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CmonAussie
06-12-2006, 03:34 AM
Hey there everyone :wavey: .

The French Open final last night was a pivotal moment in the careers of both Federer :sad: & Nadal :cool: . So Roger loses his 1st slam final despite a landslide opening set 6-1 :eek: ,then Rafa manages his usual role of escape artist & extends his dominance over Federer :( .

Lets get this straight Fed is still going to win his fair share of Slams in the next few years & I`m sure he`ll pass 10 in total- but his confidence has taken a beating. Especially after losing three successive finals to the same guy :o .Up until November 2005 Federer was on a record run of 24-consecutive wins in finals. Then he lost the TMC to Nalbandian & 4 other finals to Rafa. So Roger is 4-5 in finals over the last half-a-year.

I`ll cut to the chase>>> ;) :devil: ,as much as Federer has converted me into a fan I realise that psycholigically he`s taken a beating & this year`s Wimbledon is much more open than the previous couple of years...

I predict Old Rog won`t be able to make it 4-Wimby`s in a row. However Nadal is still not ready to win big on grass, so who are the other contenders...

Even if you don`t agree with me, lets say for hypothetical reasons, assuming Federer doesn`t manage to win Wimbledon again this year then who are the other contenders...

:worship: 1.Lleyton Hewitt, the timing is perfect, with all the attention on Roger & Rafa the former Rocky fighter can turn the tables & pull a surprise :D .
:rolleyes: 2.David Nalbandian, he`s certainly due for a major- you got to figure if he keeps knocking on the door eventually it`ll happen for him!!
;) 3.James Blake, his form has been good & he`s the Cinderalla story after the Rome accident a few years back. He likes fast hard courts- so why not grass :confused:
:eek: 4.Mario Ancic, we all know he`s mentally fragile but so was Gaudio before he nabbed the French a few years back, as a former SF you`ve got to rate him & the form is good..
:devil: 5.Ivan Ljubicic, I don`t really think he`ll do it but he has been improving in recent slams with a QF at AO & now a SF at FO :worship: .


I predict one of these five will win, meanwhile Roger & Rafa will both lose either at the QF or SF stage... As I said it`s just my hunch, but I`d appreciate any other fair dinkum opinions :wavey: ...

El Legenda
06-12-2006, 03:34 AM
Blake is not good on grass :)

El Legenda
06-12-2006, 03:37 AM
;) 3.James Blake, his form has been good & he`s the Cinderalla story after the Rome accident a few years back. He likes fast hard courts- so why not grass :confused:

Ljubicic LOVES fast hard courts, so why not grass? :confused:

CmonAussie
06-12-2006, 03:37 AM
Blake is not good on grass :)
:wavey:
Agassi was also crap on grass until he landed the 1992 Wimby title, beating a succession of classic serve-volleyers along the way :worship: .

CmonAussie
06-12-2006, 03:39 AM
Ljubicic LOVES fast hard courts, so why not grass? :confused:
Good point mate, sorry I left him off the list- I`ll edit it now ;) .

El Legenda
06-12-2006, 03:40 AM
Im expecting QF from Ivan, but if draw opens up again like FO, who knows :) the game is there, now he just needs to DO IT :)

Lee
06-12-2006, 03:42 AM
Will Nadal make it to Wimbledon final? His chance is slim, IMO.

And I really can't see any other players will give Roger any trouble in Wimbledon.

Lady Natalia
06-12-2006, 03:43 AM
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Then he lost the TMC to Nalbandian & 4 other finals to Rafa. So Roger is 4-5 in finals over the last half-a-year.



You're kidding. I remember hearing the same thing last year after Roger lost both the Aussie and RG. But a note in that 4-5 recent record in finals, he won one of the most important, AO and made it to the finals of other, RG.

I say all that to say, dont count Roger out. Roger is a champion on the level of Sampras and Graf, a whole another level.

CmonAussie
06-12-2006, 03:46 AM
Will Nadal make it to Wimbledon final? His chance is slim, IMO.

And I really can't see any other players will give Roger any trouble in Wimbledon.
:wavey:
Rafa won`t trouble Fed on grass but after the shattering loss & all the psychological energy that Roger put into winning this years French it means that this one`s looking like it might be up for grabs. IE., Federer will trouble himself at Wimbledon [only this year], as it`s difficult to regroup from losing so many finals recently~ he`s only human & yesterday proved it :sad: .

Merton
06-12-2006, 03:47 AM
It is as wide open as it was in 2004 and 2005.

Halba
06-12-2006, 03:48 AM
cmon mate....Everyone said roger was gone last year after the FO, but the FO is not the best way to rate roger

roger's gonna kick ass and win wimbly/USO for 5 years to come!

CmonAussie
06-12-2006, 03:49 AM
You're kidding. I remember hearing the same thing last year after Roger lost both the Aussie and RG. But a note in that 4-5 recent record in finals, he won one of the most important, AO and made it to the finals of other, RG.

I say all that to say, dont count Roger out. Roger is a champion on the level of Sampras and Graf, a whole another level.
:wavey:
I hope you`re right because, as I mentioned in my post, I`ve been converted into a Federer fan ;) .I was screaming at the TV 12-hours ago just like you mate :sad: ...

CmonAussie
06-12-2006, 03:51 AM
cmon mate....Everyone said roger was gone last year after the FO, but the FO is not the best way to rate roger

roger's gonna kick ass and win wimbly/USO for 5 years to come!
:wavey:
Good on ya cobber, happy to get your opinion :cool: - but do you seriously think Federer can dominate the Wimby/USO double for another half a decade :confused: .Surely the law of averages & injuries, plus pressure will make him crack every now and then....

Lee
06-12-2006, 03:52 AM
:wavey:
Rafa won`t trouble Fed on grass but after the shattering loss & all the psychological energy that Roger put into winning this years French it means that this one`s looking like it might be up for grabs. IE., Federer will trouble himself at Wimbledon [only this year], as it`s difficult to regroup from losing so many finals recently~ he`s only human & yesterday proved it :sad: .

I really can't see how Roger will lost his confidence or in trouble when the only player he lost to this year is Nadal and knowing in Wimbledon, he will likely not face Nadal. :rolleyes:

May be you're the one that needs this reinforcement. :tape:

atheneglaukopis
06-12-2006, 03:56 AM
cmon mate....Everyone said roger was gone last year after the FO, but the FO is not the best way to rate rogerOr maybe it is, if you consider that he made the final on his worst surface. :eek:

Lady Natalia
06-12-2006, 03:59 AM
:wavey:
I hope you`re right because, as I mentioned in my post, I`ve been converted into a Federer fan ;) .I was screaming at the TV 12-hours ago just like you mate :sad: ...

You're right. I am a bit wound up because of what occured yesterday. But I do think Roger will dominate the majority of the slams for the next 3-5 years if not more. He is really a rear talent. And people think Brad Gilbert is crazy and talks to much, but he knows tennis. And I agree with him when he says Roger can get to that Evert, Navratilova, Graf area of Grand Slams wins. Barring injuries, this will be Roger's fate.

BAMJ6
06-12-2006, 04:07 AM
and another storyline is Agassi's first Grand Slam since he made the USO final+his last Wimbledon. Also If his back holds up, can he come full circle like Sampras?

DDrago2
06-12-2006, 04:10 AM
Hey there everyone :wavey: .

The French Open final last night was a pivotal moment in the careers of both Federer :sad: & Nadal :cool: .

You took it too far realy


Lets get this straight Fed is still going to win his fair share of Slams in the next few years & I`m sure he`ll pass 10 in total- but his confidence has taken a beating.

It needs much more than a few clay matches lost from a fanatical teenager two shake Roger's confidence. A few wins in Halle is all he needs to forget Nadal's clay kingdom and enter his grass kingdom.
What is more, hurt pride can only do good to his motivation. Because of his defeat in RG, he probably feels he has even more right to win this years Wimby!

this year`s Wimbledon is much more open than the previous couple of years...
I predict Old Rog won`t be able to make it 4-Wimby`s in a row.

Every time Wimbledon was wide open. Remember how tightly Federer won Wimbledon 2004 against Roddick... He also had some luck not having to face Mario Ancic, Nalbandian and maybe a few others who could be tough for him on grass. It will be difficult, as it always was.

But I wouldn't count on Federer being mentaly exausted after RG. Remember that he is the boss in Wimbledon - the court belongs to him in a way, and he can use it to regain strentght.

Federer&Hingis
06-12-2006, 04:15 AM
Federer will win wimbledon again.

Argenbrit
06-12-2006, 04:51 AM
I think Hewitt, Nalbandian, Ljubicic, Ancic and even Roddick could have a chance to win.

A new GS winner, please. For a change. :)

JeNn
06-12-2006, 05:02 AM
Please, Federer is almost a lock for this. He's won 7 of the last 9 non-clay slams and just reached a final on his worst surface. In fact if it wasnt for Nadal who is an absolute freak, we would already be calling Federer the best player ever as he would probably have a couple of RG crowns by now. Let's not get over excited.

Clara Bow
06-12-2006, 05:19 AM
I don't think Nadal will be a story here. Ro16 or quarters if he has a good draw. He will be a non factor imo.

I think that that the stories will be Feds, Roddick, Ancic and Dima. I am claiming the bandwagon now (though this could be as good as the Almagro bandwagon at the FO) but I think Tursunov will cause some real trouble at Wimbley. He has the game.

If Nalby is in I will throw him into the lot. If he is in it- I will root for him, frankly, as the most talented since Rios who has not won a GS- but David can play on all surfaces- which makes him even more special imo.

If Nalby does not make it to the final- I will be full on rooting for Feds to repeat a 4th. Or Roddick to win- frakly I don't know- Nalby, Feds or Andy- from the US- that will make me happy. :)

Allez
06-12-2006, 06:19 AM
I have to agree with CmonAussie. I'm a big fan of Federer but I have a feeling that this loss means more to him than we think. It only takes one moment's lapse in concentration and you lose a match. That's all it takes and you're out of a tournament. Winning Grandslams is not just about sheer talent. The majority of it is all mental. Last year's RG can not be compared to this year's RG. Completely different. I hope he plays in Halle and wins to gain some confidence going into Wimbledon because you don't want to go into a GS with 3 or 4 successive tournament losses.

CmonAussie
06-12-2006, 07:03 AM
I have to agree with CmonAussie. I'm a big fan of Federer but I have a feeling that this loss means more to him than we think. It only takes one moment's lapse in concentration and you lose a match. That's all it takes and you're out of a tournament. Winning Grandslams is not just about sheer talent. The majority of it is all mental. Last year's RG can not be compared to this year's RG. Completely different. I hope he plays in Halle and wins to gain some confidence going into Wimbledon because you don't want to go into a GS with 3 or 4 successive tournament losses.
:wavey:
Thanks for backing me up Allez!
Yeah I`m not trying to be nasty with this thread, it`s certainly not Fed bashing- actually I`d be quite happy if he proves me wrong & wins the next few Slams :angel: .But as we can see he is human & the aura has been tarnished somewhat by the one-sided rivalry losing to Nadal :sad: .Even though clay is Roger`s worst surface we all know he was dreaming big this year, & losing the French was just a double kick in the guts following the similiar results in Dubai, Monte Carlo & Rome :( .Honestly Roger should have won both Dubai & Rome, but the fact is he didn`t, & every loss to Rafa just erodes the confidence a tad more.

:eek: Here`s a fact: before the Rome loss Federer had never lost succesive finals anywhere, anytime in his career- now he`s lost 3-straight :mad: .It`s just not easy to bounce back straight away after coming so close... Lleyton Hewitt knows the story :sad: ,Rocky Llegs is still struggling to bounce back after losing 5-succesive big finals [Cincinatti AMS, USO, TMC, AO, IW-AMS]. Coria is another example- he lost 4-in-a-row [Hamburg AMS, FO, Monte Carlo AMS, Rome AMS].When the big titles prove elusive it packs an extra sting :mad: .

Having said all that I still realise Federer is in a different league :worship: ,so he`ll definitely be winning another Slam in the next 12-months- though I doubt it will be the upcoming Wimbledon..

MariaV
06-12-2006, 07:13 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha:
Unless Mirka leaves him or he gets injured I don't see anyone beating Fed on grass and at the USO either tbh. Some guys may give him more of a fight (hopefully, Mario, Mitya please :angel:) but that's all.

Allez
06-12-2006, 05:56 PM
:wavey:
Thanks for backing me up Allez!
Yeah I`m not trying to be nasty with this thread, it`s certainly not Fed bashing- actually I`d be quite happy if he proves me wrong & wins the next few Slams :angel: .But as we can see he is human & the aura has been tarnished somewhat by the one-sided rivalry losing to Nadal :sad: .Even though clay is Roger`s worst surface we all know he was dreaming big this year, & losing the French was just a double kick in the guts following the similiar results in Dubai, Monte Carlo & Rome :( .Honestly Roger should have won both Dubai & Rome, but the fact is he didn`t, & every loss to Rafa just erodes the confidence a tad more.

:eek: Here`s a fact: before the Rome loss Federer had never lost succesive finals anywhere, anytime in his career- now he`s lost 3-straight :mad: .It`s just not easy to bounce back straight away after coming so close... Lleyton Hewitt knows the story :sad: ,Rocky Llegs is still struggling to bounce back after losing 5-succesive big finals [Cincinatti AMS, USO, TMC, AO, IW-AMS]. Coria is another example- he lost 4-in-a-row [Hamburg AMS, FO, Monte Carlo AMS, Rome AMS].When the big titles prove elusive it packs an extra sting :mad: .

Having said all that I still realise Federer is in a different league :worship: ,so he`ll definitely be winning another Slam in the next 12-months- though I doubt it will be the upcoming Wimbledon..

Once again, I have to completely agree with you mate :D People take it forgranted that Federer will always bounce back well as "he's done it before". Well as you say never before has he lost 4 successive finals before. Never has he lost a GS final before. Never has he lost to the same player 4 finals in a row. Things are different this year. I hope he can win Wimbledon because if he doesn't, everything would go downhill from there on out in terms of chasing and setting records. The pressure would just keep building up and up and up. :eek: :eek: :eek: This is probably the most important Wimbledon in his career and when I see players like Ancic and one dimensional Karlovic do se well on clay, I begin to wonder....

Lady Natalia
06-12-2006, 06:04 PM
Please, Federer is almost a lock for this. He's won 7 of the last 9 non-clay slams and just reached a final on his worst surface. In fact if it wasnt for Nadal who is an absolute freak, we would already be calling Federer the best player ever as he would probably have a couple of RG crowns by now. Let's not get over excited.


:worship: :worship: :worship:

atheneglaukopis
06-12-2006, 06:17 PM
Well as you say never before has he lost 4 successive finals before. Never has he lost a GS final before. Never has he lost to the same player 4 finals in a row.Those things are all true (including the fact that he still hasn't lost 4 successive finals). However other things are true as well, such as: never has he made the RG final, never has he made the MC final, and it's been three years since the one time he made the Rome final and when he did he lost in straight sets.

He's successfully defended Doha and back-to-back Indian Wells and Miami from last year, and he's picked up the Australian Open title. By this time last year he had lost to three different people; this year he's lost only to the one person who's left Vilas's streak in the dust and who will not be a factor during the grass season, and so far he's demolished the rest of the tour. So I don't see any reason he should be terribly worried about Wimbledon.

I agree that there will be some pressure as always, and he'll have to play well, but having improved his results during the clay season from any previous year will hardly shake his confidence during the grass season.

alfonsojose
06-12-2006, 06:23 PM
Ramirez-Hidalgo again :yeah:

Allez
06-12-2006, 06:29 PM
Those things are all true (including the fact that he still hasn't lost 4 successive finals).
Yes, of course Indian wells and Miami. Well thank god for James and Carlos :D Lets hope they keep up the good work in American summer hard court season because losing to the same player time and time again is just as bad as losing to everyone else. It's the titles that matter the most afterall. I still have hope and faith in Rogi. His talent is peerless. If only talent were enough...

rofe
06-12-2006, 09:09 PM
Right now the only conclusion I can make as a Fed fan is that Nadal is in Fed's head and on surfaces that suit Nadal's style (including slow HC), Fed has no hope of winning. Fed loves the green stuff and he has said time and time again that he will be able to overcome disappointing losses on clay because he knows that grass season is around the corner. I tend to believe Fed on this after his three consecutive wins at Wimbly following disappointing losses at the FO.

If you had asked me what I thought about his chances at AO 2007, I would say that all things being as they are currently, if he meets Nadal in the finals, he will lose.

Federerhingis
06-12-2006, 09:15 PM
:wavey:
Rafa won`t trouble Fed on grass but after the shattering loss & all the psychological energy that Roger put into winning this years French it means that this one`s looking like it might be up for grabs. IE., Federer will trouble himself at Wimbledon [only this year], as it`s difficult to regroup from losing so many finals recently~ he`s only human & yesterday proved it :sad: .

Plus he'l be trying to do something Mr Grass never managed to do win wimby 4 times in a row. This will be an even greater test; I believe he'l find it hard to make the finals.

Horatio Caine
06-12-2006, 10:58 PM
...I just have this feeling that Roger may fall foul of the 4-in-a-row Wimbledon crowns curse...or maybe I am just hopeful! :lol:

fenomeno2111
06-12-2006, 11:24 PM
Yeah, Wimbledon is wide open for a spot int he finals on the bottom half of the draw and then to receive a spanking by Roger......:o

atheneglaukopis
06-12-2006, 11:47 PM
...I just have this feeling that Roger may fall foul of the 4-in-a-row Wimbledon crowns curse...or maybe I am just hopeful! :lol:I wasn't aware there was a curse. :confused: I checked the list of champions and could find only one man, Fred Perry, who won three in a row but failed ever to win four in a row. In contrast, William Renshaw (6), Reginald Doherty (4), Lawrence Doherty (5), Anthony Wilding (4), Bjorn Borg (5), and Pete Sampras (4), all have done at least 4 in a row. Sampras failed the first time to win four in a row, but succeeded immediately after losing in '96, so I would call that an 8-in-a-row curse. :)

Federerhingis
06-13-2006, 12:24 AM
I wasn't aware there was a curse. :confused: I checked the list of champions and could find only one man, Fred Perry, who won three in a row but failed ever to win four in a row. In contrast, William Renshaw (6), Reginald Doherty (4), Lawrence Doherty (5), Anthony Wilding (4), Bjorn Borg (5), and Pete Sampras (4), all have done at least 4 in a row. Sampras failed the first time to win four in a row, but succeeded immediately after losing in '96, so I would call that an 8-in-a-row curse. :)

Yeah Navra failed to achieve this too. Quite astonishing. :worship:

atheneglaukopis
06-13-2006, 12:38 AM
Yeah Navra failed to achieve this too. Quite astonishing. :worship:
Looks like the women had more problems doing the four-in-a-row than the men. Interesting. Well, if it's a women's curse, I don't see why it should affect Federer.

kronus12
06-13-2006, 02:09 AM
Pressure? he just made the the final of a gslam which is played on a surface considered his worse. His record on clay this year is second only to the freak Rafal Nadal. And now hes going to be playing on his favorite surface grass which in my opinion will earn his 4th wimbledon title. His two most important things he wants to do every year is to win wimbledon and keep his number 1 ranking at the end of the year. Roger will suffer a little from the defeat from Nadal but trust me he will be all smiles when hits the grass.
And will use the tournament as a kick start to the us hardcourt season.
Yes wimbledon is wide open for the person to challenge roger in the final but the end will still be the same roger will be holding the cup again.
Roger is too damn good on grass. I love watching him play on it hes amazing.

anserq
06-13-2006, 02:16 AM
Federer got this.