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Clay Court Tennis = Lobotomy

DDrago2
06-12-2006, 02:39 PM
Oh gosh, only now I understand what watching clay court tennis can do to you! I'm watching Queens and just can't get into it. It is another game! A game that I forgot to apreciatte! On clay serve is not a serve, break is not a break, return is not a return, volley is not a volley... It's anti-tennis! The likes of Nadal are destroying this game! They make everything that is worthy and beautifull in this game look usseles! Now I have to get used to what this game realy is about!
If Nadal thinks he is something, let him come to Wimbledon and proove it - I'm not watching clay anymore!

alfonsojose
06-12-2006, 02:45 PM
Some matches on clay are great, but long topspin rallies ... :zzz:

Kristen
06-12-2006, 03:02 PM
Ouch. The red army could be out in force over this one.
By the way, you need to edit your signature. 'Lleyton Hewitt'. How strange that I should pick up on that...

I'm not a big fan of clay, but it is nice to have a variety of players who can do well on different surfaces. Tennis could get a little boring otherwise. More than it already is.

admiralpye
06-12-2006, 03:19 PM
LOL! This thread is the best! :P

Nadal and the other known claycourters didn't start the Open Era's claycourt season, dearie. Nor did they decide the year's schedule. They simply play their game. Blame the ATP/ITF, if you want.

And if you were truly a fan of the game, you'd appreciate the different nuances of tennis as it is played on different surfaces. Also, seeing your sig, your "great" Marat Safin once said "Grass is for cows." (Not a view I ascribe to, but it's funny you detest clay and like a player who prefers surfaces other than grass).

DDrago2
06-12-2006, 03:29 PM
admiralpye: Safin didn't say that. If I remeber well, Rios was the one. And when I said grass I principaly ment faster courts in general - and Safin likes fast courts such as carpet.

DDrago2
06-12-2006, 03:35 PM
Tennis could get a little boring otherwise. More than it already is.

Saying this...

Tom_Bombadil
06-12-2006, 04:01 PM
Oh gosh, only now I understand what watching clay court tennis can do to you! I'm watching Queens and just can't get into it. It is another game! A game that I forgot to apreciatte! On clay serve is not a serve, break is not a break, return is not a return, volley is not a volley... It's anti-tennis! The likes of Nadal are destroying this game! They make everything that is worthy and beautifull in this game look usseles! Now I have to get used to what this game realy is about!
If Nadal thinks he is something, let him come to Wimbledon and proove it - I'm not watching clay anymore!
:haha: :haha: :haha:

I've also seen the first set of the Gerry Webber Open match between Nieminen and this german guy with a difficult name. Yeah, that was tennis. :rolleyes: Serve and volley, serve and volley, double fault. The player who wasn't serving only did two points in the whole set. The rest were double faults. You could see from the people who was watching, they were having a really good time.

The_Rod
06-12-2006, 04:03 PM
Oh gosh, only now I understand what watching clay court tennis can do to you! I'm watching Queens and just can't get into it. It is another game! A game that I forgot to apreciatte! On clay serve is not a serve, break is not a break, return is not a return, volley is not a volley... It's anti-tennis! The likes of Nadal are destroying this game! They make everything that is worthy and beautifull in this game look usseles! Now I have to get used to what this game realy is about!
If Nadal thinks he is something, let him come to Wimbledon and proove it - I'm not watching clay anymore!

To right down with the Clay!!!:haha:

*Ljubica*
06-12-2006, 04:06 PM
Ouch. The red army could be out in force over this one.
By the way, you need to edit your signature. 'Lleyton Hewitt'. How strange that I should pick up on that...

I'm not a big fan of clay, but it is nice to have a variety of players who can do well on different surfaces. Tennis could get a little boring otherwise. More than it already is.
It isn't worth it Kristen:hug:

To me grass is the most boring surface going - just games that go 15-0. 30-0, 40-0, game - no variety or finesse or artistry at all.........:ras:

But everyone is different and entitiled to their own opinions. I loathe grass so I tend not to watch it and certainly not to go to see it live even though most of it is local to me - I just treat it as a kind of mid-season break where I can catch up on other things and save my money for the wonderful European clay court swing in July! Bastad, Suttgart, Umag, Sopot :inlove: I can't wait!

So - live and let live is what I say! If Ddrago loves grass so much - perhaps I should do a house-swop with him!

Pigpen Stinks
06-12-2006, 04:15 PM
I'm sure you're not old enough to remember, but those Sampras-Ivanisevic matches at Wimby were scintilliating tennis. Their entire matches consisted of 2 points that lasted more than 3 strikes of the ball.

Guybrush
06-12-2006, 04:23 PM
Oh gosh, only now I understand what watching clay court tennis can do to you! I'm watching Queens and just can't get into it. It is another game! A game that I forgot to apreciatte! On clay serve is not a serve, break is not a break, return is not a return, volley is not a volley... It's anti-tennis! The likes of Nadal are destroying this game! They make everything that is worthy and beautifull in this game look usseles! Now I have to get used to what this game realy is about!
If Nadal thinks he is something, let him come to Wimbledon and proove it - I'm not watching clay anymore!

True. Clay tennis is not tennis. It's extremly BORRING! :cuckoo:

Welcome grass season! :worship: :worship: :worship:

Kristen
06-12-2006, 04:33 PM
Saying this...
Excuse me? I don't know what you're referring to.
Do you mean I'm contradicting myself by saying that I find tennis boring? If so, let me explain myself, as I often do on the intelligence-filled GM.

Tennis is not exactly the manliest, toughest, or thrilling sport of them all. In fact, as far as sports go, I think it's terribly boring. All of it, not just clay. Somehow, I love it. Yet, I can also appreciate that other people like, or are good at, other surfaces. [/end]

PS. Thanks for fixing the sig ;)

AgassiDomination
06-12-2006, 05:09 PM
Hard is the best!!!

admiralpye
06-12-2006, 05:10 PM
Ddrago, I stand corrected:

"Grass is for cows" was coined in the 1960s by Manuel Santana and it has been echoed down the years by the likes of Ivan Lendl and Marcelo Rios among many others bamboozled by the lush lawns of SW19. (from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wimbledon2000/fans_guide/779996.stm)
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Safin had then said - "I give up on Wimbledon. It's not the tournament for me.I hate this. I can't move on grass. Every time I don't know how the ball is going to bounce, it's a real nightmare for me. So after a while, I just got bored. I lost motivation and gave up."

Safin, who famously said grass was "for cows" after he lost here in the first round in 2004... (from http://www.sportinglife.com/tennis/wimbledon2005/reviews/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=wimbledon/05/06/20/manual_202027.html)

He did say it, though. :)

alfonsojose
06-12-2006, 05:20 PM
Hard is the best!!!
:aplot: :kiss:

prima donna
06-12-2006, 05:22 PM
This is true.

Neely
06-12-2006, 05:24 PM
Disagree about that Nadal is destroying the game :ras: There could hardly be a better person who is challenging Federer on at least two surfaces. :yeah: :D

Clay requires other components in your game, especially regarding fitness and constructing your point because the rallies between the good players are long, but grass is also very underrated in a lot of aspects because you also have to adopt to a lot of things: bad bounces and natural surface like on clay, surface-specific movement, very fast reaction time because it's a faster game, incredibly good hand-eye coordination required, low bounce). You don't have the loads of time to prepare for your shots or for your returns like on clay because 'real' fast grass usually doesn't slow down the ball so much on the impact.

Clay vs grass, it's hard to compare and considering upon who is playing I can enjoy both. But for me the true thing to watch are the fast surfaces where a serve means something (at the same time it needs more returning skills) and where good offensive shots and taking some risk gets more likely rewarded than on a surface which takes out the speed of the ball.

Neely
06-12-2006, 05:34 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

I've also seen the first set of the Gerry Webber Open match between Nieminen and this german guy with a difficult name. Yeah, that was tennis. :rolleyes: Serve and volley, serve and volley, double fault. The player who wasn't serving only did two points in the whole set. The rest were double faults. You could see from the people who was watching, they were having a really good time.
Hard to say if they had enjoyed non-eventful 25+ shot rallies on clay with high, non-risky topspin balls 3 meters over the net more ;) There are enough examples that this does not necessarily mean it's automatically entertaining because not everybody as Nadal has such a drive and force in his topspin to make that dangerous and fun to watch.

fadou
06-12-2006, 05:39 PM
Ouch. The red army could be out in force over this one.
By the way, you need to edit your signature. 'Lleyton Hewitt'. How strange that I should pick up on that...

I'm not a big fan of clay, but it is nice to have a variety of players who can do well on different surfaces. Tennis could get a little boring otherwise. More than it already is.

me too i noticed the mistake on "hewitt" which was written like hewwit
but he changed quickly his name. :D :D :)

please don't say: clay = lobotomy tennis
each surface has their own originality
the match federer-nadal in rome was really good or the guga's game on this surface is good to see
me too also , i can say: grass=cows like a lot of players (safin, rios....) so it's easy to write that without any argument

Raquel
06-12-2006, 06:25 PM
I think tennis can be boring and mind-numbing on clay and grass. I don't think there's one set way tennis is played on both surfaces. Every match can be different, depending on the players. I like watching the clay season but sometimes watching the matches can literally be draining (Nadal v Mathieu at RG for example was a great match but I would have found it a real slog to sit for 5 hours in one go watching similiar rallies) If there was no grass season in between I don't think I would enjoy the clay season as much because I know there is a break, and it makes the clay season next year something to look forward to again.

Scotso
06-12-2006, 07:29 PM
How many threads do you need on this?

tennis_freak67
06-12-2006, 07:54 PM
How many threads do you need on this?

How many times do you need to complain?

Scotso
06-12-2006, 08:07 PM
How many times do you need to complain?

As many as it takes before people stop repeating threads 2352351235 times. :D

DDrago2
06-12-2006, 08:14 PM
"Repeating is the mother of learning"

madmanfool
06-12-2006, 08:52 PM
The real tennis is long gone, serve and volleyers are a distinct specie my dear friends.
I myself love grass, i would prefer a three shot rally(serve-return-volley) on grass above a 15 shot rally on clay anyday.
I find it disgusting that there is no master series tournament on grass and the season so short.
I can enjoy clay tennis a lot too(change is a nice thing too), but wet gravel is the worst for me, it's sooo slow.
If you like slow tennis be happy, grass at Wimbledon is slower every year. Compared to even just 5 years ago the difference is amasing, the ball just doesn't skid through as much as it used to. It plays more and more like a hardcourt. i think Queens is still the closest to 'real grass'.

(btw i like grass but i like good grass, Amersfoort is terrible)

Wasn't Agassi the first to say grass is for cows, but that changed a little bit when he won against Ivanisevic i guess?

*Viva Chile*
06-13-2006, 12:46 PM
grass game:
ACE 15-0
ACE 30-0
DF 30-15
serve and volley winner 40-15
ACE - GAME

How funny is grass game to watch!!! :ras: :rolleyes: :yawn: