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Rate Roger's Overall Skills.

Fedex
01-17-2004, 09:31 AM
Reality Ryan has given me a new idea. For once he actually supported something with a few facts. On a scale of 1-10 Rate his overall ability in areas such as FH, BH, Serve,Volley,Movement,mental strength. Now we dont have to be bised like other people and say he's perfect in everything, but i thought it would be interesting to hear you're opinions!

Fedex
01-17-2004, 09:35 AM
I'll give explanations later.
Serve 8.5
Volley 9.0
FH 10.0
BH 8.0
Movement 8.5
Mental strength 6.3

ytben
01-18-2004, 04:14 AM
Serve - 8. I am thinking to give it 9 but it is still not consistent enough imo. He will need to crank up those first serve % to deserve a 9
Volley - 8.5
FH - 8.5
BH - 8 His BH is a beauty and very versatile but can be inconsistent at times
Movement - 9
Mental strength - 5.5

WyverN
01-18-2004, 04:28 AM
I'll give explanations later.
Serve 8.5
Volley 9.0
FH 10.0
BH 8.0
Movement 8.5
Mental strength 6.3

Serve: 7.8 (needs to speed up a extra 5 miles and not go of the boil so often, also a lot of double faults in wrong situations)

Volley: In todays game 9.5 but if you compare him to people like Edberg then 8.5

FH: 9 When its on, lookout.

BH: 7.5 When its on its as good as the forehand especially those down the line shots but it sure gets ugly when he is in bad form. The slice gives him good options.

Movement: 9.5 Deceptively quick and flows around the court as good as anyone

Mental Strength: 5
Where do I start?
Inability to close out matches
double faults on key points
a tendency to start matches slowly often having a slow first set but cruising in the second (lots of 7-6, 6-2 scorelines)
a annoying habit of winning 40-0 and then letting the opponent back into the service game
continue using the same game plan while being beaten even though he has many options

Fedex
01-18-2004, 07:22 AM
Thanks WyverN for giving reasons supporting youre answers. I couldent agree with you more. I rated his mental strength, & little more than some people because he has had some great comebacks. Even though he eventually lost the set & match, I think him coming back from down 0-5, in the second set against Nalbanidan, & forced the tiebreaker. Other examples would be his match agaisnt Draper & Cinncinati, where he saved 7 Match points! :eek: And also when he was down Match Point against Agassi in their RR Math when he hit that wonderful FH Down the Line winner.(On the other Agassi dumped a FH in to the net BTW) So he does have his moments where he can seem like a mental giant, but more often than not he chokes. That, as we all know, is where he needs serious improvement! I also agree, that he needs to get that % up so he can get to net more, amoung other reasons. He could have had a lot more aces (was 3rd for aces last season though) if he got his serve in more. I agree that putting more milage on the serve would be helpful. Get it in to the 130's more(he hardly ever gets it their) but not so much more that he destroys accuracy! ;)

yanchr
01-18-2004, 12:04 PM
Serve:8.2 quite a weapon and could well be lethal when he's on. But he's not consistently displaying it. Don't think he still need speed up his serve, but to make more of his first serves in is badly crucial.

Volley:8.4 needs improvement definitely. Still way to go to to reach the level of some old guys.

FH:9.6 not inferior to anyone IMO if not superior. just to show more consistensy.

BH:8.8 the most beautiful BH on tour IMO. if compared with others' BH, not with his own other areas, it deserves the rate.

Movement:9.3 is somewhat undermined by his other outstanding abilities.

Mental strength:6 is the pass score, just for some of his comebacks. Others? I don't want to mention them again.

lsy
01-18-2004, 02:42 PM
Hi all, I reallly enjoy reading analysis from all of you. I'd like to give one but I honestly didn't watch enough tennis to be objective.

I can see that everybody has rated mental as Roger's weakest point. My question is if this is relative coz he's good at most other aspects, or is it really that obvious? Wasn't he the player who won most matches in 2003? And what about the comeback fedex mentioned? Other than the match vs Andy in Montreal and DC with Hewitt, has it really happend so often that he had choked away matches, just in year 2003? DC loss was obviously a great example but he had played the most matches (both single and double) there and was in front of huge crowd behind Hewitt. That's no simple task. Andy has a game that is never easy to play against imo, he always has a very effective serve to fall back on. Anybody who plays him really need to be fully concentrating on court. I'm not defending him here for sure (what for, it's his forum with all his fans), but I'm just really curious.

I had read that Roger was being screamed and shouted at by Jim Mac at the locked room before his match vs Agassi, instead of acted dramatic in the court subsequent to that, he just came out and let his game do the talking. That seems like a mental strength and maturity to me. Wasn't he having back pain in wimbledon and didn't he come out and win subsequent to that?

Is it because that he had made some of his win so effortless and easy that when he doesn't do that, he's mentally weak? Or is it because maybe he hasn't found the rhythm to consistently produce that type of high level tennis he can? I guess when your game is simple, huge serve/forehand it's pretty much what you'll do on court. Ups or down, you'll do that. But when it's a bit more complicated than that, it isn't that straightforward anymore. IMO Roger just hasn't found his pace to deliver consistently or gets confused about his tactics sometimes than he's mentally weak. I agree for sure his game is still unpredictable at this moment, but even that he had done great with the most matches won in 2003. And I think people who said he doesn't fight enough is certainly basing that argument hugely because of him being too calm on court.

lsy
01-18-2004, 02:52 PM
ok before anybody jumps to the conclusion that I'm a hard core Roger fan who wants to defend him every single way, no I'm not. I just really want to hear from some of you why he's unpredictable at his game? Is it really because of mental, or more that he hasn't figured out his own game plan too. Maybe that's why he had dismissed Peter? Or maybe I haven't watched enough of his "choking" matches?

ytben
01-18-2004, 05:58 PM
Agree with you yanchr, it will be nice to get an extra 5 miles oh his serves but it is not crucial. It is more important to consistently get more of them in. As much as it pains me to agree with PMac :o, I agree with him about when Rogi serves well all other aspects of his game elevates because he has less pressure to hold his serve so he can take more risk on his opponent's serve.
About the double faults in wrong situations, I think it is more mental than his serving skill.

lsy, as you know people keep mentioning you never know which Federer show up in a match, like 50-50 chances. I think he has improved on his mental strength hence the extra .5 that I gave him. Actually I am still in wait and see stance on his mental strength. He has more pressure this year to back up his 2003 year. So will see how well he deal with those pressures. His less than impressive grand slams records before 2003, I always contibutes that to his meltdown under pressures. He has suprised me with his mental strength though as you mentioned that match against Draper, against Agassi in the Houston RR. So I think he will keep improving on this aspect.
Yes, I think it is easier for people like Roddick to have a good mental strength because he has that huge serve to fall back on. But Roddick also deals well under pressure imo.
Hewitt is in another whole league though, since his mental strength can be a weapon. His is a 10 imo. So he is what I am using for comparison to give Rogi that 5.5.

Dirk
01-19-2004, 03:55 AM
Wyvern was right on. Perfect post. :worship:

WyverN
01-19-2004, 01:44 PM
Isy,
Its the way he choked those matches that made them so heartbreaking. Those "chokes" against Roddick and Hewitt were not enforced by either of them raising their game or even getting lucky but Federer letting the situation get to him and making simple unforced errors by pressing to much or even worse double faults.

Besides Montreal and DC are only the extreme examples, there were at least another half dozen situations last year where Federer either failed to serve out the match, the set or gave away a commanding lead in a set.

Some have argued that Federer does not need the extra speed on his serve but the extra little bit of speed would help him greatly in closing out matches, Federer still lacks that big weapon to rely on in key situations which often lands him in bother (e.g couple of unreturnable serves at 30-30).

People point to the Agassi round robin match in Houston as a sign of Federer's improving mentality but lets not forget Federer actually served for the match in the 3rd set only to lose his serve and being match point down in the tiebreaker he smashed a forehand winner of the Agassi serve, if that return of serve clipped the top of the net and Federer lost the match would that mean Federer is weak mentally? Of course not, mentality is far deeper then that and I can see weaknesses in almost every match.

Federer also did not have a single 5 set win in 2003.

One final point, I am a great fan of Federer and I hate criticising him but it is pretty frustrating when you get one of the most complete players I have ever seen yet after being a pro for more then six years if you take out his Wimbledon he has a very mediocre slam career.

MisterQ
01-19-2004, 02:21 PM
WyverN I agree with your analysis. :yeah:

lsy
01-19-2004, 02:30 PM
Thanks for the extra paragraghps of explaining WyverN and ytben :D that's what I want to know.

As I said, I had stopped following tennis since quite many years back, not till last year when I have more time on hand, I started to watch more tennis. Not surprisingly, it was Federer who caught my extra attention and very quickly regain my interest in men's tennis.

I guess that's why I don't feel as much agony as some of you here who had been following him for quite some years obviously. I really like his game, which is why I'm very keen to see him live up to his abilities/talents.

Anyway, I certainly hope I wouldn't have to go through the frustrations you have with Roger for the next few years, WyverN...

RealityRyan
01-19-2004, 02:46 PM
Reality Ryan has given me a new idea. For once he actually supported something with a few facts. On a scale of 1-10 Rate his overall ability in areas such as FH, BH, Serve,Volley,Movement,mental strength. Now we dont have to be bised like other people and say he's perfect in everything, but i thought it would be interesting to hear you're opinions!

haha, I will take that as a complement!

Roger Federer:

Forehand:8/10
He hits a very fast, well-spun ball does Federer. You never know what to expect with this guy. He has both power and Finesse on this shot.

Backand:9/10
I think he has the male equivalent of J-H-H's backhand. The technique is very sound and just like on the forehand he has the power and the finesse.

Serve:9/10
A very dominating serving. This serve is what won Fed a grand slam last year. It's fast but, what kills you is the placement. He uses it so well to exploit opponent’s weaknesses.

Movement and Mobility:8.5/10
Very fast and very smooth moving around. Sometimes you wonder how he ran something down because he's sneaky fast.

Focus/Mental Ability:4.5/10
The biggest drawback to Federer's game is the way he sits in cruise control for alot of the match and doesn't really play his "A" until he is already down a set or two. He doesn't do this all the time but, as of recently it has become more and more prevalent.

Net Skills:9.5/10
He has the ability to make those shot's like Sampras did at the net. He's not even a “S and V” Player but, he can do that. He makes some of the most ridiculous shots I have ever seen at the net bar none. Just out of this world when he is playing his "A" game at the net. The reflexes, and the natural ability is there. Just deadly with those drop shot...


Avg score = 8.03

lsy
01-19-2004, 02:59 PM
Hi RR, you know what? I know your favourite is Andy but you really have one thing in common with Roger at the moment : unpredictable.

I don't know when your posts will make sense, when it will just look like all bs.

Fedex
01-19-2004, 06:20 PM
His Forehand(Roger's) may not be as pretty as the BH, but it is still by a fair amount his best shot.

RealityRyan
01-19-2004, 09:06 PM
Hi RR, you know what? I know your favourite is Andy but you really have one thing in common with Roger at the moment : unpredictable.

I don't know when your posts will make sense, when it will just look like all bs.

Thanks for the backhanded compliment. I always said RF was the most talented player on tour. He doesn't have enough consistency as of now, to be a threat. That's why AR will have a big year, unless RF turns it around and plays well every match..

WyverN
01-19-2004, 10:19 PM
Federer doesnt need to play well every match, the cruise control mode is perfectly fine and conserves energy as long as he raises his game in those key points at 4-4 or 5-5 to still come away with the set.

Thats what Sampras always did

Fedex
01-20-2004, 01:11 AM
Yes, I agree with WyverN. I'd say today he played fairly well(havnt seen the match yet) but he still could of done better & was just relaxing. But in the bigger matches he'll step it up if he has to!

Shy
01-20-2004, 03:52 AM
He doesn't have enough consistency as of now, to be a threat. ..
I bet many players including Andy would want you to differ. Roger Federer is a threat. I believe that he is consistence, but he just need to stop losing or mostly choking at big match .

Dirk
01-20-2004, 04:13 AM
Shy is absolutely right. Roger is consistent. I love how people only point out his bad traits and never his good ones. Roger had an incredible 03 year. He just needs to be cold and cruel all the way through a match and not get warm and weak when it comes time to end it. Bullshit Brian is acting as if Roger needs to win every match in order to keep up with Andy. Just insane since Andy will lose plenty of matches this year as well. As for his serve. IT IS A WEAPON!!!!!!! His serve will improve over time as well like every other part of his game. Yes Roger's Slam career as been average and he should have done better, but sometimes great talents need more time to hone themselves. Roger's grand game is the most difficult and time consumming to master. Also Roger had to deal with lots of pressures early on in his career. Some handle it better than others and Roger took more time. He is only human after all. Roger has improved year in and year out. I know its tough to not shake your head at times and say "what a waste of talent" but Roger does care and does strive for improvement therefore he will improve in all areas. His game doesn't even have to get better (which it will) just his mentality. He must stay confident and keep the wheels in his head working when his tactics are not working. Roger is a fighter and knows how to compete like a champ just needs to do it more successfully in the big matches. I have faith. :bounce:

Jazzy
01-20-2004, 09:19 AM
awww, u no how to make a player look very good, a very nice way to put into words Dirk!!!

federerer
01-20-2004, 10:41 AM
**forehand 8.5
I'd say this is his main weapon. It's his most consistent stroke and he can hit it with pace, spin, or pace and spin. Plus he can disguise it very well and can hit off balance.

**backhand 8
can topspin or slice. everytime he uses that slice lob over a net rusher my jaw bounces off the floor. his inconsistency is what brings this score down a bit, despite it's beauty and versatility.

**volley ?
it's hard to say, I mean, other than henman who really volleys anymore. He's more of an allcourt player than a serve and volleyer. I'd say 8 I guess. certainly no edberg yet and still a notch below sampras in my opinion

**serve 8.5
everyone wants the 5 mph. only against the very best returner does that even make a difference!! placement and disguise are much more important. I think what made sampras's serve such a beast is the disguise more than the power. you never know where it's gonna go.

**return 9
he out aced both the scud and roddick. he doesn't exactly attack with it like agassi but he returns roddick's serve like it's nothing to him. I mean, I still don't really see how that's possible.

**movement 9.1
I think this is where his true strength is. If you think about it, most of the great ones have had a dominant weapon (certainly on the men's side) yet in looking at fed you can 't really pick one shot. Most people, when first describing fed, say "supremely talented, can hit every shot in the book." I say the catalyst to unleashing his talent is his movement. How often is he out of position? He can hit all those wonderful shots because his movement and footwork allow him to. Look at how long both his forehand and backhand strokes are. Every tennis student should just watch his feet for an entire match. Notice how he takes a split step on EVERY ball just as his opponent is striking it. Hewitt has nice footwork too and graf's footwork was awesome, but with fed, he's so light on his feet it like he's dancing. float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

**mental game 6
I believe fed is playing at about 70% of his capability. I see three reasons for this.
1. he's young.
he's just a kid.
2. he's supremely talented.
when you are as talented as he is, your basic strategy is to try to get in the flow and play your "A" game, because once you are in the flow, nobody can beat you. Most of the so called mentally tough players are the less talented ones. hewitt, roddick (he's talented for sure, but not obscenely talented. certainly not as talented as an agassi or sampras or safin) fed hasn't really needed a mental game to cruise through juniors.
agassi was not mentally strong when he was young, nor was sampras.
3. he not that hungry.
yet. just listen to his comments. he accomplished more than he ever hoped to last year. when he decides in his heart that he wants to be the best player in the game (or of all time) then he will see his true potential.

I think he has hope for the mental game. for proof look at his davis cup record.
he may never decide to shoot for the stars but I will still watch because in my opinion he is the single greatest tennis talent I have every seen.

SUKTUEN
01-20-2004, 11:07 AM
:) I agree with Dirk and Federerer. :)

:wavey: I am so glad for Dirk post great suggestion. :wavey:

yanchr
01-21-2004, 08:35 AM
**movement 9.1
I think this is where his true strength is....... Hewitt has nice footwork too and graf's footwork was awesome, but with fed, he's so light on his feet it like he's dancing. float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.



I really assume his movement as an important part of his game. Just because his other shots are so sublime that this part has been a little bit undermined. His footwork gives him great support in hitting many unbelievable shots, but I should say that it's his feel of the ball and the touch of hand that matters most. Of course it's a perfect combination.

I remember in his official website the Ask Roger part someone asked him a question like 'have you taken any dance or ballet course'. At first I was laughing at the question, coz it seemed so irrelevant. But soon I saw the definite relevance in between. And it's a creative question. lol

Dirk
01-21-2004, 11:19 AM
Mary Carillo thinks he was a ballet dancer. LOL Ninja (killing never was so beautiful) :bounce:

SaFed2005
01-25-2004, 05:09 PM
Serve - 8.5
His serve may not be so powerful but it's very well placed. He just has to be more consistent with it... When he is hot his serves are more effective than big servers like we saw in the semi and the final of Wimbeldon. He had more aces in the matchups with Roddick, and philo...(cant spell his name... lol) beause of the great placement he has...
Volley - 9
great volleys... doesn't miss them much
FH - 9.5
great forehand... but then again almost every player has a great forehand
BH - 9
Very nice backhand compared to other players at the moment
Movement - 8.5
he moves around the court very well... better than most other players...
Mental strength - 7
he likes go for winners... that's why against some baseliners like agassi or nalbandian when the point can be very long he doesn't do too well. I don't think he is very patient with points...

Fedex
01-25-2004, 05:23 PM
Welcome, anantak2k! You make good points

Dirk
01-26-2004, 04:00 PM
I think roger has become alot more patience. Did anyone see his Cup matches with Andre? He was very patient in the rallies and won a lot especially in the final.

SaFed2005
01-26-2004, 09:09 PM
I hope he beats Nalbandian... Although I also like Nalbandian. It's time for Federer to get past Nalbandian for once in a Grand Slam. This should've been the final... They r both awesome... Hopefully whoever wins this wins the tourney...

Fedex
01-27-2004, 05:22 AM
I agree completly. I also think that if David beats Roger, he will steam roll, Ferrero, Agassi/Roddick. And vice versa for Federer Go Rogi!!!! :bounce: :bounce:

yanchr
01-27-2004, 07:07 AM
Yeah, the winner of the match should take it all. Don't get me wrong Roger or Nalby. Hopefully Roger! And all good to Roger!

LCeh
02-24-2004, 10:37 PM
This is quite an old topic, but anyway:

I can't really give a numerical value, but I personally thinks his game IS based on his movement. He can run down balls, rolls over to hit FHs, get himself in position for kill when gets his opponent deep, just about everything he does, he has a lot of time to prepare, because of his movements.

His shots are all beautiful, and a lot of times he can surprise his opponent; he can pick up balls very early on the rise, and just stick to the baseline even when the balls are returned deep. I think he has just so much talent that it's hard to rate his game by categories. Overall he just need to be more consistant and reduce his UEs, and he will wins lots of slams.

vene
03-20-2004, 03:28 PM
Thank you very much everyone, for all the posts! very informative. I was a bit worried when WyverN said he has been around for 6 yrs and has only 1 slam to show for it.....Is there any possiblity he ca match Pete's record? He does appear to be getting mentally tougher this year

LCeh
03-20-2004, 03:42 PM
Well, catching Sampras's 14 slams record is almost impossible. You have to be healthy, and perform at your best level for like 8-10 years. Nobody can tell if Roger can do it, but I hope he can at least match Agassi's, which is 8 slams.

yanchr
03-20-2004, 09:51 PM
8 slams is no problem as long as he stays healthy IMO ;)

Now guess we should rerate Roger's mental strength..

I'll give him 8.5 now :)

WyveN
03-20-2004, 11:34 PM
hahaha so true.

it is very interesting to redo these ratings the mental improvement is amazing.

Nice to see Roger is pulling matches out after losing the first set!

And did anyone see the long rally against Andre down 3-4 and break point.......finished of with a amazing forehand

lsy
03-21-2004, 03:09 AM
hahaha so true.

it is very interesting to redo these ratings the mental improvement is amazing.

Nice to see Roger is pulling matches out after losing the first set!

And did anyone see the long rally against Andre down 3-4 and break point.......finished of with a amazing forehand

TOTALLY...that's was wow really but I need to catch some reply of this match coz most of the time it was too nervewrecking for me to watch it objectively :)

If Rogi can get past Tim tomorrow, I'll give him a perfect 10 on mental strength already ;)

One can really tell the difference in him from his interview lately :

Q. In the first game of the third set, it was an epic battle, deuce eight times, you had advantage three times. When you wind up losing something like that, the crowd is behind Andre, how did you keep your focus after that?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, in the beginning of the third, I knew I will get my chances if I keep hanging in there. Obviously, it was a big disappointment because I missed a very easy forehand. That was for me the big disappointment.
But, you know, I think I'm used to not get too down on myself after such moments because I thought, "I just won the second, no worry to panic in this situation."

ROGER FEDERER: General, obviously. Well, I've lived through a lot of -- lot of things since. I've had such nice experiences, with all the big titles I won. I've moved up the rankings. I feel much more confident when I walk on court. I know what I got to do now. Before I was always going on court with a little doubt. If today doesn't work, you know, I cannot win probably. Now I feel even if I'm playing bad, I can win matches. That is for me a big improvement I've made.
Yeah, been an interesting year.

. Is the difference between your game in 2001 and today better shots, better ability, or is it confidence?
ROGER FEDERER: No, it's not only confidence. Just more knowledge about the game. I think more power physically and mentally stronger. It's a lot of things which I've changed. I think overall just more consistent in every aspect of the game.
And I think that -- if I'm winning, it makes me even more confident than it could have -- gave me confidence, like after the match against Sampras. I was mentally much more weak because if I was playing bad, why I was not playing like I was against Sampras. That's not how it works in tennis.
I think now I've learned that lesson, and now I'm just enjoying it, playing well

It must have been really great for most of you here who had followed Rogi's game for a long time to see this breakthrough from him :D

Fedex
03-21-2004, 03:21 AM
I wont redo my mentality rating for Rogi until he beats Tim tomorrow ;) His only nemesis left.

Fedex
03-21-2004, 03:24 AM
and that particular FH i thought was wide Pheww. so close. But i feel sad for Andre :sad:
Dont worry he'll get em at Miami :devil: He's going for #7 isnt he??

WyveN
03-21-2004, 05:16 AM
I was just waiting for Roger to miss during that rally as I thought the pressure would get to him......then all of a sudden.......BOOM. Terrific lol

vene
03-21-2004, 05:17 AM
yeah, I remember that FH!! I nearly collapsed. That Agassi match was a nailbiter. I was a nervous wreck!! At times I thot I was going to have a heart attack, my heart was beating so fast..... I may have to tape the Henman match.
But it was really nice that he put the first set behind him, the old Roger would have tanked, and I was always afraid he would do that. He has really improved mentally, and even if he doesn't beat Henman he will figure him out eventually. Also it's good that he has figured out how to win matches even when he is not playing well.

Fedex
03-21-2004, 07:04 AM
If that match almost gave you a heart attack, Federer vs Agassi RR TMC, must have given you several heart attacks. One of my favorite matches though. That was a true sign of mental strength for Rogi, and i'll always believe that particular match set the tempo for the rest of the tournement and possibly this year!!

Mrs. B
03-21-2004, 07:51 AM
whoah, that RR TMC was some match. Andre with mp.

whereas in the old days he'd "choke" with serving out for matches, Roger these days will close it out with aces. ;) that's some huge mental improvement. :worship:

ytben
03-21-2004, 08:37 AM
Yeah, I still remember all my nails becoming victim caused by that RR match. That is still one of the best Rogi's matches I have seen live on TV.

yanchr
03-21-2004, 10:26 AM
Yeah..that shot :eek: ! Was anyone thinking that Roger could save that volley? Who elso could do that? Hewitt? I'd say definitely NO :worship: .

If that match almost gave you a heart attack, Federer vs Agassi RR TMC, must have given you several heart attacks. One of my favorite matches though. That was a true sign of mental strength for Rogi, and i'll always believe that particular match set the tempo for the rest of the tournement and possibly this year!!

Can't agree more :worship: As I've always said, in the whole sense that match will be of much more significance than any other of his wins, say 03 Wimbly semi or final or the Sampras one or else.

I still remember clearly how I was excited and mad with joy when he narrowly escaped the loss and came out as the final winner esp that it was pulled out NOT by some ordinary shots or crappy errors but by his brave and resolute shot-making on the MATCHPOINTS of both his and Agassi's. After the last shot I simply didn't know what to do. I was totally at a loss with my thought and was totally overwhelmed by ecstasy. It was pretty much more than several heart attacks. At some moments I even felt like hiding myself from the TV, but somehow I maintained and stood up to all the nerves, and Roger also stood up to all the difficulties and danger :worship:. Have the match on tape and have watched it many times...every time when watching it, just can't help wondering how he managed it through LOL. Absolutely one of my favorites.

vene
03-21-2004, 02:44 PM
If that match almost gave you a heart attack, Federer vs Agassi RR TMC, must have given you several heart attacks. One of my favorite matches though. That was a true sign of mental strength for Rogi, and i'll always believe that particular match set the tempo for the rest of the tournement and possibly this year!!
Yeah, it was a great match. Unfortunatly I watched it in a bar, so I really couldn't see it properly. Hope to get a DVD of it though

lsy
03-21-2004, 02:53 PM
hahaha...looks like I'm not the only stupid one going crazy watching that TMC RR match v Andre :)

Today wasn't much better, all those errors during break chance vs Andre or saving breakpoints...I almost felt like just switched off the tv and go back to sleep, thinking I'm crazy to get so nervous over a tennis match. There's one clip showing Rogi breathing a sigh of relieve saving breakpoint at 4-3 final set hitting a shot so close to baseline, and there's even a smile on his face then shouting "come on" to himself, it was kind of funny.

I hope he won't put us into another hot seat again today.

ytben
12-19-2004, 04:04 PM
Serve - 8. I am thinking to give it 9 but it is still not consistent enough imo. He will need to crank up those first serve % to deserve a 9
Volley - 8.5
FH - 8.5
BH - 8 His BH is a beauty and very versatile but can be inconsistent at times
Movement - 9
Mental strength - 5.5

Bump (GWH bump in GM is what inspired me to bump this old thread :D )

I think we all have some rerating to do ;)

Serve - 9 He has improved his % like I hope.
Volley - 8 It is good but in crunch time he sometimes sprays his volley.
FH - 9.5 One of the best in the field
BH - 8.5 His BH definetely improved a lot this year. Much more consistent thanks to everybody attacked this suppose "weakness" of his. I hope he can improve to start to be able to rip his BH more.
Movement - 9.8 I think I have underestimated his footwork on my previous rating. IMO it is the best in the tour.
Mental strength - :o I can't believe at the start of this year he is 5.5 for me. Now I will give him 8.5. What an amazing change in just a span of less than a year. All the things we complained about him mentally, he pretty much "fixed" all of them this year. There are still few times we see him botched BPs eg against Hrbaty, but it is far and between. Really amazing what confidence can do to a person.

Fedex
12-19-2004, 09:10 PM
Bump (GWH bump in GM is what inspired me to bump this old thread :D )

I think we all have some rerating to do ;)

Serve - 9 He has improved his % like I hope.
Volley - 8 It is good but in crunch time he sometimes sprays his volley.
FH - 9.5 One of the best in the field
BH - 8.5 His BH definetely improved a lot this year. Much more consistent thanks to everybody attacked this suppose "weakness" of his. I hope he can improve to start to be able to rip his BH more.
Movement - 9.8 I think I have underestimated his footwork on my previous rating. IMO it is the best in the tour.
Mental strength - :o I can't believe at the start of this year he is 5.5 for me. Now I will give him 8.5. What an amazing change in just a span of less than a year. All the things we complained about him mentally, he pretty much "fixed" all of them this year. There are still few times we see him botched BPs eg against Hrbaty, but it is far and between. Really amazing what confidence can do to a person.
Interesting bump, and I will update mine later. I think I rated Roger pretty high in everything, except mental strength, and that will certainly be ranked a bit higher.

Ultraman
01-10-2005, 03:20 AM
Food for Thought:

I've been studying Feds backhand and one of the distinct aspects that I've noticed about his is how long his head remains down and totally still through and after the stroke. Watch him closely and you'll notice that his eyes are totally focused on the ball, he hits the ball and his head remains there. The ball is well over the net before he raises his head to look. The delay is very noticeable. His follow through is also very pronounced. The racket always ends up high and on more forceful strokes high and well behind his back. Clearly a indication of hitting through the ball.

In any event.........I can't wait to get out on the court and adapt some of his stuff.

Yoda
01-10-2005, 07:58 PM
Serve - 8.8 if he can get his serve power to 135+mph and more aces then he will score in the 9
Volley - 8.6 has very good form whilst volleying, reading the game has improved....just needs more consistency to take this attribute into the 9s
FH - 9.7 devastating FH, and can now retrieve from difficult position
BH - 8.5 getting there, great angles, variations in spin & slice, still difficult to get return winners from a kick serve like the two handers can
Movement - 9.9 deceptively quick, very agile and can leap like a cat....all this whilst moving gracefully
Mental Strength - 9.1 Will be hard to judge this category until he gets serious competition. 9.1 goes for his Wimby performance whilst Andy rocked him with his power.
A couple of new categories
Creativity - 9.6 in the class of M.Rios, Nastase
Shot Selection - 9.1 would get much higher if Rogi wasn't a bit too passive IMO

motasek
01-10-2005, 09:49 PM
I have read almost everybody's opinions on Roger's skill rating and I agree with most of them, except for one: I would rate his mental strength much, much higher, at at least 8.0. And speaking of his overall performance I believe his attitude to the game is that he is trying to make steady, possibly effortless progress in all aspects which is very wise actually. He's aiming long-time succesfull career and simply doesn't want to explode like Safin, Hewitt or Roddick did paying the price afterwards. As for his volley, it is difficult to judge properly just because of the quality of today's back-court game. If McEnroe was a perfect 10.0, Edberg 9.5(?), Roger might be 9.0. Anyway, he is making steady all-aspect progress while the other guys are burning out to the very limits of their abilities. I think, the next year you ask the same question, th ratings will be higher still.

makro120
01-13-2005, 06:05 PM
Serve -9.4 Was nr6 in the ace league last year, but his greatest strength is how he gets advantage in points using both his 1st and 2nd serve, his 2nd serve is the best since Sampras and his variation is amazing.

Volley -9.2 Maybe only 2nd to Henman in the atp, but doesn't use it as much as he could probably because of his excellent baseline shots.

FH -9.8 Barely ever misses a shot with his forehand because he uses so much spin, even so he has so much power and so much precision, when he gets control over a point with his forehand barely does he ever loose it. Also he is gets around to his forehand in such a beautiful way, no other does it in such an elegant way.

BH -9.7 His most artistic shot and he can hit it anyway he wants, sometimes his bh doesn't work perfectly but most time this is the side of Federer which makes him the magician. His BH is not as poweful as his forehand, but he controls the tempo with his backhand in a wonderful way, slowing down the tempo with slizes and pushing up the tempo hitting with his bh really early just after the ball hit the ground (like no other player can do).

Movement -9.9 His gracious movement is certanly the best I have ever seen on a tennis court and it doesn't amtter if he playes offensive or defensive tennis he always comes to perfect possisions to hit the ball thanx to his movement. He reads the opponent in an excellent way and is very acrobatic to reach the ball both on bh and fh when he returns serves. Only reason I only gave 9.9 is because he is not as fast as Hewitt.

Mental Strength -9.7 Strongest player out there, just see how he leads the statistics in break points saved on his serves. How many times haven't we seen him becoming stronger in difficult situations by now? When his game isn't working perfectly like in the wimbledon final or against Agassi in US open he stills manages to win the important points and at any point of the game he can change strategy depending how his shots are working. Only problem I have is that he can easily loose concentration in different occasions, like in early rounds against worse players or when he is really the best player on the pitch and winning easily like in the 2nd set against Hewitt.

Fedex
01-15-2005, 12:41 PM
Serve - 8.8 if he can get his serve power to 135+mph and more aces then he will score in the 9

He doesn't need the 135+ heat on the serve. His accuracy and the way he mixed his serves up, is how he is successful, and how he hits aces. If you give Federer a 135mph serve, it will take away from his accuracy, and placement.

Yoda
01-15-2005, 01:07 PM
You're probably right Fedex....but if Rogi can add the extra 5mph+ without taking away the accuracy and placement then he will hit more unreturnable service winners.

Just have to look at the players with the powerful serves to see that they have more aces, unreturnable service winners and hence higher percentage of service games won.

Rogi is among the best servers at the moment and he's still young enough to add more power. (I wouldn't want him to sacrifice accuracy for power - just add a bit more juice to his wonderful serve ;) )

papa_papped_a_lop
01-16-2005, 02:00 AM
You're probably right Fedex....but if Rogi can add the extra 5mph+ without taking away the accuracy and placement then he will hit more unreturnable service winners.

Just have to look at the players with the powerful serves to see that they have more aces, unreturnable service winners and hence higher percentage of service games won.

Rogi is among the best servers at the moment and he's still young enough to add more power. (I wouldn't want him to sacrifice accuracy for power - just add a bit more juice to his wonderful serve ;) )

It would be boring to watch his games if he were to ace everybody. One of the main reasons to watch him is to see him win the point by using his creativity and huge arsenal of different shots while the ball is still in play.

Anyway some ratings out of 5.

Ball speed - How fast the ball travels. Also accounts for serves.
5- for forehand 4- for backhand 4- Serve

Ball weight - How much force put in to hit the ball. Also accounts for serves.
4

Movement speed -
5

Agility -
4

Spin -
5

Praise - How much praise is given by the crowd and also commentators.
5

Concentration -
4

Recovery - How much delay between hitting the ball.
5

Movement Sense - (Anticipation)
5

Very impressive stats indeed.