay courter mentally ready to win wimbledon. He wont have to completely change his game but he can mix things up very well and thats a talent. Im not saying that he can play equally well on all surfaces, i mean that he can use tactics and change his game in a way that he can adapt to. A bad example of that is roddick who cant get away with winning a match serving and volleying or lasting long in rallies. Hes still got HUGE advantages on grass with his game as it is on clay. Foot work, speed, defensive play, and his passing shots are definately needed and are what brought him close to taking federer to five sets in the Wimbledon final.. That smash he missed for set point:eek: :confused:

hitchhiker
04-25-2007, 12:26 PM
no nadal can't win wimbledon. Reason is that it could be a danger to a lot of people:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Police called to a Long Island man's house discovered the mummified remains of the resident, dead for more than a year, sitting in front of his turned on tv.

Authorities said they found a turned on DVD player that was playing Nadal grass court matches over and over on repeat play. Police, suspicious as to where the man may have obtained so many clips of boring baseline grass court play are investigating a person known only as "Just Cause" whose DNA was found in semen samples collected from the covers on several of the disks.

The officials have issued a warning that watching clips of Nadal on a grass court can be dangerous and have been known to put people into hypnotic catatonic coma if overdosed - which is apparently what happened to the deceased victim.

If charged and convicted "Just Cause" faces life in prison. The judge stipulated he would have tennis TV privileges but will be allowed only to watch one set of tennis for the rest of his life.
The opening set of 2006 Wimbledon final.

Sunset of Age
04-25-2007, 12:38 PM
^^ :haha: :haha: :haha:

neme6
04-27-2007, 02:11 PM
and Federer should be even better this year at wimbledon, I think that all hhis changes he made to his game, his backhand less flat, his serve and volley, suits more the grass court, he should be even better.

Marek.
04-27-2007, 03:23 PM
He's the only clay courter mentally ready to win wimbledon. He wont have to completely change his game but he can mix things up very well and thats a talent. Im not saying that he can play equally well on all surfaces, i mean that he can use tactics and change his game in a way that he can adapt to. A bad example of that is roddick who cant get away with winning a match serving and volleying or lasting long in rallies. Hes still got HUGE advantages on grass with his game as it is on clay. Foot work, speed, defensive play, and his passing shots are definately needed and are what brought him close to taking federer to five sets in the Wimbledon final.. That smash he missed for set point:eek: :confused:

When did Nadal ever miss a smash on set point? That match was never close to going five sets.

Byrd
04-27-2007, 03:33 PM
I think whilst Fed is around, no one including Rafa will get their hands on wimbledon. After that I think a massive vacuum will open with Fed gone and this is the best opportunity for everyone including Rafa to pick up a Wimbledon trophy whilst a dominant individual isn't around like fed e.g Hewitt is the perfect example in the years between Sampras and Fed's reigns.

Sexysova
04-27-2007, 04:16 PM
if roger will play W Nadal hasn't got a chance :)

oz_boz
04-28-2007, 12:36 PM
hitchhiker back :woohoo:

nicole_s
04-28-2007, 12:39 PM
no,he cant because of federer,and when roger retires,ancic will win wimbledon :rocker2:

Burrow
04-28-2007, 01:04 PM
He can yes, but Kucera could come out of retirement and win it. The question is, will he? I cant say because his next wimbledon he will be 21, he is very young and can improve many aspects of his game. If he is 27 without a Wimbledon title, the answer for me,is no.

Burrow
04-28-2007, 01:06 PM
When did Nadal ever miss a smash on set point? That match was never close to going five sets.

Not sure if it was set point but he hit a smash and it came off the bottom of te strings meaning the vibration dampener came flying off over to the opposite side line judges. It was a pretty shocking miss.

stebs
04-28-2007, 01:28 PM
Not sure if it was set point but he hit a smash and it came off the bottom of te strings meaning the vibration dampener came flying off over to the opposite side line judges. It was a pretty shocking miss.

I think it gave Roger a break in the fourth set. It doesn't matter thougy because Roger ended up getting another break and generally outplayed Nadal in that set. That match was nowhere near going five. The only time Nadal was level with Federer that day was at 0-0 in the first set.

Can Nadal win Wimbledon. Yes, I think so. It is my opinion that anyoen who can reach the final of a particular GS can win that GS assuming they aren't the srot who choke in big finals all the time but will he? I think that's about 50/50. Fact is, on grass, luck HAS to be on his side to get to the final because he isn't the best on grass or even the second best.

WatchOut
04-28-2007, 01:38 PM
Yes he can, but has to really try.Grass is obviously Federer's great surface and has the tactics that suite grass.Roddick could be a small danger for Nadal too, and offcourse other players like Davydenko, Ljubicic are also a big threat.But there's always a chance.

nicole_s
04-28-2007, 03:40 PM
Yes he can, but has to really try.Grass is obviously Federer's great surface and has the tactics that suite grass.Roddick could be a small danger for Nadal too, and offcourse other players like Davydenko, Ljubicic are also a big threat.But there's always a chance.

are you serious?ljubo and davydenko threats on grass?:rolleyes: :haha:

Roger The Great
04-28-2007, 04:27 PM
It's an interesting question. Rafa proved last year that he can overcome his lack of natural grass court talents (a la Agassi) by reaching the final. The fact is that there aren't a lot of great grass courters around right now to give him a lot of trouble. Guys who usually give Rafa fits such as Blake and Youzhny aren't great on the grass. Still, I think the draw has to be right for Rafa. I think he has to avoid guys like Berdych, Ancic, Gasquet, Roddick, and especially Fed. But if the draw falls his way again, I absolutely think he could.

Pfloyd
04-28-2007, 04:52 PM
A big booster that helps Nadal on Wimbledon is the clay season.

A lot of Rafa's game comes from his confidence, and after the clay season, Rafa is the single most confident player in the world. This attitude and determination WILL help Nadal on grass. I think Nadal can win Wimbledon once in his carreer.

GlennMirnyi
05-08-2007, 02:05 AM
no nadal can't win wimbledon. Reason is that it could be a danger to a lot of people:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Police called to a Long Island man's house discovered the mummified remains of the resident, dead for more than a year, sitting in front of his turned on tv.

Authorities said they found a turned on DVD player that was playing Nadal grass court matches over and over on repeat play. Police, suspicious as to where the man may have obtained so many clips of boring baseline grass court play are investigating a person known only as "Just Cause" whose DNA was found in semen samples collected from the covers on several of the disks.

The officials have issued a warning that watching clips of Nadal on a grass court can be dangerous and have been known to put people into hypnotic catatonic coma if overdosed - which is apparently what happened to the deceased victim.

If charged and convicted "Just Cause" faces life in prison. The judge stipulated he would have tennis TV privileges but will be allowed only to watch one set of tennis for the rest of his life.
The opening set of 2006 Wimbledon final.

And hitchhiker's back.

D Optimist
05-08-2007, 02:46 AM
No,because he use to much the forehand .So , he must run a lot...on the grass - he slip.

pladao
05-08-2007, 03:59 AM
No,because he use to much the forehand .So , he must run a lot...on the grass - he slip.


Did you see battle of surfaces last week?

Rafa's backhand winners > Federer's
Rafa's net points > Federer's

I know it's only exo. But it told something.:rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
05-08-2007, 04:03 AM
Did you see battle of surfaces last week?

Rafa's backhand winners > Federer's
Rafa's net points > Federer's

I know it's only exo. But it told something.:rolleyes:

Yeah, it has told something: SHUT UP. :wavey:

merlin
05-08-2007, 05:09 AM
Can he? yes.

Will he? It depends on whether anyone else steps up on grass after Fed starts to fade and/or whether a freak occurrence of injury/inspiration works in Rafa's favor.

Merton
05-08-2007, 06:38 AM
Yes, exhibitions provide extremely valuable information, after Seoul last year Roger would never lose to Nadal again ever until retirement and after Majorca Nadal will be the favourite against Roger on grass.

Oh, I forgot to mention that there are some excellent land lots in Antarctica that will be premium seaside resorts in the near future.

supertommyhaas
05-08-2007, 12:45 PM
no because federer is too good on graas.

jenanun
05-08-2007, 01:19 PM
no because federer is too good on graas.

maybe reason that federer cannot win RG is because nadal is too good on clay,

but if nadal cannot win wimbledon, the reason is not because of federer.......

neme6
05-08-2007, 01:25 PM
he can if Fed loses early, which would be the surprise of the century, but from what I've seen when he was playing on te battle of the surfaces, he has alot to do to be a strong contender.

t0x
05-08-2007, 01:41 PM
He has a small chance....

But i'd say their are too many players who can beat him on grass...

Medina
05-08-2007, 02:06 PM
No.. He is a Marvelous claycourter i give him that. But his style of play isnt very affective on grass, THe same as any other court. I was a bit shoked when he won IW, to tell u the truth

jtipson
05-08-2007, 02:09 PM
maybe reason that federer cannot win RG is because nadal is too good on clay,

but if nadal cannot win wimbledon, the reason is not because of federer.......

Well, it was last year :)

Bascule
03-31-2008, 08:35 AM
My friend told me: let's just Rafa win Wimbledon, take the top spot at least for a week and then, Novak can take the rest.;)
What are the chances for Nadal to achieve his goal? And we know this is the dream of every player (as for the fans).
I think Rafa has the chance.

FedFan_2007
03-31-2008, 08:42 AM
Not this year, Roger still owns Wimbly.

Bad Religion
03-31-2008, 08:48 AM
Wimbledon is for mugs

Roland Garros is the real deal

Exodus
03-31-2008, 09:01 AM
never his not getting better and younger. Lot of powerful servers that could wipe him out like a bug. probably gonna lose before the 4 rnd

bokehlicious
03-31-2008, 09:32 AM
My friend told me: let's just Rafa win Wimbledon, take the top spot at least for a week and then, Novak can take the rest.;)

Hahaha delusional fanboy that already writes off the Master... :rolleyes: :zzz:

Richie_Rich
03-31-2008, 09:47 AM
I dont think he will win it this year but once again i think he will come pretty close.

finishingmove
03-31-2008, 11:08 AM
My friend told me: let's just Rafa win Wimbledon, take the top spot at least for a week and then, Novak can take the rest.;)


typical serbian, your friend. the statement would be a perfect stereotype if u'd just added a :beer: instead of :wink: at the end.

unfortunately thats not how it works. i'd say he might win it , but definitely not this year.

Ferrero Forever
03-31-2008, 11:23 AM
Rafa's got everything it takes to win Wimbledon, and I'd love to see him win it. But saying that, I think his chances might have come and gone already to win it, just like Federer and Roland Garros. They're both extremely capable, but time might have won this race. I hope I'm proven wrong

FNT
03-31-2008, 11:30 AM
I don't think he will. I like and respect Rafa, but it still seems to me that he was lucky last year with all those injuries to his opponents. He might have a shot this year if Fed isn't 100%, but I'm guessing he will tune up come July.
He's been a pro for quite some time now, he's starting to take hits physically. Nah, I don't think he'll make it.

Rogiman
03-31-2008, 12:10 PM
No and never :shrug:

scarecrows
03-31-2008, 12:21 PM
Rafa's got everything it takes to win Wimbledon

I though good serve and decent volleys were the main requisites to do well at Wimbledon :scratch:

Bascule
03-31-2008, 12:22 PM
typical serbian, your friend. the statement would be a perfect stereotype if u'd just added a :beer: instead of :wink: at the end.

unfortunately thats not how it works. i'd say he might win it , but definitely not this year.

P. Antonius:
Hahaha delusional fanboy that already writes off the Master...


Actually, this friend of mine is not Serbian at all and not even Novak fan. He is very popular poster on MTF.

bokehlicious
03-31-2008, 01:15 PM
P. Antonius:


Actually, this friend of mine is not Serbian at all and not even Novak fan. He is very popular poster on MTF.

Tell your friend to learn a bit about the sport if he's an MTF poster :o ;)

Bascule
03-31-2008, 01:18 PM
Tell your friend to learn a bit about the sport if he's an MTF poster :o ;)

Doesn't have to. He was in sport and he knows a lot about it.:D

rafa_maniac
03-31-2008, 01:25 PM
It's silly to proclaim he will NEVER win Wimbledon, he's made the finals the past two years and came damn close to winning it last year, he's the second favourite as I see it and if Federer's form continus to dwindle and Rafa has another excellent clay season, he could certainly manage it this year. That said, I do have the feeling his best chance came and went last year sadly...

DrJules
03-31-2008, 01:28 PM
Rafa's got everything it takes to win Wimbledon, and I'd love to see him win it. But saying that, I think his chances might have come and gone already to win it, just like Federer and Roland Garros. They're both extremely capable, but time might have won this race. I hope I'm proven wrong

Nadal is still very young - only 21/22.

bokehlicious
03-31-2008, 01:32 PM
Doesn't have to. He was in sport and he knows a lot about it.:D

Wrong. If that was the case he wouldn't have written Fed off already :devil: ;)

Sunset of Age
03-31-2008, 01:52 PM
Rafa's got everything it takes to win Wimbledon, and I'd love to see him win it. But saying that, I think his chances might have come and gone already to win it, just like Federer and Roland Garros. They're both extremely capable, but time might have won this race. I hope I'm proven wrong

Well, I think there's a lot more chance of Rafa winning Wimbledon - perhaps even this year - than there is of Roger winning RG. But you may well be right, although I think it's a bit premature to write either of them off right now. Rafa is still very young, and he IS improving his game (if he keeps on serving like he did yesterday... WOW!), and Roger is struggling with his health right now. I hope both of them will be able to surprise me, if not this year, then next year please. :D

Branimir
03-31-2008, 01:54 PM
Rafa was lucky last year that Djokovic body is made of sugar or something. I still don't understand how did he make it to finals. Anyway he needs much flatter forehand, better backhand, decent volleys and much better serve to win it. Him making finals last year, just shows how ATP is struggling with quality these years.

Bascule
03-31-2008, 02:19 PM
Wrong. If that was the case he wouldn't have written Fed off already :devil: ;)

But, he didn't have written Fed off, he was just talking about his wishes. :)

stebs
03-31-2008, 02:22 PM
He may have his chances but for sure he missed a big one last year and I think it will come to haunt him. I can't really see him making a third straight final.

bokehlicious
03-31-2008, 02:31 PM
But, he didn't have written Fed off, he was just talking about his wishes. :)

My grandma wishes I was a multiple slam winner. I don't open a new thread in GM to state her opinion though :)

tennizen
03-31-2008, 02:36 PM
I am surprised by some of the comments here. In 2006 everybody claimed he had an easy draw. In 2007 he won against most of his nemesis and he is written off that all of them had injuries. Everybody said that 2006 Wimbledon final was a fluke. He made it again in 2007. A GS final is not a joke and there is no guarantee that he will get there again. But other than Federer, he has the next best chance going by past results. And Federer is still the favorite by far but he is going to have to lose at Wimbledon sometime.

Bascule
03-31-2008, 02:41 PM
My grandma wishes I was a multiple slam winner. I don't open a new thread in GM to state her opinion though :)

Well, as you see, this is the thread about world no.2 winning the slam, not about an unknown grandma's boy as you are. So, please, stop talking nonsense anymore.

Clay Death
03-31-2008, 02:46 PM
But, he didn't have written Fed off, he was just talking about his wishes. :)


nice avatar.

bokehlicious
03-31-2008, 02:50 PM
Well, as you see, this is the thread about world no.2 winning the slam, not about an unknown grandma's boy as you are. So, please, stop talking nonsense anymore.

This thread is about one of your friend's (dumb) opinion. Is his opinion worthier than my grandma's? :confused:

The Pro
03-31-2008, 02:50 PM
I think Nadal will win it this year, and people will detract from it by saying it's because of an ill Federer.

Never the less, he SHALL win one day. Anyone who can trouble Fed like he did on the green is destined to conquer there one day, and he's only 21.

Clay Death
03-31-2008, 02:51 PM
It's silly to proclaim he will NEVER win Wimbledon, he's made the finals the past two years and came damn close to winning it last year, he's the second favourite as I see it and if Federer's form continus to dwindle and Rafa has another excellent clay season, he could certainly manage it this year. That said, I do have the feeling his best chance came and went last year sadly...


he will have it within 2 years. you can make book on that.

rafa_maniac
03-31-2008, 02:54 PM
he will have it within 2 years. you can make book on that.

God I hope so. I'd be really happy just to see him at least get Queens this year. He's done so well on grass the past two years he deserves to be a grass court title holder.

daddy
03-31-2008, 03:09 PM
Rafa has no chances whatsoever to win another GS.... He's falling apart! If he gets to the semi-final of RG I'll consider that a huge success.

Clay Death
03-31-2008, 03:09 PM
God I hope so. I'd be really happy just to see him at least get Queens this year. He's done so well on grass the past two years he deserves to be a grass court title holder.


we still have time on our side. Fed only has extinction to look forward to.

Iván
03-31-2008, 03:12 PM
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/09/YouzhnyR_228x135.jpg

Nadals expression says it all

anon57
03-31-2008, 03:37 PM
He's still young so he'll have a number of chances left. He's also been one of the best grass-players over the last two years so he's definately one of the contenders for the Wimbledon title. I think he will win a Wimbledon title eventually but I don't know when.

Heavenseventeen
03-31-2008, 04:04 PM
This Year. After the bad times comes the good, so after last year's disappointment then it makes sense for him to win this year.

ionah
03-31-2008, 04:42 PM
no

ionah
03-31-2008, 04:53 PM
nole for wimbledon

jonny84
03-31-2008, 05:56 PM
Not this year. But Nadal is improving all the time on grass, and was so close at the 2007 Wimbledon. I think that if Federer is out of his way at the tournament and he is still playing at a high level he can do it.

Merton
03-31-2008, 06:31 PM
I am pretty sure that Ron had a thread about this. The search button is your friend.

jcempire
03-31-2008, 06:31 PM
I hope he do it

If nadal got it, He will catch No 1 Ranking

Bascule
03-31-2008, 06:37 PM
I am pretty sure that Ron had a thread about this. The search button is your friend.

I tried in search, but nothing...And Ron is not my friend.

Corey Feldman
03-31-2008, 06:40 PM
His chance has gone, sad to say for some ppl.

nashty
03-31-2008, 06:40 PM
He was in the final for the last two years.
He was really close to winning it last year.
So I guess, it's a W this year!:D

Corey Feldman
03-31-2008, 06:41 PM
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/09/YouzhnyR_228x135.jpg

Nadals expression says it allone of the most classic matches of my life !!!!

in that fourth set Youz just couldnt miss a winner :lol:

Merton
03-31-2008, 06:45 PM
I tried in search, but nothing...And Ron is not my friend.

It seems you didn't try too hard http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=78852

Xristos
03-31-2008, 06:47 PM
One day he will..

Bascule
03-31-2008, 06:55 PM
It seems you didn't try too hard http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=78852

:eek:seems so:eek:

l_mac
03-31-2008, 07:02 PM
I don't think he will. I like and respect Rafa, but it still seems to me that he was lucky last year with all those injuries to his opponents. He might have a shot this year if Fed isn't 100%, but I'm guessing he will tune up come July.
He's been a pro for quite some time now, he's starting to take hits physically. Nah, I don't think he'll make it.

I though good serve and decent volleys were the main requisites to do well at Wimbledon :scratch:

Rafa was lucky last year that Djokovic body is made of sugar or something. I still don't understand how did he make it to finals. Anyway he needs much flatter forehand, better backhand, decent volleys and much better serve to win it. Him making finals last year, just shows how ATP is struggling with quality these years.

He may have his chances but for sure he missed a big one last year and I think it will come to haunt him. I can't really see him making a third straight final.

Rafa has no chances whatsoever to win another GS.... He's falling apart! If he gets to the semi-final of RG I'll consider that a huge success.

I hope he do it

If nadal got it, He will catch No 1 Ranking


Quality :cool:

FluffyYellowBall
03-31-2008, 07:42 PM
I think he can come close again..He got to 2 finals and seems to like grass more than hard courts so why not. Last year i didnt thin he could make the final again but he did and even got closer so I hope he does it this year..

stebs
03-31-2008, 07:51 PM
Quality :cool:

You think it's outrageous to say Nadal missed a big chance last year and I don't see him making a final this year? Either explain or don't make such a smug post.

l_mac
03-31-2008, 07:57 PM
You think it's outrageous to say Nadal missed a big chance last year and I don't see him making a final this year? Either explain or don't make such a smug post.

What? It wasn't smug. They were quality for different reasons. 2 were ridiculous, one was annoying, one was amusing, one was fair and one was jcempire.

I'll let you decide which yours was.

FluffyYellowBall
03-31-2008, 08:02 PM
lol I mac. I wouldnt sense the sarcasm if i didnt know ur posts!

stebs
03-31-2008, 08:04 PM
What? It wasn't smug. They were quality for different reasons. 2 were ridiculous, one was annoying, one was amusing, one was fair and one was jcempire.

I'll let you decide which yours was.

:ras:

l_mac
03-31-2008, 08:06 PM
:ras:

:D

Aren't two of your favourites playing each other right now?

Too nervous to watch? ;)

stebs
03-31-2008, 08:08 PM
:D

Aren't two of your favourites playing each other right now?

Too nervous to watch? ;)

I am watching.

(and I'm not Barry Cowan :haha:)

The Pro
03-31-2008, 10:18 PM
What? It wasn't smug. They were quality for different reasons. 2 were ridiculous, one was annoying, one was amusing, one was fair and one was jcempire.

I'll let you decide which yours was.

Linda you smugtard! :lol:

Well, we'll see them eat their words in July.

Ma Baker
03-31-2008, 10:43 PM
Nadal will win Wimbledon this year, Roger will win RG and Novak USO :angel:

Mansave_75
04-01-2008, 12:09 AM
Let's hope Nadal can win both RG and Wimby.

milkidy
04-01-2008, 02:00 AM
much easier than Roger gets a RG, but still never.health problem maybe

dan_the_man1983
04-01-2008, 05:56 AM
Yes in the next 2 years.

Clay Death
04-01-2008, 06:24 AM
Let's hope Nadal can win both RG and Wimby.


he will do it. my best guess is that it will be done in 2009.

Clay Death
05-02-2008, 07:13 AM
How do you like Nadal`s chances on grass this year? Borg has said that Nadal could win at Wimby this year. What would it take for Nadal to win there? Do you see him winning there or is it just Fed`s deal all the way.

Finally, who are some of the players that could derail Nadal on grass this year? Is Roddick a better grass court player than Nadal?

thoughts? my own view is that he has to improve in certain technical areas if he wants Wimby:

1. he most improve his return of serve on grass
2. He needs to be more confident at the net
3. he needs a better sliced backhand

FedFan_2007
05-02-2008, 07:23 AM
I thought grass was for cows?

rafa_maniac
05-02-2008, 07:23 AM
Well of course he CAN. Back to back finals, and in one, he was really the better player against Federer from the middle of the first set, to the middle of the fifth, however Federer served exceptionally well and played the bigger points better. He has done a wonderful job the last two years adapting his game to grass (why oh why then can't he do the same on hardcourts...), playing more agressively, using his backhand as a weapon, serving faster, even coming to the net a fair bit etc... It all comes down to fine tuning and excecution.

He usually comes off the clay season overflowig with confidence, so if the same happens this year, he certainly has a great shot at another final. Those who could derail him along the way are big serves having a good day, Roddick, Berdych, Djokovic etc... The thing is that Nadal moves so much better than them on grass and in a best of five set format he has time to battle his way out of trouble (Kendrick, Soderling, Youzhny...). Right now I think he can definately win it this year, especially if monofed continues to rear its ugly head.

Clay Death
05-02-2008, 07:30 AM
Well of course he CAN. Back to back finals, and in one, he was really the better player against Federer from the middle of the first set, to the middle of the fifth, however Federer served exceptionally well and played the bigger points better. He has done a wonderful job the last two years adapting his game to grass (why oh why then can't he do the same on hardcourts...), playing more agressively, using his backhand as a weapon, serving faster, even coming to the net a fair bit etc... It all comes down to fine tuning and excecution.

He usually comes off the clay season overflowig with confidence, so if the same happens this year, he certainly has a great shot at another final. Those who could derail him along the way are big serves having a good day, Roddick, Berdych, Djokovic etc... The thing is that Nadal moves so much better than them on grass and in a best of five set format he has time to battle his way out of trouble (Kendrick, Soderling, Youzhny...). Right now I think he can definately win it this year, especially if monofed continues to rear its ugly head.

good post and great avatar.

i think you are spot on with the exception of Berdych. Berdych is done as far as Nadal is concerned. last match on grass was a real beat down. Nadal also gunned him down in Miami.

his top rivals on grass are Fed, Roddick, and Djokovic. he can only face Fed in the final so the trick is to get to the semis and find a way to get by Djokovic or Roddick. Nalby continues to disappoint. just get him cheese burgers.

here is my prediction: if Nadal is in the finals again this year, he takes the title. first 3 matches may be tricky as he gets acclimated to grass which is fast in the earlier rounds.

Machiavelli
05-02-2008, 07:33 AM
DOn't forget about Ancic, grass is his surface, he missed Wimbledon last year due to injury, he is back, and with a good draw, that means avoiding Federers part of the draw, he can go very far, he would be defintely the one to beat, and he is a better grasscourt player then Rafa, Nole, Roddick or Berdych...

Clay Death
05-02-2008, 07:34 AM
I thought grass was for cows?

then go find it and start grazing.

Clay Death
05-02-2008, 07:45 AM
DOn't forget about Ancic, grass is his surface, he missed Wimbledon last year due to injury, he is back, and with a good draw, that means avoiding Federers part of the draw, he can go very far, he would be defintely the one to beat, and he is a better grasscourt player then Rafa, Nole, Roddick or Berdych...


Ancic is having a tough time on clay. i expect him to make a good showing on grass.

you are right. right/favorable draw matters.

rafa_maniac
05-02-2008, 07:51 AM
If Rafa could get to the Queens final this year that would be an immense help. It would give him that much more time to acclimatise to grass and help him avoid those long, gruelling first week battles at Wimbledon.

Clay Death
05-02-2008, 07:59 AM
If Rafa could get to the Queens final this year that would be an immense help. It would give him that much more time to acclimatise to grass and help him avoid those long, gruelling first week battles at Wimbledon.


the key to that is nice easy French Open title with all straight sets wins. hopefully he arrives at Queens not too spent. i believe he is playing both singles and doubles at Queens.

a favorable draw at Wimby is a must for Nadal. if he gets to the semis, one has to assume that has his teeth into the tournament and has adapted to grass. i like his chances against Roddick in a best of 5 sets match on grass.

it would help if Djokoic, Nalby, and Davydenko are in the other 1/2.

Allegretto
05-02-2008, 08:21 AM
Volandri is going to win Wimbledon this year, so no, he can't.

rafa_maniac
05-02-2008, 08:24 AM
Davy SUCKS big time on grass, I'd hope he's in Nadal's section so he can get *****. I'd favour Nadal to beat Djoko (again), Roddick is the big question mark and the two are probably the two run away contenders for the title of #2 on grass. A Rafa-Roddick Queens final would be a dream.

adee-gee
05-02-2008, 08:41 AM
DOn't forget about Ancic, grass is his surface, he missed Wimbledon last year due to injury, he is back, and with a good draw, that means avoiding Federers part of the draw, he can go very far, he would be defintely the one to beat, and he is a better grasscourt player then Rafa, Nole, Roddick or Berdych...
:lol:

Ancic is terribly overrated. He's decent on grass, but he wouldn't be favourite to beat Roddick, Djokovic or Nadal.

Foxy
05-02-2008, 08:49 AM
I don't know how well will Nadal do at Wimby but one thing is for sure there will be a new king this year.

FedFan_2007
05-02-2008, 08:51 AM
Chela is winning Wimby... :rocker:

FSRteam
05-02-2008, 10:09 AM
I think the draw will always make the difference for rafa. If he gets the same kind of draw fed had in 2006, then he sure won't make it to the finals! If he gets the same kind of "lucky" draws he got the last 2 years, then yes, he can surely win the title... I guess it is up to oncle tony ;)

FSRteam
05-02-2008, 10:12 AM
Also, I think murray could beat rafa and be a contender for the title... Just has to avoid media pressure!

Erica86
05-02-2008, 10:20 AM
DOn't forget about Ancic, grass is his surface, he missed Wimbledon last year due to injury, he is back, and with a good draw, that means avoiding Federers part of the draw, he can go very far, he would be defintely the one to beat, and he is a better grasscourt player then Rafa, Nole, Roddick or Berdych...

Ancic winning Wimbledon? No way. I saw him yesterday playing in Barcelona and apart from being tall and handsome...