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Ivan Ljubicic: Locker Room spokesperson

LeeHesh
06-09-2006, 08:27 PM
A couple of years ago he said the whole locker room wanted him to beat Andy. And today, on the BBC: "I would love to see Roger winning," he said. "Everyone in the locker room would."

I've never figured out why it is that the locker room confides in him all the time. Must be that heroic bald pate. Anyhow, if those in the locker room really hate Andy and rafa, maybe they should step out and say it.
Or is "locker room " Ivan's euphemism for the voices in his head?

rofe
06-09-2006, 08:30 PM
A couple of years ago he said the whole locker room wanted him to beat Andy. And today, on the BBC: "I would love to see Roger winning," he said. "Everyone in the locker room would."

I've never figured out why it is that the locker room confides in him all the time. Must be that heroic bald pate. Anyhow, if those in the locker room really hate Andy and rafa, maybe they should step out and say it.
Or is "locker room " Ivan's euphemism for the voices in his head?

Maybe because he represents the players union? :scratch:

oneandonlyhsn
06-09-2006, 08:32 PM
Maybe because he represents the players union? :scratch:

Yeah I forgot about that, I dont know if he is talking for majority of players but just like the fans there are some players rooting for Roger while others are rooting for Rafa.

mangoes
06-09-2006, 08:32 PM
Maybe because he represents the players union? :scratch:


:lol: :lol:

Out of curiousity, for the thread starter, couldn't this latest bitch session about Ljubicic just be added to the others already in progress???

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-09-2006, 08:33 PM
I don't believe everyone in LR is rooting for Fed,sometimes he needs to calm down.

LeeHesh
06-09-2006, 08:34 PM
:lol: :lol:

Out of curiousity, for the thread starter, couldn't this latest bitch session about Ljubicic just be added to the others already in progress???

Nope, the croat is special....wit his mouth. So he deserves as many threads as he can get for that.

As for the tennis, that's another matter

MariaV
06-09-2006, 08:35 PM
Or is "locker room " Ivan's euphemism for the voices in his head?
MTF is really funny today. :lol:

mangoes
06-09-2006, 08:35 PM
I think there are a lot of players pulling for Roger, other for Rafa, and some who just don't give a damn...........

smucav
06-09-2006, 08:39 PM
some who just don't give a damn...........Q. Now that you're leaving the tournament, do you have a favorite? Rafa? Federer?

TOMMY ROBREDO: Listen, I'm going home. I'm going on holiday. I'm going to disconnect. I don't think I'm even going to watch the rest of the tournament.

DDrago2
06-09-2006, 08:40 PM
THe connection between Andy and Raffa is arrogance I suppose, and the difference is I suppose that Andy at least doesn't hide it

But look how hard time these Nadal fans have accepting the fact that their's hero is an arrogant prick. They can't get used to the fact that the "Nadal is sooo nice" story is over!

tennis_freak67
06-09-2006, 08:40 PM
I don't believe everyone in LR is rooting for Fed,sometimes he needs to calm down.

Slowly detach your face from Ivan`s posterior.

R.Federer
06-09-2006, 08:43 PM
A couple of years ago he said the whole locker room wanted him to beat Andy. And today, on the BBC: "I would love to see Roger winning," he said. "Everyone in the locker room would."


That's interesting
I thought he said "I think everybody will " which has a distinctly softer tone than "Everyone in the locker room would".
I got it off of the official transcript. Where's this from??

LeeHesh
06-09-2006, 08:45 PM
THe connection between Andy and Raffa is arrogance I suppose, and the difference is I suppose that Andy at least doesn't hide it

But look how hard time these Nadal fans have accepting the fact that their's hero is an arrogant prick. Get used to the fact that the "Nadal is sooo nice" story is over.

So is Federer for that matter. So was Samparas, even Agassi. Nobody can be that good at anything and not be arrogant. Eeesh.

Besides, I'm no Rafa fan. Look at my name. I think if Federer wins against the man-boy who set the clay court record he'll have proved himself one of the all-time Greats.

I'm tiring of all this "with me or against me" nonsense on this board. Feels like Bush country.

LeeHesh
06-09-2006, 08:46 PM
That's interesting
I thought he said "I think everybody will " which has a distinctly softer tone than "Everyone in the locker room would".
I got it off of the official transcript. Where's this from??
The Beeb.
Interesting difference. Maybe they played it up?

I still despise the way Ivan is such a sore loser.

Clara Bow
06-09-2006, 08:46 PM
I'm tiring of all this "with me or against me" nonsense on this board. Feels like Bush country.

:worship: :worship:

I agree 100%

I agree with you Lee about the baiting. The press is certainly doing that. Look how one guy phrased a question to Rafa. I thought Nadal handled it pretty well considering who they guy was obviously trying to incite.

Q. Ljubicic said that it's ridiculous the amount of time you take in between points and that the umpire only warned you once because he had to do something. But then he let you do that, and he would love Federer to win and that everybody wants Federer to win.

RAFAEL NADAL: Is that what he said, that everybody wants Federer to win? Well, great. Great. That's not a problem, you know. Everybody is free to say whatever they want. They'll make friends in the course.

No, I know that everybody does not want Federer to win. I know that. You've got to learn to control yourself when you lose a match, not after you lose a match you can just go about saying anything. I get on well with Ljubicic. I don't want to lose that good relationship with him. I don't think that will be the case.

tangerine_dream
06-09-2006, 08:47 PM
Or is "locker room " Ivan's euphemism for the voices in his head?
:haha: :rolls: That was good.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-09-2006, 08:49 PM
Slowly detach your face from Ivan`s posterior.
What do you mean? :rolleyes:

I just tell that it's impossible everyone is cheering for Federer.At least Moya and some Spanish players will cheer for Nadal.

R.Federer
06-09-2006, 08:49 PM
The Beeb.
Interesting difference. Maybe they played it up?

I still despise the way Ivan is such a sore loser.

Well here is the official transcript (unfortunately, the video does not cover it or we could be sure)
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/interviews/2006-06-09/200606091149877428341.html

LeeHesh
06-09-2006, 08:55 PM
Well here is the official transcript (unfortunately, the video does not cover it or we could be sure)
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/interviews/2006-06-09/200606091149877428341.html

Thanks. I just wish Ljubicic would be a little less snipy. I'd like him a whole lot better.

chicky841
06-09-2006, 08:58 PM
I like Ivan alotish but hes been getting on my nerves lately. I like that he speaks his mind but sometimes Ivan you just need to use your discretion.

Castafiore
06-09-2006, 09:02 PM
You know, after the Monte Carlo final when Rafa moved on to Barcelona. The players all stood up and applauded when Rafa stepped into the players lounge. Of course he's well liked (ok...maybe not by all, but you can't win them all) and he's well respected. :)

Many players wanting Federer to get the Roger slam is not the same thing as people resenting Nadal (however much some people in here would like it to be)

mangoes
06-09-2006, 09:08 PM
I wish Ivan would just shut up at this point.........

I'm sure there are some players pulling for Roger..............others pulling for Nadal..........and some who just don't give a damn about both Roger and Rafa.

Deboogle!.
06-09-2006, 09:32 PM
Or is "locker room " Ivan's euphemism for the voices in his head?:rolls: :haha: :yeah:

sammy2
06-09-2006, 09:36 PM
Who's left in the locker room after the quarterfinals? He must be talking to shadows. I would doubt if most players would give Ivan their honest opinions (or any other player for that matter).

Jimnik
06-09-2006, 09:58 PM
Same old Ljubitch :rolleyes:

DrJules
06-09-2006, 10:01 PM
What do you mean? :rolleyes:

I just tell that it's impossible everyone is cheering for Federer.At least Moya and some Spanish players will cheer for Nadal.

I thought most resented the attention he was receiving in Spain.

El Legenda
06-09-2006, 10:13 PM
Ivan never regrets what he says, and does not give f about what people say about him.

tangerine_dream
06-09-2006, 10:15 PM
Jerry, you're not wearing your Spanish Dress for me :awww:

El Legenda
06-09-2006, 10:16 PM
Jerry, you're not wearing your Spanish Dress for me :awww:
where is it :)

thrust
06-09-2006, 10:40 PM
Nadal^s answer to the reporter concerning Ivan^s comments shows him to be more mature than Ivan, who comes accross as a teenaged sore loser. When has Nadal ever displayed arrogance?

blosson
06-09-2006, 10:55 PM
Why the locker room wants Roger to win everything? There won't be anything left for the rest of the locker room (and there isn't that much left for grabs anyway) :lol:

smucav
06-09-2006, 11:12 PM
Who's left in the locker room after the quarterfinals?As of today (Friday), there were three other singles players (Federer, Nadal, & Nalbandian), six doubles players (Bryan, Bryan, Bjorkman, Mirnyi, Zimonjic, & Nestor), & whatever legends players are still around. I doubt Federer & Nadal were voting, so that leaves seven other ATP players.

Jade Fox
06-09-2006, 11:17 PM
I don't mind trash talking and arrogance from athletes really. But that's only as long as said athlete can back it up in his/her performance in whatever sport they choose to play. If they can't then they just look stupid. Ivan has been getting on my nerves for years, but now he just looks like a damn fool. Rafa doesn't need to be arrogant or talk trash in interviews. He just goes out on the courts and let his racket do the talking. And his defeat of Ivan said more than anything that can come out of his mouth.

Allez
06-09-2006, 11:21 PM
Surely Lopez AND Moya will be rooting for Rafael, no ?

Chloe le Bopper
06-09-2006, 11:22 PM
Maybe because he represents the players union? :scratch:
It is without doubt that this is an issue that is discussed at union meetings :cool:

Chloe le Bopper
06-09-2006, 11:23 PM
I don't mind trash talking and arrogance from athletes really. But that's only as long as said athlete can back it up in his/her performance in whatever sport they choose to play. If they can't then they just look stupid. Ivan has been getting on my nerves for years, but now he just looks like a damn fool. Rafa doesn't need to be arrogant or talk trash in interviews. He just goes out on the courts and let his racket do the talking. And his defeat of Ivan said more than anything that can come out of his mouth.
To be fair, ivan has been running his mouth for what seems like years now, and he is top 5 now. I would say he's earned the right ;)

Jade Fox
06-09-2006, 11:37 PM
To be fair, ivan has been running his mouth for what seems like years now, and he is top 5 now. I would say he's earned the right ;)


True, he's a top five player. But that's not what I was really talking about. I was talking about if he were to make those kind of statements about finding Rafa's claycourt streak unimpressive, and etc. then he should go out on the courts and show the world that Rafa is beatable, even on his best surface. He didn't do that, and to me that makes him look dumb for saying those things. But that's just my opinion. I think we should agree to disagree on this one.

Deboogle!.
06-09-2006, 11:42 PM
To be fair, ivan has been running his mouth for what seems like years now, and he is top 5 now. I would say he's earned the right ;) IMO, no ranking or accomplishment gives any player the right to complain nonstop and also fail to back up his words. It gives him the right to be very confident about some things and perhaps even arrogant at times, but it doesn't give him the right to act like a 12-year old whose mom didn't buy him the candy he wanted ;)

nkhera1
06-09-2006, 11:54 PM
How is Nadal arrogant? I think Federer is more arrogant than him and besides they both have the right to be. How is Roddick arrogant? He may yell at officials, but he isn't the only one.

Jogy
06-09-2006, 11:54 PM
Ljubicic is a whining idiot who makes big words and wants to be so much a fair player when he overrule one shot in the match and after the loss he is coming up with the usual excuses of his "Nadal is taking so many time between points" or when he whined around in 2003 against Roddick "I don't get the line calls, whine, so many line calls against me, everywhere else than in US I would have won the matc", just after the match when Roddick send his sore ass home to Croatia beating him in the tournament :lol:

nobama
06-10-2006, 12:09 AM
Many players wanting Federer to get the Roger slam is not the same thing as people resenting Nadal (however much some people in here would like it to be)Yep. Maybe some players who would not normally care are pulling for Roger because of the career slam aspect, which has nothing to do with Rafa.

star
06-10-2006, 12:11 AM
And many times the veteran players root for the other veterans and aren't as supportive of the newcomers. It's a normal thing, I think,

nobama
06-10-2006, 12:22 AM
And many times the veteran players root for the other veterans and aren't as supportive of the newcomers. It's a normal thing, I think,True. I just think any player hoping Roger gets the win on Sunday = dislike of Rafa is silly.

Scotso
06-10-2006, 01:14 AM
Ivan likes to whine and bitch. No surprise. He's gone now and won't get to do it anymore.

PamV
06-10-2006, 01:29 AM
I think there are a lot of players pulling for Roger, other for Rafa, and some who just don't give a damn...........

Right. But I would think the majority are rooting for Roger. He's likeable and outgoing.....and he's won the Stephan Edberg Sportsmanship Award twice ....which is voted on by the players. No doubt most of the Spanish players want Rafa to win though.

PamV
06-10-2006, 01:30 AM
True. I just think any player hoping Roger gets the win on Sunday = dislike of Rafa is silly.

Most just want to see History made. They all say how likeable Roger is and surely that enters in to it.

*Viva Chile*
06-10-2006, 01:37 AM
THe connection between Andy and Raffa is arrogance I suppose, and the difference is I suppose that Andy at least doesn't hide it

But look how hard time these Nadal fans have accepting the fact that their's hero is an arrogant prick. They can't get used to the fact that the "Nadal is sooo nice" story is over!
Rafa, arrogant???????? WTF!!???? :wazzup:

PamV
06-10-2006, 01:51 AM
Surely Lopez AND Moya will be rooting for Rafael, no ?

Yes, they are the only two. The rest of the Spaniards want Nadal to lose.

partygirl
06-10-2006, 01:57 AM
Ivan never regrets what he says, and does not give f about what people say about him.
that's why he comes off as a bitch, so its good that he does'nt care...
i think this is why he alienates people, i know its true for me.

Scotso
06-10-2006, 01:59 AM
Yes, they are the only two. The rest of the Spaniards want Nadal to lose.

I don't think so.

Sjengster
06-10-2006, 02:00 AM
I don't think Pam does, either. I assume that was sarcasm on her part....

Lee
06-10-2006, 02:01 AM
I don't think Pam does, either. I assume that was sarcasm on her part....

Ummmmm! That's PamV, I'm not that sure.....

nobama
06-10-2006, 03:44 AM
Yes, they are the only two. The rest of the Spaniards want Nadal to lose.How would you know?

admiralpye
06-10-2006, 03:48 AM
I think there are a lot of players pulling for Roger, other for Rafa, and some who just don't give a damn...........

Lol! Well said.

shotgun
06-10-2006, 03:52 AM
THe connection between Andy and Raffa is arrogance I suppose, and the difference is I suppose that Andy at least doesn't hide it

But look how hard time these Nadal fans have accepting the fact that their's hero is an arrogant prick. They can't get used to the fact that the "Nadal is sooo nice" story is over!

Nadal, arrogant? :lol:

Nadal is probably the guy who most frequently employs false modesty out of the whole tour.

admiralpye
06-10-2006, 03:57 AM
I think all these things will only work for Nadal's benefit. He performs better as an underdog anyway, than as a favorite.

He had lots of chances to answer back to Ljubicic, but he didn't. I think he was taking the high road, no, much like Roger's fans say that Roger is doing?

And I noticed he minimized his fist pumps and vamoses even more during the match with Ljubo. He comes across as someone who doesn't enjoy offending anyone.

And he even called Ljubo's serve good, after there was some doubts as to whether is went in or not. He told the umpire it was in and the umpire didn't have to check it anymore. After what Ljubo has been saying, I thought that was classy of Nadal.

J. Corwin
06-10-2006, 04:58 AM
He should be a Rogaine or Miracle Gro spokesperson. How did he bag such a beautiful wife? :ras:

Jimena
06-10-2006, 05:01 AM
Nadal^s answer to the reporter concerning Ivan^s comments shows him to be more mature than Ivan, who comes accross as a teenaged sore loser. When has Nadal ever displayed arrogance?
With his on court behavior?

Mind you, I'm not on the Nadal hate train. But he's no saint. None of the players are.

I think all these things will only work for Nadal's benefit. He performs better as an underdog anyway, than as a favorite.
Nadal's the heavy, and I do mean HEAVY, favorite on Sunday, regardless of this Ljubicic issue. Nothing the players say can change that.

Scotso
06-10-2006, 05:07 AM
He should be a Rogaine or Miracle Gro spokesperson. How did he bag such a beautiful wife? :ras:
$$$$$$

eddie_hyden
06-10-2006, 05:11 AM
Most just want to see History made. They all say how likeable Roger is and surely that enters in to it.

what history? get the calender year slam?? well lots of ppl achieve that before.. and he's a long way to go to surpass rod laver records...

Chloe le Bopper
06-10-2006, 05:13 AM
Holy shit. Was PamV just funny? On purpose? I wasn't aware that this could happen.

Skyward
06-10-2006, 05:28 AM
what history? get the calender year slam?? well lots of ppl achieve that before.. .

Who?

Chloe le Bopper
06-10-2006, 05:31 AM
Who?
lol, how did I miss that line?

admiralpye
06-10-2006, 06:15 AM
Nadal's the heavy, and I do mean HEAVY, favorite on Sunday, regardless of this Ljubicic issue. Nothing the players say can change that.

Then I guess people better make up their minds here at MTF. Either he's a favorite or not. But from the posts here, looks like the heavy favorite is Roger :)

El Legenda
06-10-2006, 06:23 AM
$$$$$$

wrong. His wife, has been with him since they were in 8th grade, and she is currently working to be judge, she is a lawyer and her parents are LOADED.

so the $$$$ is bs

next time check up on stuff before you talk about of your ass

mandoura
06-10-2006, 06:54 AM
A couple of years ago he said the whole locker room wanted him to beat Andy. And today, on the BBC: "I would love to see Roger winning," he said. "Everyone in the locker room would."

I've never figured out why it is that the locker room confides in him all the time. Must be that heroic bald pate. Anyhow, if those in the locker room really hate Andy and rafa, maybe they should step out and say it.
Or is "locker room " Ivan's euphemism for the voices in his head?

I don't see why or how rooting for one guy automatically means you hate the other. :shrug:

As well said before, some are rooting for Roger because they want him to get his Grand Slam, some are rooting for Rafa because they want him to continue his winning streak. It doesn't necessarily mean it's because they hate the other guy. :)

El Legenda
06-10-2006, 07:05 AM
I don't see why or how rooting for one guy automatically means you hate the other. :shrug:

As well said before, some are rooting for Roger because they want him to get his Grand Slam, some are rooting for Rafa because they want him to continue his winning streak. It doesn't necessarily mean it's because they hate the other guy. :)

dont try making sense, these people are :retard:

:hug:

mandoura
06-10-2006, 07:05 AM
wrong. His wife, has been with him since they were in 8th grade, and she is currently working to be judge, she is a lawyer and her parents are LOADED.

so the $$$$ is bs

next time check up on stuff before you talk about of your ass

Yes Ducky. I am with you on this one. It was not the money. I saw a clip about both of them and he said they go a long way back, they were good friends before they started dating and got thru very difficult/rough time together. They make a very warm couple.

El Legenda
06-10-2006, 07:07 AM
Yes Ducky. I am with you on this one. It was not the money. I saw a clip about both of them and he said they go a long way back, they were good friends before they started dating and got thru very difficult/rough time together. They make a very warm couple.

money does not keep people together for 10 years. :)

mandoura
06-10-2006, 07:10 AM
money does not keep people together for 10 years. :)

Yes.

doublebackhand
06-10-2006, 07:26 AM
money does not keep people together for 10 years. :)

no, money keeps people together until the rich one dies and the other one gets all of it.

El Legenda
06-10-2006, 07:29 AM
no, money keeps people together until the rich one dies and the other one gets all of it.

well not in their case, unless his wife had some special power at age 13 to see in future that Ivan would be loaded.
also they are both rich, Ivan from tennis and family business,Aida's parents and she is quite successful herself.

Castafiore
06-10-2006, 09:51 AM
And he even called Ljubo's serve good, after there was some doubts as to whether is went in or not. He told the umpire it was in and the umpire didn't have to check it anymore. After what Ljubo has been saying, I thought that was classy of Nadal.
oh, I'm glad somebody mentions this.

Listen, Nadal is usually looking to get the upper hand, not only in the game itself but also from a mental point of view but he's usually very fair towards his opponent and he showed it again yesterday.
I really don't think (but yes, I'm only guessing) that he takes his time to annoy his opponents (as a mind game, so to speak) but he takes it to help himself with his concentration.

Some people were annoyed with Djokovic for bouncing that ball for so long. Well, if it helps him to concentrate, let him...

MariaV
06-10-2006, 12:09 PM
I counted Djoko's ball bouncing vs Rafa, once it was 17!!!!!!! Usually ard 13-14 bounces and it takes A LOT more time that Rafa does. Why doesn't Ivan explain that to his younger mate he's training with and admires so much. I found Djoko's ball bouncing a LOT more annoying than Rafa.

Chocobo
06-10-2006, 01:58 PM
Well, maybe it wasn't very nice of Ljubo to say this, but after all it's only the truth.

Just have a look at their opponents interviews this week: all opponents of Federer said they were impressed by his game and attitude and that he's an incredible player, and every single opponent of Rafa complained either about his attitude (PHM: "he's borderline agressive", Ljubicic: "He's getting on my nerves") and/or said that he's game isn't that impressive (Soderling, Djokovic, Ljubicic) or is boring (K. Kim said that playing against him is like being in a desert with no ending or something; and I recall Monfils said something similar in Rome). Federer himself complained about him being coached in Rome!

So would someone really make believe that Rafa is the most appreciated player on tour?

When you add to this that most of the players probably want Roger to do the Slam, because of it's signification in tennis history (At their handshake, Nalbandian said to Roger "Good luck, I hope you'll win the slam this year"), I think indeed most of the locker-room REALLY want Roger to win this match.

So I wonder why Ljubo gets all this bashing just for saying it aloud?

Castafiore
06-10-2006, 03:31 PM
Ljubicic has every right to give his opinion but you're not really fair to back him by just mentioning all the criticism you can come up with, take quotes (like the Mathieu one) totally out of context and then come to the conclusion...voilà, Ivan is only telling the truth, get off his back.

There were plenty of great things other players said about Rafa but it suits you better to just leave that out?
If you want to talk about the truth...try looking at both sides of every story and even then...it's a bit too easy to sit here behind your computer, not knowing any of these players personally and judge them like that.

star
06-10-2006, 03:53 PM
Also, it's very immature to back up your opinion with an "everybody thinks so."

Ivan wanted to say something negative about Nadal, and didn't feel comfortable being out there on his own saying it, so he brought the rest of the locker room in on it It's exactly what he did when he wanted to say something negative about Andy. He had to say the whole locker room agreed with him. You'd think Ivan would be beyond that sort of juvenile behavior. "I don't like you, and nobody else does either."

El Legenda
06-10-2006, 03:56 PM
Also, it's very immature to back up your opinion with an "everybody thinks so."

Ivan wanted to say something negative about Nadal, and didn't feel comfortable being out there on his own saying it, so he brought the rest of the locker room in on it It's exactly what he did when he wanted to say something negative about Andy. He had to say the whole locker room agreed with him. You'd think Ivan would be beyond that sort of juvenile behavior. "I don't like you, and nobody else does either."

there was 3 other players in the locker room. Ivan, Roger, David and Nadal.
whats so bad about wanting Roger to win?

MariaV
06-10-2006, 03:59 PM
Well, maybe it wasn't very nice of Ljubo to say this, but after all it's only the truth.

Just have a look at their opponents interviews this week: all opponents of Federer said they were impressed by his game and attitude and that he's an incredible player, and every single opponent of Rafa complained either about his attitude (PHM: "he's borderline agressive", Ljubicic: "He's getting on my nerves") and/or said that he's game isn't that impressive (Soderling, Djokovic, Ljubicic) or is boring (K. Kim said that playing against him is like being in a desert with no ending or something; and I recall Monfils said something similar in Rome). Federer himself complained about him being coached in Rome!

So would someone really make believe that Rafa is the most appreciated player on tour?

When you add to this that most of the players probably want Roger to do the Slam, because of it's signification in tennis history (At their handshake, Nalbandian said to Roger "Good luck, I hope you'll win the slam this year"), I think indeed most of the locker-room REALLY want Roger to win this match.

So I wonder why Ljubo gets all this bashing just for saying it aloud?

OK I don't want to make a big issue out of it but I am really intirgued by one thing - if EVERYONE (except Rafa of course) wants Fed to have the Grand Slam, then aren't they a bit ashamed that they themselves are totally in the shadow of Fed in this 'magnificent' Fed era? A top athlete is supposed to be competitive but I haven't seen any competitive spirit vs Fed except a bit from Haas and Kiefer at AO (and as they lost this doesn't count much either) this year. They've all lost before stepping on court. Is it because they know they ALL suck and cannot reach Fed's level ever?
With Rafa it's different as they still cannot figure him out, they SEEM to have even some advantage but Rafa is still the winner in the end so they get frustrated. But with Fed it seems they've all conceded that his the almighty God and none-one (except Rafa) has absolutely no chance. So don't they look like a bunch of losers?
It doesn't really look like anyone except Rafa can beat Fed this year (if Fed himself doesn't give away a match). So what does it tell about the rest of the bunch? All this talk about less depth doesn't seem all that ridiculous any more.

MariaV
06-10-2006, 04:03 PM
Also, it's very immature to back up your opinion with an "everybody thinks so."

Ivan wanted to say something negative about Nadal, and didn't feel comfortable being out there on his own saying it, so he brought the rest of the locker room in on it It's exactly what he did when he wanted to say something negative about Andy. He had to say the whole locker room agreed with him. You'd think Ivan would be beyond that sort of juvenile behavior. "I don't like you, and nobody else does either."
You know especially at the age of 27 one should know better but then again some people never grow up.

star
06-10-2006, 04:06 PM
there was 3 other players in the locker room. Ivan, Roger, David and Nadal.
whats so bad about wanting Roger to win?

There's nothing wrong with wanting Roger to win, and there was nothing wrong with him saying he wanted Roger to win.

star
06-10-2006, 04:08 PM
Yep. Maybe some players who would not normally care are pulling for Roger because of the career slam aspect, which has nothing to do with Rafa.

Yes, and I think it gives them an excuse for doing so poorly when they play Roger --- Oh, he's the greatest ever so I couldn't possibly win against him.

The whole tour (minus Rafa) needs to get some cojones.

MariaV
06-10-2006, 04:10 PM
Yes, and I think it gives them an excuse for doing so poorly when they play Roger --- Oh, he's the greatest ever so I couldn't possibly win against him.

The whole tour (minus Rafa) needs to get some cojones.
That's excatly what I was saying.

hitchhiker
06-10-2006, 04:12 PM
here is what all the fuss is about

Q. Do you have an opinion about what may happen in the final on Sunday, and do you care who wins?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, I would love to see Roger win it. I think everybody will because it would be nice. He is the best player probably ever in tennis and it would be, I think, nice to see him lifting the trophy here.

lol

theres multiple ways of interpreting that

star
06-10-2006, 04:12 PM
That's excatly what I was saying.

I know. :kiss: I thought I'd say it again. :) :) :)

hitchhiker
06-10-2006, 04:15 PM
Ljubicic has every right to give his opinion but you're not really fair to back him by just mentioning all the criticism you can come up with, take quotes (like the Mathieu one) totally out of context

out of context. funny you should mention that

Castafiore
06-10-2006, 04:17 PM
out of context. funny you should mention that
care to explain yourself?

Edit: you mean the quote Mandoura is so kind to repeat underneath?

I agree that it's a quote that you could interprete in more than one way. As I said before, I think that many players would like Federer to get his Roger slam. Maybe we don't need to look to far into what he says.

mandoura
06-10-2006, 04:18 PM
here is what all the fuss is about

Q. Do you have an opinion about what may happen in the final on Sunday, and do you care who wins?
IVAN LJUBICIC: Well, I would love to see Roger win it. I think everybody will because it would be nice. He is the best player probably ever in tennis and it would be, I think, nice to see him lifting the trophy here.

lol

theres multiple ways of interpreting that

Yes.

hitchhiker
06-10-2006, 04:20 PM
care to explain yourself?

i think a lot of people took ivans comments out of context without having a look at the full question & answer and are reading way to much into it.

Castafiore
06-10-2006, 04:23 PM
i think a lot of people took ivans comments out of context without having a look at the full question & answer and are reading way to much into it.
Yes, I agree.

A lot of these journalists like to do that as well. Take one quote from the press conference of the opponent and throw it in the face of the player (spicing up the quote a bit) but a lot of that happens in MTF as well so it's difficult to blame the journalists for that.

mandoura
06-10-2006, 04:25 PM
i think a lot of people took ivans comments out of context without having a look at the full question & answer and are reading way to much into it.

Thank you for pointing that out.

I did in another thread but ... :shrug:

The main thing is, hopefully, this will put Ivan's words back into context, maybe. :)

El Legenda
06-10-2006, 04:26 PM
:lol: i never thought hitch would be somewhat supporting Ivan and making other people look like idiots :lol: :yeah:

star
06-10-2006, 04:27 PM
Well, I got the context. "I would love to see Roger win it. I think everybody will...."

Why does he need to bring "everybody" into it? That's my point.

El Legenda
06-10-2006, 04:28 PM
Well, I got the context. "I would love to see Roger win it. I think everybody will...."

Why does he need to bring "everybody" into it? That's my point.
when he say everybody, do you think he is talking about all the players?

MariaV
06-10-2006, 04:30 PM
when he say everybody, do you think he is talking about all the players?
Erm, I don't know what else 'everybody' could mean? It doesn't mean 'some of the players'. :)

star
06-10-2006, 04:36 PM
ummm Everybody means everybody. Todos. All of the bodies. Me body and you body. So, it neccessarily has to include all the players, as well as everyone esle.

El Legenda
06-10-2006, 04:38 PM
ummm Everybody means everybody. Todos. All of the bodies. Me body and you body. So, it neccessarily has to include all the players, as well as everyone esle.

so you think Nadal wants Roger to win?

Argenbrit
06-10-2006, 05:00 PM
ummm Everybody means everybody. Todos. All of the bodies. Me body and you body. So, it neccessarily has to include all the players, as well as everyone esle.

I don't think Nadal's hardcore fans and family want Roger to win.

I don't really care. I want to see the rest of the ATP tour playing a part again. It's great to be ignored lately.

Jimena
06-10-2006, 05:30 PM
ummm Everybody means everybody. Todos. All of the bodies. Me body and you body. So, it neccessarily has to include all the players, as well as everyone esle.
And sometimes "everybody" is just a figure of speech. Sometimes it just means that a lot of people would like such and such. It's not meant to be taken literally. As usual, this is a tempest in a teacup in GM.

nobama
06-10-2006, 05:42 PM
Erm, I don't know what else 'everybody' could mean? It doesn't mean 'some of the players'. :)It's a figure of speech. I don't think he meant it literally.

NYCtennisfan
06-10-2006, 05:49 PM
And sometimes "everybody" is just a figure of speech. Sometimes it just means that a lot of people would like such and such. It's not meant to be taken literally. As usual, this is a tempest in a teacup in GM.

Yep.

Chocobo
06-10-2006, 05:51 PM
Ljubicic has every right to give his opinion but you're not really fair to back him by just mentioning all the criticism you can come up with, take quotes (like the Mathieu one) totally out of context and then come to the conclusion...voilà, Ivan is only telling the truth, get off his back.

There were plenty of great things other players said about Rafa but it suits you better to just leave that out?
If you want to talk about the truth...try looking at both sides of every story and even then...it's a bit too easy to sit here behind your computer, not knowing any of these players personally and judge them like that.

Hum...when you see how Ivan is litteraly demolished all this thread long, I wonder how you came to the conclusion that I was the one "judging" the players (which players have I judged, btw?), by taking quotes "out of context" :rolleyes:

I've just pointed that, when you read the players interviews (which indeed is the only fact I rely upon, I'm not friend with any of them :p ), it is obvious that most of them are clearly admirative of Roger, while Rafa is generally more controversial especially by his attitude, but also his game.

-Being "borderline agressive" in the lockerroom before a match,
-Taking to much time between the points,
-Being coached during the matchs,
-Being arrogant with his "in your face" antics on court...
-Having a one-dimensional game
Would you purport that all these arguments about Nadal were started by me or anyone on a message board? No...they were started by fellow players...

hitchhiker
06-10-2006, 06:01 PM
ummm Everybody means everybody. Todos. All of the bodies. Me body and you body. So, it neccessarily has to include all the players, as well as everyone esle.

he could mean that everyone who has anything to do with tennis will be able to appreciate what federer achieved if he wins(even those supporting nadal). who knows how many decades before someone wins 4 slams in a row again.

almouchie
06-10-2006, 06:02 PM
I just think its jealousy from some players/fans
Federer comes across as a nice guy, which he is
like one expert said everything that federer does is meticulously calculated & thought of
he has been long in the game enough to know how things go, alreay had his antics, & bad times. players know that as well
as for nadal he came as an 18 years made waves & continues to produce even better results
he is his one self, a little different & unique, as Roddick, agassi was
& yet a lot seem to find things about him to their disliking
nobody can be loved/liked by everybody
Ljubo is generally a good player & person
he came into the match with nadal with preconcieved ideas & definition of nadal
which only added to that during the match
just like hewitt footfaults a lot & get angry at ref
nadal takes a while between points, he has been warned & will probably continue to be warned
it is something he has been unsed to & will take time for him to speed up between points
I have seen Monfils, & his antics are much muhc worse on court & look like a fist in-ur-face rather than just annoying
rafa was pretty reserved during his semis & ogt pumped late on

almouchie
06-10-2006, 06:04 PM
by the way i am just taking a wild assumption about
'I just think its jealousy from some players/fans'
dont bite my head off
:)

liisa
06-10-2006, 06:09 PM
by the way i am just taking a wild assumption about
'I just think its jealousy from some players/fans'
dont bite my head off
:)


of course it's JEALOUSY! Why even debate?

pathetic jerks (other players,oc)

Castafiore
06-10-2006, 06:35 PM
Hum...when you see how Ivan is litteraly demolished all this thread long, I wonder how you came to the conclusion that I was the one "judging" the players (which players have I judged, btw?), by taking quotes "out of context" :rolleyes:

I've just pointed that, when you read the players interviews (which indeed is the only fact I rely upon, I'm not friend with any of them :p ), it is obvious that most of them are clearly admirative of Roger, while Rafa is generally more controversial especially by his attitude, but also his game.
...
Litteraly demolished? Ouch. Any pictures of that?
You mean figuratively, right?

I'm not going to argue with you point for point because...well, I don't see the point really. ;)
Just one thing. You're French so I assume that you heard/read Mathieu's comments in his own language. I have as well, so there's no risk of anything being lost in translation, right? Well - and this is just my interpretation of course - I really didn't see Paulo's comments as negative criticism, though. Reading quite a few interviews with Paulo never really gave me the idea. :shrug:

Roger's climb to the top has been more gradual. People have seen him grow into the maestro. People had more time to get used to his skills and talents.
Rafa has pretty much rocket launched himself to the top at a young age. The confrontation is bigger.
Roger's attitude is generally more reserved. He keeps most of his emotions on the inside (most of the time, that is).
Rafa may be shy off court but once he steps on that court, he's ready to do battle and there's no trace of that shyness. He throws his intensity and his emotions out there for everybody to see so I find it logical that this triggers more reactions. It doesn't surprise me. Just like it doesn't surprise me that Hewitt attracks more controversy. He's also a player who doesn't lock up his emotions. (there's a reason why these two belong to my group of favorite players: I love the intensity they bring to the game)

However, reading interviews of many players, ex-pros, commentators,...I do believe that Rafa is - generally speaking - respected and well liked by most players.

Finally, it's been repeated time and time again. What Roger could do tomorrow is amazing and history. Of course many players would want him to accomplish that. It doesn't mean that people are supporting AGAINST Rafa.
David Nalbandian for example commented that he would like Roger to get his Roger Slam but David gets along with Rafa really well so I don't think it's a matter of being against Rafa in this case.
Ivan...well, he was just frustrated during the match and after the match. He'll get over it. You need a lot of patience to excel on clay and you need a lot of patience against Rafael Nadal. He didn't have enough of it. Ivan prefers to play fast (fast serve, quick points). He did very well by reaching the SF but he'll have to work on his patience. Clay court tennis is mentally very tough.

star
06-10-2006, 06:43 PM
I like Nadal's emotion. I like that he draws the spectator in and makes him care.

But the best thing about Nadal, and something that Federer fans should like too, is that Nadal makes Federer play at a very high level all during a match.

Chocobo
06-10-2006, 06:44 PM
Litteraly demolished? Ouch. Any pictures of that?
You mean figuratively, right?


What's wrong with "litterally"? Isn't that an expression in English? :confused:

Well anyway, I see you understood the meaning ;)

star
06-10-2006, 06:45 PM
Oh, and just because I think I haven't said it, I have a lot of respect for Ivan. I respect his work ethic and his determination. The only thing I don't like about him is the sour remarks he makes after a loss.

Chocobo
06-10-2006, 06:46 PM
of course it's JEALOUSY! Why even debate?

pathetic jerks (other players,oc)

:haha:

star
06-10-2006, 06:48 PM
What's wrong with "litterally"? Isn't that an expression in English? :confused:

Well anyway, I see you understood the meaning ;)

litterally means it actually happened. so if you say Ivan was litteraly demolished it means he is in little peices somewhere.

He was litterally falling on the floor.... means he was falling on the floor actually, and you aren't just saying something hyperbolic.

Castafiore
06-10-2006, 06:49 PM
Well anyway, I see you understood the meaning ;)
Yes, I did. :)
I'm not exactly sure if it's the correct use of the expression in English (since English isn't my first language) but I do know it's not correct in my language but...it doesn't matter. It's not as if I write without mistakes so no offence, ok?

Chocobo
06-10-2006, 07:00 PM
Yes, I did. :)
I'm not exactly sure if it's the correct use of the expression in English (since English isn't my first language) but I do know it's not correct in my language but...it doesn't matter. It's not as if I write without mistakes so no offence, ok?

No problem :)

"star" explanation was very clear actually.

Bagelicious
06-10-2006, 07:04 PM
What's wrong with "litterally"? Isn't that an expression in English? :confused:

Well anyway, I see you understood the meaning ;)

The first few pages is about people taking Ivan's words literally when they are meant figuratively.

Literally is an expression you use when you mean that something actually happened. Like after an earthquake you could say 'the house literally fell down around my ears' because the house actually fell down.

So if you say 'literally demolished' it means 'actually demolished'. Like Ivan is has actually been destroyed and torn apart in this thread (I think I saw RaDiCaLgIrL running off with a leg).

In this case the word 'destroyed' is meant figuratively because you don't actually mean that Ivan has been physically and emotionally destroyed by this thread in real life. It's a figure of speech because you see the anti-Ljubo sentiment in this thread as destroying him. You're using that word to describe something that you feel, not something that has actually happened.



Sorry for the english lesson guys, it's a pet peeve of mine. A lot of people (even people who only speak English) use the word literally when they mean figuratively. Paging deb's signature, I repeat paging deb's signature.

Edit: Well star beat me to it, and in only 2 sentences too. Anyway, I leave my post as an alternative explanation.

star
06-10-2006, 07:07 PM
No problem :)

"star" explanation was very clear actually.

:hatoff: Thanks. :)

ExpectedWinner
06-10-2006, 07:22 PM
One thing is certain: Ivan doesn't spend 25 hours on an obscure public forum discussing who said what on their third language. :p

MariaV
06-10-2006, 07:43 PM
It's a figure of speech. I don't think he meant it literally.
But that's what he said, isn't it? It's a FACT - that he said it, the word 'EVERYBODY'. And we've cleared the meaning of the word hopefully. :)
And it's also a fact that it's a LIE, because as Ducky pointed out, I think at least Rafa DOES NOT want him to win. Or maybe he does so he'll give the title to Rogi tomorrow. We'll see. :D
OK OK, if we're into linguistics now, let's not call it a LIE what Ivan said, let's call it NOT TRUE. :D

MariaV
06-10-2006, 07:45 PM
i think a lot of people took ivans comments out of context without having a look at the full question & answer and are reading way to much into it.
I don't see anything out of context in this case. There is a question and there is an answer everyone can read. All here. :D

Lee
06-10-2006, 11:20 PM
So according to MTF English Dictionary:

Literally also mean figuratively
Everybody also mean somebody, anybody or just one peron

:rolleyes: